If women think all men are potential rapist then why?

[CasaNorba]

won't they take matters in their own hands and practice martial instead of playing the victim card and making movements about it? I mean isn't this what strong and responsible people do when they have a problem? do they not realize that whining and complaining is a waste of time?

a perfect example would be Wing Chun. it is one of the most effective martial arts in history that was practice by Bruce Lee himself. the reason, why I picked this one out of all, is because I heard it was created by a woman. on top of that, I have seen videos of this martial arts in action and it seems pretty gentle enough to learn and use by women.

Updates

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to all you fragile snowflakes who underestimated martial arts and claim its useless, here are some evidence of the power martial arts have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uc44atkviU&t=13s

twitter.com/.../1239430826267275264?s=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FLC0sWiobE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPjI63QLbiE

[LovingZombi]

A lot of cases i found that men are blamed for things such as rape and not all woman are victims because of false accusations from other things----
we need to be aware of whats happening--
i agree that woman should be able to protect themselves but some incidents like having something slip in your drink could happen and often does-- not all things can be helped from self-defense ---
and a lot of people being sexist towards woman still happen (just from wearing shorts like a guy or working---). personally i find a lot of 'femenist' aren't actually creating equality than hiding prejudice ideas of male blame. i love my brother but i worry for him.

My mother tells my brother to be careful all the time when it comes down to the woman and to be able to protect himself from drinks and how he talks and i see and have been looking into cases that man have been raped before--. and sexism against man in taxes and paying more for car license because its more likely that man cause these accidents from alcohol at the age of 20 or so.
my dad taught me how to do break a guys arm. but i dont think some things like this will stop people from doing such disgusting things.

[CasaNorba]

obviously we all know that our overly feminized society loves to obsess over rape and claims it happens more than it actually does. we also know that the vast majority of rape cases are actually false because most women just initiate them for vindictive purposes.

but my purpose of this post is not to argue about it. is just to ask why won't the people who feel like potential rape victims and to complain that authorities never do shit won't just take matters in their own hand and defend themselves instead

[collegestudent96]

Many people talk to or go on dates with new people with the intention of getting to know them to see if they’re a potential match for them. When it doesn’t work out, you say you don’t want to do it again - reject them. Rejection makes some men extremely aggressive. This includes insinuate raping them (unconsensual sex) or even assaulting then (unconsensual contact) or harassing them (offensive jokes, slurs, name-calling, physical assaults or threats, intimidation, ridicule, insults, offensive pictures).

[collegestudent96]

Why should women have to take martial arts to protect themselves. They shouldn’t live in fear

[CasaNorba]

"Rejection makes some men extremely aggressive."

but it doesn't make women aggressive ey? I personally know men who been charged with false rape alligations, been assaulted by thugs (under their rejected date's order), had their social reputations fucked over, and are borderline sex offenders thanks to those dates they rejected who couldnt handle their own butthurt injuries.

till then is very simple, because if you know martial arts you can defend/protect yourself from all the bullshit you just mentioned up above

[Soteris]

This is a really retarded argument. Just because you could potentially protect yourself does not mean that it is your responsibility to do so. Learning martial arts or carrying weapons is only going to go so far as well since just because you have it does not mean you will or even can use it when the situation demands but that is besides the point.

This is the same argument that extremist Muslims use to argue that women who does not want to be raped should cover themselves up and not dress as provocatively. Do I really need to explain why this is wrong?

[CasaNorba]

And this is a retarded answer. If it’s not your responsibility than who’s responsibility is it? What’s next? You’re gonna get robbed and not do shit about it because is not your responsibility to defend yourself here either?

And no they are not the same argument for the fact that it’s been proven trillions of times that provocative clothes don’t provoke rapists. Rapist rape for power, no different than why bullies bully or why serial killers kill

[CasaNorba]

Therefore I’m telling people to take actions and defend themselves. Not so stop what they like to do out of ignorance

[Soteris]

Oh really? So you think the Muslims are stupid because it has little effect? Well let me tell you about how little help knowing martial arts or carrying a gun is to prevent you from being raped.

[CasaNorba]

never said Muslims are stupid and little effect or not knowing self-defense has proven to be FAR more effective than making movements that condone nothing but bitching and whining about how your gender is a special little snowflake.

