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Oh, that's certainly a "feminist favorite" phrase, right out of a Women's Studies textbook. But like literally every other thing in those textbooks, it's a lie.
Men aren't threatened or intimidated by "independent women" - we're merely UNINTERESTED in them, perhaps with the exception of being providers of casual sex. When a woman says "I'm an independent woman!", men literally translate that in their minds as her saying "I'm only good for casual sex and nothing else" and that's how he'll see her from then on.
Why is this? Well, first, it's because it's a complete lie. Let's imagine that you woke up tomorrow, and every man on the planet had disappeared. Would you be able to live out your remaining years? Would you even survive a year? There would be no power, no clean water, no gas, no ships, no farming, etc. Men do 99.99% of those jobs, and in days or weeks, things would be breaking down, and there would be no way for the remaining women to fix them - they lack the necessary experience to fix this infrastructure in time.
But to call yourself an "independent woman" strongly implies an attitude that you don't RESPECT men or men's contributions to your life. There are plenty of women who are technically independent - have their own careers or businesses and can pay their own way - but would never call themselves "independent women" because they don't have that disrespectful-of-men and "men-as-the-enemy" attitude that feminism teaches, and I'm not talking about those women. I'm talking about the ones who love to call themselves "independent" just because they make money.
If you were ACTUALLY independent, you wouldn't care what men thought or did, because it wouldn't be relevant to you.
Men don't have any (non-sexual) interest in women who don't value or respect men - why would they? Most "independent women" still very much want a relationship with a man, and are surprised when men don't want them, and they love to believe it's because men are threatened by them. If men were threatened by an independent woman, they'd be fighting her, because that's what men do when threatened. Instead, independent women just become irrelevant to men - just a woman who has nothing to offer beyond sex, and men don't need to be in a relationship for that.
Men also know full well that while men have always spent money on women, women earning money rarely means that the money is spent on the man. Women still expect men to be Traditional (including earning more than she does, no matter how much she makes), while she has changed to be Independent and has taken from him the benefits he received in trade for him providing for her. In other words, women want the benefits of a traditional man without any of the responsibilities - and men simply aren't interested in this. It's not a good deal for men, and so men are rejecting that deal, allowing independent women to be independent and be alone, which is presumably what they want.
And men know that when a woman out-earns a man, she will divorce him over 80% of the time (this comes from CDC stats, who keep track of marriage and divorce in the US), and if they have kids, she's still going to get primary custody of the kids 91% of the time.
The media is reporting that the number of divorces has fallen in that last 5-6 years, but they don't mention that this is largely because the marriage rate has plummeted over the last 10-15 years - few people married means fewer divorces. Men are choosing to remain alone rather than deal with "independent women."
You realize that I was talking about financial dependence right? Men are more than the pay check they bring in, now that women have financial independence they are looking for qualities that are more important than a dollar amount. A man's ability to provide isn't the most important thing about him any more, not saying that he should be willing to, just that most don't have to any more, and because of that a lot of women have the ability prioritize other traits that are more important.
@Subarugirl The problem is that because women think they're independent, that they deserve everything from a "traditional relationship" without bringing anything to the table themselves. Other than perhaps paying their own bills. It's a hard pass at that point for most men, especially for anything more than a casual hookup.
@SixFootSexy if by "traditional relationship" you mean someone who will meet you half way and pull their own weight, then I am not surprised that most men would pass. These kind of women want a partner, not a responsibility, not someone who is going to control her. I don't get why men are so upset about being chosen, instead of picked out necessity.
@Subarugirl because men and women are looking for totally different things in a relationship. Men want youth and beauty; women want status, safety and resources. Since the dawn of time, this is how it's been. Modernity says it's different now, but humanity hasn't changed much at all.
Women who are not independent at all can be a burden due to passive mindset. And if you are childless, you may as well do something useful with your life. But I think what you are talking about is a standard situation in a couple where a woman typically ends up sacrificing at least a few years of her career to take care of children. It can easily be 10+ years which is a lot and I disagree with fleeing to work and paying someone else to raise your own children. Doesn't mean she can't have a career, but there are tradeoffs. And as a result of this dynamic, women tend to want men who have same or higher income and men tend to want women with same or lower income so that it doesn't get awkward when the woman stays home.
I personally have no problem with smart, capable and action oriented women and if they have a degree and a fine job and can contribute their savings to help get a bigger better shinier house, great. But as soon as their drive to succeed at work collides with their willingness to be a homemaker, even if only temporarily, that is where I have a problem with it. So if a woman spends time up to her early thirties in college and emerges at the age of 33 with a shiny new degree, a ton of debt and a lot to prove, she is definitely not marriage material in any sense of the word, because she positioned herself to be at a disadvantage if she has children right then and delaying any further increases the risk of not being able to have them at all.
Beyond the initial breastfeeding period however, if a confident and independent woman wants to have flexible schedule and share the burden of raising the children with me, that is not a problem. But not that many jobs are well suited to that kind of arrangement.
In the end someone who worked on their virtue and learned a lot about how to raise children well to the detriment of financial independence will still be preferable for me. It is however not because of her submissiveness but because of her dedication to things that truly matter in life. If a woman can and wants then also work for money after her main job is done, that's neither here nor there.
As a heterosexual woman who has had to deal with men being intimidated by my success I both agree and disagree with your perspective. I'll explain why bellow
I agree in the sense that there are a lot of men who are intimidated by a woman who has achieved financial and career success. However, I don't agree that it's inherently due to men needing to be "controlling" in any sort of abusive way (not saying that's never the case, but I think that's more of the exception). It's more so largely because society still has put a certain expectation/pressure on men to be providers for their family. If the woman they're with doesn't need the guy she's with to provide for her financially the man can potentially feel emasculated. Moreover, they can feel that their role/importance in the relationship is diminished.
We women who are financially/professionally successful and are in such relationships with men who may feel emasculated and/or intimidated as a result need to be patient and understanding with how our partner feels. I absolutely am not saying at all that we need to apologize for striving for excellence or should try to be less professionally successful to make him feel better. However, we do need to be patient and understanding of where he's coming from. Moreover, there are legitimate concerns he may have that we can and should go out of our way to address.
1. Firstly, I think there's nothing wrong with the need to feel needed in a relationship. I think we all want to feel that our partner truly needs us in our lives and we're not just some "take it or leave it" type of relationship to them. Make sure he knows you truly do need him in your life. A few examples of ways you could do this include (but aren't limited to) asking him to help you in different areas you really could use his help in (and be sure to express genuine appreciation afterwards), check in with him when you're about to make a big decision and take his thoughts/opinions seriously (and let him know that), and open yourself up to him and let yourself be vulnerable around him.
2. Find ways to make him still feel masculine in your relationship. Ask him to fix things around the house (even if you can do it yourself). Let him know he makes you feel safe. Let him cook the meat if you're barbequing. If he's got muscles tell him how strong he is/get "girly" about them. When your in bed talk about how "big" and "hard" his asset is (if you know what I mean).
