I for one am all for gender equality. I am calling on all men in the U. S. to help me fix a tremendous inequality immediately.
Men, join me in fighting for gender equality and help our feminist sisters by demanding women be legally obligated to register for the draft immediately.
This great inequality must immediately be tended to.
Now to answer your question. Men are afraid of gender equality because we know that's a loaded term. When feminists talk about gender equality what they really mean is female superiority. Men already know women are afforded privileges men aren't.
My plea to feminists is this: Help me end inequality between the sexes my sisters. In addition to fighting for women being legally mandated to register for the draft help me fight the following other inequalities:
1. Demand women pull out their own chairs, open their own doors, and pay their own way on dates. Men are expected to do these things for themselves, and women should be too. This tyranny can't be allowed to continue.
2. Demand women receive equal punishment under the law for crimes as men do. Help me my sisters in fixing this horrendous inequality. Why wasn't Jodi Arias for one sentenced to death?
3. In divorces where there are more than 1 child and neither the father or mother are drug addicts, prostitutes, or otherwise derelicts, mandate the children be split up 50/50 between the parents. We must fight for equality my sisters.
4. In fires, sinking vessels, and other calimities from now on it should be only children first. Then one man for every one woman getting to safety. It would be inequatible to expect men to sacrifice themselves for women and this must not be tolerated.
5. End alimony now. Women are independent are they not? No reason to leach off your ex husband. Support yourselves equally as men do. Also join with me in ensuring property in a divorce isn't split up 50/50, but equally based on the percentage each spouse made during the marriage.
6. No more affirmative action for women. This is another inequality that must be addressed at once!
Get the point? Things are already more than equal. If you want to know why men are insecure about feminism, these amongst other reasons would be why.
I'll leave you with a lovely quote by feminist Valerie Solanas- "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo."
0k feminists. Here's the part where you leave a comment, then block me so I can't respond. Ready? 3, 2, 1... and go!!!
I agree with everything except part of one and the last one. Whoever asks out someone on the date should pay for it, whether they're male or female. Also holding the door is just manners, I do that for guys lmao.
Also I believe affirmative action needs to be revisited and revised, but not completely done with. I recently talked to a guy on here who won't hire single mothers or any woman within child bearing years. There is still a need for some type of way to make that equal. Women can't take care of themselves if there's no way for them to make money.
There still is the wage gap and people like that man who won't hire women just because their gender. Things are not completely equal as you think.
That's no excuse for women to demand more from men, but we need true equality if you want the feminists to shut up.
@juniorsrosie Fair enough. I wrote this obviously to A. Piss off feminists as much as possible as I do in fact hate feminists. I find them to be odious and deplorable cu*ts.
B. Whenever feminists are faced with facts, they always resort to retoric which is a common tactic when one has been intellectually bested. They always spout some kind of retarded phrase like "read the definition of feminism". Which is always defined as "the belief in equality between the sexes." I wanted to show them what true equality looks like, and that it doesn't exist now, because things are already way more than equal.
No I understand. I'm for equality, but right now things aren't equal as you know. Some things are tipped in women's favor, some in men's.
Tbh the only thing that pissed me off was how you repeated "My sisters" a bunch. I don't know why.
@juniorsrosie As far as holding doors open or paying for dates, I have no objection. As for women being drafted I'm actucally firmly against it as I am women serving in any combat roll. I just love seeing the dumb ass look on the faces of feminists and corresponding comments when they realize that equality would also mean fighting and dying and being wounded in combat the same as men who didn't volunteer. I also like to see if the gears are turning and they realize that maybe total equality isn't such a good thing and they should knock off the BS about "fighting for equality". Sadly, I've yet to see one even come to the realization that women are afforded privileges that men aren't.
@juniorsrosie As for the employer you talked to... I can apoerciate where he's coming from. I'd assume he's most likely an entrapenur. I'd assume when he hires someone he's expecting them to be there Day in and day out, as he hired someone because he needs the help, vs having his employee inform him she's pregnant and is going to miss 6-9months of work. Now what? He can't fire or lay her off, and who's willing to take a temp position for 6-9months? Probably very few. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's understandable why he doesn't hire females of child bearing age.
I think women should serve if they have the same physical capacity as a man who is serving.
Just like how women can apply for the Air Force Academy, they should have to fit the physical requirements to serve. Just like men.
And I can understand his pov. But then don't go around and say that women have equal opportunities in the work force as men. Because you clearly know they don't.
That also ties back to the alimony. I don't agree with exes having to pay a dime if the woman can support herself. But in the case of a single mother, who can't get a job because people like that man won't hire her, alimony and child support are necessary.
If I expect men to die for my country I will as well. I'm not one of the females who doesn't know the reality of what they're asking when they ask for equality.
Also a lot of times child support won't cover the cost of living. And the mother needs to be able to stay afloat to support the child. That's why I brought up alimony along with child support in that case.
But it seems almost funny that guys will say women have equal opportunities and question why they can't support themselves. But then agree or understand why nobody will hire them if they're within child bearing years?
How are they supposed to support themselves without a job? That is not equal. That is discrimination by gender. It has logical reasoning, but it is still inequality.
@juniorsrosie Hey by their definition, I'm a feminist. Nothing I said that wouldn't fit into their BS definition of equality, so since I'm in favor of equality, by their definition that makes me a feminist. Lol. That's why I said my sisters. I am one in spirit with them as far as equality goes.
@juniorsrosie So, why would that be her ex husbands problem? Why should he support her?
Because she has his kid? Like I stated in the comment and even clarified in another comment?
You realize the whole reason that even became a thing was because women were typically staying at home with the kids to be a house wife, with no job, and when he divorced her she kinda can't find a job right away because assholes who won't hire her because she's female.
I literally already stated why in previous comments. either you didn't read it or understand it.
We have to transition to change. It can't just happen right away.
And you're not going to get anywhere if you try to piss people off like you stated you were trying to do in your original comment. Nobody will take you seriously.
@juniorsrosie Sure, and in 1945 I agree with the idea of alimony, when most women were housewives with little to no work experience or training. Today, kid or not, no way.
But how are they supposed to get work experiences if people won't hire them because they're in "Child bearing years" or a single mother?
Entry level jobs won't pay for a kid and her to survive.
There is still discrimination in the workforce, which you admitted. There is still a need for some form of affirmative action, preferably a version we revise. And there's also a need for feminism where things are actually equal, not turned in one genders favor.
Until that happens then women need some way to be supported since some men make the mistake of not hiring them based on gender
@juniorsrosie Don't really care if anyone takes me seriously. Feminism is a cancer. Those that propigate it are delusional. They hate men. Period. Anyone who actively solicits government and uses it as a tool to oppress me and my sex can rot in hell for all I care. Yes, I want to piss them off. It's the least I can do as there is no way anything is going to actucally change the damage feminism has done, nor is any politician going to even so much as seek to correct the mass oppression of males in this country. If pissing them off is the best that will likely ever happen, I'll take it.
@juniorsrosie as for affirmative action, I understand your point. I'm still wholly against affirmative action for women. Affermative action is nothing but reverse descrimination. No one should be granted work solely based on their sex, or race. Employment should be granted solely on the basis of who is best qualified. I think employees should be able to discriminate who they hire and don't based on other chriteria which they currently have legal right to do. For example criminal record.
But employers are discriminating on gender.
That is not something we could help, a criminal record is
As I previously explained employers are discriminating against women when they're choosing jobs just because she's a women. Not because she's less qualified
@juniorsrosie Also child support and alimony are 2 different things. I firmly believe a man should be financially obligated to all his chidren. I also think that child support should be figured not off a percentage of the fathers earnings, but how much does the child require to meet their needs. Needs being food, clothing, medical, school supplies. NOT shelter. If mommy can't provide shelter for the children, then the children can go live with dad, unless the courts have found him unfit. In that case he can pay for shelter too.
Alimony I'm wholly against. I don't care how tough a time mommy is having. Alimony as near as I can figure it is payment for previous use of ones vagina. Children need support, not mommy. Mommy can get herself a job and pay her own way in the world.
HOW IS SHE SUPPOSED TO GET A JOB IF PLACES WON'T HIRE HER BECAUSE SHE'S A SINGLE MOTHER AND WITHIN CHILD BEARING YEARS?
I put that in all caps because you seem to be ignoring that question.
Children do need their mother. Just as much as they need their father.
How about this situation. A wife isn't working because husband doesn't want her to. She's staying at home to take care of kids because someone has to. Husband divorces her. She's left on the streets with not job. She can't magically poof up a job because no place will hire her because, guess what? She's a single mom.
How is she supposed to survive? That is screwing over the mom in favor of the dad. Weren't you about things being equal?
Also child support isn't enough to cover the cost of living. I think I would understand that as the child of a divorced couple.
Oh and don't even suggest an entry level job. The paycheck with that isn't enough to support one person. Let alone two.
Also how is she supposed to get a job without any experience, since she was at home taking care of the kids while her husband was out?
This is a very real situation. Your solution to just toss the woman out on the streets because she was home caring for the children and unable to have a job is just compassionless. There's a reason more women are attempting to work and raise kids now. But it's people like that guy who won't hire them that hinder them. Also the fact that this is a transition stage to where women can stand on their own.
You can't throw people with no jobs out on the street. Especially if they're prevented from getting jobs by something they can't help
@juniorsrosie Not hiring someone because their a single mom is as far as I know illegal. If one has been discriminated against in such a way, they can hire a lawyer, or if they can't afford a lawyer, go to legal aid or another organization for help. If found guilty, then the employer will have to pay a fine + restitution or a fine + jail time+ restitution to the guilty party.
Children do need their mom as much as their dad, I agree. However if mom can't afford to take care of her children (I. e. Provide them food ect) then she should seek gainful employment so she can. In the meantime, the children can live with the father.
It's not the ex husbands job to financially support his ex wife kids or not. It is his duty to provide for his children, not his ex wife.
But you want affirmative action to be abolished. That is what makes that illegal. What are they supposed to do if affirmative action, or any law that replaces it, does not exist?
And so the wife should lose her kids because the husband has been restricting her from having a job? Or just because they divorced, which might not have even been her fault?
How is that any more fair than a wife getting the kids just because she female?
@juniorsrosie In your scenario, mom chose of her own volition to be a house wife no? It's no secret 50% or more of marriages end in divorce. Perhaps she should have chosen a different path. For example. Husband provided 100% of the income during the marriage. The wife did 100% of the domestic work. Why is she entitled to money after the divorce? Because she's in a tough spot? Too bad, so sad. No adult is another adults responsibility. She chose to be a housewife knowing full well the marriage could end one day. I'm pretty sure it's not too hard to get a job at say... Burger King, so why is she the husbands financial responsibility? She shouldn't be. The ex wife's difficulty in life is NOT her ex husbands problem nor should it be his responsibility to fix it.
Then perhaps the husband should've reconsidered marrying someone if he wasn't ready to pay alimony. I mean, 50% of marriages end in divorce right?
He chose to marry her and knew what would come out of divorce. Why should we feel sorry for him when he chose to give up half his paycheck to her?
Too bad, so sad
DUDE I LITERALLY ALREADY TOLD YOU DON'T EVEN MENTION ENTRY LEVEL JOBS. Sorry for all caps, but apparently you didn't read that in the first place.
Burger King is an entry level job. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ONE PERSON.
I've literally mentioned twice not to mention entry level jobs for that reason. That is not a good excuse. Please actually read my comments if we're having a discussion
13 minutes ago I said
"Oh and don't even suggest an entry level job. The paycheck with that isn't enough to support one person. Let alone two.
