Because some men hate women and some women hate men. That will not be solved overnight and I hope as we continue to educate and empower both men and women those haters reduce in number over time.
Personally I would fully support my 5 year old niece becoming president of the US in 30 years. I will also support her following any other passion in the same way my support is unwavering for my 4 year old Godson. Empowerment within the family is the most important empowerment we can offer our society.
Because empowerment is what all the crazy feminazis go on about, they want to be above men and in most western countries women already are but they still continue to say they're oppressed which is total lies and continue to make men's lives more difficult which is why the suicide and mental illness rate for men is sky rocketing while at the same time not being addressed in the slightest because of people like that pink anon who seem to think if you say or do one nice thing for men you must be misogynistic because it doesn't benefit women.
I feel like those men aren't very secure with their masculinity and so when a woman is empowered or successful it makes them feel less masculine. I think those men are more likely to want the traditional gender roles where the woman is a housewife and he works and provides for the family.
No that's her choice. There is nothing wrong with wanting a housewife or wanting to be one. I'm just saying that I THINK that men who are insecure with their masculinity are more likely to want a relationship like that.
Then why isn't is his choice too, why would you put men down if you wouldn't put women down for wanting the same thing?
Why aren't you saying I think people who are insecure are more likely to want a relationship like that, you can't have one but not the other, otherwise it's just flat out sexism
I feel like this is just subjective. Why are you saying this with the tone of ‘because men are selfish and egotistical’ because the majority of men have good reasons, not all men are selfish and egotistical I don't know why i keep seeing girls say this... Can’t we just agree that everyone is different and saying things like “Because those men aren’t very insecure about their masculinity and they’re egotistical” is wrong and generalizing and certainly doesn’t apply to the majority of men, most men are reasonable about this topic and don’t have issues with it at all.
It is his choice. Stop twisting my words. There are men in this world who are insecure with their masculinity and I'm saying I think they want that and even if they do that's still their choice. They are choosing to have a traditional relationship over a non traditional one. I just think men who are insecure with their masculinity are more likely to choose a traditional relationship.
Except she's painting every man that seeks a traditional relationship as being insecure by not wording things correctly, I'm very particular about this sort of thing and has be to do this with people to get therm to say what they actually meant instead of their initial badly worded post.
This is why I sadistically enjoy to label them as weaklings!
These are all the machos, who kept saying "i dont give a shit about this or that. i dont care about men's day. We don't need men's day. i dont give a F..., MGTOW bitches. If women need men like fish need bicycles, then men need women like bicycles need fish!" that caused women to withdraw from showing us some love. And their favorite trigger-happy buzzword is feminism.
Women showed us love. Then the machos discouraged it. Then the women turned silent, became confused or pretty much said "fine. have it your way". Then the blues adopt destructive habits such as alcoholism and feed further into their macho-ism. Then the suicide rates of men keep going upwards.
Coincidence? I think not. 🤦♀️ They reap what they sow.
The last century or so has seen a massive change in the gender power structure. Fundamentally, women hold all the cards, anyway. They select who gets to reproduce! In the traditional (patriarchal?) regime, a young man held some power as the potential provider for a family. Now that women can provide for themselves, or live off the state, many young men have no real role. They are not in the top 20% desired for breeding. They are powerless and disenfranchised (and involuntarily celibate). Women's empowerment has left them worse off than any previous generation of men.
I don't think any man is "threatened" by female empowerment, especially since it's more of a joke than a reality. I am not being disingenuous either.
There is a back lash against females constantly patting themselves on the back for no reason to feel "strong and independent" because it actually contradicts the entire meaning of "strong and independent".
Empowered people doesn't need to have endless social campaigns, clubs, groups, funding, assistance, trigger warnings, safe spaces, etc Empowered people don't use social bias to literally destroy another group and still pretend they are oppressed.
They are welcome to be tired of it. That’s their problem. I don’t think women who do want to pat themselves on the back should bend over backwards to the will of the “tired” men. Go take a nap then.
There are three other groups that need constant support, and pats on the back for nothing. Dogs Children the mentally disabled. But those three groups don't create rallies, special days, and social media campaigns to try and force others to give them these false accolades.
We tired men will take a nap if you pathetic self promoters will grow the fuck up.
Your comfortable little bubble only exists because "tired men" die to make it easy for you.
Any of the bullshit feminist pushed nonsense. Take back the night, Slut walk, "equal pay" crap, the entire MeToo shit, All campaigns suggesting women are victims and men are monsters.
NOW (national organization for women) 3 separate times shut down men's equal parenting rights
It's actually quicker to mention any female campaigns, rallies and laws which don't hurt people... I can't think of one.
The slut walk was created because a police officer blamed a woman for the sexual misconduct she endured due to her appearance.
I’m not really into the whole equal pay thing because I don’t think I’ve experienced being paid less due to my gender. In fact, it’s so much easier for women to get rich online and I encourage many to take that route if it suits them.