Now this is an incredibly sexy woman the energy coming off of her words tell you how beautiful of a person and partner she is and your partner is very lucky and I hope they remind you of how lucky they are and how great you are daily and more by actions than words
It's nice answer no doubt very well written.
One thing is that you cannot make a man feel manly if he is not
Men can also earn huge money and still be soft doesn't mean he is not a man.
And if you are simply making them feel for the sake of it , it won't work for long.
The issue or slight problem is that women are speakers they like to yammer about everything they act fast speak more sometimes there is only a little thought behind it
The issue is they don't listen or listen properly they want tobe heard but not hear and when it's backed up with money then they think it's the ultimate power so they would like to implement things without discussion now they try to control they actually want to excersize power over the husband bc they are having money now.
Bc it's been already taught said and heard men control women even if some are not any word by the guy would be used against him but same thing if ot comes from there family or friends then it would be fine.
Because they realize that means women will love them for who they are instead of their money. That kind of person knows nobody will because they are unlikable to society. Therefore, they long for older times when they could abuse and own women. They are the same kind of people who would own slaves if they could. Bottom of barrel sort of people.
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We are NOT “threatened” by independent women. That’s just a bullshit feminist generalization. Most of us appreciate a woman who can hold her own but at same time love and more importantly respect us. I find that to be extremely attractive
No what we can’t stand is the following:
- The incessant need for western women to go around telling everybody they are “strong and independent”. In 2021 there are more higher education and career advancement options for women then men. Women are out graduating men at a (frightening) pace. Also wage gap my ass. It’s illegal to explicitly pay a woman for the exact same job. Corporations are scared shitless about anti discrimination. You are actually MORE likely to be hired if you are a woman for diversity quotas.
- Women who use the bs excuse to “follow their heart” to screw over or cheat on decent men. Date who you want but female cheaters are no better than male cheaters. Both are equal POS’s. Quit trying to justify being a piece of shit. Men will never get away with that “follow your heart” bullshit so neither should women.
- Women who use their sexuality for monetary gain while still expecting to be “respected” for it. No if you voluntarily decided to use your body (stripping, cam shows, prostitution, etc.) you took the easy way out. 99.999999999% of men can’t make money that way. We got to actually work. Do what you want but don’t expect not to be judged. You were born with a marketable body you didn’t earn it.
- Women who go around acting like “alpha females” but when the going gets tough they want a shoulder to cry on. A famous example of this was Rhonda Rousey. After her first MMA loss she was on the Elle show saying she was suicidal. While I take suicide seriously I can say absolutely no male MMA fighter would ever get away with that. Especially if they put on a “hard ass”
persona prior to the set back.
Anyway the list goes on. But the bottom line is decent men will recognize and respect women who are truly independent. Quit exposing that crap. Talk is cheap.
I never said all men
Alright but just in my experience women who go around saying that out loud usually turn out to be hypocrites.
The best relationship I’ve ever been in my life was with a young woman who walked the walk but didn’t have to talk the talk. Again decent men can see this.
This could go one of three ways (I give actionable advise at the end):
1. Guys innately want to feel like they are providing something to the relationship. If you deny him any sense of worth by reminding him that he's not needed (inadvertently or not), its going to drive him away or down into the ground if he doesn't leave. Thankfulness and respect in a women to a man is like decisiveness and confidence in a man to a women.
I am educated myself. I enjoy dating and being in the company of women that have a had great success in engineering and the medical field. It's nice to talk with someone with their own pursuits. It might be different since I am "on their level". If I wasn't, I imagine that I would be pretty intimidated, but not because they are women and successful. It's like meeting anyone that has vastly better achievements than yourself; you might feel inadequacy regardless of the other persons gender.
2. This one might sting a little, and it is not directed at anyone. However, it's something to be aware of. Pushing the fault for someone not being liked by another person is a form of coping. It comes from a desire to avoid self-reflection. The issue may even not be that bad, but a deep seated fear of some sort prevents being critical.
In this case, the problem could be anything. Perhaps the dating issues don't come from the individuals success at all, but is a scapegoat. It's been repeated enough times online that one could subconsciously pick up the idea. The ONLY way to truly eliminate this as a root cause is to assume fault and critically self-evaluate.
3. They have been in past relationship where not making enough money is the reason for past breakups. As guys, in MOST circumstances, we need to be able to provide more than the other person. This is becoming painfully out in the open. There are plenty of articles now mentioning that men are graduating college less often and making less money, and that is causing a relationship-suitable-men dating pool collapse. Marriages often end when the husband looses his job and can't get back on his feet within a certain time frame. In street interviews, many women admit that they wouldn't want to date a man that makes less money than them for the long term or at all.
You may be one of the women that isn't bothered by her man making less money, and I applaud that, but unless you find a way to hit those thankfulness and respect points that every guy needs in some way, you are going to have trouble. Showing gratitude for receiving gifts or dinner is easy, but it sounds like you may need to be a bit more creative. My suggestion is just have him do something for you... anything. Don't give him chores; that will just irritate anyone. Instead, give him a challenge that would help you out if he could figure out and tackle (and have it mean something to you and especially if it's an area of interest for him). Regardless of the scenario outlined above it's a good idea to show appreciation. That's just one idea, but hopefully it gets more ideas going. It also shows a bit of willingness to work on things.
You worded this so much better than I could have.
@DarkWinterNights Thanks! I hoped it was inviting enough to read completely and to hyper focus on intent (nothing gets across if people go on the defensive). I'm curious to see what a woman here thinks.
That's a misinterpretation.
Women call it 'independent' and use words like 'threatened' and that all others who don't support ALL of their life decisions and actions are 'just jealous.' In most cases, this is not an accurate interpretation at all.
What men see, and don't like, is that women now seem unappreciative, entitled, stubborn, unkind, and only want equality in the world when it suits them and is advantageous to their life. (Not all women. But the women you have described.)
Men mostly don't care what women do for a living. Some like career women, successful in their work, who make a great living. But to most men, what they want is NICE, capable, and logical but loving. A woman who treats him and others, nicely.
And the more money a woman makes, the more she expects/wants/wishes her man to make, proportional to hers. He cannot make less or she will call him a leech. So his successes are shared. But her successes are primarily kept as her own, and he must match or better them. And in this current economy, that is getting harder to achieve. She will call him lazy. But he won't call her lazy. It's things like this hypocrisy that upsets men.
It's rarely about intimidation or jealousy. It's the character of the women who are not only emboldened, but have very unrealistic expectations of what the man should bring to the table, with a list of 'should haves' yet don't seem to have any list of what they should contribute. Women are asking/demanding men to prove their worth to women, while women stand and judge who is worthy to be with them. That's what the men are pissed off about when it comes to 'independent women.'
Well said.