Also how is she supposed to get a job without any experience, since she was at home taking care of the kids while her husband was out?
This is a very real situation. Your solution to just toss the woman out on the streets because she was home caring for the children and unable to have a job is just compassionless. There's a reason more women are attempting to work and raise kids now. But it's people like that guy who won't hire them that hinder them. Also the fact that this is a transition stage to where women can stand on their own.
You can't throw people with no jobs out on the street. Especially if they're prevented from getting jobs by something they can't help"
@juniorsrosie I'll give you an example from my own marriage. My wife decided to do drugs, specifically heroin. In the process she also decieded to start hooking up with her drug dealer. She also refused to end the affair. I divorced her. As a result of her drug use, she was evicted from our old apartment, her car was repossessed, and she lost her job. Please give me one good reason why she deserves 1 red cent of my hard earned money. She's currently homeless I might add.
Reread my comments because I already answered that for you.
Hint the answer is I don't think she deserves it. But again, read my comments to find out why. Because I am not retyping everything out for you just so you can not read it.
And not everyone is a whore who cheats and blows money on drugs. That was bad what she did to you. But the females who are thrown out on the street don't deserve your cold treatment just because you've been scorned.
Also just like how you're saying women should know better than to not get a job while married since "50% of marriages end in divorce" I could say the same about you.
You should've known the type of women you were marrying. Oh she changed? Well then. 50% of marriages end in divorce so you should've predicted it am I right?
@juniorsrosie Now, we had no children, but suppose we did. Should a junkie get custody of the children? Should I have pay her money for her poor life choices? Suppose she was a house wife who had an affair but no drug use. Again, should I have to give her money, kids or not. The marriage would be ending because of her infidelity.
This is another evil feminism has brought about. The no fault divorce. No ex husband should be mandated to pay his ex wife alimony for any reason. Regardless of her difficulties in life after the the divorce, children or not.
Child support, yes, alimony, NO.
Again, reread what I said. I literally have already addressed everything you're bringing up.
I had agreed with you that someone shouldn't get a child based on gender. But why did you marry a junkie in the first place?
You're judging women for their poor choices when you've made the same ones, in a different scenario
@juniorsrosie Obviously she wasn't a junkie when I married her. That started 6 years into our marriage.
@juniorsrosie Negative ghost rider. My scenario is totally different.
But I mean, there was a percentage chance she would get involved with drugs. Knowing that, why did you marry her?
Compared to- Oh there's a percentage chance that you'll get a divorce, why do you marry them?
You didn't know she was going to be a junkie. And the wives didn't know they'd get a divorce.
you don't plan for things you don't think are going to happen. And if the wives are at fault, so are you in your situation
@juniorsrosie
@juniorsrosie Not a good parallel. There are statistics that say 50% or more marriages end in divorce. No well known statistics your spouse will become a junkie. Not something I considered.
@juniorsrosie No, no, no. I understand your logic, but it's wrong. Consequently I had a prenup which stated no alimony. I don't have to pay her a dime of alimony, but suppose I didn't have that.
One could reasonably assume their marriage will end in divorce, one can't reasonably assume it will end in divorce because their spouse becomes a junkie.
Yes actually they can since over 50% have tried drugs. You should've known better if you think women should've
@juniorsrosie This is also why I don't think guys should get married without a prenup. Guys stand to gain nothing if the marriage ends in divorce, women stand to gain everything. The solution is simple. No prenup, no marriage. Would you go sky diving if I told you only 50% chance the parashoot will open? Why would a guy marry with no prenup then? Dumb move to do so.
Why anyone would marry without a prenup is beyond me. Now judges are even throwing out prenups if they deem them unfair. Unfair LMAO. Like the ex husband put a gun to her head and forced her to sign it. Thank you feminism and woman's victim status for that.
@juniorsrosie Girl please. Drugs as in pot or Heroin and other hard drugs. No way is hard drug expirmentation is close to 50%.
Try all you want, there's no way I'm going to agree any person should ever get alimony PEROID. I know you like the idea of making a man pay you vaginamony and be responsible for your poor financial situations, but despite what a judge says or doesn't it isn't your ex husbands job to financially support you. You obviously think your entitled to his money. This is exactly way men are marrying in lesser rates than any previous time in history. Because guys are smartening up and deciding not to sign a contract (get married) giving the state the authority to destroy our lives. You should also be ashamed of yourself. If you think as an adult it's your ex husbands duty to pay your way in the world for any reason you're part of the problem. That's tyranny and you might as well go join the sisterhood with that mentality.
Maybe you should've "smartened" up and never gotten married in the first place.
It's your fault you got into that situation and your wife got into that shit. You should've known better since 50% of marriages end in divorce.
I'm sorry you're so bitter towards women. But since you'll never make an impact on the world it doesn't matter anyway
Also pot isn't a hard drug. There's a reason it's close to being legalized.
I agree with the large majority of what you said but I'll add my changes in brackets:
"Men already know women are afforded privileges [that] men aren't.
"3. In divorces where there are more than 1 child and neither the father or mother are drug addicts, prostitutes, [abusive] or otherwise derelicts, mandate the children be split up 50/50 between the parents."
Otherwise, everything else you said was well said.
its because a lot of guys on here are incredibly insecure. Really. Just look at the kinds of questions/myTakes guys are constantly writing on here. Feminism is threatening, because a lot of the guys can barely compete with the way things are now... let alone in a future where every woman can take care of themselves and don't need their help lol.
Stupid response. Men don't like woman wanting extra treatments... while also keeping their side of the bargain of 'equality'... aka them paying their own share on dates (unless the guy really wants to pay for her)... thats the posts your talking about. Quite being a white knight.
@Jamesol1 quit being a boy and man up. No one has time to be force fed this drivel... certainly not me
OH shut up with this man up crap. The point is... if feminsts want to push equality they have to live up to the down sides of it. Your the biggest white knight on this site. Any feminsts who agrees with what you are saying isn't a feminst. I personally don't mind the phrase but because they complain about everything... man up is also sexist if they want equality.
Accurate.
''let alone in a future where every woman can take care of themselves ''
Yet they still want men to pay for dates and everything else. that is what pisses off men... not the equality... its the downside of it they dont want to accept. Look how no women debates this and simply goes to the white knight cuck post to like it.
Hahahahaha this is perfect
@Jamesol1 I think you're protesting too much. you sound like a bitter, forever alone guy.
*thumbs up*
thanks for mho!
Because most men at least subconsciously treat women as possession. If women are empowered, then men will have nobody to feel superior over. And to them, considering the sick way they were brought up, it is unacceptable to not be dominant. Huh, that's why men fear confident women, because they effortlessly and indirectly destroy their "menliness" by intimidating them. They cannot be swayed like regular girl can, which takes away the only weapon guys have over regular girls: emotional manipulation. The society has taught men that they have to be powerful, confident, rich... Dominant. So their confidence requires a person (people) the men should compare himself with in order to feel superior. It's usually women who fill in that job. When a girl is confident she is an independent person, she doesn't need to surround herself with people "submissive" to her. That's why men hate confident girls/feminists, because they see them as rivals, as somebody who can defeat them and be more alpha then them. Social humiliation is cancer for guys. I study psychology, I know it.
The best part, though is them denying this. Just watch: they'll prove it to you know. Lol. I will not respond anymore. Because I know the truth and nobody can change my awareness of it. Just let them attack me like pre-school kids. Nothing more fragile than a guy's ego.
They were born physically stronger, (sometimes), wich they took advantage of in the Stone Age and set some "rules" that they don't wanna break because they like 'em and women are too scared to do anything about it because most of them have been brainwashed to believe that they are submissive. Like the virginity shit: a concept created by men to tame women and to secure their deep jealousy that is caused by their insecurity. They have tried to repress women since day 1, too deny their sexual, social, mental needs.
You know what? Idgaf! No man is more dominant than me, I assure you that. They can say whatever they want, those poor girls can still hate feminists who try to help them, but I know for myself: I will live a life the way I want it. Nobody and nothing can stop me.
And girls: it's not MEN who are oppressing you, at least not in the Civilized world in the 21st century. It's YOU who allows them. Peace
@alphadoggystyle Well said
It isn't "men" it's people who can see outside of the feminist bubble.
You are under 18, this is the time feminist love to indoctrinate girls because we are naive and believe without question. (Like believing in patriarchy, rape culture, and wage gap.)
Look up Cristina Hoff Sommers, Lauren Southern, and Cassie Faye. These women (like myself) used to be feminist and now see it for what it really is.
If you want reasons why "people" (not just men) are against feminism. Not threatened or insecure about it, that's a common feminist shaming tactic, here are reasons why you shouldn't be a feminist.
It is NOT about gender equality. Regardless of how many times you are regurgitated the "definition". No group suppresses women more than feminism. If you don't believe me, tell a feminist you disagree with her and see how much she stays willing to listen to you or let's you continue speaking without personal attacks.
Feminism also suppresses all attempts by men to talk about male issues which are real and severe.
It will marginalize male victims of rape and abuse by women.
It supports female false accusers.
It fabricates western issues and uses 3rd world women's actual issues as a scapegoat while not actually caring about helping those issues.
Groups like NOW shut down laws and prevent men from equal parental rights.
Gender equality is NOT a feminist agenda, although they pretend to have the monopoly on it. Do any research outside the feminist echo chamber and you will quickly see how bad feminism's ideology actually is.
If you want to hear a powerful woman who used to be a feminist and are actually interested in knowledge and not just adhering to feminist doctrine. Check out Cassie Faye on why doing the red pill documentary (initially in attempt to shame men's rights) made her stop being a feminist.
Also message me if you truly want conversation about feminism.
confirmed. he has a reputation for trolling on this board.
These kinds of trolls are what make it easy for some to justify the hate towards men. But I have seen these kinds before, and he is either a 14 year old unpopular kid who just wants to shur up shit to feel important, or he is a feminist claiming to be a male to try and prove that men are evil.
Likely the first one in this case.
Great answer!
The video is awesome. But if memory serves me, in this video she says that she is not a Men's Rights Activist as the thumbnail suggests, but she does support rights of both men and women. It wasn't until she tried to challenge the men's rights that she finally understood it as well. And she didn't let the few extremists get to her when trying to understand the goal of the red pill.
I think her reply was well thought out and executed. It made complete sense, and had a very logic base. I'm not sure what "AllAboutTheX" is hating about?
@Triathlete Not sure who you thought I was hating on?
Because when you're privileged, equality feels like oppression. Women demanding respect rather than being agreeable kinda makes life harder for them, see?
The other day my MUCH older coworker was harassing me, asking why I wouldn't go out with him, is he too ugly for me, etc. I was trying to be professional and nice but he wouldn't leave me alone. It was frustrating because, why wasn't my simple "I'm not interested, thanks" not enough for him? Finally I politely told him that he was just too old for me (in reality, that's true but also I just find his personality rather repulsive). So he responded "age difference, huh? We can work around that." And while I'm normally very sweet and soft spoken, I snapped. "No no no. You do NOT get to decide that my reason isn't good enough for you!" I can honestly say that without feminism, I wouldn't have had the knowledge to recognize his bull or the confidence to call it out.
I follow Feminists United on Facebook and it's the truest feminism I could imagine. The admins and all the followers call out sexism and injustice against ANYTHING - women, men, poc, etc. Even in the comments section, everyone stands up for everyone's rights. There's no "female superiority" or whatever.
