Man gives out free brass knuckles to females because of sex trafficking. Helpful or not helpful?

[Anonymous]

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I really appreciate men like him

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Whoa there’s a lot of sexists on this site

[GuyWannaHelp]

It's the thought that counts, I guess; but this doesn't really do anything. Arguably it raises awareness, but I wonder how much change that is going to inspire.

[Asker]

Women shouldn’t have to deal with men targeting them all the time in the first place.

[_SOARER_]

Thats retarded, women need men in their community to take an active role protecting them, not brass knuckles.

[ThisDudeHere]

How is self defence ever retarded?

[Asker]

Interesting

[boumka]

I know a bunch of women that can kick my ass, and I'm 6'2 200lbs. Women need efficient weapon or training. I don't think rape and violance will stop easily.

[_SOARER_]

@ThisDudeHere by the time they reach into their bag to grab brass knuckles, or pocket, there had is gonna be against the concrete

[_SOARER_]

@boumka I think you are under estimating yourself

[_SOARER_]

*head

[boumka]

I share your point about braces, but you should try to face some trained martial artists, weight and height give only raw power. Not technique.

[Asker]

@_SOARER_ No I think you are underestimating women with that head on the concrete statement.

[_SOARER_]

@boumka I agree women should have self defense training but most women don't get to the point where they can prevent a guy around our size (I am 6'1" 185lbs) from hurting them.

It's why I suggest men around our size protect them instead 😂😊

[_SOARER_]

Trust me, women over estimate themselves all the time.
All I am advocating is that men protect women.
And many women, are significantly smaller and weaker, and don't have the training to stop a possessed man.

[Asker]

Hmm I shouldn’t have gave you MHO. The day women solely rely on men to protect them is the day when our downfall would begin. Y’all are too controlling nowadays. Guns should do the trick.

[ThisDudeHere]

Whether men can defend women better than women themselves is irrelevant to the idea of women having a means of self-defence. You've yet to explain how that is retarded.

[_SOARER_]

@ThisDudeHere that's not what I said. I said giving women brass knuckles is retarded. That's not an effective of way of defending women. It would be much better if women just lived in a community where the men were educated about defending and protecting women.

Also @asker, what are you even talking about, men have defended women from other men for millennia. The basis of civilization is men defending each other. You are being defended by the police, the legal system (institution founded by men) and fire department rn, and you don't realize it.

[Asker]

You’re starting to make yourself seem real ignorant. Men and women both defend men and women. In reality many police do a shit job of protecting people, and many men don’t protect nor help women. Women relying on men to protect them will bring back more sexism no doubt. Don’t want to revert back to the old days. And this guy helping women with brass knuckles isn’t “retarded” at all.

[ThisDudeHere]

In absence of such a community, anything else is, in fact, better and thus not retarded. How is it retarded I still don't get it.

It's like saying that installing some protective features around your hosue to safeguard against theaves is retarded because you should instead be living in a community with no crime - that's blatantly obvious but does not change the fact that you are not in such a community and thus need to install protection.

[_SOARER_]

I never said women shouldn't educate themselves or defend themselves. I just said brass knuckles is a retarded way of going about it.

I am only suggesting that the best way of defending women is to educate men in the same community to protect them. that way in public you always have other men, who are willing and able to defend women.

[_SOARER_]

@ThisDudeHere Again, thats not what I am saying.
I never said all men in a community. I do understand your situation in that case (Not being within a good community) I do agree, self-defense is good, I am not saying its useless. I am also not saying that women shouldn't be educated either.

Also in regards to that security system analogy, I do concur, and thats why most communities in the USA/West have a police force. They are the Security system, for when men and women have a situation which arises where members of their community can't protect each other.

Again, my gripe is not with self-defense but handing strangers something like brass knuckles and thinking you did a good deed or somehow are protecting them.
Especially to prevent something like sex trafficking.

[ThisDudeHere]

I still don't grasp how it's not a good deed. It's like saying that handing out free change is a bad deed because people should be earning their own money.
Technically, sure, they should and likely are earning their own money, but who would turn down free change?

[Stefanie4U]

Yes it's helpful.

[Sweetnessxoxo]

That is sweet

[Sweetnessxoxo]

Thank u for mho

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

This is not really helpful for a couple of reasons:

1. Sex traffickers are unlikely to be unarmed. If you're carrying brass knuckles and they're carrying guns, well you're screwed.

2. Women given free brass knuckles might use these for reasons unrelated to protecting themselves from traffickers. These women could get into fights and use these as weapons. While I'm not in any form or fashion diminishing the problem of sex trafficking, ask yourself, what is more common, women getting kidnapped and sold into sex slavery or (young) women getting into fights? Do we really want to arm these women with something that could potentially result in them hurting other women worse?