Nailed it! We couldn't care less about a woman who has a career and life of her own. We're just fed up with the controlling, selfish, stubborn, ignorant, "Holier Than Thou" types exerting her dominance because she's an "independent woman".
@Wraith_Cemetery and @AmandaYVR, really amazing. Just got what I intended to convey. Some part of it, as per my experience at 20.
I am a university student right now, but I can express my thinking about my, would be, wife.
See, I, for one would definitely not feel threatened if my wife is independent or any of my co-workers.
In fact, I would feel happy for any woman near me. I want everyone to be independent and happy in their life. I don't get jealous just because my friends, 50/50 boys to girls ratio, get internships in MNCs, or get higher marks in exams or anything related to things like that. It is their hard work, they are getting the profits for that.
The same case gets applied to women too. I would genuinely feel happy for all of them, GIVEN THAT, those women are not rude, have an attitude, or just an unpleasant person around to be.
If they are rude or unpleasant, I would just feel angry but never threatened from them!
Having been a part of two groups for 4 semesters straight, with female leads. Both were outstanding, by the way, I only want my boss, or my coworker to really deserve it.
Never forget that, girls are majorly ahead of academics wrt boys, hence I just have the deserving criteria for any girl out there. Which I think is the perfect criteria for any person on a particular post I think.
If a woman, girl is reading this opinion and if you feel offended or any such opposing feeling, please reply to this post so that I can understand both sides. Thank you.
women have created and adapted to this new paradigm shift. However men are still treated like they need to be living a certain way going back like 50-60 years ago and that's unfair. especially with many modern women still expecting men to remain the same while they change for their own benefit. If the modern woman can accept the modern man then i dont see an issue. Accept that maybe you won't get everything in a modern man too. If women compete for positions then realize only so many of those positions are available and you might not get a guy in that bracket. Judge a man for his character and actions and what he does.
Its good not all girls today are looking at men as a meal ticket. But so many if not most still seem to want men who make more than them even though more women are the ones with degrees in high paying fields today. Less men are going to school and pursing careers and this happens when men can't compete in a meritocracy. many give up and men stagnate without conflict. we ALWAYS stagnate without conflict! And when men stagnate I assure you that all aspects of society will rot away and change in ways you won't be very fond of tbh.
My hope is that the modern man seeks to find his self worth outside of capitalized meritocracy. For centuries, women were expected to find self worth in their abilities to provide in realms other than financial and socioeconomic. I don't think this has to be a gender mindset, but rather philosophical and temperamental one.
Imagine if men were given the opportunity to have a family and pursue their creative ideals? Im sure you would see a rise of Artists, dancers, writers, clergy, photographers, small business owners. Imagine if your worth wasn't hinged on your ability to provide but to inspire and impact change?
There are plenty of women who enjoy their full time jobs (with spousal benefits) who would definitely support someone who supports their family in time, bus pick ups, emotional reliability, and more.
@Xoxocutekitty tbh i have yet to meet such a woman. The fact you are 27 saying this makes me very happy though. sometimes i wonder when its younger gals saying this if they are serious or not. i like to cook and I like to cut grass. I love spending time with kids. I want to grow my own crops on the side too. So our family has plenty of whole foods in the diet.
No of course women should get to do what they want and all that comes with that. What I’m trying to wrap my head around is when women were dependent on their man for everything like you’re saying does that mean they were being fake and basically prostituting themselves (which I can careless if a woman has sex for money I’ve never exchanged goods with any but growing up I knew a few and they were my friends) and doing this so they could be under a mans thumb. If that’s the case then that sucks because if they were faking they loved him and loved being a mom and housewife just to keep this dude paying the bills while being under his thumb I mean I’m not sure who the bad guy is in this situation or are you only saying the women that were abused and unhappy were being deceitful like that to avoid abuse because if that’s the case then hell yeah I’m all for the abused women to gain there independence from the nightmare they were living and as far as the men crying about that’s on them for not keeping his woman happy. Yes I know he didn’t own her I would call a guy a woman’s man so don’t trip
Well a marriage is contract, essentially always has been, now that women have financial independence, a mans ability to provide for is family isn’t the most important trait any more which gives people the ability to prioritize other desirable traits.
So just because the woman I walked with daily hand in hand has a means of making money she’s going to change her priorities and lose the love we had cause if that’s the case she’s no good anywAys and I’d help her pack or hell she could help me pack
If you're most desirable trait is how much you make.. I pity you
I hold mine down and really you’re getting off track my point is her changing just because she’s making money does that make everything up to that point a lie because I’m me regardless of how much or who’s making it because if it was the other way around wouldn’t you think what an asshole I mean I would be thinking the dudes an asshole if he pulled that crap regardless I’m all for women being successful I raised 4 daughters and hope they rule the world some day 2 of them anyways the other 2 can get a little wild but they could be a close second in command
Those men are older for the most part, but within your lifetime you're seeing the fruits of the labor of many women that have moved thought and perspective towards your desired end-state.
Things have ALSO moved this way because enough MEN agree with you and have supported women.
I grew up #6 of 6 kids with no dad.
I have massive respect for my mother and my grandmothers and my sisters.
I have two daughters.
Rejectedorincesses. com.
A book made by a MAN because he was looking to give his daughters examples and role models of powerful women throughout history and he couldn't find one compiled source. So HE made one. I think he's on volume 2 now.
If it was JUST women fighting for your rights and men were completely against you... you never would have come so far.
You have more rights and things still need to change, I agree, but there are men who support you as well.
You never threw ALL men under the bus and I'm not saying you did but this sounds a bit whiny and empowered women are not whiners.
You're an awesome young woman and mother. I guess I'm a little surprised that you keep ringing that bell when it's already done it's work. We're just waiting for the dinosaurs to die out.
No on a ‘broad’ draft for woman. Honestly a liability. I would have signed up, as would a large number of woman. But woman as a whole, hell no. I would trust random terrified men to follow troop leader orders over random terrified woman.
Yes I do, the same restrictions should apply to men and women when being drafted
We aren't, just concerned at how smug some women are about defending themselves and then go around purposefully harassing people not realizing how big of a disadvantage they're at even with a gun against a man. Arrogance not only hurts the reputation of self defenders, but it puts the defender in serious danger.
Men are almost always the intended victim in violent crimes and it never ceases to amaze me how many of these "independent" women can't see why that's the case when women are exponentially easier to attack as they're far weaker, almost never have the mental strength to fight back, and have far more valuables on them than men do.
Why is that? Here's the reason, perpetrators operate under the assumption that the man in the situation will fight on her behalf, and that's very often the case as I've recorded more instances of a man, sometimes at random, stepping in and stopping perpetrators from victimizing a female. When women are targeted, it's almost always in a situation where the woman is alone, without a man be it a spouse or friend with them.
What makes a woman more likely to be alone, or with just other girls that are just as woefully incapable of protecting themselves as she? This mentality of "independence".