There's my rant for the day. Have fun.
curious what are your respective ages/
I'm 24 and he's somewhere in his mid 40s.
how did he respond when you snapped
He quietly went "yes I can, because I'm a human being with opinions" or something like that. Then I left and now he doesn't bug me as much (still does a little, but whatever it's a start lol).
this is harassment, report him
I will if it gets out of control again. My coworkers all mess around with each other, so I don't want to be seen as the person with the stick up their butt. But if it gets as bad as last time, where he was following me around my entire shift, I'll definitely tell management.
be careful he seems like a creep. perhaps secretly record him pestering you with your phone as evidence.
You're still getting downvotes a lot by men on here because as I was saying... a lot of men on here are bad with women, so they empathize more with the shitty guy in your story than they do with you. That's the world we live in
@Negrodamuss your original post was spot on, a lot of bitter and insecure guys on this site.
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i think men are more so threatened by what they perceive to be a huge number of feminist who aren't actually feminist but are really women who want women to have more power than men
@Harpesian thanks i guess
Yeah lots of guys on here are mistaking feminists for misandrists.
@danyalovettie44 yup. a lot of women (people) call themselves feminist but aren't. this "third wave" feminism and feminazi stuff are all just poseurs.
a feminist. a true feminist is simply about equality
You are absolutely right. From taking an AP U. S. History class at my school, I learned a lot about the feminist movement and it was very different from the "third wave feminism"
I got trolled like eight times on here trying to explain what you just said to a few gaggers
@danyalovettie44 yeah good luck. i've been in plenty of those conversations. i try to steer clear of those conversations with those people since i know it won't usually go anywhere
I think men just don't like when women take it to the extreme and still expect men to play their gender roles when women are not willing to do the same. I don't think the actual idea of feminism is something men dislike or feel threatened by. They just don't like feminist execute it.
I don't think too many men have an issue with gender roles or gender equality. But it's not really equality when you expect men to stay in their lane with gender roles yet women can do whatever they want.
Truth. Kudos sister.
Apparently you have yet to learn that modern day feminism is but just a fart of what it used to be. I'm am all down for equality between all 42132 genders or whatever but what they're fighting for today is not equality.
The radical feminists outnumber, out-yell and outperform the 'normal' ones to the point when you're left with the impression that they're the only kinds of feminist left. The kind that labels office conditioners as patriarchal and sexist.
Men have problems with THAT ''feminism."
Because of the misrepresentation of feminism by actual people claiming to be feminists. Girls who scream equality and then turn around and put men down, expect their meals to be paid for, and constantly victimize themselves.
If feminism were for equality it wouldn't have the word "femin" in it. Egalitarianism is true equality.
@ADFSDF1996 I never denied that. Feminism is a core specific group.
@ADFSDF1996 and by that I mean they focus on specific issues relating to a specific demographic, feminism in its original foundation was intended to create an world where women had equal rights to men, which was interpreted as equal rights overall as they lacked many rights of their own. Denying that is asinine, but if we're talking third wave then yes, their prerogative is messed up but the core values of feminism are not evil - and this is coming from an Egalitarian herself.
You do know original feminism had connections to racism right?
@ADFSDF1996 Yes, but that wasn't because of feminism itself. It was the irrational beliefs of white people during that time period that refused to address the issues of coloured women. It was the time, not the cause.
I still don't think feminism was actually thing, it was biased sinccitconky focused on women's rights, it viewed men as expendable.
*since it only
Sorry for that typo/autocorrect.
@ADFSDF1996 I think you need to do your research dude.
I already did, Egalitarianism predates feminism. If they truly believed in equal rights they should have called themselves egalitarians.
@ADFSDF1996 I'm not talking about the current sense, and even so you have to consider that there are essentially different factions of feminism. Historically speaking feminism was a very positive movement that did a lot for our modern world, and to completely deny that... well, you're not much better than a radical feminist who refuses to see outside of her own biased opinion.
But that's just how I see it.
It was individual women that contributed to the world, not feminism itself. I am taking about the first feminists as well, they should have called themselves Egalitarians and they should have truly believed in equal rights, then probably there wouldn't be feminazis today. Civil rights activists and SJWs aren't the same.
@ADFSDF1996 I can see what you're saying, I'm just very used to dudes who have a poor-sucker attitude who just assume all feminists or women of the feminist movement just hate men and all that jazz, ya know?
you know feminism and equality for men doesn't exist Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. So when women say that they want equality for men that's a lie.
and I'm not saying you said it I've just heard other women say it
it maybe equality for the women because you're trying to help out you're own female gender but that does nothing for the equality for the men if a woman wants equality for the men and the women you would have to be an egalitarian period not feminism or a feminist
@CancerianMan81 Well this is how I see it: egalitarianism is overall what I support, but I don't deny the need for core specific groups an organizations. There are places that need FEMINISM, and many Western feminist organizations help support the people in said places. That's like getting mad and saying "You can't support only one type of cancer, you have to support all cancers."
Yes, it sounds better but it's not logical. I overall think everybody should be egalitarian, there should be an egalitarian group and organization to address all gender issues, but I see no harm in there continuing to be REASONABLE feminist organizations in the right places supporting the right causes.
That's why MRAs are needed as well since they actually care about men.
but the problem with that is putting labels on shit
@CancerianMan81 I can see what you mean.
also instead of having women do their part and men do their part is whats driving a wedge between the genders
@CancerianMan81 In fairness there are men in feminists organizations, they are just primarily represented by women - but I don't disagree.
recently I've said this to a woman do you think I give a shit oh but they just can't handle me because of what i say if they can't handle what I say I'd hate to see what it's like if they were out on their own if they can't handle what i say then they can't handle life all that well me I'm not weak minded anymore I've filtered out negativity in my life and I'm not afraid of doing it even more and whenever I see bullshit I'm going to call it out and if people can't handle that then their in for a rude awakening and by the way it's time women start sucking it up I'm not the one with the perceived notion that i want excitement to try and change somebody
another thing that's driving a wedge between both genders is women thinks being in competition with men is a good thing when it's not
@Mrwoo99 and they shouldn't get special privileges for the sake of being a woman cause in the real world you have to work for it but you'll hear most of these women say that what kind of reality you living in and I will go as far as to say in a reality where there ain't no free hand outs
@Mrwoo99 Lmao.
@CancerianMan81 yeah I have a vagina and I was not raised to believe anything was going to be handed to me, gent. I work for a living and have paid for more dates than I have hd dates paid for, for me. So not all women have that shit mentality.
well I know that that's why i said most women and not all women
@CancerianMan81 Maybe I'm just surrounded by awesome women then because literally most of my personal family and friends are the same as me. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying there aren't women like that but at least have some faith in us, shit you two sound like you hate us. Lol.
no I don't hate women I love ya's I really do
@CancerianMan81 I get that there's chicks like that though. www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a31061-4-reasons-why-i-ll-never-date-a-guy-who-doesn-t-pay-for-the-first-date
Invite you to read that take, and my response to it.
just some of the things women do irritate the hell out of me
okay now if I had to pay for our date do i get to have sex with you
@CancerianMan81 I wouldn't let you pay for our first date, I'd insist we split. But if you INSISTED on paying, then no I still would not think it's okay for you to ask for sex. Because I offered to pay my half, and you insisted on paying, therefore the meal is essentially a gift.
Besides sweetheart I am worth more than a meal at a diner, sorry XD I don't fuck dudes I'm not in love with even if you insist on buying me something. Because I don't have the mentality that a guy SHOULD buy me shit and will insist he doesn't have to, but if he really wants to as a nice gesture then that's gift-giving. I have insisted on paying for guy's meals and drinks before too, I didn't expect anything because I OFFERED to pay for it. I would expect the same manners out of him if he absolutely insisted on paying. Potato salad = pussy, especially if you insist on paying when I offer to pay for myself.
I was just giving an example sweetie cause a lot of women would say no you don't get sex if say men have to pay for the first date or if it were 4 or 5 months into the relationship and she would say no you don't get to have sex that to me would be a double standard
and by the way I understand
@CancerianMan81 I see the logic in your theory, but realistically no woman is going to feel that her body is equivalent to a single meal - even though people don't have monetary value. I agree that if a girl expects a guy to pay for everything that she is essentially selling her time, but I still wouldn't go so far as to say if you buy her a steak that you can fuck her immediately either. HOWEVER. If you do buy her dinner I think she absolutely should be paying for your next date as equivalent exchange and she should be showing a lot of gratitude since that's a super nice and unnecessary thing to do.
but how I look at it a woman like that can be left out cause to me that wouldn't be equal at all I mean not saying sex is the answer I was just giving an example
It's not really about equality anymore. The message is lost and it's more about superiority. Most of these so called "feminists" expect men to stay true to their gender roles, while women can do whatever they want. They cry about free meals, manspreading and other issue when they aren't willing to do the same. It just creates more conflict between the sexes when there isn't any need. It has become about female superiority.
Because women can do so much already they don't want to lose anything.
Men have no problem with gender equality or feminism, what men do have a problem with is extreme feminist using feminism as a means of gaining superiority or men. Feminist are all for equal rights except for when they don't benefit from it.
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but that isn't feminism
I don't know it seems chill with me. i don't pay much attention to it.
Feminism isn't gender equality, it's biased. It only cares about women's rights and it's misandrist movement. Egalitarianism on the other hand, is gender equality.
Simple answer: we're not threatened by it, we're annoyed with it.
First off, it isn't equality. You want equality? Fine. Same standard across the board for military service. Man needs to run 2 miles in 13 minutes for a 100/100 score? So do you. As it is, when I was in, if I kept up and in fact beat women my age by a few seconds, they could pass with a 100/100 and I would fail.
VERY telling is how ONLY NOW is there any large scale discussion of the end of the draft in mainstream media, AFTER it is suggested that women must register for it. JUST to have the same civil rights as a woman, a man has been compelled to register to go to where he could die in fucking training (one died in my basic training) just to be able to vote, apply for a student loan, I'm not sure what else, drive? Maybe, I just did it because I was told I had to or there were legal consequences.
You want equality? How about no more automatically getting custody of kids in a divorce? My father: eminent scientist. My mother: abusive alcoholic. She had custody until i could provide police with evidence that she bit a piece of the skin of my arm off. 16 years. Her OWN PARENTS spoke against her at the custody hearing. She still got it. You might say, "Oh, but that's anecdotal." You're right. It's also representative of countless other stories from men I know, many with women worse than my own mother, who got the kids.
There used to be a social contract for both sexes. Now, women have completely shirked every aspect of their side of it, while constantly bemoaning the fact that after decades of tolerating it and adhering to their end of the social contract, men are saying fuck that.
We are sick and tired of your shit.
Women can reject a man for not looking like he lives in the gym when they are fat as fuck.
Women reject a guy for his height, publicly mock his penis size, or reject a man for losing his hair, all beyond his control and about as legitimate a reason to denigrate someone as the color of their skin. But if we don't want you because you're fat or have another man's kids, COMPLETELY within your control, we're awful.
Just the fact that a man having sex is referred to as getting lucky speaks fucking volumes about the piss poor fucking attitude of women and the dumb shit ideas inhabiting the feeble minds of their thoroughly cucked male enablers.
Threatened and insecure? Cute attempt at projection. No. We're just don't with tolerating stupid ass fucking cunt bullshit.
Imagine the following: There is a guy who says he is all against violence, etc. - yet is easily brought to las out and punch someone.
Would you still think he is against violence? Or would you judge him by his actions?
