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in the uk we have had two right wing female primeministers but im not citing that as a means to disprove your theory... what i will say though is that as far as parliamentary numbers go its the left that promote equality and the right tend to protect capitalism and their corporate friends so maybe it has more to do with the old order than actual people in the street and what they think
While I am a registered independent, republican issues tend to focus on issues more beneficial to men for instance gun laws while democratic issues are more beneficial to women, namely, control of their own bodies.
gun laws benefit men?
NRA members are 60% men
There are a lot of gun owners that aren't NRA members
and there are a lot of men who are democrats. Whats your point?
If anything I would argue that intrinsically guns benefit women more than men obviously because when used for protection they neutralize strength differences.
@cavmanier intrinsically, you'd be mistaken. Another statistic to add credence to my point. 89% of hunters in the US are men.
I'm not sure if I use the word correctly. I think I did but what I meant was there is the same inherent value women can get from guns that a man can. Both sexes are of course freely allowed to hunt if there want. I was saying that guns are more valuable for women for protection. Guns are more valuable for women for hunting as well because naturally women aren't going to be as good of a hunter as a male.
So what I'm saying is that guns neutralize the skill gap in these activities. I'm not saying that more women use guns. So therefore I would say there are more intrinsically useful for women if that makes sense.
It would be like saying a car is more useful for a big fat person to get to the grocery store with then a Olympic runner 😂 because big fat people can't walk as well. Guns will help women hunt better (because on average they can't hunt as well) and help them defend themselves better (because on average most can't defend themselves as well).
@cavmanier but a big fat person walking could still be run over and killed by a car...
To put it more succinctly, over half of female victims of intimate partner homicide in the US are killed with a gun.
"but a big fat person walking could still be run over and killed by a car..."
I'm not talking about being ran over by a car. I'm talking about a car is more useful for some people than others. A gun is more useful for a girl when it comes to protection and the same with hunting really.
"half of female victims of intimate partner homicide in the US are killed with a gun."
Well yeah homicide victims are usually killed with guns. People usually prefer guns over knives or bricks. The trick is to not marry a crazy macho tough-guy. Marry a guy with some brains and empathy.
@cavmanier So a gun would be more useful to a small weak man than a big, tall strong man. Got it. You are going off on a completely unrelated tangent to the askers question and my subsequent opinion/answer to his question and quite frankly, some of your commentary is degrading/discrediting of womens ability to protect themselves or hunt (?) As if a man would find it less beneficial to use a gun while hunting bears. LOL. There are all sorts of reasons why a man or a woman would want to have a gun but the statistics prove that more men have them, are interested in them and use them.
Wow you're stressed huh. I guess I shouldn't talk to people about these things online. I'm not trying to fight.
"So a gun would be more useful to a small weak man than a big, tall strong man"
Yes of course. That's not meant to be sexist. It's a fact that men are more developed to fight and hunt. I'm sorry for being a chauvinist lol. It's just a fact though.
This is not unrelated to what you said. You said laws supporting gun rights is more beneficial for men and technically I think you're incorrect about that based on what I said.
"As if a man would find it less beneficial to use a gun while hunting bears"
I was talking about self-defense and you are the one that brought up hunting. Of course gender wouldn't matter when it comes to bears but bears are not a big part of hunting. Having a gun would benefit women when hunting in general more than a man because a man has more physical quickness and strength. Sorry for being chauvinistic again lol. Facts are facts though.
You're probably right about more men having guns. That's cool. So if you look at it in the sense of a aggregate utilitarian view and you are right there. I was thinking of based on benefits to individuals which I tend to do because I prefer a person having their own agency and not worrying about what other people are doing.
@SarahsSummer
If anything, I do believe that women benefit more firearm ownership than men in a few ways, but perhaps the one that is most noticeable is self defense against sexual assault or rape. The average man is stronger than the average women, and even the world’s strongest woman is ions away from the strength of the world’s strongest man. The physical disparity is such that women shouldn’t opt to go hands on with a man who is attacking her unless she has no other options. If anything a gun gives a woman MORE independent don’t you think? She doesn’t have to rely on anyone but herself to defend her well being, her friends, her children, etc. She doesn’t have to rely on her boyfriend, husband, or any other man.
@EmbraceThePain And caveman (apt username) what is wrong with you people? The asker asks why men are more likely to be republican and women Democrats. I laid out one reasoning. More men own guns Than women, a fact I laid out, more men than women hunt, a fact that I laid out, more men than women are in the NRA, a fact that I laid out. Republicans support guns and the NRA. It’s one pretty simple connection to what the asker is stating. Your philosophies on guns being more beneficial to women is completely irrelevant to the question asked.