Second, you don't need men? Okay, so you don't need about 80% of the police force deterring and intervening in criminal activity, 89% of firefighters, 70% of EMT's, 88% of the armed forces, 64% of farmers, 64% of not to mention the hundreds of thousands of good samaritans (almost all of which are men) stepping in when you need help?
No offense, you're about as independent from men as an unresponsive hospital patient with no brain activity and no breathing is independent of doctors and other healthcare workers. To suggest otherwise is to lie to yourself and you know it's true
You do realize that we are talking about financial independence right?
Ugh, this question again. Why is it that so many women are still confused by this issue?
Men have no problem with independent women. We PREFER women who know how to be adults and take care of themselves!
The problem we have is with women who have certain attitudes that are just unappealing (to anyone, by the way). Women who have a chip on their shoulder and feel like they need to prove something. Women who walk around with a neon sign over their heads that reads "I am a strong and independent women who doesn't need a man".
What would you think of a man who feels the need to proclaim "I am a strong and independent man who doesn't need a woman"? Do you see how ridiculous you women sound when you say that? It makes us guys want to say "congratulation, I'll bet you can even tie your own shoes and wipe your own ass, too".
Again, the vast majority of men like and prefer women who know how to be adults and take care of themselves. But if you are a self-proclaimed "strong and independent women" and feel the need to tell the world about it, you're going to come off as an asshole and guys are not going to be very interested in you.
Learn the different already.
I’d rather be chosen than needed
Did all of that really just go right over your head?
@Subarugirl And by the way, I'm familiar with your posts here on GAG. You are exactly the kind of woman I was talking about here. No surprise.
You mean the married mother with a husband she adores?
@Subarugirl Oh please, I have read all the questions you've posed here on GAG, including the ones where you talked about how bad your relationship is with your husband. And the other toxic ones you've posted.
You do realize the questions I post isn’t always a direct reflection of my personal relationships right? 😂
You and I have had personal exchanges in some of your questions about YOUR issues with YOUR husband and YOUR relationships with him. There was no question you were talking about yourself in those conversations.
You need to remember the things you've posted here in the past before you post things like this. People remember things.
You have clearly demonstrated some psychological issues and toxicity in things you've posted. As I said, you are a good example of the type of issues I referred to earlier. You're a good example of the fact that in most cases, women who assume men have a problem with their independence are not being honest with themselves.
Honey you know as well as I do that controversial topics do better than just about any other kind of here right?
Sooo... are you saying you have been lying all along? Or, are you just lying now? Which is it?
I’m sayin the questions I ask aren’t always a reflection of my personal life of opinions
It's not about the questions you've asked. You have told me some very specific issues you have with your husband. Were you lying?
What relationship doesn’t have issues? I never claimed it was perfect, non are. What I am saying is that we’re both happy, and that I think you are plowing things out of proportion.
Sure, too bad GAG dos have a decent search function.
I am not threatened by independent women.. Truly independent women dont advertise it and virtue signal it. The ones that tout that they are "Strong independent women" are also 9 times out of 10, Disgusting, Insufferable, entitled women, with multiple children by multiple baby daddies, on state support and child support.. Which makes them anything but independent.. My neighbor down the street, is a single mother with 6 children, by 6 different fathers, Receiving child support and state assistance to the tune of 8 thousand dollars per month, she's constantly talking about how strong and independent she is, When in reality, She is anything but. This has been my personal experience by the way.
The ones that are actually independent and strong are the ones that dont have time to brag about how strong and independent they are, because they are living life. Enriching them selves, Working. the kind in the first paragraph i have ZERO respect for. The second kind, Well, Is my wife.
They are the kind that are obsessed with controlling women. They live in the past, controlling men are lacking something inside of themselves which is why they look for people - specifically women that are easy to control so when a man like that sees an independent women it is threatening to him as the independent woman brings out the part of a woman that he despises as she is not easily controllable.
She is not willing to put up with his BS and will call him out on his bs. This is threatening to a controlling mans ego and fragile sense of self worth which he can (like a bully) only get from putting women he deems as weaker down.
@leosp5000 no one thinks that’s okay
It always feels like men like to be needed, which annoys me as an independent woman. I think they see being independent as a threat because they know you can do without them. I've heard some men say if she’s that independent im not helping her, not even to take the trash out. It’s ridiculous men are not as strong and tough as I had imagined most are weak that’s why they like weak women lol.
@gagirls but men don’t even come close to what I thought they would be or stood for a waste of muscle and testosterone lol.
Men like to be needed who says that men actually want to feel less needed less responsibility they will experience freedom to another level.
It's just biology and need for love.
Let's talk a bit of reality if men didn't pay attention to women you would go crazy.
Attention seeking for women is like drugs they need some of it at least in any form men can adapt to any situations such is there build they have advantage of strength and strong headedness.
I am not saying women are weak but there is some difference women are emotionally strong they have very strong mindsets and emotional quotient
If you even take that away then men will be truly free of bindings don't know how that world would look like
@Aakash_Hangargi men just need to realize that how much they make isn’t the most important thing about them anymore. It’s easier to make 6 figures than it is to be a good person and a good partner. Personal growth is always uncomfortable
@Subarugirl But that has been the main thing for centuries a man's worth was always gauged in terms of money and property and still is while women place there worth on her beauty
And the more the women earns the more she would expect from her husband to earn she will say I already earn so much why should I marry you the more ambitious the women is the more ambitious man she wants so your point of mean should realise that how much they make isn't the most important thing about them doesn't stand true let's even say if it's not the most important thing but it would be still a prime factor
@Aakash_Hangargi and for centuries women were considered property. Having someone financially dependent on you gives you power over that person, so it makes sense to be intimidated by realizing the type of person you are is a more important trait than how much money you make.
@Subarugirl you are not getting my point.
I do agree that being dependent person gives the power over person.
Independent women are seeking same level of power to exert they might say or think they are independent just bc they earn , the only problem is women stop listening is the key word than being intimated it's that they are not being heard.
As I gave example show me or give me some example where the man earns less and women earns more are In a happy relationship and the women still respect the man who is earning less than him.
First of all they are over proud of being independent that they have to rub it in others face that they are independent where independent means they are just earning money which everyone does but it's still considered as an achievement for women while it's common for everyone else and that to in this age and time
@Aakash_Hangargi My brother and sister in law are a great example of this, She is a manager at a huge cruise company and he is a stay at home father with their two children. We are good friends and they have great relationship as far as I can tell. They respect each other and she never has anything negative to say about him, in fact it's quite the opposite.
See here exactly the point they have just switched there roles one still exerts the power over other and the decision maker would be the one who solely earns offcourse she doesn't have time to talk about him you would never know how she really feels or does she craves for someone who earns more these things are never stated upfront.
Like most guys wouldn't complaint about there wives infront of others or bad things offcourse they do love their wives.
And how many examples could you gather more even if we consider this as a good example
@Aakash_Hangargi I made more than my husband did for the first 3 years of our marriage.