The majority of people do the second. They judge the actions of feminism and those actions are vile and hateful - especially by those who are in control of the movement (= those who have media coverage, influence on policies, etc)
And no, this is not a modern occurance. If you read quotes from the 2nd wave feminism (60s) onward there is a whole ton of vile and hateful statements being spewed. To give you a few examples:
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” ~Robin Morgan
“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” ~Valerie Solanas
“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” ~Andrea Dworkin
“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” ~Susan Brownmiller
“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” ~Sharon Stone
"AIDS education will not get very far until young men are taught how not to rape young women and how to eroticize trust and consent; and until young women are supported in the way they need to be redefining their desires." ~Naomi Wolf
"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together" ~Linda Gordon
Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’" ~Judith Levine
The second issue I have with feminism is that I simply do not think equality is in anyway functional nor desirable. You can read it my opinion here: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a22687-why-i-don-t-believe-in-equality
@Asker
Try harder, if you want to troll and steer up people.
its a legitimate question but truth hurts huh bro ;)
@Asker
"legitimate question".
Nope, lol.
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my question is legit you can't handle the truth and you seem so defensive.
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I am just enjoying your failed attemps to troll. I think you can do better though.
im not trolling but if I were you're not worth the effort. :)
Because no one is threatened by gender equality, they are threatend by rampant gender inequalitys which feminism perpetuates and in fact lobbies for. Your statement is circular, your presume that men are "threatened" by gender equality and now you ask why they are threatened by you never actually considering that their is a very very valid reason to be against it. Your conclusion is your premise. For instance feminist claim women couldn't vote because "sexism" completely ignoring that men couldn't vote either (which would mean that since both parties could not vote this is not descrimination against one particular gender). It ignores that the reason why men got the right to vote first in 1853(a whole 67 years prior to women (on the federal level as many states actually did give women the right to vote) was due to the fact that men had always had greater responsibilities like being conscripted against their will into police posse and the restraining of criminals, bucket brigades as well as recue teams for fire department and of course the most well known one military conscription, all of them dangerous all of them against their will. Women in fact argued against the right to vote specifically because they liked not having to endanger themselves at the demand of the government. So this is a big whole in the narrative told by feminism. It continues from their with the fact that they complain that their is not enough women in politics or CEOs ignoring the fact that this is by choice and that their are also no women working in mines (the statistic is that its 80% male workers but if you actually look at where these women are they are all in managment positions i. e. not doing the dangerous physically grueling labor) or oil rigs, or waste managment and sanitation and police, fire, military (despite them being fully capable of entering), or construction i. e. the hard dangerous jobs. Thats a glaring whole as well. They ignore the fact that women comprise more then 60% of all college graduates while claiming they are some how the ones being oppressed, ignoring that according to the CDC and the NCVS as well as many other organizations both in the US and the UK that show that men are far more likely to be the victims of domestic violence (70% of all nonrecipricol violence between intimate partners is perpetrated by women)
despite the fact that in most places their are next to no shelters or hotlines for men and even laws like the "violence against womens act" which not only do not protect men in these situations but actually make them the one punished even if they are the victim. Thats not even getting into things like the Hermsmann vs. seyer landmark law case that stated no matter the circumstances a woman was entitled to child support (the case was a babysitter who raped a 12 year old boy, she won and he was forced to pay child support to his rapist). It ignores the fact that men have next to no parental rights and no reproductive rights while their are laws that cater specifically to women to the detriment of men even when those men did nothing wrong. Thats why so many people are against feminism, because its sexism, its a hate group that has massive influence and has historically and presently used this influence to harm men to the expressed benefit of its members.
he question isn't why men hate feminism, that should be obvious (its out to hurt them for no justifiable reason) its why do feminist hate men so much? Why do women not ask questions and look to the experiences of their lives and realize that its men who do everything for them, from sacrificing themselves to protect them to sacrificing themselves to provide for them. Why do feminist not want to listen to counter arguments? For the same reasons liars try to silence the truth, it will show them for what they truly are. I would recommend taking a non bias approach and honestly thinking about these issues before fully embracing feminist ideals because they really are nothing more then a hate group. Look up Karen Straughn or Dr. Warren Farrell, is a good start to learn the truth about feminism.
This isn't just a controversial topic on GAG. It's a popular topic in general over the last few years. Although it's generally lumped in with social justice in general.
There is no patriarchy in the west. Let's be real here.
Third wave feminism at it's worst IS cancerous. At it's best its simply not needed.
Women have all the same legal rights as men. In reality, women actually have more rights than men in regards to child custody and divorce issues. You can't actually stop people from thinking misogynistic thoughts or showing favoritism towards men in a non legal sense. That would be thought policing and not only is it impossible to enforce, but even if it were possible, it would be some hardcore 1984-level authoritarian bullshit that would completely ruin society.
This is what feminists aren't understanding. They've already won. They've fixed all the legal issues they had and since we've already established you can't enforce thought policing, nor should you... what is there to really fight for in western society in regards to gender equality?
This is all from a rational standpoint. Beyond that, you then have all sorts of feminazis, women that literally talk about how all men should be dead or castrated, women that argue that women are naturally attracted to other women and that attraction towards men is a social construct, etc.
You have feminists like Anita Sarkeesian lying their asses off and attempting to censor video games and other forms of media. You have many feminists groups attempting to silence conferences and gatherings related to men's issues and other various forms of being completely insensitive to any issues men deal with.
Feminism, much like Black Lives Matter and other forms of social justice don't really want equality. They want some warped form of justice.
I'm a straight white male and all of these groups make their message loud and clear that I'm a privileged piece of shit in their eyes and I should feel guilty for everything and that myself and many others like me will always be the enemy.
This doesn't sit well with me. It doesn't sit well with many others.
I fully believe in all forms of equality. ACTUAL equality. Not whatever it is the SJW/feminist/BLM people think they are aiming for because most of it is incredibly misguided and full of shit.
People in general need to grow thicker skin and accept the fact that THEY need to adjust to society. Society shouldn't be expected to adjust to their special snowflake asses.
An analysis of your question:
[Presupposition] and [something politically neutral to associate and conflate with the presupposition in order to give it a sense of moral authority and mass public support].
List and explain some reasons why [presupposition] and [false equivalent].
Let's plug and play, this should be fun:
Why are women so bad at logical arguments and don't end up pursuing careers in computer science or engineering as much as men?
List and explain some reasons why women are bad at logical arguments and don't end up pursuing careers in computer science or engineering as much as men.
Why are Democrats so gullible, and why do they usually consider themselves liberal or progressive?
List and explain some reasons why Democrats are so gullible, and why they usually consider themselves liberal or progressive.
Why are Republicans misogynistic and racist, and why do so many Republicans watch Fox News?
List and explain why Republicnas are misogynistic and racist, and why so many of them watch Fox News.
Why is the only thing men care about sex, and why is sex important to men anyway?
List and explain some reasons why men only care about just sex, and why sex is important to men anyway.
I can keep going, but hopefully it's transparent at this point what the intentional or perhaps unintentional mistake was in the phrasing of everything about this questions. And of course, it was predictably followed by mostly mindless responses of half awake people typing, "Oh, yeah, let me just first walk into the mouse trap and then give an answer to a question that already presupposes the truth of it's proposition. So, I guess, even before answering the question, everyone sort of agrees that 'feminism' = 'gender equality,' and that men are threatened by it, and the reason they are threatened is because it is destroying the patriarchy."
"Feminism" isn't the same thing as "gender equality." Feminism seeks to give women "more rights" than they currently have, without giving women any more "obligations."
"Gender equality," on the other hand, seeks to ensure that each and every gender has "the same" legal rights "and legal obligations."
Those two things are very different, and the reason people (men and women) feel so polarized against "feminism" is because they can see it for what it is... a "pro-woman" agenda... masquerading as a "equality"
"feminism is cancer and is undermining the patriarchy"
Yes.
"list and explain some reasons why men are so threatened and insecure about feminism and gender equality in general?"
Sure. But see here, feminism =/= gender equality. Now that this is out let's take a look,
1) Feminism claims gender equality yet, men's issues get a severe minority of the attention. Let's look at the femen outcry... rape. You should probably know that men get raped more than women in the US (thank you prison). Obviously, rape is a bit touchy since it's severely under-reported.
2) The retarded consent laws... if a man is drunk and so is a woman, a drunk woman is unable to give consent so technically, it is rape. Yet, the drunk man shouldn't be able to give consent too? Realistically speaking, you're telling the world that drunk sex is rape. Alright, a lot of people get drunk and have sex no-one thinks of rape... except feminists.
3) Speaking of consent, how much of a battle are feminists giving women who withdraw consent? Meaning, when a woman consents to having sex with a guy only to feel guilty about it later. Are they spreading awareness that withdrawn consent is not rape? Or are they just spreading that drunk sex is rape?
4) Family courts are a disaster for men due to outdated laws. I know this gets brought up a lot but, it is an issue we face as men.
5) The bullocks named "gender wage gap" please explain to me how men don't deserve to be paid more than women considering that the top 5 highest paying majors in upper education are all male dominated except pharmaceuticals while the lowest 5 paying majors are all female dominated except Theology... without mentioning that men are way more likely than women to die in the workforce plus the fact that men work more hours than women.
6) Breast cancer awareness is by far much larger than prostate cancer awareness. Considering that statistically, they're almost identical. Being 1 in 7 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer while 1 in 8 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer. Breast cancer gets much more funding ($572.6 million vs $285.4 million).
7) Need I mention suicide?
Feminists pushed so far where women are disadvantaged but how about where they're advantaged? That's not equality, that's gender supremacy. A gender supremacy group is in fact a cancer of society. The patriarchy is a stupid concept in which they can blame men without appearing sexist.
Modern feminism what it is is a ruthless grab for power by greedy women with daddy issues. No, we’re not talking about the right to work, vote, or own property—we’re talking about modern feminism (it’s called by many names).
Modern feminism has, and always will be, about giving more power to women and taking power away from men. This takes many forms:
●Economic power
●Social power
●Political power
●Physical power
At first, it was economic power—women simply wanted the right to work. Then, it moved onto political power, hence the 19th Amendment to the Constitution. These were both legitimate pursuits, but beyond this, it’s all been a grab for power.
Despite women having a gigantic 3:1 advantage against men in STEM fields (due to gender quotas), the feminist media is STILL clamoring for more laws to be put in place regulating jobs. Women have always had more social power than men, but it’s only become worse with the modern slut-glorification and vanity of women—and how men can’t speak out against it, lest they lose their job.
And don’t even get me started on divorce rape or domestic abuse disputes. Yes, clearly some men are abusive and belong in jail, but there’s a huge amount of evidence showing that men are unfairly treated in these cases, even if a woman simply claims that he did something (despite being his girlfriend for 5 years).
So, it seems that in addition to having more social, economic, and political power than men, they even have more physical power over men by proxy of beta male white knights and police officers. Clearly it’s time for a change.
The massive amount of backlash that I expect this draft to receive will do two things:
●Make women realize that they actually do need men for some things
●Start pushing some feminist supporting men into seeing the hypocrisy of modern feminism
As this potential draft becomes more and more mainstream, it will also become the hot topic for casual banter, and will likely cause some heated debates. There’s no way that every woman in the US won’t know about this come New Year’s Eve.
I believe that this will start to begin the process of unbrainwashing women. Yes, it isn’t a lot, but it’s definitely a huge jump in the right direction. Striking fear into the hearts of women all across the USA will make them realize just how much they appreciate men.
Expect primal masculinity to start making a comeback—as more and more women become terrified, and realize that they actually do need men to protect them, our culture will slowly start to value men more and more.
Particularly, high testosterone men that are capable of fighting, which is just what we need. It seems that sometimes the pendulum has to swing way too far to the left (modern feminism) before it comes back to sanity.
This, combined with Trump’s presidency, will lead to a huge restoration of a society that’s in line with biological differences within the next 8 years.