I don’t care if you’re a man or woman, if you blame someone for being sexually assaulted on what they’re wearing, that’s pretty disgraceful and inexcusable. Man or woman.
Yeah Slut walk is nonsense. It's like people creating door walk because people who keep their car doors unlocked want to shame criminals into not committing crimes on cars with easy access to things. Slutwalk is another excuse for women in groups to expose themselves in public and act like it's "empowerment".
NO female in western society experiences less pay simply because of their sex... men on the other hand DO. Because of these stupid campaigns companies pay women premiums to work for them as a way of filling quotas.
You can think whatever you want but there are legitimate reasons many of these campaigns and groups exist, and many i fully support. If you don’t like it, that’s fine, but we don’t have to care. Your approval of these campaigns is not needed. Thanks for playing.
Agreed, the radicals who take things to the point of misandry allow those who're influenced too much by what they feel their role is as men to feel consciously justified in disagreeing with movements to tilt the scales towards a better balance of different varieties of people in fields across the world. Its something that pushes at the back of mind too, but at least I've learnt to ignore it and look at the facts instead and try to keep my stance rational and not fall in with the band wagon.
I do agree with the top comment below though that there are many other groups that are seriously under-represented in the movement, but I seriously doubt that was what garnered the down votes.
Women around the globe have the right to equality with men, but it's way different with a woman than a man. For instance, a man can provide for the family for years with complain or showoff but a woman having the title of bread winner in a family will certainly explode within a short time. Her actions to the man who's not capable to quarantine the rate of financial contribution in the family will show from time to time.. Men have common endurance which a woman lack.. Empowerment for women is not a threat but the use of it just like the saying "money is the root of evil, but it's wrong it's the use of money that can be evil.. Thanks y'all
Well, certainly I have not been in that position where a woman takes care of all the financial needs while I do nothing. But I have a close friend back home couple of years back, he was a victim of such circumstances. I mean it should be equal right and contribution for both man and woman.. but when a woman takes over all the financial responsibility, 80% of women will like to have full or total control over the man, ordering him around and displaying plenipotentiary power over him even before his friends which shouldn't be.. That's what I mean by "exploding"
Well if he’s not doing anything else then he should at least do as he’s told. However I prefer not to have that arrangement either because at that point you’re essentially his mom and he would be like a child. I don’t have time to be no ones mama.
From what I've seen, a lot of men are so obsessed with the whole "male oppression" thing that they totally ignore the fact that women still have it hard in many fields. I for example noticed that women are treated worse in professions that are mainly about strength (for example building) or intelligence (for example engineering). Then they come up with false claims that countries where women don't have more rights than men don't exist. It is probably hard to believe, but in Europe people ARE actually treated equally regardless of gender. And some countries are so right-winged (take Poland as an example) that basically the whole net is used for bashing women and sending them to kitchen.
But some men do not want to believe this. Thry just want everything to be about them. Because "men are oppressed, period".
Are you as strong as the men? Are you willing to work as the men? Are you as smart as the men? If yes then you deserve equal treatment and equal pay given it would be equal pay for equal labor. However feminists demand discrimination against men by artificially forcing higher pay for less labour for women and artifically force organisations to hire women over better suited candidates. Which is systemmic discrimination against us.
I am not as likely to be believed as a woman, i am artifically discriminated against by law. So you do not have the right to claim those are not real issues. Or else you would be arguing against the facts.
But feel free to find genuine systemmic examples where woman get oppressed so the solution can benefit us both.
I say what needs to be said. I criticize thinking and behavior that our society needs to command to be corrected. If they don't like it and want to downvote every single one of my comments, they can knock themselves out but it only proves why I say the things I say.
They too just did what the need to do. If you dont like taking downvote, simply dont mind them. Or dont comment such things.
You actions of getting frustrated about some downvotes only proves how jealous and insecure you feel inside. It also proves what you said were still doubtful within you.😂
Who said I was frustrated? I just asked the question. If you equate that with being frustrated then I see an additional reason why men and women have a hard time getting along. But I don’t have that problem because I vet the people in my life better than that.
Perhaps it would also help if people realized I’m here for different reasons than most people are. I study people’s thinking, attitudes, and responses and use it for my writing.
Why are you interpreting downvotes as being threatened by women's empowerment? I don't know why those people voted that way but maybe they just don't think that audaciously ignoring criticism is appropriate or that it has anything to do with women's empowerment.
Well, I also think that being threatened by women's empowerment is petty and immature. Perhaps we have found your answer: these men are petty and immature.
because some of the people "fighting" for "female empowerment" are fascist misandrists. it's not unreasonable to be scare to not have a way to defend against them because men are right now not exactly being treated equally. they are being treated like supressors that will be silenced from a fake moral high horse at every attemt to create some fair discourse.
I don't get why, but if I had to guess, I would say it's for the same reasons the right-wing feels threatened by any group they've discriminated against becoming empowered: The fear is that they will be mistreated the same way they mistreated everyone they viewed as the "other."