@SarahsSummer
Well, you mentioned that republicans tend to focus on issues beneficial to men, specifically guns and gun laws, but perhaps you don’t see how this law or issue is greatly beneficial to women, in more important ways than simply owning guns, hunting, etc. It gives women an edge in the survival or self defense realm, so what I’m getting at is the notion that limiting this right or creating more restrictive gun laws can have a disparate impact on women in a significant way, arguably more important than any reason why a man would need a gun.
Because I think guns enable more power in a woman than a man. I agree that guns are more of a "guy issue" in the sense that more guys care about gun laws. I was talking about intrinsically that guns have the ability to help women more than men. I like to look beyond the surface on things.
"Your philosophies on guns being more beneficial to women is completely irrelevant to the question asked."
But I was replying to you saying "more beneficial to men for instance gun laws."
Gun laws are more for men in a aggregate way but guns help women more in the individual sense so we both make sense in different ways.
@EmbraceThePain
Agreed. My moms' place would broken into while she was there and the next day she went and bought a gun to protect herself. She was more vulnerable to fight off the criminal than a man. I know I'm so sexist for believing in facts. I need my feminist altered reality cap.
@cavmanier
Yes, also, who do think is more significantly affected by restrictive gun laws? Most likely the poor and women. The poor are more likely to be disproportionately located in more criminogenic areas, where gun violence, drugs, and all sorts of crime and disorder occur. The need for taking protection into one’s hands is paramount in these environments. Also, for women, sexual crimes are gendered, where women are the victims and men the perpetrators. Common sense can go a long way, but when self defense and protection are considered, women will not beat men in any hand to hand altercation. Careful training and usage of firearms is truly the greatest equalizer.
@EmbraceThePain
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Yeah but I heard all you have to do is make guns illegal and no one will shoot each other. Therefore no one needs a gun for protection right?
I don't know how it would all work out but this is one Mexican mans experience living in a country with extremely strict gun laws, where only about 38 guns are sold a day.
@cavmanier
Yes, I’ve heard similar stories like that as well.
In my opinion, and I could be greatly wrong, but I think @SarahsSummer gotten into somewhat of a rut where she’s believes that republican=anti woman, pro man. I think this can stifle proper common sense convos, because you’ve already labeled the other side as malicious or harboring bad intentions. I could be wrong, so @SarahsSummer correct me if I am.
@EmbraceThePain please get off my post. Your noise is completely irrelevant to the subject. I’ve stated facts and your are stating feelings.
@SarahsSummer
Your stats may be technically right, but just because you throw around random factually correct gun stats, doesn’t mean you’re proving your point. I didn’t appeal to feeling, rather, reality.
@cavmanier
I’m being sent away... g-g-goodbye
@EmbraceThePain I agree with the asker and statistics also prove his thesis to be correct, my addition is an undisputed reason why more men are CURRENTLY republican. As I stated initially, I’m a registered independent. Which to me give me the freedom to pick and choose the issues closest to me and vote according instead of towing the party line. In no way have I once said republican = anti woman. If you are looking to argue that point seek it elsewhere.
@EmbraceThePain There are happier places to be in the world my friend 😂😂
"democratic issues are more beneficial to women, namely, control of their own bodies"
Ehh fetuses are not a part of a womans' body. They obviously have separably functioning dna. They are connected to or supported by the womans' body. When we have functioning baby incubators (if we don't already), fetuses will not be considered part of the incubator. I'm a pro choice independent but I still be in facts.
@cavmanier ok. So now I get it. Complaining about the pro choice movement but stating you are pro choice. You’re just here to create arguments, lonely maybe? I’ve asked nicely to step off but apparently you are incapable. Your noise is well, just noise. So it’s block time. Please fuck off.
Women as a demographic do not pay taxes, they consume more tax dollars than they pay and men make up the difference. This has been the case for as long as humans have been a thing, men create resources and society redistributes it towards women (who have and bear the children) through collectivization in primitive societies, then marriage, and now taxes. The right wing opposes taxes (also known as theft at gunpoint) in favor of marriage to get resources to women because marriage also benefits men. The left told women to vote for them and in exchange they could have men's resources without having to marry them.
I think that is a simplistic way of looking at things.
Young single women who believe the government will protect and provide for them tend to be liberal.
Married women with children who go to church tend to be conservative.
The very most conservative people I know are women.
The very most liberal people I know are women.
Traditionally, culturally, biologically, whatever, men are more physical and Earth-bound, women are more aloof and psychological. People in the latter category have a wider perspective and are usually more empathetic.
People who are materialistic see things in black and white terms. See Trump.