[Soteris]

Oh really? Prove it.

[CasaNorba]

feminism and #metoo have been proving your point useless for over 50 years now

[Soteris]

Do you even know what my point is?

[CasaNorba]

yeah that like a typical feminist you rather bitch and complain about a problem over doing something about it.

[Soteris]

Yeah, because you are certainly trying to solve the problem I can see that now.

[CasaNorba]

I'm doing more than you at the moment by simply providing an effective solution

[Soteris]

Its not an effective solution but a false hope. What you are doing is proposing to put a bandaid on compound fracture. While it technically "helps" its not part of an actual solution and again, this is is neither the victims fault nor do they have any power to resolve it. More effective self defense is not going to stop rape, you need to face this obvious truth.

[CasaNorba]

Okay Einstein, then what is your solution to stop it?

and again where exactly did I say the victim is at fault?

[Soteris]

Well the obvious thing would be to stop it at its source which would mean to stop rapists from going through with it. As long as there are attacks there will be successful attacks, deterrents like self defense sounds good in theory until you realize that rapists will still attempt to rape regardless and self defense only improves your odds of avoiding being raped, it does not eliminate it. It does not necessarily improve it very much either. Another flaw in your logic is that you are pushing for an individual response rather than a societal response.

Problems like these even if you have the solution is almost impossible to solve if it relies on every person doing their part because they will not. If it was that easy we would not have problems even with the simplest of things like traffic laws much less relying on every woman to learn self defense and carry weapons.

As for you blaming the victim you are basically saying that they should stop complaining as well as doing "useless things" and that this would not be an issue if they just defended themselves. Since they did not defend themselves that means its their fault by your own logic.

[CasaNorba]

and how exactly do you plan on stopping the rapists from going with it? are you gonna cry "dont rape me, please!" and yeah why make it a societal response if it only happens to a few people? if that was the case then shouldn't we make robbing and killing the same?

till then if they dont play their part then that's problem. they better not bitch about never being warned if it happens to them

yea I guess this is also the same logic that people who dont own fire extinguishers will be at fault for house fires

[Kiran_Yagami]

Yea, if you find some bizarre parallel between self protection and responsibility and Sharia law then you're just an idiot. Man or woman, it is your responsibility to protect yourself at all times. If you refuse to do that, then whatever happens to you is partly, if not entirely, your fault.

[CasaNorba]

@Kiran_Yagami thank you!

I really cannot believe how weak so many members of the human race have become nowadays. till the point that they have forgotten what resposibility and security is all about

[Soteris]

If its your responsibility to protect yourself then it is also ultimately your fault if you get raped. Nice going victim blaming.

[CasaNorba]

again I never said it was the victim's fault, but of course, pessimistic male feminists like you will always see it this way no matter what. all I did was give those who feel like potential victims an idea of what they can do to stop feeling like victims.

till then why don't you now upload videos that will convince me that bitching and whining at street rallies is a better alternative

[Soteris]

Do you need help to figure out what responsibility means? It means that you are responsible for what is going to happen. If it goes wrong, its your fault.

[CasaNorba]

No Einstein. You just can’t get “victim blaming” out of your head can you?

When something bad happens to you it isn’t your fault unless you instigate it. However nothing stops you from learning things that can prep you for situations like that; specially if you insinuate that it’s likely to happen to you

[Soteris]

No that is not how it works at all. Responsibility comes with accountability. You are like Trump arguing that he is a very responsible person but everything is always someone else's fault.

[CasaNorba]

Oh and you are one to talk. Mr “I don’t need to learn anything that relates to survival, life should learn how to be nice to me instead cause I’m a special feminists snowflake and I deserve it!”

[Soteris]

... This should not be news to you but we live in a society. I do not need to know how to grow food, other people specializes in it and does it far better than I can do by myself. Same thing for fighting fires or indeed crime. Living in a society means you hand off these responsibilities to other people so that you can focus on something more productive. If we were cavemen living by ourselves you could make that survival argument.

[CasaNorba]

Ohh thank you!

You just proof my point that you are indeed a fragile snowflake no capable of anything. Till then let’s see how far you’re gonna get when your so called “society” crumbles do to apocalypse, war, natural disaster, etc.