Fear of retaliation.
It's a problem most people have, not being able to think outside of themselves. Not everyone is out for revenge, but the men who feel threatened don't see it that way. They think everyone else thinks the same way they do and if THEY suddenly had a lot of power they'd likely misuse it, continuing the cycle.
I don't feel threatened by this, I think that behind this mentality is "I'll get everything that you have too but, if things go bad for me, I'll look at you with sad dog eyes so you can give it to me anyway". Do you want go and take things for yourself? Okay, but don't go beg society for help if you struggle. I think it's just a cowardly and hypocritical mentality that tries to get the best of everything without taking the responsibilities that come with it in a quest for power. If your goal is power, I personally think your mentality is not good.
I am not against equality, quite the opposite, but I think this mentality is power seeking, not equality seeking. If you seek power, you seek to be above others and that's not good in my eyes.
LOL!! They are terrified that women will take over and make them grow up!! They know that there is nearly nothing of consequence, that a man can do, that a woman can't do at least as well, or figure out a better way! I have no fear at all, and I think women are amazing, and love all of the ones in my life!! At least Equals, and maybe even better than a lot of guys!!
Nice women are better. Doesn't sound sexist at all. Maybe they don't appreciate that only women's issues no matter how marginal get attention and never any male issues don't matter how big.
Loving the thumbs up and the many DOWN, proving my point that a lot of guys are just terrified and hating the idea that women are AT LEAST EQUALS!! Sorry guys, but reality is just that!
You are showing a comment and the likes and dislikes out of the context of the question this was posted in. Men in general are not against women empowerment but thourougly reject discrimination. So if this was a question linked to the discrimination of men or masculinity then that is why you got disliked.
International Women’s Day gets media attention and recognition because women take the initiative to make that happen. If men want that same media attention and recognition, no one is stopping them from raising awareness about it or celebrating it. It’s just that men aren’t taking nearly as much initiative as women do.
That is exceptionally incorrect, many men’s rights groups have regularly attempted to promote the day. They have never had the opportunity to do so. Many media companies decline to air the ads as they “violate their corporate policies.”
I don't hear anyone talking about men's day. Primary n Highschool never celebrated it. It's not really talked about nowadays. Womens day is probs had more attention cause empowering women and introducing to wonderful female role models is good as women are still not as equally treated as men.
Men's day does exist but isn't as much known, like how pancake/cake/birthdays of people people day aren't as known. But just saying men's day has it's same purpose as women's day to introduce good male role models and more.
Just saying that pl don't see y men has it's men's day or any of it's use (somtimes) from the overuse of stereotyping men as treat.
Other than working with said groups, companies don’t put out yearly reports of who they decline air time. From my work in the communities I have seen such results first hand. For example there is only one men’s shelter for domestic violence victims in the United States. Though there have been other attempts they are denied the state and federal funding women’s shelters receive, they also face regular threats of violence from feminist groups.
Nobody is threaten... women don't really have power like that, their nature is just more mild and more related to feelings that is what actually makes them more beautiful and powerful then anyone already, but in terms of raw power and control over the definition of this reality they are so very far away from it surely they can bring vibrations of happiness into everyone life from their little miracles of love (kids) and peace to men they can bring peace. I think they really are the equilibrum in this world
Sexual energy can be canalized to other things... of course it is nice to be filled by the love and light of a woman but some people see womens as mean of procreation and that is all :) not sure if women are needed in the equation of power and control.
They are necessary but never in control... maybe sadly I don't know can't really 'see' the complexity of this situation I just see that men control the world always been like this from time to time a strong woman arised but that was all, women have a different type of energy it doesn't represent the strong how we see it and define it at the moment. I think it is very complicated.
In some ways that’s true but men very much live to please women. Men wouldn’t have built society if women weren’t commanding them to be protectors and providers of the family.
The men you know live to please women most superficial some deep on emotions but still somehow weak, the really powerful men manipulate womens as toys and they live for absolute power and total control and especially knowledge.. I can't even emphasize exactly. Society is a complex thing build more on desire to control and power as well more then protecting and providing.
Ehh that is what you like to think... then again you will never meet real powerful men in this life just at most millionares and you forget that money is just paper surely by far not the ultimate form of power. I see that you live under the impression that women can seduce, yes they can but not when facing a wall that is actually a mirror and takes their form
They are... but some men just ignore them and that seduction has no effect... knowledge is endless womens are predictable sorry to dissapoint you but their power is limited there and sadly by nature they are just much weaker both physically and mentally.
I doubt... I think you don't see the big picture because you are lead by some books and probably men that are easy to seduce with the false ideea of power so in a way related to your experience not from a objective way but rather subjective. I don't think women are inferior I just see that they have no power they get little tiny bits of power from time to time and that with like extreme big effort never during history they did not had control or power sure they influence some men but that is about how far it goes.