“Donald Trump stopped the female draft? What? There’s no way he’s sexist, now!”
This pathetic attempt at making a female draft the same as feminism, and riling up women to the point that they’re eager to get drafted, will only give Donald J. Trump a chance to be the savior of every single woman in America.
Imagine it: Breitbart, ROK, Info Wars, and all of the alt-news comes out with a massive headline: “President Trump Vetoes Female Draft!” How could a woman NOT love him for this?
Of course, the mainstream media will likely remain silent on this matter, or somehow try to blame Trump for the bill in the first place, but by this point it won’t even matter—the damage will have been done. Women will have lost their faith in “Daddy Government’s” best intentions, and they will have their faith restored in “Daddy Trump,” as Milo Yiannopoulos calls him.
By the time that Trump is in office, and has the chance to veto this ridiculous bill, the MSM will be even closer to death than it was before. As alternative news sites start gaining more and more political and social influence, expect the news that Trump is responsible for saving women to spread like wildfire.
Even the most die-hard feminist does NOT want to be drafted; she’ll gladly tie her hair up into pig tails, twirl them innocently, and proclaim: “B-but you’re a big strong man! I don’t want them to hurt little old me!”
The elites are too insulated to see this—they don’t realize the massive backlash that this bill will cause, which brings me to my next point about how the media will report it. The media’s predictability is entirely laughable, and yet somehow, they seem to keep doubling down on their crumbling narrative. Expect headlines like the following to be blasted all over the news:
●“Beyoncé supports the female draft!”
●“Feminists fight for their country!”
●“She’s fighting to protect her little girl.”
●“Female brigade prepares to fight against sexist Putin, leader of Russia.”
Regardless, the media hasn’t learned anything from the past six months of trying to stop Donald Trump, so don’t expect them to change anytime soon.
Despite the obvious ridiculousness of what they’ll be proclaiming, you can bet that they’ll run their narrative into the ground.
This will only further bring about their demise, because obviously no woman in her right mind (even a feminist) wants to be drafted. This is the one thing that separates the men from the women: our ability to protect the tribe. As more and more people start seeing how controlled the media is, expect the alt-news to grow even more.
Over the past several years, the media has been going full steam ahead, trying to portray every single man as a rapist. In fact, as others have noted, it’s not uncommon to see posters all over college campuses, saying something like the following:
●“Susie and John had been drinking, and then they had sex. The next day, John was arrested for rape. DON’T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!”
●“Susie had a drink, and invited John back to her place. Little did John know, that was rape.”
●“One in four women on this campus has been raped. Stay vigilant!”
Obviously this is complete propaganda, but despite this, it’s been brainwashing young and impressionable college students to buy into the “all men are rapists,” frame. The draft being vetoed, however, will begin the process of lessening this.
I believe that once Donald Trump vetoes the draft (which, I promise you, based off of his values, he will), women will feel a surge of relief, and some of them may start to realize that not all men are, in fact,
... rapists. Some are actually normal guys that are just trying to protect them.
As more and more men start to wake up and realize that feminism is a hypocrisy, and as more and more women start to question their conditioning, I believe that we will begin the process of transitioning us back to a normal, patriarchal society. We’re on the path to victory, boys.
Gender equality and equal opportunity is awesome and I 100% encourage it. But I also tend to think that the way feminism is going about it just isn't the answer.
Basically feminism, in it's attempts at getting rid of the cultural gender roles, are also shaming people for following by their BIOLOGICAL gender roles. They're starting to shame other women for being emotionally expressive, supportive and nurturing. Just as they shame men for being proactive, dominant and action-oriented. In doing this, they destroy what both genders stand for and their places in the world. They operate under the idea that they're trying to encourage the freedom to be yourself, but all they're doing is shaming people **FOR BEING THEMSELVES**.
Many men don't feel like men anymore because they were fist-fed that being masculine equates to being a jerk or a big-head. Yet they look at these masculine women and wonder why those women can be like that but he can't.
Meanwhile, many women are deeply troubled in their lives because they want to be taken care of and able to emotionally invest in a man she trusts. Yet, her friends and family pound it into her to stop being a "weakling" and be a "strong independent woman" and so she feels trapped.
We are threatened or insecure in the slightest when it comes to feminism. We just recognize the fact that gender equality is impossible and will never happen because men are vastly superior to women. We are much stronger both mentally and physically than women are.
And the reason men "complain" about it is because to achieve the so called "equality" we have now in western society, there is a requirement to discriminate against men. Men are the main tax-payers, we do all the hard physical labour and dangerous jobs, we maintain security as the majority of the police force and armies. women simply cannot handle these things, and they also use up so many resources with all the welfare required for them to compete with men, child support and wasted college educations etc. Its not a smart economic decision to devote sources into educating women and prioritizing highly valued positions to them with quotation laws, when you can have a more reliable man doing the same job but better due to mens higher average IQ and longer durability and time as part of the workforce.
Feminism is not sustainable, so you better get prepared to accept in the near future that patriarchy is completely natural and unavoidable.
*We are NOT threatened or insecure in the slightest* when it comes to feminism*
Because feminism isn't gender equality. Feminism = emasculation of men. I like being a man. However , just because I am a man doesn't mean I should be ashamed, or does it mean I'm inherently a rapist. I was raised by a single mother who taught me how to respect women, and that women can do anything a man can.
Feminism is a cancer, it creates a huge divide between men and women, and it eliminates any room for discussion.
Gender equality however I'm all for, now I can personally say I've never seen a female turned down for a job because of her gender. In my experience the equality comes based on a number of factors , and guess what ladies it's not personal, if you don't have experience in your industry you're not going to get paid as much as the guy who does, if you're not out there improving what you do every day you're not going to make as much as the guy/girl who does.
To me feminism is like the world owes you something because you have a vagina, but here in the real world the world doesn't owe you shit. Which hey means you're an equal with the rest of us
I have no problem with gender equality. I am a very vocal anti-feminist though, I am both well read, and well researched. To me feminism is defined by patriarchy theory, (https://www. girlsaskguys. com/other/a27260-the-definition-of-feminism-my-proposed-revision) the belief that men have been the dominant power throughout history, and have given themselves certain privileges that are traditionally denied to women. as I believe that this is a flawed theory and this theory has created a miss-match between feminist thought and reality (I often use the Ketchup People Analogy www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a30548-the-ketchup-people-analogy-concerning-british-pm-philip-davies)
I do believe that there are certainly some truth behind Patriarchy (https://www. girlsaskguys. com/social-relationships/a29925-patriarchy-gynocenterism-why-both-are-correct) but the truth is limited, and certainly not to the limit that most feminist thought puts on it.
So to answer the base question: why am I threatened by feminism? The base of my concern is feminist lobbying to create laws that directly effect men, such as the "primary aggressor" laws in domestic violence, or the blocking of gender neutral definitions of rape, or comprehensive reform of child placement, to name a few. Also feminist definitions of masculine traits as toxic, see www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a24324-men-s-emotions-toxic-masculinity for my discussion of this idea.
Further this government sponsored propaganda campaign against men and boys is the direct result of feminist beliefs and efforts.
Perhaps this answers your question?
It's not gender equality that they find threatening or disagreeable, it's the actions of the feminist movement. Very often for example men's right activists and feminists have clashed because feminists have tried to shut down talks and attempts to help men with issues such as domestic violence against men and male suicide (4x as many men kill themselves as women do). Feminism claims to be about gender equality for all - why would they object to this then? They claim not to hate men - why then would they object to people trying to understand why so many more men than women are killing themselves and finding ways to prevent it? They claim to want men to show their feelings and ask for help - why do they then attack men when they do exactly that? That's why most of these guys are against feminism, because they act this way. There are many more examples that I could give if I had the time, but there's just a lot of hypocrisy there. Not only that, a lot of the statistics they spread have been proven to be completely false, which means that many of the issues they talk about are actually non-issues
I don't think they are afraid of gender equality as much as they fear the extremists of the feminist movement. The extremists tend to be the ones with the loudest voices and draw the most attention.
The other reason I can think of is that they feel left out of this movement because as much as the feminists like to preach that it's about gender equality, it seems to those men that they aren't being represented equally because their issues aren't being addressed. The main areas I see being refuted about this are in suicide and domestic abuse rates among men.
One final note I would like to make is that when we are having discussions about how to help women, the rhetoric can appear to generalize men, especially on social media by using phrases such as "teach men not to rape" and "men get off to showing dominance over women". And they see it reflected in their day to day lives, the tendencies of women who don't even know these men, tending to shy away from them (I don't blame the women for doing so. It just hurts as a dude knowing that I'm being judged as a bad person solely off my appearance because I'm a male). I don't think our dialogue is going anywhere as long as both sides feel attacked and underrepresented. Same with the tendency to talk past each other rather than working together and compromising. The hardest part of all this is accepting the fact that the few extremists don't represent the whole. Which obviously applies to both sides of the spectrum.
Insecure - not. Threatened - sure.
Third wave feminism is not helping women. It is further dividing and channeling discontent for the opposite sex. Feminism is all about equality until they are actually asked to be treated equally - then they want their entitlement.
Men are tired of being put down, disrespected, told that being a man is bad. All societal problems are blamed on men, when in reality, without men we wouldn't have our great society.
Then they'll stand there and ask, 'where are all the good men?' Sheesh!
Our fem-centric society is raising boys to be like girls. So we have this whole generation of weak girly-men that women despise. A woman wants a strong man, wants him to lead. Equality is about sharing responsibility and decisions, not overbearing the other. The FI wants men to be put down, put below them.
Ask any feminist how they want to be dominated in the bedroom. They will either deny it or lie.
The majority of women don't support third wave feminism, and are quite frankly confused by it. The 'you go gurl' meme and 'you deserve it' or 'you deserve better' are just feel-good sayings. Nobody DESERVES anything - they have to earn it.
Have you actually ever taken a look at what feminism is actually doing to people? Or the fact that it serves no purpose in the US anymore due to women already being equal to men in the eyes of the law.
And your never going to achieve true equality because men and women are not equal and we are not the same, we have different bodies we were created for different jobs, activities, we think differently, we approach problems and situations differently and we have different thought patterns.
To give you an idea of what third wave feminism is doing here are some videos that show what feminism are doing right now last year alone.
Watch these videos and we'll see whether you see it as a hypocritical supremacy hate group or a equality group.
To show a few.
I don't think it's that they're insecure, and I don't think that they're against gender equality, I'm a female myself and honestly I feel like a lot of females take the whole feminism thing so far to the point that it's actually irritating and just plain annoying. When I say take it too far I mean like they stick it into everything like they apply it to every situation. I'm all for female empowerment but don't put down a man to build up a woman, and I know some guys do that but two wrongs don't make a right...
Most males on this website are losers that are afraid to approach women in real life, so they blame all their problems on feminists because they're extremely insecure introverts. They'll say things like "Well! What about child custody and women more likely to get off criminal cases!" which if they had even the slightest clue about feminism, would know that feminism is completely against those things and those laws regarding military service, child custody, and so forth were all created be men. But don't bother pointing it out to them because they'll just come back with "cuck!" or "shut up, white knight!" I've dated plenty of feminists, they're not like the small minority of misandrists that you see depicted on the internet. They're great, we split the bill and I don't have to do cringy shit like pull out their chair or hold the door open in this weird, 1800's traditionalist way.
Precisely. I said pretty much the same thing... and of coarse got the typical response xD
Congratulations spoken like a true fool!
because while this wave of feminism may quote the dictionary definition, it is not actually about equality. if it was, then they would give a crap about the men's position too. however, it is consistently pro female and hateful towards men. this is not just or right.