Till then hopefully you don’t have a fire extinguishers in your home cause you’re not capable of using that either. All the firemen in your town probably know you already

[CasaNorba]

And hopefully you live in a “Minority Report” type of “society” where authorities can stop crimes before they happen. Cause here in America we got authorities too yet our crime is still pretty high for the type of society we live in

[Soteris]

Ahaha! Are you the type of guy who has a survival strategy prepped and planed out for when society collapses? That would explain SOOOOO much about who you are.

[CasaNorba]

But enough bitching from you, go get those evidence that proof your solutions to the problem are better than mines

Which so far your solutions so far are bitch and whine about it like there is no tomorrow and now your second one is pretend it doesn’t happen and carry on in your “society” like a brainless sheep

[Soteris]

Well okey then, prepare for irrefutable evidence.
1: Not everyone can defend themselves.
2: Even if you defend yourself to the best of your ability (be it enhanced through martial arts or weapons) it will not guarantee your success.

I am pretty sure we can agree on this at the very least. The only way to truly protect people is to be preemptive and stop them from happening in the first place. Even a child could figure this out with enough time and crayons.

[CasaNorba]

I totally disagree with the first one. If you can’t defend yourself with martial arts then you’re either using the wrong style of martial arts or just plain stupid.

2. Martial arts is all about being preemptive and the videos I posted shows it loud and clear. therefore you’re now contradicting yourself a full blast

[CasaNorba]

Or you are just*

[Soteris]

Not so. There are people unable to use such things either mentally or otherwise. Perhaps they have a disease that cripples them or an injury. Perhaps they are just really really tired or perhaps they are drugged. Possibilities allow for all kinds of situations in which you are unable to defend yourself.

Also there is nothing preemptive about handling the symptom. The problem here is the rapist not the victim which you seam to think.

[CasaNorba]

"The problem here is the rapist not the victim which you seam to think."

dude are you illiterate or retarded? for the billionth time where the fuck did I said the victim is a fault?

till then everything else you just said is nothing but pathetic excuses. there are elderly folks out there who are benefiting more than just self-defense out of martial arts. and no there is no way you can ever be TOO TIRED to not protect your life and if you are drugged then that's definitely YOUR FAULT for doing drugs at the wrong place/time in an irresponsible manner. and if some else drugged you then is still your fault for exercising precaution with what you consume cause is very rare nowadays to be forced into doing drugs.

[Soteris]

All your measures are based on the victim taking action. This is a response to the rapist, they are the cause. No amount of preparing the victims is going to fundamentally change the fact that rapists exists and they are going to attempt rape. If I am to be generous with you then what you are proposing is not going to effect the amount of rapes, only those who are successful. Even in your best case scenario we are going to live in a world where both men and women are systematically subjected to rape attempts.

I also loved that jab of "your fault if you get drugged" even if that includes drinking alcohol with friends or being drugged by someone else. I also love how you think elderly can defend themselves just because they know martial arts.

Really you just have no concept of reality at this point and to empathy. No I am not talking about feeling sorry about others but what empathy actually is which is the ability to relate to others because you clearly can't see outside of your own situation.

[CasaNorba]

when what the fuck do you expect? encourage the victim to continue his/her role as a victim?

yea no shit they are the cause and as long as victims dont do shit for themselves they will ALWAYS be a cause.

" "No amount of preparing the victims is going to fundamentally change the fact that rapists exists and they are going to attempt rape."

dumbass, I'm pretty sure that your parents always told you not to talk to strangers growing up for a reason. also encouraging the victim to remain a victim isn't gonna seize rapists from existing either, on the contrary, this is gonna encourage rapists to rape far more often.

"Even in your best case scenario we are going to live in a world where both men and women are systematically subjected to rape attempts."

so does that mean we should just sit back and not do shit about it? should we all not exercise just because obesity will always exist?

"I also loved that jab of "your fault if you get drugged" even if that includes drinking alcohol with friends or being drugged by someone else"

exactly pussy, your fault for trusting your so-called "friends" so much and leaving your drinks unattended.