I do hope you or another women are the one to prove all this is wrong but I am afraid it would need so much more then one that would just be an anomaly
If that is the case, why are there so many different male dominated groups desperate to change female behavior? I’m referring to mgtow, incels, MRAs, the manosphere and all those who follow, support, and promote these groups efforts. You’d think that if men were so powerful they wouldn’t be so frustrated that society is become so gynocentric.
They’re scared to death that women are no longer being fooled into believing that can’t have everything they want, even at the expense of men. That’s their fear, that is will be at their expense.
See we speak about different kind of groups you speak about frustated men I speak about calm knowledgeable and very equilibrated men. Man leaded by ego can be very stupid that is a total different situation. And that last kind of men not necesarly want to fool women they are so powerful that it does not matter humanity is nothing without womens they have the gift to procreate but they lack of the power and actually knowledge and wisdom to lead I know what point you want to make sadly for thousand of years there's nothing to it.
Well actually a being that is evolved is probably 50% woman 50% men, maybe that is why relationships take place so we can get in touch with our feminine side and women with their masculine, I think only us humans define and take seriously in consideration things by gender still... we are so early at our stages of evolution, so if you ask me a perfect leader is a woman who can see and feel the man side inside her or a man who can see feel the woman side inside him. What is masculinity these days it is surely controlled by media and false. It is all about equilibrum, harmony and peace I think a true woman leader would not even think how many men ruled over the years she would just be herself in her most beautiful and enlightment state. It is an endless subject and so complicated and complex and it tends to get superficial becouse of this and that.
Chase, enough. I didn’t make the rules. Nature did. I never said I believe women are better people. I said there is evidence that suggests some reasons why women make better leaders. I’m not a sexist because of that.
It depends on the scenario. Just one example Men usually don’t have the support of other men. Whereas women group together and support each other for where they agree. When a woman yells at a man in public, he is usually all alone, but if a man yells at a woman, both men and woman will go in her defense.
Maybe it's possible that they simply disagree with the assertion being made, and not that they feel "threatened" by it. Whatever that's supposed to mean.
Maybe it's the case that they don't even disagree with the assertion on it's face, but with the dozens of implications regarding other, unrelated issues--since progressivism is sold as a package deal. Example: "Men and women should be treated equally under the law... therefore sexual revolution!"
The real reason is because political and cultural power is a zero sum game. I support women's equality, bc I am a socialist. In order for the 99% to have more power, the 1% have to have less. That's just the way things are. The more equal the marginalized become, the less relative power -- and so, gross/total power the cultural incumbents have.
@Chase7777 I care about men's issues too, that's why I support women.
In the United States, workers, women, PoC, LGBTQ, and other people who are at the sucky end of our power dynamics have to form a coalition to secure any rights for any of us. We as a coalition band together to accomplish things for women, and in turn, they go to bat for our issues -- like occupational safety and worker's rights, criminal justice reform, and other political aspirations that would disproportionately improve the lives of men.
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Because some men hate women and some women hate men. That will not be solved overnight and I hope as we continue to educate and empower both men and women those haters reduce in number over time.
Personally I would fully support my 5 year old niece becoming president of the US in 30 years. I will also support her following any other passion in the same way my support is unwavering for my 4 year old Godson. Empowerment within the family is the most important empowerment we can offer our society.
Because empowerment is what all the crazy feminazis go on about, they want to be above men and in most western countries women already are but they still continue to say they're oppressed which is total lies and continue to make men's lives more difficult which is why the suicide and mental illness rate for men is sky rocketing while at the same time not being addressed in the slightest because of people like that pink anon who seem to think if you say or do one nice thing for men you must be misogynistic because it doesn't benefit women.
Even when it’s not the “crazy feminazis” they still get their panties in a twist over the concept.
Do you have any evidence that what you claim is the primary reason why men suffer from mental health issues, depression, and suicide?
It doesn't have to be a crazy feminazi saying it for it to be a bad thing
I mean if you're interested to know you can always go and look for it yourself, you're 35 according to your account, I'm not here to spoon feed you.
I was just curious as to why some think it’s such a bad thing. If you don’t want to answer then you don’t have to be here.
I mean I could literally quote Snakeyes7
"Because empowerment isn’t equality if only one side of the scale is receiving it."
If you don't want to find the answers yourself then you obviously didn't care enough to know in the first place and your façade comes crumbling down.
I don't spoon feed, never have never will
I must have been mistaken. I thought this was Girls Ask Guys.
It is well done
I feel like those men aren't very secure with their masculinity and so when a woman is empowered or successful it makes them feel less masculine. I think those men are more likely to want the traditional gender roles where the woman is a housewife and he works and provides for the family.
And if the woman wants to be a housewife? Are you going to put her down for wanting that?
No that's her choice. There is nothing wrong with wanting a housewife or wanting to be one. I'm just saying that I THINK that men who are insecure with their masculinity are more likely to want a relationship like that.
Then why isn't is his choice too, why would you put men down if you wouldn't put women down for wanting the same thing?