1. Ok , you didnot answer much about the first example you gave.
2. At those first three years let's say in the 2nd year you know 1st year both are lovey dovey all real things start in year 2 lol.
3. What issues you faced and how you felt about it and you should say it in as from both of your view points.
4. How you and him felt when he started earning more than you.
5. What changes you noticed b4 and after increase in his payscale.
6. Again you could just come up with 2 examples one being yours own that to a limited period of time
There's a huge chasm between being "independent" and "insufferable."
Generally speaking: Men would rather go out in the world and make the money. If they are successful, they really don't need a woman who does that too. It's redundant. A totally independent woman *could be* a liability to a truly successful man. We don't want a needy woman, that can't do anything for herself, obviously... but when a man invites a woman to live with him, he usually wants her support at home and to take care of his needs in other ways.
We could care less if you work serving fast food or if you wear shoulderpads in your high-powered executive job. Your job or status is not what attracts 99% of men.
And neither is it the main factor of choosing a husband anymore, a mans ability to provide isn’t the most important thing about him anymore, there are other attributes that are more important.
@Subarugirl of course a man must be competent in other areas of his life as well, such as being a good lover. But that skill, along with the massive risk of marriage means that most men are better off never settling down. Women have driven the price of sex to nearly zero and culture is suffering because of it.
I think the issue is that man are being held to a higher standard than just being a cash cow. Financial freedom enables people to make decisions based off of preference and not necessity, which means how much a person makes isn’t the most desirable trait anymore. I think it’s harder to be a good person and a good partner than it is to make 6 figures. So many men complain about women being picky and unrealistic when really they have just raised their standards l.
Could it be that you're fishing in the wrong pond then? You say it's easier to make a 100k+, than it is to be a good person. Unless you were very fortunate, or born into a family where you benefited from nepotism, making 100k+ a year isn't easy for 99% of the world. There are a lot more good men in the world than those that earn that much a year.
I'm not here to tell you what to be attracted to. But you have to consider what the man you desire would be attracted to. Are you that? If not, then it may be time to do a deep introspective look and see what you need to change about yourself. Or, if you are unwilling to change... then don't and stay single. It's your choice.
Thanksbut my husband and I do very well. This question wasn't a reflection of my personal relationships, rather inspired by behaviors I have witnessed.
@SixFootSexy I read a successful independent feminist writer who wrote that 1.) She needs a man to give her things to feel loved. 2.) She's incapable of love because (to paraphrase) life is all about her. How can someone who only cares about herself be a team player and truly give to another? It was refreshing to see a woman who really understands herself but only a fool would take her seriously.
If women were truly "independent" they would refuse to rely on men for car repairs/services, computer repairs/services, emergency services like firemen, police, doctors, etc. Try living even one year in your life "without men" and see if you truly can be independent.
That also means no social handouts from men, like food stamps or welfare that is mostly provided by men's taxes, no jobs or promotions given to you by a man, etc.
And if a woman really was more independent she would contribute just as much as the man to a relationship/family. Financially, work wise, defending the family from violence. Yep, when a home invader comes around, the woman should fight to the death to protect her family. Lets see how well that works out.
How about having millions of women voluntarily get shot to death and have their limbs blown off defending the country and providing safety to others?
Oh shut up I work at a car dealership, men come to me with their car problems.
@Subarugirl You work at a desk at a car dealership and send job orders to men.
This isn’t about veterans. It’s about day to day life. Woman work in the military.
I work with cars you asshat, not at a desk.
No I´m not threatened by independent women for me it´s just that the thing I don´t feel needed I don´t do anything for you not even getting interested in you.
The complication/problem is that I define "needing" not only in a context of control or dependancy.
For me "needing" could also mean a form of appreciation, like maybe some situations where you´ve talked with a friend because you wanted to talk with someone about a secret or you haven´t seen him/her for a long time.
For me the "word" also fits in those cases.
So if a woman always emphasizes on why she doesn´t need me I hear her also talking about such situations.
I am attracted to independent women for
The fact I want a partner a team player not a mooch , I want a girl that is going to work with me not against me , especially in today’s society , my money is her money vice versa , it doesn’t matter how much she makes just as long as she is making , having each other’s back is what’s important, having that financial security together gives each other less stress on ourselves , I always been a worker and consider myself independent I never depended on anyone to take care of me considering I am capable of working and providing for myself so having a girl that is like me is a huge turn on to me
There's nothing more beautiful than a woman that is confident independent smart intelligent can laugh at herself and she's happy this is what all women should be oh yeah she has had beautiful eyes can be a hot sexy beautiful lover but you know there are two different types of women that are like this one of the top All the Above if she's just happy carefree and she knows who she is and she's all the above she's for me LOL there's also other independent Women who like to tell everybody how independent they are in so many different ways that they're almost rude about it I understand they had to work hard to get to where they're at but there's an independent women that just want you to know that LOL
Okay so this question is over my head what do you mean threatened by I don't understand that fart
u Personally, I don't know *any* man who feels threatened by an independent woman, quite the contrary. In today's job world many couples like the security of a second income, or even depend on it.
But I can imagine this being a cultural thing for Muslim or archaic societies, that seem to evolve at a slower speed (if at all) in regards to equality. Recently I read that Saudi-Arabia just changed their laws to allow women to go to work or drive a car without a male chaperon. They realized their country has a limited supply of crude oil left and their future wealth depends on more people working and paying taxes.
Women don't need a man but they need child support.
Women don't need a man but they need alimony.
Women don't a man but cry in front of the divorce court because "they can't support themselves"
Women don't need a man but whore themselves out to millions of thirsty men on only fans.
Women don't need a man but they need special laws that turn men into legal slaves for women.
Women don't need a man but screech autistically when they spot a spider in the bathroom.
Women don't need a man but you are not a real man if you don't commit and instead fuck and leave.
Women don't need a man but you're a filthy, sexist, selfish pig if you prefer to stay single.
Women don't need a man but men who dump their pregnant girlfriends are irresponsible pieces of shit.
We are not afraid of independent women. We are afraid of repulsive mental nutcases such as yourself.
Actually it sounds more like you are afraid of the consequences of your actions.
Don't want to pay child support, don't knock up some chick out of wedlock.
Don't want to pay alimony, don't get divorced.
Don't want women to be part of the porn industry, stop supporting it.
Don't want to be held responsible for stupid decisions... don't make stupid decisions.
You realize that everything you mentioned goes both ways right? The family court system is fucked up, no one denies that, but everyone agrees that people should be held responsible for their own actions.
"You realize that everything you mentioned goes both ways right?" -- That would matter if both genders were identical but they're not. It reminds me of women complaining about men thinking they're whores, and saying, 'men do this stuff too'. Okay, but women tend not to care if a man acts like a whore or just quit being a whore yesterday so it doesn't matter. 99% of men would never take a whore seriously. Women don't seem to get it for some reason.