" I also love how you think elderly can defend themselves just because they know martial arts."

they have been for quite a while now and I seen it with my own eyes, even the ones that dont know martial arts. I personally know a lot of elderly people out there that are far more brave and responsible than you

[CasaNorba]

"but what empathy actually is which is the ability to relate to others because you clearly can't see outside of your own situation."

oh I know exactly what empathy is and you encouraging victims to remain victims just becaus e"shit happens" does not make you an empathetic person. on the contrary, this means you are once again a naive, spoiled and irresponsible loser with lack of honor and discipline. and because of so many weaklings like you in this world is the reason why so many immoral losers in this world have so much confidence in the things they do

[Soteris]

Wow you truly are one of the dumbest people I have ever seen. You do realize that a victim is still a victim if the perpetrator failed right?

[CasaNorba]

yeah and your point? who the fuck said they're arent?

if the perpetrator failed then that makes them an UNHARMED VICTIM and a hero. I rather be that over a mentally/emotionally broken victim any day.

[OddBeMe]

I think rape is done by either sociopaths who desire power, or horny kids who take advantage of passed out girls. Both are serious. But sociopaths are rare, and sex ed is cutting down on the latter.

[CasaNorba]

Agree but according to feminists and #metoo all men are what you mentioned above

[OddBeMe]

Feminists think all men are sociopaths? That doesn’t follow, even for anti-feminists.

[CasaNorba]

you need to follow feminists a little more often

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

I don't think all men are potential rapists. I definitely agree with the concept of everyone, both men and women, taking responsibility for their own safety. I don't know that martial arts is the answer. It's easier to train women to handle firearms safely, carry them, and use them if and when necessary - and I'm a strong advocate of concealed carry for women. I have to wonder how long it would take to train someone to proficiency in martial arts, maintain that proficiency, and prevail in a serious assault. I'm not concerned about street bullies, cat callers, and harassment. I can walk away from that. I'm more concerned about anyone who wants to harm me, and they usually telegraph their intentions. I've prevailed in assaults before, but it wasn't with martial arts. I'm not an advocate of measured responses or escalated use of force, that's more like a fair fight, and if it's a fair fight I'm doing it all wrong.

[CasaNorba]

but there are a lot of places where you cannot bring in your firearms, let's not forget that not everyone thinks of firearms as a self-defense tool.

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

Very true, both points. I avoid where I can those places where firearms cannot be taken and high risk areas and situations in general. Avoidance is usually the best practice. Get out of the danger zone is second best.

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

To the main point I think we both agree though - do something about it rather than complain.

[CasaNorba]

thank you!

unlike someone else who answered this who claims she should not be doing any of this because its "not part of her" and "it's not woman's nature." sadly a lot of women think like this in the west, I guess is because its easier to whine about a problem than to do take actions in fixing or avoiding it. not realizing that life isn't fair and we never know what is gonna throw at us

[Smegskull]

Because women who think like that think they are owed reparations so shouldn't have to put effort into anything.

[CasaNorba]

very true, I can already see that. i guess feminism did a very good job taking women's arrogance to a whole new level

[dwiller943]

Because we shouldn't have to waste our energy getting violent
unless we really need to. Plus knowing how to defend yourself physically
doesn't make a difference when your fears and emotions get in the way.

[CasaNorba]

"Because we shouldn't have to waste our energy getting violent
unless we really need to."

you NEED TO GET VIOLENT if someone is getting violent with you first. either that or dont bitch and whine about being a victim.

"doesn't make a difference when your fears and emotions get in the way"

your emotions are the last thing you should worry about when your life is on the line. dont you think soldiers deal with fear and emotions during combat? either way managing your fears and emotions is one of the main principals in martial arts. feeling fear does not make you useless

[juliaanita]

Geez im glad there's a guy like you to tell me how I should act and what I should do.

[CasaNorba]

glad to be a huge help, how bout answering my question as a form of gratitude?

[juliaanita]

Did you take my post to be gratitude?

[CasaNorba]

you did say you were "glad"

[juliaanita]

maybe I was being sarcastic?