Because men generally tend to think rationally and logically.
Women are more emotional, therefore they're less likely to be influenced by facts & common sense, but instead of more likely to be "bought" by some passionate speaker, no matter how much of a bullshit he's saying.
Man, what a divide in this comment section... I'm glad I don't live in a country where there is only a two party system.
As for the question, some compelling and less compelling arguments (in my own opinion) are made as to how the statement could be true. I don't think I have the facts and statistics to draw an ironclad conclusion. Maybe someone posted some in the comments but I got tired of reading the same things said over and over again which I personally think such a system can cause.
Probably because of social issues appealing to emotions. I agree with some Left stances when it comes to some social issues. But after working hard to get a job, I feel like too much taxes for welfare is rewarding people who aren’t trying hard enough, and taking from people who earned it. I think Republicans make more sense economically.
Women are emotional and the Left uses emotional pleas to get votes. Men are more fact and statistics based and nonsense pleas that purposely tug in the heartstrings do not affect them as much. Left brain vs right brain thought processes are different and men are left brained and women right.
Men think in more objective practical terms while women think more emotionally and on feelings.
so true
Another male with a pink profile
@kim45456 not necessarily. My girlfriend and I had a similar (but still very different) discussion yesterday and she made this point to me during it. Believe it or not, some women are capable of admitting that men are driven more by logical thought and women are driven more by emotional feelings without shame. She doesn't think that's necessarily a bad thing either, but there's a time and a place for each approach, and when you use the wrong approach at the wrong time then THAT'S bad. She's also conservative politically, funny enough.
I also dont think it is a bad thing. But here the opinion giver say it to "degrade" women.
I didn't get that impression at all. She said nothing insulting, unless you're uncomfortable with women being less logical than men.
@kim45456 men only say to solicit an emotional prescribed hysterical response that some highly strung women give but the men who say this usually fragile egos and are easily crushed.
Opinion owner I don't know about the guys you've dealt with, but if I say this it's because I believe it's the truth. Whatever response I get is secondary to that.
Oh sorry then and thanks for the answere @anon
You are right
@kim45456 What Anon said tends to be true. It's nothing personal against women.
women don’t do research and believe whatever they hear.
Assuming your statistics are accurate, I would say that a possible explanation is the difference between the ways that men and women think. Women tend to be more emotional and men more rational. If you examine the platforms of the two parties, then you can see the correlation.
Men tend to think logically or with a pragmatic mindset aimed at long term goals.
Women tend to think emotionally with short-term goals or knee-jerk reactions.
That parallels the Republican and Democratic parties pretty accurately.
Honestly, I think it's because women tend to be more emotional, therefore think more emotionally rather than logically, unlike men.
Many ideas of the left are very emotion-based, whereas many right-wing ideas are more based on logic. I understand that this doesn't apply to all ideas on both sides, but it's typically true for most of them.
It's simple.
Women are more emotional, therefore more likely to be driven to movements or statements which look positive and generally good, but they sometimes forget to do their logical research and dig more into those things to find out if they're really positive or not.
Men are more logical, before they focus on the nice sugar-coated cover, they're more likely to dig into the whole thing first to know whether they wanna stand behind it or not.
It's probably because right-wing beliefs benefit men more than women, and left-wing beliefs benefit women more.
as a right wing woman i disagree
@J3nny From the research I've done into right-wing politics it seems to be many of right-wingers believe more in traditional views. Such as women staying home and the men being the breadwinners. They believe in anti-abortion, and while I personally believe women is wrong, I feel like it should be a choice and if you take it away you're taking away a women's right to that choice. That's why I said what I said. I'm from Canada so I don't worry much about politics, right-wing vs left-wing has never really been a thing here. We don't even use a presidential system, so maybe I don't have the personal experience. I'd like to hear what you think so I can become more informed, though.
before i respond i just wanted to commend you on how respectful and open minded you are. i really appreciate your wording and calmness. very rare
@J3nny Thank you, I appreciate yours too.