It's men on GaG, not all men in the real world.
I think it has to do with perception on one hand: they overestimate the likelihood of false rape accusations and such, on the other hand they fear society will go to a harem system (like gorillas have) because women can now be legally and financially independent, and that they won't be among the few "alphas" who get to enjoy the benefits of the harem system, while they still have to pay taxes for all the single momsand the health care and education of all those women who want nothing to do with them.
great post
Males are not threatened by gender equality and the only reason they even discuss how much they hate feminism is because third wave feminism is a cancer. Most females who follow third wave feminism are crazy, bent on rising ABOVE men, not being equal with them. They spread lies and utter bull. I'm a female and I probably hate it more than any of these men.
i'm glad you do
Amen.
It can't undermine the patriarchy because there is no such thing. We live in an equal society for both genders. Get off Tumblr. Those people are not sociologists, those terms are all pretend.
Feminism can't be about equality. The name promotes females. How can you be about equality when you're promoting one gender over the other? It makes no sense.
Feminism is for fat ugly cows who can't get laid and the only way they can feel important is to dye their hair blue, take ownership of their outcast status and create a fantasy world where they actually matter. Because in the real world.. they never will.
@Nelsoen I keep it teal
Lol, real
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I`m a feminist and not to sound conceited or anything... but I look pretty good. haha seriously though I look at inequality that men have too. I think that men need more maternity leave and should not have to be forced to pay alimony while women really never have to. Those are things that should be looked at. Women don`t have to take away their femininity and men don`t have to take away their masculinity in a healthy feminist world and it should be about looking at both sides of inequality! I went to a feminist group for bonus in one of my classes a few years ago and I don`t really remember what exactly brought up this man saying this but I remember him saying how he had to raise his child all to himself while going to school and working and how it was very difficult. You know what they first thing the speaker said? Well, but did you breastfeed? That statement right there was stomping his accomplishment and that unhealthy idea of feminism is what turns people away and its sad.
because it turns people away from looking at issues that really need to be looked at. Instead of stomping on him she should have discussed how men should get better equal maternity leave to women.
To go over this question once again;
Most men aren't
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Definitions of equality change from person to person.
Many believe the genders are already equal and 3rd wave feminism is searching for special treatment.
More and more people flock to the flag of Feminism without actually believing in equality, but instead female superiority.
Many don't believe this so called patriarchy exists, more that we happen to live in a patriarchal society not because of cultural reasons but because of sociological and even anthropological reasons.
And on a personal note, I'm getting pretty tired of being told that some stranger knows what I am thinking better than I do. I oppose 99% of "movements" because they take their opinion as more inherently important than mine, and seem to assume that anyone who disagrees with them does so out of bigotry rather than the use of critical thinking.
As a girl myself, I'm not necessarily threatened by feminism but I do hate it. It teaches women that murdering babies for your own convience is okay. How sad. Not only that but the fact that we don't need feminism anymore. Women already have equal rights. They can drive, get an education, own property, have various birth control options, and so on. Feminism has done absolutely nothing to help women in the Middle East, feminists only bring up mid eastern women only to guilt trip those who aren't feminists. Modern feminism teaches women to be slutty and promiscuous to be equal to men when guys I know don't walk around naked everywhere they go or write "man whore" on their chests or whatever. Modern feminism is just a big insult to women. Period.
So young and naive, in literally everything you said is wrong.
How? Can you give me valid arguments?
First of all, abortion isn't "murdering babies", might want to pay attention in biology class as embryos and fetuses they are not sentient, physically independent beings. "We don't need feminism anymore" Maybe not so much on a legal scale in the case of women, but women and men alike have social constructs pushed on them by society. A bit hard to push in the Middle East when women literally have acid thrown in their faces trying to get an education or even drive a car. "Modern feminism teaches women to be slutty and promiscuous"? So men can just bang whoever they want and be winners but women have to constrain their sexual desires? What? Who cares if women want sex, what's it anyone's business?
Trust me, YOU'RE a big insult to women writing this ignorant diatribe.
I believe men and women are equal
but I also believe men and women are different
like we have periods. we can give birth
men tend to do some heavy work that we can't like going for wars with army
sure some countries have girls in the army
but what i mean is some things men tend to do better than women
and something women can do and men can't
so yes we are equal but we are different
I love being woman. i really enjoy being female. i never dreamt to be guy or to act like guy ,.
i think being guy is nice and being girl is nice
but god created me as girl and i love it !
Well... There are some woman that claim they are feminism yet they hate men. Like every gesture they do, they hate. And fail to understand that both genders are equal. There are things men can do that women can't, and there are some things women can that men can't. Those woman that think they don't need a man and the woman are greater then man... In the end that is still as bad as men putting a woman down.
I believe in equality and in partnership. But some just want to fight about which gender is better. And that is not setting equality, that is just dividing
1) I don't have problem with feminism until, She starts spreading lies... Ex=(Testosterone is raging hormone and only males have it)
2) Female gender is superior to male one, now tell me where is equality in that. I mean Biologically and physiologically females are weak.(I can defend it if anyone want to start a war about that)
3) Its always about gender superiority, I have found only a few girls actually talking about equality... EX=I can lay with anyone cuz its "my body my rules" but you can't lay with everyone cuz by this you will cheat on me and play with feelings.
Because Feminism is a hate movement, it's right and moral to fight against it.
Hateful Feminist Ideologies and Policies (not comprehensive):
Patriarchy Theory
Rape Culture Theory
Domestic Violence Policy
Victim/identity Politics
Suppression of scientific knowledge
Pro Censorship
Redefining things like Racism, to exclude white people
Pro Sexism initiatives, like affirmative action, title 9, dear colleague letter
Putting Ideology ahead of Facts, Gender is a social construct etc..
Women and Men have equal rights until you look at divorce law. Women have far more rights and benefits there
Most of what this feminist retards are pushing for is SOCIAL reform, which will never happen (unless you have beta men as mayors and governors buying into this garbage like you do in New York with the "man spreading" nonsense), because you can't change most people.
That said, here's why I hate feminists:
1. Their full blown lies like the wage gap, their hypocrisy, and how they manipulate statistics to make things seem worse than they really are.
2. Their sexist, juvinile terminology. "Toxic Masculinity, Manspreading, Mansplaining"
3. They play victim on things that aren't even real.
To be honest, if one person came up to me and told me they were a hardcore sexist, and another person told me they were a hardcore feminist, I'd hate the feminist more. Feminists are the scum of the earth.
... But I do support gender equality lol.
First of all feminism =/= gender equality. I have absolutely no problem with gender equality but I have a problem with feminism because focusing on just one sex when you live in a first world country is beyond stupid in my opinion. If you're gonna be a social activist then acknowledge that other groups of people have their problems too, not just yours.
Because feminism has no sense in America and Europe, where women has the same (in some countries more) rights as men. Every person should see the couple as a team, not they as a single person. Why a person want to battle just for theirselves when they are married? That's not love.
For example, in Britain, wages of public employees males became shorter when feminist complained about the difference of wages between males and females. A success for feminism, but a failure for women who believe in love and prefer their husband to have his salary as high as possible.
Your premise is false to begin with. Men aren't threatened by Feminism.
Now, why is it a reoccurring controversial topic on GAG? Because there's a large number of women who call themselves feminists who bring up topics in regards to it and a larger number of women in general who bring up topics in regards to gender equality in one way or another. A good number of men who don't believe in the Patriarchy (because it doesn't exist, but hey you brought it up. So why not contest it) bring both up as well, but to a smaller degree and it's normally a topic stating why feminism is silly, unnecessary or how feminists/feminism is downright annoying. Because if we're being honest in most cases they are. Agree or disagree it doesn't really matter. But if there was not a large number of women talking about this it would be an almost nonexistent topic on GaG.
It's for the exact same reasons so many white people felt or even still feel threatened by black people and other minorities being given equal status. The white man (or even some white women for this matter), especially in America, feels like they've been robbed of their virtues.
When you're used to privilege, equality can feel a lot like oppression.
Men are the caring, sensitive ones. Women can be that way, but we are naturally born this way.
In saying that, it is not the idea of feminism that is so repulsive, even though there can never be equality in the sexes because we are not actually equal. It is the shrill, holier than thou, angry, hateful, bitter, in your face attitude in which third wave women flaunt their perceived superiority.
They belittle men, tear caring men down, threaten us, use your bodies as weapons, and generally become the antithesis of what a real man truly desires. Devoted, affectionate, caring, loyal woman. A feminist is none of those things, and if she is, she is only when she feels like he deserves it.
Which is almost never.
You want gender equality so bad, go fight where women are stoned to death for being raped, go fight for it in Moslem countries.
You don't go out often, do you?
@Peskyn3gr0 Your words remind me of an insulted liberal. You respond emotionally, without any substantive reply, because you literally have no argument to the contrary. It's all just emotion.
Where is your evidence that men are the "caring, sensitive ones" while women just have the option to be? You're not saying anything grounded in fact, you're just spewing nonsense. "Use your bodies as weapons" What are you talking about? Have you ever dated a feminist?
@Peskyn3gr0 Well, pesky Negro, my evidence is rooted in fact. I was tortured by feminists growing up so I know how they act. Care to differ?
You were tortured by feminists? Yeah, I'm that's true, some facts you got there. Just a bitter, lonely virgin.
@Peskyn3gr0 Again, a pathetic excuse for a reply. I have done things sexually that you'd hope to do. You are a loser, and someone who hopes to do a fifth of the things i have done. You are pathetic, and will die a lonely, old man. You offer no substantive replies. You have no reason, or excuses. You are pathetic.
Guys are different. One man's fancy may not be the other's, it's all procedural.
I think some guys are stuck in the old ways, where women have the role of nurturing, homemaker, etc. Who don't think that a woman can do the same thing as men.. but in the same respect there are also ones who have a respect for all genders but don't have to put a label it.
In the same respect, though, it seems like some of the female feminists are all about doing the same stuff as guys, until it comes down to time to do something that a male generally does. I don't they are presented with the most accurate statistics, and are following the movement for the wrong reasons.
as a woman i generally dont like the current feminist movement or gender equality, i do not feel they represent my best interests. how can i expect men to embrace those movements if i cannot
We're not threatened by gender equality, so take that shit out of here.
We hate feminism cause it wants to bring us down. Feminism IS cancer.
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you sound troubled my friend
You sound like you don't know how to read, sweetheart.
the patriarchy is crumbling by the day
@Asker
obvious troll is obvious
or is a retard who doesn't read up anything about feminism and believes its all lovehearts and equality
@disgustingweebtrash I know, she's a troll. A bad one, as usual with the pink anons.
Patriarchy crumbling? Trump's election suggests otherwise.
@Centurion20000 lol ever been to a divorce proceeding?
Why yes I have. It cost me $600. And I never will get trapped in that bad contract again. But keep trying to troll. Meanwhile men still run the planet.
@Centurion20000 that's what you think, I hope your ex took you to the cleaners ;) wave goodbye to the patriarchy
I spend more than $600 at Costco silly girl. Keep on trolling though.
@Centurion20000 keep on being forever alone
You make it sound like that's a problem. I've had my children and I can find companionship at any time. Why do I need a wife at this point? Other than sex what could you POSSIBLY bring to the table for less long-term expense than outsourcing those functions? [maid, cook, other]
@Centurion20000 the dating market has spoken and now it blatant why you're single, lonely and bitter. enjoy your twilight years pops. the only companionship you're goanna get is from hookers.
Whatever lets you sleep at night cupcake. Go peddle your shame and insanity somewhere else.