3. Sex traffickers are unlikely to work alone. Even if sex traffickers were unarmed, if they wanted to kidnap women, they're likely to travel with more than one person. Not even brass knuckles can fight off a group of men.

4. Sex traffickers are more likely to be more crafty. Not all sex traffickers simply kidnap women and force them against their will. Many gain the trust of women and subdue them when they drop their guard, and the woman might not have enough time to use her brass knuckles. Unfortunately, some women even get trafficked by their own family and they might not see it coming.

5. It fails to mention the young children sold into sex slavery. It's not always grown women that are forced into sex slavery. Much too often, it's usually some little girl that gets kidnapped and trafficked. Little girls, even with brass knuckles, are unlikely to defend themselves and kids shouldn't have them anyway.

I say the best way to protect yourself from sex trafficking is to be wise. First, do not trust strange men. Sure, plenty of good men exist, but as we know, bad ones do too. Don't take any chances trying to determine whether or not a person is good or bad. Don't do things such as getting in a car with any strange man. If you need a ride or something, call a taxi or Uber and make sure it is legit. If you don't have money, call a family member or person you can trust. Second, stay out of prostitution. It's easy that the guys that you serve as a prostitute can kidnap you and force you into sex slavery. There are safer and more honorable ways to make money, girls. Third, never go out alone. If you do, well, make sure to stay in public places. Make sure people are able to witness something bad going down and don't be afraid to ask for help if you feel you need it. Fourth, If you have children, keep an eye on them at all times. Too many sick pedophiles exist out here that view your children as sex objects and gold mines. Always protect your kids.

[front2back]

People who think a majority of women will somehow be able to save themselves using a couple self-defense classes or 3D printed brass knuckles are idiots. Generally most women do not possess the strength, size, or constant training needed to protect themselves from a halfway competent man, as many men already have trouble defending themselves when attacked by hand.
Women need things like tasers, pepper spray, or guns for self-defense, and even then if she doesn't have said tool on her all the time it really doesn't matter. They realized this generations ago as there were specifically marketed firearms just for women and prostitutes that they could use to shoot and then run.
You aren't going to protect yourself against a kidnapper with these rainbow brass knuckles, you'll hit him, he'll sock you up against the face and break your cheekbone, then deliver a blow to your abdomen that will instantly incapacitate you. Now you're in the same position as you would have been otherwise but most likely even more damaged because he got angry. This isn't meant to be a "scary" story, nor is it meant to say men shouldn't care to help protect women, but this is reality. Until we face the cruel reality that women who are victimized rarely escape from it with their fists, nothing will change and we will keep marketing pink brass knuckles.

[YHL6965]

First, brass knuckles are useless if you can't throw a proper punch in the first place, and most people don't know how to properly punch, especially women. Besides, punching is not the only skill that you would need to defend yourself. Furthermore, would you even have time to put it on if someone attacked you by surprise? Second, brass knuckles are illegal in many countries while some better alternatives are available. Third, brass knuckles improve punching by adding weight so I doubt the effectiveness of plastic bass knuckles.

[Roseygirly]

"Especially women" 🤔

[YHL6965]

@Roseygirly Well, it's not out of sexism or something like that it's just that, on average, guys tend to fight more so they tend to acquire or want to acquire the experience to fight properly, more so than women. I'm not saying women can't throw a punch, they can very well do and fight effectively.

All I'm saying is the average woman probably does not know how to throw a proper punch and, coupled with their lower strength on average, they are at a real disadvantage in a fight. That's why I think there are much better alternatives for women.

[Roseygirly]

Youd be suprised how many chicks fight and can throw a punch id think.

[YHL6965]

@Roseygirly I mean a proper, martial art style punch. Anyone can flail their arm but a proper punch is much more effective and powerful.

[Roseygirly]

I think I can throw a mean left hook when I can be assed 😂

[YHL6965]

@Roseygirly I would like to see that to see if it's really a proper punch or if there are things you could improve. Punching is easy but punching properly is hard. Besides, hooks can be dodged or counter fairly easily.

[Roseygirly]

Im one of the toughest going, apart from that midget bitch that once 😅

[YHL6965]

@Roseygirly Yes but, no matter how tough you are, sex traffickers usually attack in numbers and men are stronger on average so I think you would need to be more than tough, unless you are really good at martial arts.

[Asker]

“Especially women” yep definetly a sexist.

[Roseygirly]

Exactly 😂

[YHL6965]

I explained earlier why I said that and I personally think it makes sense. Now, if you have better arguments, let me know, I'm open minded enough to change my point of view.

[Boppy]

From my understanding, the main advantage of brass knuckles is that the rings connect to a loop that rests on the palm. One can punch more with sloppier form and have less chance of hurting their fingers/ knuckles because it transfers the force to the wrist. Palm heel strikes, effectively.
I do think that printed plastic ones would break.