i don’t disagree with the fact that left wing politics benefit women more. i more disagree that right wing politics benefit men more. abortion isn’t about the woman it’s about the baby. it’s more about morals. i’ve been a republican most my life. yes i was a democrat for a few years. but most of what right winged people believe in are traditional. but i can’t really explain it. i’ve been both but it doesn’t seem that right winged politics benefit men more. yeah they get to be the breadwinner but how is that beneficial? women are more emotional than men and care a lot more about words and feelings but that’s why the left benefits women where as the right doesn’t benefit either more than the other. omg i’m so sorry i feel like i’m making no sense. my brain is all jumbled right now as you can tell 😂 but to sum it up yes to the last part and no i think neither benefit more than the other being right winged
@J3nny I can see where you're coming from and don't worry, you're makings sense lol. I meant benefiting slightly loosely, I was referring to how liberal views tend to have more relaxed laws. Which in response give women more freedom where right-wing laws can take away some of that while giving men more power. Such as the belief that men should be the breadwinner takes away the freedom of them women deciding if she should work or not. Right-wing values can also take away from men too. I work as a psychiatrist and my husband works a government job, when we had children we both took off time when they were born. Canada has much better laws when it comes to time off for family (US laws for that are rather stingy compared to other countries, in New Zealand, you can take up to 245 days off WITH PAY for either sex) as a psychiatrist I could adjust my hours around my children lives (something quite important for me) and my husband wanted to do the same but couldn't due to his job restrictions. My husband grew up without his father and his mother was a drug addict who would have physically abusive men around her son and it affected him greatly. My father was around physically but not emotionally due to his work and I would never want my daughter or son to have to grow up with the same relationship that I had with my father and my husband didn't want that too. And if the man is the only one working or makes most of the income it restrains them more - if you choose to work less you get less money and that puts your financial security in trouble which can result in your family's needs not being attended to. Working long hours and more days takes away from time which can make it where you aren't close to your children or don't have a good relationship with them something that is important for growth.
Mind if I screenshot your conversation it’s very interesting
@Stoner710 I don't mind, thank you for asking. I can't speak for @J3nny though.
Thank you I’m a conservative for the most part personally but it’s interesting to see 2 women with different political view talking about issues
What funny is have you ever read the 2 income trap by Elizabeth Warren it’s way different than our political views now
@Stoner710 I haven't read that book, I'll look into it. I believe Elizabeth Warren is running for election in America, yes?
Yup she basically the female Version of Bernie Sanders remember Pocahontas?
Either way it’s about how having two incomes in the family as a trap because there’s not one to raise the children and there’s not one to be the breadwinner now personally I don’t care who the main breadwinner is I want to be a lawyer and a man could be a teacher and obviously the woman is going to be making more money than the man So in that case the man probably should be at home since the lawyer is going to make way more money If there good but it’s very interesting how she’s gone from A right wing ideology to an extreme left wing ideology basically she’s a liar
@Stoner710 Yes I've seen Pocahontas. From what I've heard from my mother Bernie Saunders seems like a nice candidate (my favorite of his being free health care and free college, I wouldn't have gotten a degree without haha).
@Stoner710 After quickly googling the book was wrote in 2004 but published in 2016. A lot can change in that many years, Donald Trump was friends with HIliary Clinton before the 2016 election and regularly gave to her charity foundation and spoke about being a Democrat publically. Some people think his campaign was meant to be a stunt but when he gained followers he decided to go along with it. The evidence is actrually quite interesting and compelling, and that flip-flop thing seems to be very present in American politics. American politics are, well, messy to put it bluntly - that's probably why people from other countries are so astouned by some of the things that come out from elections lol.
Lol my favorite on the left side is yang, with the UBI. Unfortunately universal healthcare doesn’t work out so well we’re talking a week to get a cast for a broken arm. A mix of private and public would be better. Basically an income under 50,000 should getting free healthcare beyond that private healthcare is better
Right I still rather be dealing with US politics then UK at the moment lol
@Stoner710 I'm quite happy with countries political situation haha, Canada is a peaceful place that I feel extremely safe in. As for universal healthcare, I agree with you on the 50,000 income idea. I've been very fortunate to have an upper-middle-class lifestyle, Canadian healthcare is good and affordable but the price has been climbing over the years. I lived in Sweden for about five years and they have the best system for healthcare in the world, in my opinion. While their taxes cost more than ours their culture and lives benefit so much from how their system work that it's not a problem. Then again, Swedes are quite peaceful people too, they even have a celebration in which people do a special dance and sing a song around a decorated stick to celebrate summer. It's called Sma Grodorna and is very entertaining.
@Stoner710 @J3nny I have to bed now. I think my baby is finally going to stay asleep until he needs to be fed again, finger crossed.
I don't think right wing policies supporting men was on purpose though.
Right wing conservatives are very structured in mindset, based off whatever the world's ways were at the height of their influence, which was traditionally God fearing, rural style views.
Gender roles weren't considered bad until later, when the times changed.
In the old times, one income was enough, and house work was a job, not some frilly housewife in a pink dress lol.
Cooking and cleaning was easy compared to the carpentry skills rural women learned keeping their homes up kept. Most women had acres of farmland, tending to herds of cattle, flocks, etc. Women cut wood or gathered heavy stones and materials. Had an array of skills from being able to knit any fucking thing to skinning animals and being small to large business owners of products.