@Centurion20000 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbYSJiGWcAEEIPF.jpg
Men's Rights Activist? Nope. And why are you so worried about my sex life?
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Can you both stop? This is annoying xD
Says the anonymous poster without the intestinal fortitude to post in the clear. Yeah right.
@Centurion20000 lol big talk from a guy in his 30s that's forever alone.
@Centurion20000 i'll let you get to your usual routine bruh
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https://i.imgur.com/ifBWL4v.gif when u realise OP is pathetic
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not even a dank meme
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Screw you guys, I'm muting this question xD
@Centurion20000 your mother raised you well,, such a wonderful man.
I can give the big long essay response which I have done ad nauseam on this website. But for me, personally, the primary reason is because I feel like feminism has singlehandedly destroyed my dream of someday having a family and being sovereign over my household. Thanks to feminism, the traditional family unit has been destroyed through rampant promiscuity, no fault divorce, single parent households, and a hedonistic culture that says if something feels good, you ought to do it regardless of whether or not it is truly beneficial in the end. Through social engineering and indoctrination, it has become increasingly difficult for someone like me to ever have a family.
Ok, where it shakes out torn menand many guys is this... many feminists are not about gender equality where it is actually equal. They basically want a license to man hate and man bash under the guise of feminism. It's like religion, there are people of faith who use it positively and others who let it bring out negativity and judgement. Many feminists are pure man haters, and that doesn't solve anything. Also similar to reverse racism, it doesn't help make anything better even if the points are justified. And when they are man haters, I think it makes them worse than the average joe walking around who is institutionally chauvinistic. They are trying to hurt or be mean to men because they feel oppressed, even if that specific man wasn't sexist to them specifically.
If a guy has the problem with equal rights with women. it's the same reason whites had a problem with equal rights with black.
i agree
i agree.
i think its that giving up their long enjoyed privilege hurts them.
We are not afraid of true "equality" or egalitarianism. What we don't like it the BS form that feminism has taken; basically double-standards on about every issue. THAT'S not equality.
See below for one of the most drastic and clear cut double-standards you'll see almost daily...
www.attn.com/.../media-double-standard-for-female-and-male-rapists
Threatened isn't the right word. I'd say feminism is loathed. Men aren't scared of feminists, more so they despise them and find their bullshit annoying and repulsive.
Lol! Most women don't like it either. It's not what it used to be (supporting women; encouraging them). Now it is only about complaining and putting down men in a very ugly, un-feminine way. So any feminine woman, of course, wouldn't call herself one.
But you're asking a very passive aggressive question... There is no right answer to that question; you're just trying to start something.
Don't think anyone here is that stupid. :)
GLASS CEILING
Men are brought up in a certain way and that way of thinking is we have to be providers and there's all this pressure put on us at a very young age. Once we get to the age that we have to do all the things we were told, we feel like it was all a waste when a woman wants to take that role from us.
taking your very apt username into account, remind me why we should respect your input?
that's all true. can we be friends now? :)
I disagree with it but yeah I do.
another time, not in the mood to go over it.
Agree with feminism:
-Women deserve equality
-Equal pay, equal opportunities
-Freedom to choose gender roles
-No stereotyping, no disrespect, no misogyny
Disagree with feminism:
-Women have no privilege
-#killallmen #maletears, misandry is funny
-Women cannot be sexist
-Only whites can be racist
-We live in, and support rape culture
-Silencing techniques, refusal of open debate
-Re-defining words to suit agenda (racism, sexism, rape etc.)
-Violence, threats, disrespect, bias against men is ok because they have power
-Belief that they have the divine right to be angry, rude and antagonistic
If you're working towards equality, go ahead. Just please don't be an asshole.
I don't see how it helps the cause.
nail on the head mate. cannot agree more
This is what I think. Most men here are just losers living in their parent's basement. They never talked to a woman expect for their mom. I'm happy that I'm not living in my parent's basement and actually have a social life.
Bingo
That's because you're not a grown up yet. The grown ups on here actually read the description which has nothing to do with having a social life.
@ThisAndThat That's nice I guess lol
It's eliminating gender roles, which is actually a bad. Men are the protectors while women are the nurturers. It has only allowed us to evolve for thousands of years, so why fuck it up now?
When you have what is essentially two men in the household, children often end up in day care, where they become assholes and this harms them.
They are also taking over sports, too many ESPN shows where it's a man and a woman. Sports are our last resort from feminism and now it's being ruined.
Biology will always win over emotion. This is why some women try to fuck as many guys in sight before they are forced to settle down (in their 30s), because of biology.
Also there is nothing more unattractive than a career-driven woman
Feminism IS cancer and is not about equality, at least not in the west. Females have even more rights than men, which is not equality. Real feminist would either try to take those extra rights away or give them to men as well. Not lie and complain about problems that literally don't exist.
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So what exact more rights women have in west? It seems like US women might not be able to abort rapists babies some day since Trump won the election and i can see some disgusting American films that sexualize women too much and i've read rape culture in college in there. Also i've heard employer fire pregnant women some times and it's extremely hard for women to work if they have babies
Though i live in East where sexism is really cruel and acceptable, I wonder why do you think women in there have same rights with men
@Hihikinn that, falls under the category of "lie and complain about problems that literally don't exist." All women need to be on birth control to begin with, so I don't care about abortion. And it doesn't matter who's president, that's never going away. America has had plenty "pro-life" presidents, and guess what's still legal. The fact that you think films "sexualizing" women is wrong. In America, women have freedon of choice. It is their choice 100% of the time. Nobody is forcing these women to participate. They do it because guess what? They have the right to! Rape culture does not exist in the west. I repeat, DOES NOT EXIST! In America, 99% of the population will tell you rape is the worst thing a person can do. People go to prison for rape, unless they're female, and get their lives completely ruined because there is no rape culture. A female lies about rape, it's proven to be a lie, she admits it's still a lie, and that innocent person's life is still ruined.
Now let's talk about the extra rights women have in America. They have the right to equal pay. They get paid the exact same as a man even if they are less qualified and work less hours. Also, women don't get fired for getting pregnant, they get a thing called maternity leave where they get paid to sit at home and be pregnant. Depending on the job and the amount of risk to the pregnancy, the female can get the whole pregnancy off work and months after the baby is born because in America, babies can't go to daycare if they're too young. I think they have to be at least a month old, but I'm not sure. You know how much time a man gets if he has a baby? None. He has to use sick or vacation days to spend time with their children. Women also get custody of the children 75% of the time. Not because she's a better parent, but because she's a woman. Now, she usually can't support herself and a child alone so that's where alimony, child support, and state assistant comes in.
There's no birth control which is 100% safe.
In my country, there are women who thinks they should be obey their husband and they think they are feminists because they have all the rights to do that. But actually they learned what their sexists culture taught them. Women might want to be sexualized but there has been so long history that women are considered as sex objects and i think it affects them a lot.
And rape culture, i mean in university. I do read so many articles that exists but i am not an American so I won't talk about this anymore.
But women are raped in your country and feminism should be needed to reduce the rates. Do you think guys will always rape women and it's their instinct then? Make them go to jail doesn't make the society safe.
@Hihikinn the pill is 99.7% affective so if every women in America was on it and was sexually active, there would only be about 300 unplanned pregnancies in the country a year compared to 52% of all pregnancies being accidents.
I don't care if women werr treated like sex objects because they're not anymore. And if the current generation doesn't have a problem with obeying their husbands, then maybe the next generation will, like you. But that's not feminism because they already have the right to do so. It's just a change of taste, which I think is good. Peoole should "obey" because they want to, not because they have to.
Yes, people in America are raped. Women, men, children, animals. It happens. But it does not happen nearly as much as people are trying to tell you it does. Feminist are trying to change the definition of rape, which is not okay. Rape is a horrible and awful thing to happen to you. Trust me, I know. That's why I hate what they're doing so much.
People in America also get robbed, beaten, and killed. People get punished, but people also get away with it, and that sucks. It's always going to happen, no matter where you live. The best we can do as people is teach our children the value of life so they grow up knowing all that stuff is wrong, while in many countries it's okay if it's done to women, or gays. Violence against anyone is not okay, but at least in America it's illegal to kill people, it's illegal to force yourself on someone, and unlike some countries, it's illegal to throw acid in someone's face. Is America perfect? No, but these feminist are trying to make it seem like they're in the middle of some war and they're not. Women are given so much more help than men, which is the exact opposite of feminism. Women are just as capable of men and should have to earn custody of their kids like men do or earn a good job like men do.
I agree with everything you said.
I actually work as an advocate for rape victims. I guarantee that rape culture most definitely does exist. I work with rape every week and I see it all the time. Just because you are blind to a problem does mean that it does not exist. It does and it is very mentally disturbing to those who are victims of it. Rape is a very difficult case to prove and they rapist does not always go to jail. I have seem people in law shame victims after speaking out. This causes a lot of emotional trauma. I have seem people make excuses for the guy and shame the woman. People having the attitude that men are supposed to be the pursuer or the aggressor and women are supposed to act like they don't want it when really they do. I have had numerous men think that my no really means a yes and I've literally had to physically push one off of me and it wasn't easy to do. Just because you don`t personally experience the rape culture doesn't mean that it isn't there.
@meowyumyum I'm blind to a problem despite being raped at knife point when I was only 7 years old? Rape culture does not exist in the west. I repeat, rape culture does not exist in the west. Say it to yourself 7 times in the mirror if you have to so this fantasy that you have can be wiped away. Rape culture does not exist in the west. If it did, rape would not be illegal. Lives would not be ruined over FAKE rape charges. There would not be countless shelters for women. You people are absolutely disgusting. You think something like rape and being raped is actually cute, but it's not.
@Hihikinn the definition of culture is "the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively." Saying America has a rape culture is applying that the majority of Americans are rapist or have been raped. If you're going to preach about wanting rape culture so bad, then you're also going to have to preach about killing culture, or drug culture. America is in its biggest herion epidemic right now, not a REAL rape epidemic. "Manspreading" is not rape and neither is eye contact. But no, you never hear feminazis complain about that because it doesn't fit their agenda.
@Hihikinn no culture where rapist don't go to jail? So, China, India, and Pakistan don't exist? Last time I checked, it was legal for husbands to rape their wives. The women can even be punished for defending themselves against it. Material rape has been illegal in America in every state since 1993. Also, you know why it's not legal? Because Americans are against rape!
China india and pakistan are against rape. But the definition of rape is different to US one. And feminists have been working to change the definition to be more rational and helpful to rape victims. in my country, feminists made husband raping wife ilegal. Yeah we are against that. But you know what? Nobody believes even judges never believe women can be raped by husband even the law is exist. I'd call it rape culture. It does happen everywhere rape victims are not considered victims because of some different reasons. If she said NO, it does mean NO. And if she doesn't said YES it doesn't mean YES. I've heard US feminists have been working on only yes means yes (of course without threat).
They are still wroking for women's rights and I don't see any problem that we call gender equality movement 'feminists' to admit and remember women's history where we have been opressed
@Hihikinn feminism has already done it's job. Women can drive, women can ride bikes, women don't have to be escorted by men. Women can vote, women can own property, women can get an education, women can work in any field they want as long as their qualified, which as I said, they have to right to become qualified. Womem in the past worked so our so we, and our daughters, can accomplish anything they have the will to? What else do you want? What else can we do? Instead of complaining about things that there's really nothing else to do with, we should be trying to change other countries who treat women wrong. Maybe there's Americans can do, maybe it's just up to them now. And that sucks, but life sucks. Bad things happen, like people getting away with rape and other crimes. If there's not enough evidence, there's not else that can be done for a fair trial. My rapist got away and it still hurts, but so many other women get justice, and that makes me feel better.
believe it or not, US is considered the country 'which has to change' by girls from other countries. Believe what you believe. Feminism still can change lots of things.