[CasaNorba]

maybe I was as well

[juliaanita]

hmmm... well... I just don't have a comeback for that :)

[CasaNorba]

Till then I wasn’t telling anyone how they “should act or do” I was just giving an idea of taking responsibility in life. But I guess playing the victim card is far more easier; is too bad it obviously does not solve shit and women whining about rape more than ever speaks for itself

[juliaanita]

I don't play a victim, and if women are 'whining' about rape why is it that you think that being raped is a woman's fault? Rape is a violent act-and I'm thinking that the responsiblity for that violence is on the shoulders of the one who is violent.
So your solution is-why don't women just protect themselves.
Geez.
Maybe for some women that would be alright. But why in the world should we have to protect ourselves from men anyway?

[CasaNorba]

Where did I said it was the woman’s fault? And yea I agree it should be on the rapist shoulder but I also think that this is no excuse for the victim not to learn how to defend him/herself because after all life isn’t fair and you never know what it’s gonna throw at you.

And I don’t know you tell me why women should protect themselves from men since after all is them who claim all men are potential rapists

[CasaNorba]

also false rape alligations happen far more often than rape itself, at least here in America it does. yet I and all men who are aware of this are taking actions by staying celibate, or hiring escorts. ironically none of us have asked...

"Why should we protect ourselves against women and the justice system?"

[juliaanita]

Don't overgeneralize. All women do not think that all men are potential rapists.

[juliaanita]

but you're right-life isn't fair.
And one of the unfairnesses of life is that I wouldn't know how to physically protect myself with fighting no matter how many kung fu lessons I have. It's unfair that I weigh 118lb dripping wet and most men could do military presses with my body. My brain doesn't even think in terms of being violent. So it's unfair of you to suggest that I should just man up and learn to fight.
I'm just saying-niether your inference or your solution works in real life.

[CasaNorba]

I wish I was generalizing, cause feminists, #metoo fanatics and so many women, in general, disagree with your last statement

[juliaanita]

All of that being said-I keep myself safe with my own time-tested methods. I think judo is good for some women-but not for every woman, and, I know, not for me.

[juliaanita]

To what last statement do you refer?

False allegations happen more than rape? Cite your sources, please.
And MGTOW channels don't count as sources.

[CasaNorba]

" I wouldn't know how to physically protect myself with fighting no matter how many kung fu lessons I have."

oh yes you can, that is why you practice.

"It's unfair that I weigh 118lb dripping wet and most men could do military presses with my body."

dude you know how ignorant this sounds? size does not equal strength and self defense is not all about strength. even elderly folks can defend themselves through practice of martial arts.

"My brain doesn't even think in terms of being violent."

then that's your problem, this sounds very ignorant by the way.

"I'm just saying-niether your inference or your solution works in real life."

that is not what people who practice martial arts and have put their skills to the test have to say.

[juliaanita]

I still don't see any reputable sources RE false allegations.
So I should just... man up and fight, right? Be or do something that has nothing to do with who I am, right? Just so I could allegedly protect myself from violence?
Thanks for the advice-but understanding the nature of women isn't your forte, is it.
Show me your sources RE the number of false allegations of rape being higher than actual rape
-then we should just agree to disagree.

[CasaNorba]

MGTOW channels dont count ey? is this because you know they are right?

till then I think #metoo speaks for itself

[juliaanita]

Got your number-
no reputable sources.

[CasaNorba]

"So I should just... man up and fight, right? Be or do something that has nothing to do with who I am, right? Just so I could allegedly protect myself from violence?"

yea princess, so are you just gonna stand their and take it just because fighting is not "who you are?" how pathetic.

oh yeah I understand women nature alright. and that is never taking responsibility for themselves all because its "not part of who they are." but they should however act like victims because its a lot more easier to bitch and complain about their problems then to take actions.

till then its been said that is not in men's nature to change diapers and feed babies, yet I was forced to do this myself at the age of 12. oh and I did not take lessons for it by the way

[CasaNorba]

yeah there are plenty of numbers for you at the #metoo channels an other feminists communities out there.

since you won't believe mgtow

[juliaanita]

like I said, i got your number.
The one who should take responsibility is yourself for your own problems with women.
It's made you bitter.
and not very self aware.
You should go back to your mgtow channel now, where you feel safe and can rant without being accountable.
by the way, IStill haven't seen any reputable sources.

[juliaanita]

You've been muted until i see sources.