Why aren't you saying I think people who are insecure are more likely to want a relationship like that, you can't have one but not the other, otherwise it's just flat out sexism
I feel like this is just subjective. Why are you saying this with the tone of ‘because men are selfish and egotistical’ because the majority of men have good reasons, not all men are selfish and egotistical I don't know why i keep seeing girls say this... Can’t we just agree that everyone is different and saying things like “Because those men aren’t very insecure about their masculinity and they’re egotistical” is wrong and generalizing and certainly doesn’t apply to the majority of men, most men are reasonable about this topic and don’t have issues with it at all.
It is his choice. Stop twisting my words. There are men in this world who are insecure with their masculinity and I'm saying I think they want that and even if they do that's still their choice. They are choosing to have a traditional relationship over a non traditional one. I just think men who are insecure with their masculinity are more likely to choose a traditional relationship.
Hm, okay, well fair enough. I suppose I misunderstood you.
Except she's painting every man that seeks a traditional relationship as being insecure by not wording things correctly, I'm very particular about this sort of thing and has be to do this with people to get therm to say what they actually meant instead of their initial badly worded post.
and have to do this with people*
Obviously I can't stop autocorrect ruining things
This is why I sadistically enjoy to label them as weaklings!
These are all the machos, who kept saying "i dont give a shit about this or that. i dont care about men's day. We don't need men's day. i dont give a F..., MGTOW bitches. If women need men like fish need bicycles, then men need women like bicycles need fish!" that caused women to withdraw from showing us some love. And their favorite trigger-happy buzzword is feminism.
Women showed us love.
Then the machos discouraged it.
Then the women turned silent, became confused or pretty much said "fine. have it your way".
Then the blues adopt destructive habits such as alcoholism and feed further into their macho-ism.
Then the suicide rates of men keep going upwards.
Coincidence? I think not.
🤦♀️
They reap what they sow.
The last century or so has seen a massive change in the gender power structure. Fundamentally, women hold all the cards, anyway. They select who gets to reproduce! In the traditional (patriarchal?) regime, a young man held some power as the potential provider for a family. Now that women can provide for themselves, or live off the state, many young men have no real role. They are not in the top 20% desired for breeding. They are powerless and disenfranchised (and involuntarily celibate). Women's empowerment has left them worse off than any previous generation of men.
I don't think any man is "threatened" by female empowerment, especially since it's more of a joke than a reality. I am not being disingenuous either.
There is a back lash against females constantly patting themselves on the back for no reason to feel "strong and independent" because it actually contradicts the entire meaning of "strong and independent".
Empowered people doesn't need to have endless social campaigns, clubs, groups, funding, assistance, trigger warnings, safe spaces, etc
Empowered people don't use social bias to literally destroy another group and still pretend they are oppressed.
So when someone claims female "empowerment"
... it usually gets a negative stamp because most guys are tired of hearing the "pay attention to me! Tell me I am special!" mantra
They are welcome to be tired of it. That’s their problem. I don’t think women who do want to pat themselves on the back should bend over backwards to the will of the “tired” men. Go take a nap then.
There are three other groups that need constant support, and pats on the back for nothing.
Dogs
Children
the mentally disabled.
But those three groups don't create rallies, special days, and social media campaigns to try and force others to give them these false accolades.
We tired men will take a nap if you pathetic self promoters will grow the fuck up.
Your comfortable little bubble only exists because "tired men" die to make it easy for you.
I think women who aren’t hurting anyone should just ignore the naysayers.
Campaigns, rallies, and laws created by women to silence, suppress, and destroy men are not "not hurting anyone".
I think that greatly depends on which specific rallies, campaigns, and laws that were talking about.
Any of the bullshit feminist pushed nonsense.
Take back the night, Slut walk, "equal pay" crap, the entire MeToo shit, All campaigns suggesting women are victims and men are monsters.
NOW (national organization for women) 3 separate times shut down men's equal parenting rights
It's actually quicker to mention any female campaigns, rallies and laws which don't hurt people...
I can't think of one.
The slut walk was created because a police officer blamed a woman for the sexual misconduct she endured due to her appearance.
I’m not really into the whole equal pay thing because I don’t think I’ve experienced being paid less due to my gender. In fact, it’s so much easier for women to get rich online and I encourage many to take that route if it suits them.
I don’t care if you’re a man or woman, if you blame someone for being sexually assaulted on what they’re wearing, that’s pretty disgraceful and inexcusable. Man or woman.
Yeah Slut walk is nonsense. It's like people creating door walk because people who keep their car doors unlocked want to shame criminals into not committing crimes on cars with easy access to things. Slutwalk is another excuse for women in groups to expose themselves in public and act like it's "empowerment".
NO female in western society experiences less pay simply because of their sex... men on the other hand DO. Because of these stupid campaigns companies pay women premiums to work for them as a way of filling quotas.
You can think whatever you want but there are legitimate reasons many of these campaigns and groups exist, and many i fully support. If you don’t like it, that’s fine, but we don’t have to care. Your approval of these campaigns is not needed. Thanks for playing.