[YHL6965]

@Boppy That only makes it less dangerous for you to punch but that does not fix a punch with no stance or weight transfer for example.

[Boppy]

Alright. I suppose it's more effective to discreetly slip it on, punch unexpectedly, and sprint away? If they are attacking in numbers ambush-style, it would have to be done before the trap is sprung... Not sure if it'd work.

[YHL6965]

@Boppy Sex traffickers use the element of surprise and usually attack an isolated target in numbers. Unless you are an expert martial artist, I don't see how you can get out of this situations without using tools like guns or something like that.

Also, why would you take the time to put brass knuckles discreetly in an attempt to punch someone when you can simply kick them in the groin once and run away? If you really want to punch, aim for the throat but you don't need brass knuckles for that and it's likely that brass knuckles would actually get you in trouble for that legally speaking.

[ImagineSketchy]

Not helpful. He should pass out Mace or tazers. Brass knuckles imply a woman is willing to throw a punch and actually arm herself with something that has to be lined up with fingers.
Hey, they're free though 🤷. I just don't see how exactly most of the females would fare with them.

[Soteris]

So many things wrong with that. First of all if you actually want to stop the problem you do not do it by arming the victims, that just creates an escalation like some of the gun problems in USA. You need to address the actual sex trafficking.

Secondly its even harmful since people who self defense training or weapons often put themselves into more danger than they would otherwise have instead of simply running away resulting in worse results.

[R_Cakes91]

It’s. Self defense tool, doesn’t take self defense classes to figure those out. I think he’s very helpful for doing that and wish more people did

[Soteris]

@R_Cakes91 Again he is not. Ever heard of the "fight or flight" response? Why do you think flight is part of that? Its because it works and in fact its far more effective than fighting. Anything that pushes people more towards fighting than fleeing is going to end up with more victims, this is especially true since the victims are almost always at a large disadvantage to begin with.

[R_Cakes91]

Fight of flight is more of a guys term. Many women don’t have either option, they are overpowered and without a method to defend themselves, they have no hope.. which is why I support brass knuckles

[Asker]

^That’s not true at all.

[R_Cakes91]

To each their own

[Soteris]

@R_Cakes91 Fight or flight is hardwired into almost every animal on earth regardless of gender. Also fleeing is a lot easier than fighting so you do not need to be stronger or even necessarily faster. Having brass knuckles is also not a guarantee to defend yourself, at most you even the odds a bit which are still terrible odds for the victim. For arguments sake even if you get 50% chance of success at defending yourself it is still 50% chance of failure as opposed to an almost guaranteed chance of escaping in almost all situations.

[TremorJay]

It's only helpful to create more awareness around the issue. I wouldn't feel safer with brass knuckles if I had never thrown a punch and I was likely to be up against two or more experienced criminals.

A better solution is to have a concealed firearm and know how to use it. Also carry pepper spray, and/or if you can help it, never walk alone.

[Boppy]

I think it's a bit odd to give only women weapons (it implies that women cannot be traffickers, and that men cannot be victims of crime).

In this particular case, it looks like they're 3D printed. Plastic knuckles seem like they may break apart in a punch or two. I worry that they would only annoy the attacker and not incapacitate them.

[hellionthesagereborn]

would be better to just give them a gun though most sex trafficking uses tricks and such (date rape drugs, a woman to lull them into a sense of security and seem nonthreatening (they found most sex traffickers where actually women (especially in places like asia)) etc.).

[fjh80]

I can't vote one way or the other.
This man's heart seems to be in the right place.

Assuming that the person using brass knuckles knows how to throw a punch, then yes it's a good idea.
Honestly, if there is a risk of human trafficking, giving women brass knuckles is a fine first step, but I think pepper spray, or a pistol would be far more effective.

[berserk945]

They are better options out there than this, also I am leery on how painful they are to the user to be used compared to the person receiving the punches. Pepper spray and ir a taser (not a stun gun) would be easier for her to use.

But I don't think that these should be here only line of defense. If these fail then as long as they are old enough (atleast 21 years of age) then a Concealed firearm would be the final line of defense.

This could be helpful, but there are way better options that don't require physical contact.

[Phoenix98]

Those are plastic not brass and no it's not gonna help them they aren't trained fighters nor do they possess the strength or technique to do anything effective with them. I doubt those women even know the proper way to use brass knuckles.

Not only that but the people who deal with sex trafficking are violent killers usually armed with knives and firearms.

[Corerue]

Plastic kncuckles? Cute but worthless.

Brass knuckles will be more effective... but unless you have a go punch its useless.

I'd rather see free defensive martial arts training instead. Honestly.

[John_Doesnt]

They're real metal knuckles, they just look plastic.