I like independent women, nothing worse than someone depending on me for everything and not being able to think for herself.
I do get a sense though of what your referring to. Women don't men at all, they can have kids without men, raise a family without men and get all kinds of government help being a single mom.
Men have zero way to have a child without women and many times the system is stacked against men, even if they do have a child as a single father.
When I was single there was on way I'd even date someone who wasn't independent, I didn't need some co-depency relationship where I come home from work and she wants my attention 100% of the time while I'm trying to de-stress.
We've evolved to be providers. Many of us find enjoyment and meaning in providing. And while there are some who may be intimidated, intimidated often isn't the right word. With all due respect, that's a word people use because they feel insecure that many members of a certain group aren't fond if a quality they harbor. It's a defense mechanism. Just like how homophobe came about. A phobia of homosexuality is very rare (cases in jail might be an exception). What they meant to say is anti-homosexual. But implying they have a phobia of homosexuals is demeaning and makes them feel better about doing so. It would be more accurate to say that many men are turned off by independent women.
Most men that feel a threat in my view are beta males. In people under 30 generally, most women tend to bully them. This starts to change when people get into their late 30s! I see a lady some! She works at one of the local TV stations near my home. Makes decent money and has two daughters 17 and 14. She and I both have made it clear we will never marry and just like being around each other AND her daughters are also great gals. I'm an Alpha male! I don't see men or women as a threat. Honestly, over the years I have found the average female to be a bit boring! I much rather be around an educated lady that can engage me intellectually! I have this message to the person that wrote this piece! If you are not finding a man that is secure in his manhood maybe you need to start looking for Alpha males and leave the beta guys alone! It is what it is, sorry if you find that offensive!
Right? I mentioned in a discussion how I didn't "need" a man and I'd be fine on my own and one of the men said that was ridiculous and all women would die without them. I didn't say I hate them, I said I don't need one for survival
@leosp5000 oh and you’re so much more skilled than everyone else?
The only tottaly independent woman are the lesbians or the virgins by choice), nothing more dependent to a men then the ones Who have sex. Even more so the submissive ones... it looks like people here only talks about financially independence, lol. Sexual dependente to the poing in having casual sex with Tinder is so modern independence lol🤣
@leosp5000 help with what? My mom's a certified mechanic, raised 2 kids by herself, and she finished highschool. We don't "need your help"
"In this day and age women no longer need men..."
That just isn't true, because we ALL need someone, not necessarily for financial support, but because if we spend all of our time on our own and try to live without actual physical contact, we'll go insane. Who wants to end up as a crazy old cat-lady? I don't!
No, you can take your "women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle" feminist clap-trap and... well, use your imagination :D
I’m talking about financial dependency not emotional..
The only tottaly independent woman are the lesbians or the virgins by choice), nothing more dependent to a men then the ones Who have sex. Even more so the submissive ones... it looks like people here only talks about financially independence, lol. Sexual dependente to the poing in having casual sex with Tinder is so modern independence lol🤣 i respect more the ones Who refuse casual sex and buy a vibrator, way more independent.
I think you have this wrong. Men aren't threatened by women who have good jobs, they don't like women who treat a man like a sperm donor and then want child support rather than him really having a role in the kid's life or not appreciating what the man brings to the relationship in terms of companionship.
I don't feel threaten by independent women. Sure go be independent, however if you want kids sooner or later your gonna have to make a choice. Sure you can hire nannies and stuff but when the time comes when you wanna spend time with your kids, they won't want to because they don't know you. Children even more so at a young age go by visiual contact so if your not their than don't expect that child to be that good of a kid. Yea you could ask your husband to do it but he's gonna feel the same way so you both need to make a choice. But hey to each their own, be independent idc
Most doesn't.
It's most likely a misconception and false assumption some female's make up in their mind, even between like minded to not get more insecure about their own worth.
The most common misconception is that someone is threatened/intimidated when something didn't go their way. like not being attracted or interested in them when they are in them. or for that matter fishing for validation confirmation.
That's just life. everyone doesn't like or are attracted to everyone. some doesn't have tome or are interested in bosting strangers ego.
A guy looking for a serious relationship would find the independence of a woman either meaningless or repulsive... depending to what degree we're talking about, because it means she has no good reason to be attracted to him except for sex. There are 3 levels of relationships: independence, dependent and interdependence. To be useful in a serious relationship you must be capable of interdependence, also know as team work.
”Do the men that are unhappy by this just want that level of control and for women”.
Get this right I’m not even financially stable now but I’m not unhappy about modern women financial status. I’m sad for them thinking that our main agenda is to make women our slaves and do anything for us without asking (lmfao what a joke). No matter how stable you are sleeping around doesn’t makes you more desirable as a woman if anything it makes you more slutty while for a man it’s the opposite.
The truth hurts but Men and women age differently. Men age like wine while women age like flowers. You’re life is yours but don’t complain later on how life is not fair
Awww I’m sorry you don’t like that women can vote and pay taxes. I’m sorry you want to control women with money. Otherwise, why care if someone is being a responsible adult?
Yeah no thanks. I don’t want the village bicycle. Keep coping.
@cheechee4me like i said earlier i feel sorry for the women that think once they’re stable they don’t need a man… if i didn’t cared that some women are wealthier than me why should I even give a damn about them being able to do all jobs they want and pay taxes etc… it just makes me feel sorry for them more, especially those that are devoted on proving the “women can do what a man can do” point, honestly it’s the most shallowest motivation i know to date … women are meant to follow mens lead naturally … if not then stop looking for taller stronger and wealthier men than yourself … it’s not by chance girls on social media tend to put 6ft n above nba player etc its not all by chance … best case scenario if you managed to get one who’s nothing to the guy i described above y’all won’t last for a long time i give you my word…
Please darling is your dad too and the men around this horrible with women also?… commanding one’s spouses isn’t something to be proud of… that’s not the reason people get married in the first place too LMFAO…
@Cheechee4me your definition of freedom is really funny… you should travel more around the world you’ll probably start thinking out of the box.. wish you the best
Well I’m sorry there are women like that. However, so are men and they’ve gotten away with it for a long time. Stop pointing the finger at women like you Jesus fucking Christ himself.
i don't think most modern men are threatened by independent women. In fact, most modern men prefer independent women. The only thing that modern men tend to be intimidated by are brilliant successful women.
by the way, don't ever think about the insecure, bitter, sad misogynists that believe that a woman's place should be the kitchen. These are the types of men who think that women should be inferior to men. They make terrible husbands
They are co-dependant. They have low self esteem and need your dependence on them to make them feel secure.
If a guy isn't needy and doesn't want to take care of a girl like she's their child they would be super happy you are independent. These days successful guys want successful girls on the same path as them. A girl with no career and no future is not hot.
it’s the type I tend to be attracted to, marry, date, relationships.
to me it goes hand in hand with confidence.
said it before, I like - Confident, Independent, intelligent, individuality, feisty.