Ever notice how many agricultural, clothing and food brands are embellished by a woman?
Yea we were NOT just sitting at home looking pretty.
Men are built with more stamina for harsher conditions, so logically, what sense would it make for 20 women to work in the mines and produce 1/2 of what 10 men could do, due to physiology?
What sense does it make for a woman lactating, to leave the kids with dad while she goes to blacksmith steel bars for 16 hours?
Righties have a bad rap for lack of understanding why tradition is as it is.
Now the issue is that they aren't really flexible, so that caused oppressive pressures on race and gender.
If the loosen up a bit, and lefties conform a little bit, wed be okay lol
@dancing_in_nebulas I agree I’m on the right mainly because I disagree with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and most of the socialist on the left. I do think life is better when you can rely on one income. Especially when it comes to children in this one like mothers would always threaten wait till your father comes home. I ran into a situation like that today where is some 10-year-old kid asked me for a ride home and I took him straight home. As an analyst I can’t get that shit off my mind simply because I know how dangerous it is to ask a complete stranger for help at that age there’s a lot of creepy ass motherfuckers out there that would easily have kidnapped a the kid and the girl would’ve shown of the dead. Hell kids lucky he’s not dead (unfortunate reality)
Now as a historian in training I try to keep an open mind about politics but haven met people from Eastern Europe during the USSR take over I’m totally against communism and socialism. Women’s right except in 2 instances I believe are exceptions mainly abortion. 2 is if someone is getting paid on commission like sports
@Stoner710
I'm an Anarchist, so for me, the government has no business in personal matters. Not even social ones.
Whether a person follows gender roles or not, doesn't mean a household can't survive. Times are different. Men get depressed working so much, to only be too tired to enjoy their home and family. The cold stoic icon attached to men, was actually a form of depression many miners, steel workers etc, suffered from, along with alcoholism because they worked too much.
The wealthier families in which the wife brought additional revenue, thrived better off than the poorer one income families back in rural era. Hence why in old school movies, the women who grew flowers or knitted clothes were higher in society.
Work is work - be it a paycheck or not - both genders have never really been free of working to maintain a household.
Likewise, dual income families make 2-3x more than single income families, and live with less stress and more luxuries.
The kids also grow up fine.
But that's what I mean about righties being a tad too uptight about life. Life is not black and white always. No politician should be involved in what goes on with someone's body or home.
They are not God.
It is not their duty to play God. All they do is uphold structure so economy can run smooth, so entire countries do not die of poverty, and law enforcement to keep life plausible.
That's the issue both sides have, is continuously crossing that line.
They have put more effort and money into trying to get rid of abortion and trying to build a wall to keep immigrations out as if we don't have an almost 20 trillion dollar debt right now.
That's fucking irresponsible.
Instead of caging children, who is proactively trying to stop our economy from collapsing? Who is making sure there's education not being cut?
Who is helping put people's lives back together after disasters?
Ya know?
women can do whatever they want with their bodies, as long as it doesn't cross over into harming another and abortion does just that.
There are small and irrelevant exceptions that can be dealt with within the first 2 months of pregnancy but if it takes you 20-30 weeks of pregnancy to decide to abort then thats wrong.
abortion limit deadline week 9
@dancing_in_nebulas If you're an anarchist you would be right wing. so far right,
Communism - Socialism (Fascism, Nazism) - Left - Center - Right - Liberty - Anarchy
Women are softer, men stronger. On the streets in my city, you're most likely to see a white woman with a guest from Merkel. I met a girl who met regularly with a guest of Merkel and she tried to get rid of him in the end because in the last dates he went thirsty for her (if you know what I mean). A white man on the other side would not experience that with a Muslim woman.
I’m so confused
You mean politically? It just doesn't make a difference if you are male or female... but you might know more right wing men, than left wing women. But all guys i know are left wing and the girls tend to be slight right. I want to see those statistics If you wouldn't mind
Look out for political polls right here on g@g, the difference is clear to see.
Hmm. A few things. Most right wing views are about controlling sex.
Women have easier access to sex, therefore they can afford to be more liberal about it. This basically explains how feminism works today.
Conservativism works by tripping people up so as to remain in the advantage. If they are losing control, add more constraints and tighten the grip etc.
For the most part I just think conservatives have more to lose. Women only stand to gain.
Because men are more rational and fact based when it comes to decision making. Women are more emotional and the Democratic Party knows it.
Again there is irrationality on both sides (Trump says lots of stupid shit). But in general the left is much much worse. The LGBT townhall last week proved it.