Father's maternal leave, stereotyping, reduce rape rates and a lot. Do you know stereotyping makes girls to not interested on science and math so that keep them from being scientist?(from lots of studies in us, they proved girls are as good as boys are at science and math and there is some country that girls math and science grades are higher than boys) Do you know our history books removed lots of female who made lots of achievements? Same rights and opportunity aren't invisible some times.
@Hihikinn if the US "has to change," it's changing females socially and that has nothing to do with itself as a country. American women these days are incredibly brainwashed and toxic by feminist like you. They don't avoid math and science because they're scared. They avoid it because they know they can get a degree in feminist studies, collect welfare and sit on the internet all day complaining how it is man's fault they can't get a job. Honestly, you disgust me and I'm done. The fact that some people can be so stupid and brainwashed is beyond me. You are why feminism is cancer. Congrats since that is OBVIOUSLY what you have tried to hard to do. The second facts were brought in you stopped and moved on to nonsense. Feminism crumbles once facts are involved and you are toxic. Please never reproduce. Actually, that's something America needs to do. Stop females like you from ruining another generation. Sickening.
@meowyumyum I hope you realize 100% of what anon is said it true. Even what you called "cyber bullying." You feminazis have completely ruined women. Now they're all entitled and snotty because of beasties like you and @Hihikinn. You may think that women are puppets can be controlled but they're not! Down with feminism!!!
would you like some cocopuffs?
I can't see it happening in the next five years unfortunately, but both sexes need to wake up to the fact that we need to co-exist together. There are many essential qualities women posses which men will never have i. e. motherhood and vice versa for men i. e. being the provider and seed giver.
With the prominence of hard line feminists and the rise of MGTOW, it just seems to be a great big tug of war between the two genders.
At the end of the day, we are all human beings with a brain, two arms, two legs, and basic needs such as food, shelter and warmth. I think people get so drawn away from that and sucked into their own little world or power struggle.
At the end of the day, we'll always be different from each other, but why can't we just get on and stop trying to one up each other all the time
Nobody is threathen by gender equality, except maybe feminists cause thats like the least thing they care about while of course is what they preach the most. I would rather say people who support feminism are insecure and threathen rather, cause its fairly easy to prove how wrong they are about so many things.
In all seriousness, I dont see how anyone who actually cares about gender equality could ever support feminism, even the defintion alone prove its not about equality.
Equal rights between men and women is literally the definition of feminism.
@meowyumyum No its not, the most commen definition feminists use for their group is not about equality, so bring your defintion for it and lets see.
@meowyumyum And there you go yes. Betting you dont see how. But when you break it down its pretty clear the defintion is not about equality.
"the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. "
"Equal to those of men", not women, not both genders, just men. Meaning if women had a right that men didn't have, that definition dosent care about it, cause its about women having all the rights men do, but not men having all the rights women do. And thats not equality. Cause if this definition was law and reality. We could live in a society were men were complete slaves, we had one right, we got to choose what we wanted to eat, nothing else. a society/reality like that dosent break that rule/definition cause women can choose whatever they wanna eat too, you can hold and stay true to it in a society where men are slaves. Thats how poorly that definition is. So no, defitnion of feminism is not about equality.
Lol cmon you are just arguing to argue. It says right equal to those of men not rights superior to those of men.
@meowyumyum lol. Arguing to argue. wow. Shame you didn't bother to just think for one second. But oh well
I did think. There is no reason at all that it should even say equal to that of other women... we already have equal right to other woman and definition of equal when dealing with humans is a person considered to be the same in quality degree or value. So if you look at the definition of equal and add it the the definition of feminism it's this:
"the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women the same in quality degree or value to those of men."
Maybe this helps you. Either you have trouble interpreting the word equal or you have a desperate need to hate on feminism so much that you were just looking at a way to twist the definition around to benefit your negative view. I get the radicals are annoying and really they aren't even feminist... just girls that are angry at men and want something to bitch about but true feminism isn't like that at all.
@meowyumyum Am I supposed to say you are arguing to argue now?
But no, I didn't mean it should be said like that, I would change the whole sentence/thing really. But if change it like that, its still not "equal" cause of the word advocating in either case. If feminism is about female issues first and foremost then sure, it would fit at least. Cause yeah dosent say anything about adovcating for men, which makes it one sided yet again, so even with those changes it heavily focuses on side which leads to superiority anyway.
No I have no desperate need to hate on feminism, but dear lord is it a vile movement. And its easy for everyone to say whoever is not a "true feminist" people do that with religion all the time too, put 20 christians in the same room and they all would tihnk of each others as not true christians, same with feminism too it seems, yet each and everyone one of them dont think the other count. So if you supposedly care about equality for example
You should be pretty damn loud or vocal against these "not real feminists". Considring how muc they taint your group then. But for curiosity sake, what is true feminism, point to anyone known really that align with your defintion of a feminist. Cause if its people like Anita sarkessian or Laci green you can get behind.. yeah. You are just the same as the rest. Would support sexsist scam artists even if so.
I find it so odd that I have to defend that I believe in equal rights. I looked at some of the opinions on here and I find it ironic that the non feminists are the ones being aggressive while saying that feminists are that way. The feminist movement started when women had WAY less rights than a man. The reason that it advocates more saying that women should have equal right towards men is because that is where is started and around the world in many countries it still holds to be a huge problem. I really don`t know much about where you live but we live in different environments and around different people so I am sorry if you have had bad experiences. My own personal experiences, 99% of the feminists I have met have not wanted to step over men at all. I really just love all people and think that we should all have equal rights. That is why I am one. You can say that the definition is saying that women want to be superior over men but that would literally be you twisting words around.
It is similar to me showing you a paper saying that 1+1=2 and you are saying No, the paper says 1+1>2. It`s not. I am only saying that these women that you are explaining are not real feminists because you are saying that these feminist you know do not care about equality and literally that is what the definition of feminism is about equality. I love men and I love women. I think people are great and we all work better when we view each other as equals. I personally feel very blessed for the feminist movement because now I have so much more freedom that many of the women in the past or in other countries right now have. There are still inequalities that need to be looked at in the USA with gender inequality and race inequality too but its gotten so much better and I think its good to look at problems in inequality and make it better even if they aren't as major as they were back in the day.
@meowyumyum Well to be honest, thats how bad the movement have gotten. Feminist who show up at suicide conventions to try and silence "men" for talking about suicide, cause wasent allowed to do that. I dont know if you seen that vid, but thats pretty disugsting and sickening to watch, all these feminists who showed up to these conventions who started to say all these horrible things, happen more than once too. But maybe that would give you some idea anyway and some understanding for why so many seem so aggresive towards feminists, its generally aggresion they give back from what they recieve.
In either case though, i did look at more of your other comments on gag I mean, to just know you better in a way. You do seem like a sweet caring person really, so I dont doubt that you as an indivudal care and fight for equal rights, while im not sure how much you are aware of the two sides and struggles about it all. I do believe in your intent.
@meowyumyum Will just say tho, I dont feel like im twisting anything, guess we can say instead we have different views or interpretations of things, cause its not as closed cased as a math equation. Rather than a painting with an image, you see the art in one way, I see it in a different way. Defitnion thing I guess would need a netural language liquist to settle perhaps, lol, but moving on. I understand where the movement began, but what many seem to fail to realise about it all though was that voting had its downsides for example. And men as well naturally have been suppresed by society throughout history too, its not "men" whos been in power, its the rich. Its the poor men and women alike who has been stepped on over the years. Cause yeah with the voting thing, that meant you had to draft in the past, you couldnt vote without being drafted in the military. Which generally is what guys did or had to do. Which isent much of a priveliege exactly, to serve as cannon fodder for war
@meowyumyum But im curious though in a way, why not go for egalitarisme since that without doubt is what you believe in, why feminism?
But yeah, my personal experience, is more like the complete opposite, 99% of the feminists met are rather insane, lol. Not to even mention all the sexsist terms they created, mansplaining, man spreading and killallmen hashtag an so on. But yeah certainly different experiences. Well I hope you will fight for both sides anyway and not get fooled by all these other feminists who make up so much stuff even.
In either case, wish you good luck and hope you have a nice day still :)
I am egalitarian for sure but I guess since this thread is specifically targeting feminism that is just what I had to mind to talk about. Where I live it is a very conservative area so we really do not have too many loud and annoying feminists like you talk about. Where I live if we have to deal with loud and obnoxious anything it is mostly the ultra super conservatives who are also just as wacko. Not that I have anything against conservatives but really anyone who is on the extreme side of things usually is a wacko. That goes to feminists too. I guess I just hear more about the extreme ones pretty rarely and its usually just in big cities. I did hear about a feminist comedy club that my friend went to in the city I live in and she said it was pretty ridiculous so I have no doubt that it is a thing. I just believe in the idea of the cause of women building each other up and working toward equality.
When I say women building each other up and I don`t mention men I also don`t mean that in a sexist way. I just believe that since we have gone through a lot of the same stuff that we just naturally understand each other in I guess the life path area. We do have stuff that is a struggle just like men do but because we are socially conditioned differently its just different stuff. That doesn't mean that we are unequal which some feminists fail to recognize. I think its just women who have been bruised that act like that. They need some outlet and this movement just seems like a good one because it is about gender equality and bringing a woman up to an equal level to a man. This sounds great to a woman who is hurt and beaten down but unfortunately this woman are extremely angry at the situation and lash out on all men. These women will never get anything done because these are the women who push people away from something that I believe can be a beautiful thing.
sorry if that doesn't really make much sense. It been a very long time since I have slept. Experiencing insomnia for the first time.
@meowyumyum I see, and can get what mean, cause yeah im sure it varies a lot depending on culture and location, how people behave like that. But can certainly agree with that, anything on the extreme is never good, usally with life in general with everything. Everything needs to be a balance, too much or too little of anything is usally not good. No worries, dont see that as sexist, but naturally if all femnists have that as a focus it of course again can become pretty one sided, but think regardless women in general should build each other up, cause is kinda a big problem in many ways how so many tear each other down. Sadly in a way from my experience anyway, there is just a lot competion sort of, guys compete too naturally, about being the best in a way, women tend to compete about looking the best, in a social way and several other ways, so do more talking behind peoples back, attack appearances, behaviors etc.
@meowyumyum But honestly I dont find it hard to understand anyone really, neither women or men. We are more similiar than most people think really, we both feel and go through much of the same things, sometimes in different ways perhaps, but emotionally its really not that different. Yeah I suppose, although find it kinda worrysome somewhat that many seem to get kinda brainwashed through these "gender studies", through education even, and like none of the stuff they get taught are true, or just twisted and one sided. Get convinced they are suppresed and have to fight back against the "evil men" in a way or the "patriarchy". But yeah. And no worries you make sense, sorry to hear you have insomnia though, which yeah as someone who has that for about 20 years now, lol, I really hope u get some good sleep :)
Modern day feminism serves no purpose in the western world other than to confuse the sexes and destroy the family unit.
women actually do have more rights than men, especially when it comes to child custody and child welfare.
Women are much more likely to be granted custody, and men who dont want kids, by law still have to pay child maintenance even though birth control exists for both genders. Even if the condom breaks men still have to pay child maintenance even though he took reasonable steps to prevent pregnancy...
If you knew anything about feminism you would know that men made those laws about child custody and feminists are against that because it is inherently sexist.
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