[Corerue]

Oh my bad @John_Doesnt I though j saw like 3D printer lines on them and was like. >.<

[Corerue]

*good punch* my bad there I wish we could edit our opinions some lol

[slatyb]

Women aren't being kidnapped from the streets. They are being lured to the US and other developed countries on a promise of legitimate work, then forced into prostitution. Asian "massage" parlors are notorious for this.

[sapphireruby]

It's better then nothing, thankfully getting kidnapped is really rare and most of use never will. I think a gun would do a lot better or some free martial art classes.

[Asker]

Women and girls being kidnapped is not rare at all.

[sapphireruby]

Not as rare as we may like, but the statistically your likely hood of being kidnapped is going down. and most kidnapping of children is because of custody disputes. The world is not a dangerous as the media would have you believe.

[DWornock]

Those would be completely worthless against a man. Also, in spite of the stupid movies and the media propaganda, there is no sex trafficking in the USA unless the girl is willing. I can't think of any situation where you could sell her body and for her not to ask some guy for help or to ask him to call the police. Not only that; but, aside from the risk of life imprisonment for kidnapping, hiring guards to watch the girls 24/7 would be necessary or they would leave and that would cost too much; especially since there are a huge number of willing girls that would work for a percentage.

[Asker]

You’re a huge fool.

[DWornock]

Since you are the brilliant one, please educate me by explaining where my logic is flawed.

[slatyb]

That's just ignorant. The women are watched and any attempt would be met with violent punishment. Like women in abusive relationships they are afraid. They are unfamiliar with the US legal system and are told that no one will listen to them.

[DWornock]

@slatyb That is how the movies portray it. However, since it is illegal in every state except a few counties in Nevada and heavily regulated there, explain how you can sell their bodies without the police knowing about it.

[slatyb]

They businesses ostensibly offer "massage", but the clients know what is really on offer. There are dozens of "Asian massage" parlors in the Seattle area and it takes effort for law enforcement to bring action against each one. This goes on in cities all over the US. It's not "movies", it's reality. "Happy endings" are offered all over the Seattle area.

[DWornock]

@slatyb That makes sense so if you are explaining how there is prostitution, the police know about it and don't spend much time arresting prostitutes, you have convinced me. I can see that the business owners have plausible deniability. "I didn't know she did that, it violates our policies." So the girl pays a fine and she is back at work the next day. However, you have said nothing that leads me to believe the girls were kidnapped in another country and smuggled into the USA. There is a huge difference between paying small fines for girls that they employ and life in prison.

Every DA and US Attorney would love the publicity of a big kidnapping and trafficking case. They will occasionally arrest a girl and if the state or federal law enforcement believes kidnapping and human smuggling is involved, when the kidnapped and smuggled girl is arrested, she will not have identification and she will not be able to prove that she is a USA citizen. Therefore, she will not pay a fine and be quickly released. Instead she and then others will be held and questioned for a week, a month, or however long it takes and eventually one or more of the girls will talk. Then instead of paying a fine, it is life in prison for the business owners on kidnapping, trafficking, and other federal crimes.

It is just not worth it. The cost of kidnapping, transporting, smuggling, and guarding 24/7, food and housing is about as much if not more than hiring willing girls and paying them a percentage. Certainly, that would be better than almost certainly going to prison for life.

[slatyb]

They aren't kidnapped. They are brought her with a promise of legitimate employment as a housekeeper or otherwise, then put to work as prostitutes.

[DWornock]

@slatyb If that is trafficking and they are lawfully in the USA on an Employment-Based Immigrant Visas then you and I are in complete agreement. Although housekeeper might qualify under Part 2. 1. g, I suspect it wouldn't be approved. See Form I-140 www.uscis.gov/.../i-140.pdf

[Asker]

Guys like you are why feminism exists. Guys like you also make me glad it exists.

[DWornock]

Since I provide facts and logic that messes with your fantasies, I can believe that.

[KungfuCyborg]

Brass knuckles are illegal in a lot of states, and they're useless unless you already know how defend yourself with your fists. At least give people something thats a force multiplier and extends your reach like a baton or something.

[RasmusAiken]

I'd hand out these claws for pulled pork.

[aah316]

That would scare anyone off

[wankiam]

where does this story originate from? if he was giving them out here he would be arrested and most likely the women carrying them would be too. maybe a rape alarm would be a more sensible option

[MissDawn7961]

we women need something to protect us with out it being used against us and killing us too ! I do not know of another weapon we women can use to protect ourselves against some men whos main interest is harming females

[normalice]

the illusion of protection is worse than no protection, because if you believe you have protection when you don't, you won't seek real protection.

[themaker39]

This. Owning a brass knuckle when you would in fact injure your wrist the first time you try is going to help you get deeper into trouble.