[CasaNorba]

I'm bitter yet I'm not the one whining in rallies dictating on how women should stop throwing false alligations around, divorce raping their husband and using their kids as parasite fangs to squeeze the benefits out of the government.

I'm taking actions myself by avoiding women, renouncing bars/clubs, staying out of apps like tinder and staying celibate. because I'm well aware that bitching and whining solve shit. whether its part of me or not

[CasaNorba]

by the way even if I do upload any sources you will still not see them if you mute me smarty pants

[CasaNorba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UngZXqJ-UTo

here I finally found one. yeah that is a girl performing these techniques so I hope you dont bite your tongue that hard

[Filthy_Immigrant]

you do know he's right. and no, you dont need to be as strong as a POWERLIFTER to take martial arts! here are some examples for you. all performed by women with similar physique as you, so you can quit your excuses...

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twitter.com/.../1553277119987269632

twitter.com/.../1552884264949071872

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[Dongtai]

Or guys could stop raping women.

Just a thought.

[CasaNorba]

we've been telling people to not steal for centuries yet robbers, thieves, and shoplifters still exist. we also been saying that killing is wrong yet there are still murders and serial killers out there

[Dongtai]

The difference between those and rape is that everyone is at risk of being murdered or robbed. It’s mostly women being raped by men. Men don’t have to “assume” a woman might rape them but women have to keep that thought in the back of their minds.

Also why are you defending rapists?

[CasaNorba]

if you do your research you will realize that women rape just as much as men, its just that its easier for men to do it and the fact that our feminized society makes a bigger deal about men raping isn't helping out.

till then if your logic is that I'm defending rapists then you are obviously defending thieves and murders

[Dongtai]

Please provide sources that says women rape as many as men as men rape women.

[CasaNorba]

providing sources or not I'm pretty sure that like the typical feminists male (or at least that is what you sound like) you're gonna deny them.

till the point of my OP was not to argue about who rapes more than who. it was about why women who do feel like potential rape victims won't just take action and solve their own problems instead of bitching and whining like they have been for the past 50 years.

[Dongtai]

I’m not even a feminist. I just call things the way I see them. As a journalist I always fact check absurd claims though.

[Deathraider]

Firstly, women don’t think all men are potential rapist. Most men aren’t rapist.

Secondly, what kind of world expects women to have to learn self defense just to avoid rape?

[CasaNorba]

That is not what feminists and #metoo have to say.

And I don’t know, provably the same world that expects you to get vaccinated to prevent the flu from infecting you

[Deathraider]

I don’t think that’s what most of them are saying. Name me someone who claims that all men are potential rapist. And technically we could all “potentially” do any crime.

It’s reasonable to get a flu shot since we can’t really control the virus. And getting a vaccine isn’t intrusive at all. You go in, get the shot, and then done. The expectation that a person has to learn to defend themselves just because of the state of society isn’t a valid expectation. And furthermore to blame a person couldn’t defend themselves is a misplaced blame. If someone assaults someone else, would we blame the victim for not being able to protect themselves? No. They could’ve taken those measures, sure, but they aren’t in the wrong by not taking those measures.

[CasaNorba]

dude do you live under a rock? do you not know what the #metoo movement is all about?

taking martial arts isn't intrusive either smarty pants. all you too do is go to your class, train and then you learn new lessons; no different than school.

"The expectation that a person has to learn to defend themselves just because of the state of society isn’t a valid expectation."

okay I guess this also means that folks who live in Africa where supermarkets and restaurants are rear should not learn how to hunt or harvest their own food.

"And furthermore to blame a person couldn’t defend themselves is a misplaced blame."

who's blaming who? and yeah if that person knew self-defense or just knew how to handle the situation he/she wouldn't have to endure such consequences.

" If someone assaults someone else, would we blame the victim for not being able to protect themselves? No."

yea obviously no but again the point here is not blaming the victim. but if such people feel like victims then why not encourage them to take matters on their own hand? instead of whining about it

[stormbreaker06]

B cuz they are lazy and busy watching Netflix.

[CasaNorba]

And because bitching/complaining about a problem is easier than doing something about it as well

[stormbreaker06]

It probably stimulates them. Like people who have anger problems or druggies. They just feel good for that time then they need to explode again to feel good.