I want to have the confidence in my partner that she can use those attributes and do stuff, last thing I want is someone I have to look after, would do my head in.
Also not threatened as those attributes also make for good subs lol
Women aren’t financially dependent on men anymore. Yes their dependent on their only fans which makes them more profit than us men who do hard work. I’m not threatened by independent women. But I do feel disgusted that in a way that our all knowing God favored woman over man. A man is expendable and useless. We were given extra testosterone and society uses that to tell us shit like we can’t cry and that we need to be strong. Not only society exploits that fact but so do women. Soon every man will literally feel worthless and hate himself for being born a male. And society is working towards that. Woman are merely the catalyst for that goal. All these problems would have been solved if God just gave an equal amount of testosterone to both sexes. But ofcourse God never loved man to begin with.
*the essence of fragile and toxic masculinity
When facts are given straight out they seem like toxicity to you people. This is the reality we live in.
The truth hurts
You won’t even back up you statement by your identity. You hide in the shadows of anonymity, not courageous enough to back up your own opinion. Let me know when you are mature enough to convey an original opinion biased on your own logic.
What does my identity have anything to do with this. What does my identity have anything to do with maturity. God the stupidity on this site grows day by day. Do you think if I have a 10 inch dick my statement would be more valid? Why do you moronic monkeys of this site always bash for going anonymous. It’s a feature and I’m using it. You literally made women look even stupider with that statement. Were you saying that I’m immature because I didn’t have the proof to back it up? Women make more money than men posting booty pics for men who god gave extra testosterone to. If it wasn’t for that extra testosterone. We men wouldn’t be viewed as rapists. You women wouldn’t be sluts trying to get an ego boost off of men. And man wouldn’t be so horny paying for only fans and shit like that. This is all the proof you need.
Men generally want to be the bread winner and the protector. It's in our DNA. That doesn't mean we don't want women to succeed, but there is always an extra amount of respect given to a man who takes care of his family. It's not necessarily fun to have this role, it's a lot harder, but it's how we prove ourselves.
Don’t need a man for anything anymore. Times have changed. Independent women work hard for what they have and they don’t need a lazy mooch either, they worked hard and won’t let things jeopardize that. They’re busy with raising kids without dads help or money and having a man around is just another task or chore to tend to, in my experience and opinion.
Guys are happy with a buffet of females online anyhow.
Women who scream and yell about how independent they are and how they don't need men seem to forget this when someone breaks into the house at 3 AM, or they are out to dinner on a date, or when they have a flat tire, or when the boat is sinking. In times like these they seem to magically need men, and throw a fit when men are smart enough to ignore them.
Nailed it! Also don't forget the army. I've not seen a single "independent woman" protect other women from the Taliban 😂
Yes. And the point about "3 AM" is exactly why no man should ever apologize for wanting a woman to make him a sandwich or clean a toilet. Women claim that we're all the same so everyone should do 50/50 or even that a man should do more housework because it makes her feel good. Nah, let's do the math... if I'm on call to risk my life for her that's worth something. So is all the other things I do that she has no interest in doing but she benefits from. Men shouldn't be reducing the value of what they provide just to make her feel "better". A couple can be a team.. but don't go thinking that you as a man aren't worth a lot. You are.
I'm not threatened by independent women. In fact, I prefer them.
In a relationship, I want my partner to be able to take care of herself, to make decisions without requiring me t o be involved. .. unless she wants me to. And I've been fortunate to find that type of woman in a couple of my relationships, including my current SO.
every time I see a woman say that she's an insufferable bitch
You got it! Bravo!
The moment they can't control their woman, who is practically a financial hostage and cooks for him at the mercy of him, it closes the gates of him abusing her or cheating on her. Making it possible to terminate a toxic relationship or marriage.
The women, who have at least some self respect don't settle for that. Why risk that? You want something? You go and get it.
Narcissists are afraid of independent people, not something that is limited to just men. Whatever the case, man, woman, gay, straight, intimate, or just a friend, a good person wants the people in their lives to be successful in everything that they do. Miserable people want everyone around them to feel inferior to them.
I'm assuming it's bc some men are insecure and they feel inadequate so to make up for it they try to provide for someone? Maybe bc it makes them feel like they're not in control? I honestly don't know. Just theories
No one is threatened by independent women. We're just annoyed by bitches who consider acting like fucking asshole as "being independent" and "being strong".
Anytime one of them start being a gigantic shithead and someone protests, she says that he feels "threatened". No, he doesn't feel threatened, he, and many men, are getting annoyed that women can be massive bitches and get away with it under the excuse of "being strong and independant".
Let's clarify something here - not being interested in a woman does not equal being "threatened" by her. No man is threatened by an "independent woman". He's just not attracted to her in a way that would compel him to pursue a relationship with her.
No such thing. In todays time women excert power over men but are still depending on them for everything. From the food on the table as most farmer are men, to their electricity and water working as most plumber and electricians are men. The very house women live in were most likley built by men.
In fact, The only women I percieve as useful are the ones working in health are while everyone else is just a user.
So to you the engineers, the doctors, the world leaders, etc that are women don't count.
I don't object to independent women so long as they don't blame me for their problems or demand I live up to contradictory or unlivable standards. Don't criticize me both for not rebuking other men's sexism and then for doing so and thus undermining your independence.
Hmm... You need to step into this day and age then kiddo, and stop living off your daddy.
Men aren't "threatened" by much. But most hate pretentious people, like you are appearing to be
Honey. My husband and I are doing very well in the house we bought with the down payment I saved for but thank you for your concern.
Why would independant women care what men think? They should be happy being independant.
I don't trust a womans word, so the only thing i would trust would be her dependance on me.
A woman who has nothing to lose from treating you bad is not one you should invest time or effort in.
This makes no sense.
So you want leverage to make sure your partner stays?
That is not a relationship that is a hostage situation.
Find one that doesn't have nothing to lose, besides you. That should be enough
If it isn't then kick her to the curb.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Women get offered a new "you" ten times a week. Losing "you" ain't that big deal to her. She already thinks she can do better anyway. The prospect of losing other things though is important to her.
But that is not a you.
That is another dude who is not you.
Girls complain that it's hard for them to find a decent guy because literally almost only trash looking for sex throws itself at them. They are not special.
You are.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 why should i prioritize female dating difficulties over male dating difficulties? Believing your special in the eyes of a woman is a setup or failure. Its 10 more dudes she thinks just as special as you if not more. Which is probably why men only persue them for sex. because they already been through that BS of believing she thought "you" were special
And this is why you will end up unsatisfied and unfulfilled
No one is telling you to prioritize their difficulties in dating.
First, unless you are talking with a girl with a strong social media presence, who post bikini pictures etc, she won't have those ten dudes surrounding her.
Second, even if she does have that social media presence do you really think you are the same as all the guys that desperately try to get her attention? They are not good choices and she knows it.