Agreed, the radicals who take things to the point of misandry allow those who're influenced too much by what they feel their role is as men to feel consciously justified in disagreeing with movements to tilt the scales towards a better balance of different varieties of people in fields across the world. Its something that pushes at the back of mind too, but at least I've learnt to ignore it and look at the facts instead and try to keep my stance rational and not fall in with the band wagon.
I do agree with the top comment below though that there are many other groups that are seriously under-represented in the movement, but I seriously doubt that was what garnered the down votes.
Women around the globe have the right to equality with men, but it's way different with a woman than a man. For instance, a man can provide for the family for years with complain or showoff but a woman having the title of bread winner in a family will certainly explode within a short time. Her actions to the man who's not capable to quarantine the rate of financial contribution in the family will show from time to time.. Men have common endurance which a woman lack.. Empowerment for women is not a threat but the use of it just like the saying "money is the root of evil, but it's wrong it's the use of money that can be evil.. Thanks y'all
Explode how?
Well, certainly I have not been in that position where a woman takes care of all the financial needs while I do nothing. But I have a close friend back home couple of years back, he was a victim of such circumstances. I mean it should be equal right and contribution for both man and woman.. but when a woman takes over all the financial responsibility, 80% of women will like to have full or total control over the man, ordering him around and displaying plenipotentiary power over him even before his friends which shouldn't be.. That's what I mean by "exploding"
Well if he’s not doing anything else then he should at least do as he’s told. However I prefer not to have that arrangement either because at that point you’re essentially his mom and he would be like a child. I don’t have time to be no ones mama.
Lol... You're absolutely right.. it should be avoided
From what I've seen, a lot of men are so obsessed with the whole "male oppression" thing that they totally ignore the fact that women still have it hard in many fields. I for example noticed that women are treated worse in professions that are mainly about strength (for example building) or intelligence (for example engineering). Then they come up with false claims that countries where women don't have more rights than men don't exist. It is probably hard to believe, but in Europe people ARE actually treated equally regardless of gender. And some countries are so right-winged (take Poland as an example) that basically the whole net is used for bashing women and sending them to kitchen.
But some men do not want to believe this. Thry just want everything to be about them. Because "men are oppressed, period".
Yes I got treated so equally in Europe that I was forced to do 9 months of civil service or military which women don't have to.
Maybe you should educate yourself a bit before coming to conclusions.
@Chase7777 I live in Europe so I know what's going on here. Which country have you been in?
I'm austrian, middle Europe.
Are you as strong as the men? Are you willing to work as the men? Are you as smart as the men? If yes then you deserve equal treatment and equal pay given it would be equal pay for equal labor. However feminists demand discrimination against men by artificially forcing higher pay for less labour for women and artifically force organisations to hire women over better suited candidates. Which is systemmic discrimination against us.
I am not as likely to be believed as a woman, i am artifically discriminated against by law. So you do not have the right to claim those are not real issues. Or else you would be arguing against the facts.
But feel free to find genuine systemmic examples where woman get oppressed so the solution can benefit us both.
Threatened is an incorrect word.
And also why your ego is running behind to seek revenge on men society!
Is that part of women empowerment?
As far as i know you, you made rash and rude and impolite comments when it comes to men.
So this is what you get for it!
WHY SO SERIOUS?💀
I say what needs to be said. I criticize thinking and behavior that our society needs to command to be corrected. If they don't like it and want to downvote every single one of my comments, they can knock themselves out but it only proves why I say the things I say.
They too just did what the need to do.
If you dont like taking downvote, simply dont mind them. Or dont comment such things.
You actions of getting frustrated about some downvotes only proves how jealous and insecure you feel inside.
It also proves what you said were still doubtful within you.😂
Who said I was frustrated? I just asked the question. If you equate that with being frustrated then I see an additional reason why men and women have a hard time getting along. But I don’t have that problem because I vet the people in my life better than that.
Yea, i can totally see who is making the gender gap larger here, that too unnecesaarily.
Okay, live your life with those better ppl🙏
Perhaps it would also help if people realized I’m here for different reasons than most people are. I study people’s thinking, attitudes, and responses and use it for my writing.
That’s why I ask these questions. Not out of frustration.
Oh!
I dont know how. true it is.
But users here dont know that.
If it is study u are doing, you seem to go a bit too far, you can conclude those observations under "extreme" section😂
Why are you interpreting downvotes as being threatened by women's empowerment? I don't know why those people voted that way but maybe they just don't think that audaciously ignoring criticism is appropriate or that it has anything to do with women's empowerment.
Perhaps, but that would be petty and immature in my opinion.
Well, I also think that being threatened by women's empowerment is petty and immature. Perhaps we have found your answer: these men are petty and immature.
because some of the people "fighting" for "female empowerment" are fascist misandrists. it's not unreasonable to be scare to not have a way to defend against them because men are right now not exactly being treated equally. they are being treated like supressors that will be silenced from a fake moral high horse at every attemt to create some fair discourse.
it is a dangerous ideology that you should also be scared of even if you're a woman.