No more alone, unsatisfied and full of self hate than independant women have left me
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 My personal experience has taught me otherwise
Best of luck on your next one
who’s threatenEd? What a crock of sh1t!
Independent woman you mean women to take men to court and steal all their wealth and house and etc. after divorce?
Or when women says men that says quality and say that the guy should do this do that do this do that which means all the benefits that they like?
Oh yeah that’s really threatening.
Women pretend like they’re independent all they do is copy men and they think men will be turned on by their qualities that they look for in us but we’re not women.
Men love a girl who can carry her own weight. Issue is normally those girls are ugly/fat and/ or past age 30.
Yeah men financially exploit men and women both all the time. Yoh didn’t care until it started to backfire due to years of complacency on your part.
That’s what females do all they do is deny. When was the last time you saw a Woman admit to anything? You sound like you’re delusional you didn’t backfire to nothing Karen! and one day your mouth is going to get you milk Tysoned.
And you sound like you have a victim mentality
Whatever I am I seem to attracting a lot of young hot girls. I should been victim mentality a lot sooner then.
I’m sure you do, you just ooz confidence and masculinity….
Strange none of them stick around. Oh wait maybe because they were only being nice in passing until they found out all you’d do is bad mouth them. Really dude you sound like a doomer.
Are you stupid? When did I say women never exploit. NEVER! What I said was men have been exploiting everything and everyone for centuries. Sounds more like you’re in denial about thousands and thousands of years of screw ups by guys like you. You’re a loser and will continue to be because you’re a victim. People are attracted to survivors not weasel victims like you. Also most people who are honest don’t brag. They don’t have to.
See the Karen thing is pretty stupid too. You can’t just throw a term or a slang out whenever you don’t like what someone is saying. You’re right though, I definitely try not to do things that will backfire.
Men like you are so pathetic, you’re even screwing kids out of their child support now. What a screaming inferiority complex you are.
I don’t understand why you all pretty much say the same parroted things. I admit, Some women do take advantage of men. However, there are also plenty of men who take advantage of women. see when you say what you say how you say it- it makes you sound like a whiny crybaby bitch. People like you parrot because you don’t stop and think about what you’re actually saying. It’s boring and predictable. Nobody takes you seriously or respects you because you are thoughtless and shallow.
Okay so you’re a grown man who just threatened to punch me for telling you that men and women both are capable of screwing each other over? You twerp.
Sorry Subaru was directed at MJ.
Independence or selfishness? I don't think they should have kids for someone else to raise. In my case , I could watch the kid (or make him do the work of my business) . Studies prove women that have careers are more likely to cheat on their husbands.
Then you stay home and take care of them. Oh but that wouldn’t fit your agenda.
@Cheechee4me Sure , I love kids. We can play all day
Yeah okay then why aren’t you and take it from a stay at home parent- no it isn’t all fun and games. Your lack of respect for the work parents have to do is disgusting.
Sure studies show. Sounds like a misinformed red pill to me.
@Cheechee4me You sound like a feminazi
😂😂😂 wow I knew you were going to say something like that. You actually just called a housewife a feminazi. Lol. That is soooooo overused. Just because I have reason, doesn’t mean I’m a whatever stupid thing you say. Just that term makes you sound like uneducated trash. I actually feel a mix of pity, disgust and amusement by you. It’s like no matter what you’d just regurgitate that. Notice I said parents and not just mothers. That’s because I’m open minded and understanding enough to filter out any of your garbage and bias. But maybe that’s why I’m not alone like you.
@Cheechee4me what makes you think I am alone?
Sorry but it’s on your profile even. Besides most dudes who talk like you are.
@Cheechee4me Maybe I didn't update my profile. We are jumping to conclusions
Oh like you did when you called a housewife a feminazi. Haha you clown.
To be fair, I think the reason statistics may show that career women cheat more is because they're out of the house and interacting with more people. As someone who works mostly on my own, I definitely don't interact with as many people as most career people do, and can see how a SAHM situation is pretty similar. However, I've known plenty of SAHMs to cheat as well, and think it has much more to do with character and morals than occupation or lack thereof.
@aWes0MeNeSs I’ve not found any data to support that. There are professions that cheaters are more likely to get into though. Healthcare is one of them.
@Cheechee4me The problem with statistics is that they are easily manipulated to get the intended result people want, plus there are usually a lot of holes in them considering all they are essentially is a poll most of the time. There may be more in certain fields, but I still think character and morals largely determine whether or not someone decides to cheat.
If that's actually true then movies enjoyed overwhelmingly by men like the Alien or Terminator franchises and game series like Metroid or Tomb Raider would have flopped a long time ago.
The reason it seems men don't like "strong and independent" women is that some of them think that means being appalling human beings.
I have never seen the independent girl. Women that go to college are not doing so for independence. They are doing so for materialistic reasons. They will get with a guy making as much if not more money only to spend the money in such a way to make themselves dependent on a man even more. Women don't desire independence. Men do, and the proof is MGTOW.
I wanted a girl who wanted marriage and family.
Her job isn't her main priority.
If career was her main priority of her life and she plans to marry at 30-35... she wasn't my type.
And a mans job should be his main priority if he is a father and husband?
Yep. It's called biology
Nice speech kid. I wish you guys well in your complete and 100% total independence from needing men in all areas of life and situations. And all means all. Good luck.
No one said that but nice try
That’s not true at all men don’t care independence has made women more depressed and lonely than past generations we’re glad that we don’t have to support a grown ass person like they are little kids by the way women have had independence for a long time those women chose to be wives and mothers
I never said all men
No men are threatened by it
Some are
First many now it’s some smh are you making this up ass you go
None of them are women want men to care about that stuff so bad it’s laughable
😂 I’ll let you know when I wan your opinion. You’re the exception.
Yes yes we all know I’m the exceptional one but that other stuff we were talking about is completely false you failed to prove that they aren’t
Anyone who does not want someone to have the capacity to be free and independent lack the viewpoint of what it means to love. It seems they learned what love is but have never felt it, and if they have, they certainly forgot what it is.
Yeah men are so threatened by women because they are all so beautiful and intelligent and powerful and genuine and confident and women really are amazing. Men only hate women if they are jealous they can't be good at stuff like women can, you're right.
I prefer an independent woman. I cannot stand dating damsels in distress who cannot do a damn thing. I do not mind helping, but I cannot stand dependency.
I think its because with that statement implies women don't need relationships
I assume it's the other way around: they are too dependent, and unwilling to realize it.
And nothing I say or do will change it. So I make myself invisible to them.
How can someone be too financially independent?
Financially yes, emotionally no.
"How can someone be too financially independent?" By talking everytime, everywhere, by bragging, by being arrogant, by forgetting other Things that are important in a couples life. Is the same as a sucessful men only brags about his car, his NY house, his brand shirt... nobody cares about your independence, is Boring to talk like the men Who puts his BMW key at the dinner table
Because we can't be controlled and can't be forced to stay with a shitty partner now.
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