... Yup
I don't get why, but if I had to guess, I would say it's for the same reasons the right-wing feels threatened by any group they've discriminated against becoming empowered: The fear is that they will be mistreated the same way they mistreated everyone they viewed as the "other."
Fear of retaliation.
It's a problem most people have, not being able to think outside of themselves. Not everyone is out for revenge, but the men who feel threatened don't see it that way. They think everyone else thinks the same way they do and if THEY suddenly had a lot of power they'd likely misuse it, continuing the cycle.
I don't feel threatened by this, I think that behind this mentality is "I'll get everything that you have too but, if things go bad for me, I'll look at you with sad dog eyes so you can give it to me anyway". Do you want go and take things for yourself? Okay, but don't go beg society for help if you struggle. I think it's just a cowardly and hypocritical mentality that tries to get the best of everything without taking the responsibilities that come with it in a quest for power. If your goal is power, I personally think your mentality is not good.
I am not against equality, quite the opposite, but I think this mentality is power seeking, not equality seeking. If you seek power, you seek to be above others and that's not good in my eyes.
LOL!! They are terrified that women will take over and make them grow up!! They know that there is nearly nothing of consequence, that a man can do, that a woman can't do at least as well, or figure out a better way!
I have no fear at all, and I think women are amazing, and love all of the ones in my life!! At least Equals, and maybe even better than a lot of guys!!
Simp alert
Code Eugene!
Nice women are better. Doesn't sound sexist at all.
Maybe they don't appreciate that only women's issues no matter how marginal get attention and never any male issues don't matter how big.
Loving the thumbs up and the many DOWN, proving my point that a lot of guys are just terrified and hating the idea that women are AT LEAST EQUALS!! Sorry guys, but reality is just that!
You are showing a comment and the likes and dislikes out of the context of the question this was posted in. Men in general are not against women empowerment but thourougly reject discrimination. So if this was a question linked to the discrimination of men or masculinity then that is why you got disliked.
It was in the context of men’s reaction to International Women’s Day.
International women’s day gets media attention and recognition, international men’s day does not. That would be one reason you got such a reaction.
International Women’s Day gets media attention and recognition because women take the initiative to make that happen. If men want that same media attention and recognition, no one is stopping them from raising awareness about it or celebrating it. It’s just that men aren’t taking nearly as much initiative as women do.
feminists might react to men's day tho.
That is exceptionally incorrect, many men’s rights groups have regularly attempted to promote the day. They have never had the opportunity to do so. Many media companies decline to air the ads as they “violate their corporate policies.”
@Kinogo
They regularly boycott it and denounce it as sexism, and misogyny.
@Tyme1313 rip, I don't know, there's father n mother's day, y can't men's day be celebrated as well.
Do you have proof of this?
I don't hear anyone talking about men's day. Primary n Highschool never celebrated it. It's not really talked about nowadays. Womens day is probs had more attention cause empowering women and introducing to wonderful female role models is good as women are still not as equally treated as men.
Men's day does exist but isn't as much known, like how pancake/cake/birthdays of people people day aren't as known. But just saying men's day has it's same purpose as women's day to introduce good male role models and more.
Just saying that pl don't see y men has it's men's day or any of it's use (somtimes) from the overuse of stereotyping men as treat.
I made a thread about men’s day and coincidentally a lot of men didn’t like it. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I don't know, these types of subjects are abstract. there's gonna be that one salty crowd.
Other than working with said groups, companies don’t put out yearly reports of who they decline air time. From my work in the communities I have seen such results first hand. For example there is only one men’s shelter for domestic violence victims in the United States. Though there have been other attempts they are denied the state and federal funding women’s shelters receive, they also face regular threats of violence from feminist groups.
Nobody is threaten... women don't really have power like that, their nature is just more mild and more related to feelings that is what actually makes them more beautiful and powerful then anyone already, but in terms of raw power and control over the definition of this reality they are so very far away from it surely they can bring vibrations of happiness into everyone life from their little miracles of love (kids) and peace to men they can bring peace. I think they really are the equilibrum in this world
I think women have an in born power over men, sexually speaking. And I think it frightens them.
Some men are not lead at all by sexuality so that is just so partial.
That is the case for a small fraction. Most men are lead by sexuality.
WEll a small fraction of men are really powerfull and control most of the world if not all :)
Yet here in America we just had to have the one lesser man who grabs em by the pussy and had cheated on every wife he ever had.
Sexual energy can be canalized to other things... of course it is nice to be filled by the love and light of a woman but some people see womens as mean of procreation and that is all :) not sure if women are needed in the equation of power and control.
From where I stand, I believe women are necessary to rise to greater influence in some areas.
There should exist no man who believes a woman’s only purpose is procreation. As long as that is the case I will support certain feminist efforts.
They are necessary but never in control... maybe sadly I don't know can't really 'see' the complexity of this situation I just see that men control the world always been like this from time to time a strong woman arised but that was all, women have a different type of energy it doesn't represent the strong how we see it and define it at the moment. I think it is very complicated.
In some ways that’s true but men very much live to please women. Men wouldn’t have built society if women weren’t commanding them to be protectors and providers of the family.
The men you know live to please women most superficial some deep on emotions but still somehow weak, the really powerful men manipulate womens as toys and they live for absolute power and total control and especially knowledge.. I can't even emphasize exactly. Society is a complex thing build more on desire to control and power as well more then protecting and providing.
Those men like to give the illusion of power but still they are no match when it comes to the woman they want.
Ehh that is what you like to think... then again you will never meet real powerful men in this life just at most millionares and you forget that money is just paper surely by far not the ultimate form of power. I see that you live under the impression that women can seduce, yes they can but not when facing a wall that is actually a mirror and takes their form
Women are seduction by nature. Ever read Robert Greene?
They are... but some men just ignore them and that seduction has no effect... knowledge is endless womens are predictable sorry to dissapoint you but their power is limited there and sadly by nature they are just much weaker both physically and mentally.
That can only be true for low testosterone anomalies.
I doubt... I think you don't see the big picture because you are lead by some books and probably men that are easy to seduce with the false ideea of power so in a way related to your experience not from a objective way but rather subjective. I don't think women are inferior I just see that they have no power they get little tiny bits of power from time to time and that with like extreme big effort never during history they did not had control or power sure they influence some men but that is about how far it goes.
I do hope you or another women are the one to prove all this is wrong but I am afraid it would need so much more then one that would just be an anomaly
If that is the case, why are there so many different male dominated groups desperate to change female behavior? I’m referring to mgtow, incels, MRAs, the manosphere and all those who follow, support, and promote these groups efforts. You’d think that if men were so powerful they wouldn’t be so frustrated that society is become so gynocentric.
They’re scared to death that women are no longer being fooled into believing that can’t have everything they want, even at the expense of men. That’s their fear, that is will be at their expense.
See we speak about different kind of groups you speak about frustated men I speak about calm knowledgeable and very equilibrated men. Man leaded by ego can be very stupid that is a total different situation. And that last kind of men not necesarly want to fool women they are so powerful that it does not matter humanity is nothing without womens they have the gift to procreate but they lack of the power and actually knowledge and wisdom to lead I know what point you want to make sadly for thousand of years there's nothing to it.
There is evidence that women are better leaders than men in some respects because women are better listeners and communicators.
We have not yet known the true potential of women. However it will inevitably come clearer within the next 50 years.
Well actually a being that is evolved is probably 50% woman 50% men, maybe that is why relationships take place so we can get in touch with our feminine side and women with their masculine, I think only us humans define and take seriously in consideration things by gender still... we are so early at our stages of evolution, so if you ask me a perfect leader is a woman who can see and feel the man side inside her or a man who can see feel the woman side inside him. What is masculinity these days it is surely controlled by media and false. It is all about equilibrum, harmony and peace I think a true woman leader would not even think how many men ruled over the years she would just be herself in her most beautiful and enlightment state. It is an endless subject and so complicated and complex and it tends to get superficial becouse of this and that.
Chase, enough. I didn’t make the rules. Nature did. I never said I believe women are better people. I said there is evidence that suggests some reasons why women make better leaders. I’m not a sexist because of that.
It depends on the scenario. Just one example Men usually don’t have the support of other men. Whereas women group together and support each other for where they agree. When a woman yells at a man in public, he is usually all alone, but if a man yells at a woman, both men and woman will go in her defense.
Maybe it's possible that they simply disagree with the assertion being made, and not that they feel "threatened" by it. Whatever that's supposed to mean.
Maybe it's the case that they don't even disagree with the assertion on it's face, but with the dozens of implications regarding other, unrelated issues--since progressivism is sold as a package deal. Example: "Men and women should be treated equally under the law... therefore sexual revolution!"
Just maybe.
The real reason is because political and cultural power is a zero sum game. I support women's equality, bc I am a socialist. In order for the 99% to have more power, the 1% have to have less. That's just the way things are. The more equal the marginalized become, the less relative power -- and so, gross/total power the cultural incumbents have.
There's no two ways about it.
Well said.
WOMEN ARE EQUAL IN THE WEST.
There are so many things in which men are disadvantaged but politicians only care about womens issues.
How so? The holy roller politicians keep trying to outlaw abortion.
@Chase7777 I care about men's issues too, that's why I support women.
In the United States, workers, women, PoC, LGBTQ, and other people who are at the sucky end of our power dynamics have to form a coalition to secure any rights for any of us. We as a coalition band together to accomplish things for women, and in turn, they go to bat for our issues -- like occupational safety and worker's rights, criminal justice reform, and other political aspirations that would disproportionately improve the lives of men.