Do men really feel threatened by feminism, or is that just a myth?

[Anonymous]

been wondering about this for a while but how true is it?

[Anonymous]

I don't feel threatened by it because I honestly believe eventually either women will smarten up and realize it how much BS it is or that men will just have enough of their shit and make them stop.

I hate feminism because it really is just women playing the victim to gain power in society (1st world countries stI'll needed in 3rd). They do this by acting weak and spreading lies. In doing so they spread hateful stereotypes about men like "Teach men not to rape" as in all men are rapist. Yet if you say any thing against them you are sexist.

They teach women to have unrealistic expectations in life. From how their partner should look and act. Or that they deserve their dream job just because. While actively trying to destroy or hinder men's livery. Men are falling behind in education. It is harderived for men to get jobs since companies want to be PC and have an equal work force. Actively protesting against men's issues. And support unfair sexism in courts more so family court.

It also lowed the quality of women in the dating scene from a man's point of view. I don't want someone who actually believe I am a mean person because of my gender. I don't want a partner who has slept around because she wanted to be liberated. I would like a partner who like to wear make up and put effort into her appearance and look good (yes including shaving), not someone who think I should just accept them for who they are when they don't put an effort in yet somehow thinks try deserve nothing less then a male model. I want a partner who enjoy being feminine.

So yeah I'm not a fan of it but I am optimistic that eventually it will be better. In the mean time I will try to avoid feminism and feminist at all costs when I can.

[MrOracle]

Men (and many women too) feel threatened by THIRD WAVE/RADICAL Feminism.

We're fine with equality and equal opportunity - most of us are egalitarian, which is what first and second-wave Feminism were trying to achieve.

Third-wave/RadFem isn't about equality, though. It's about BLAME (on men) and about female superiority - and most women don't even support that - even some who originally thought it might be a good idea.

See, most women still want relationships with men, but ThirdWave/RadFem takes away ALL motivation for men to have anything to do with women at all. The good news is that it has lost SOME of its influence and momentum over the last decade, but most colleges still have radical, extremist "feminists" teaching Women's Studies and trying to push the RadFem agenda - and many women fall victim to that during her college years (and a bit after), but once away from college and back in the real world, MOST such women realize that it's bullshit and that men are not the evil monsters that RadFem paints them to be, and they jettison those teachings. But a few cling to them even years later, bitter and angry and lonely...

[snowshy]

So many guys here are evidence that they are threatened by it. Not all guys but many.

Understandably if they're rejecting feminazis then sure - I reject them too. But for the women who are feminists and just mean they want equality by that, not special treatment, I have to disagree with the guys who take issue with it.

I don't want to emasculate my man but I want equal rights and wanting equal rights doesn't mean I have to step on other people - that goes against wanting to be equal. If a guy doesn't like it, I just won't date them

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Since you're talking about LEGITIMATE WOMAN'S RIGHTS, Imma fix something.

"Not many guys, but few."*

There, now I can sleep at night. :)

[snowshy]

@FýrdracaDócincel Lol, it completely depends on what you mean by 'many'. Many could be only a couple of people you have met. Many could be 100s of people you have met. I agree.

Trust me, I still encounter men frequently who reject the aim for first and second wave feminism - they don't want equality. They want power

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Alright, you got me there. Broad terminology is broad.

[Anonymous]

It is impossible to look at the backlash against feminism, which includes so much outright lying, and look at it any other way. There are just men in this world who truly believe men are superior to women and women mobilizing to change that mindset makes them very angry - so angry they'll compromise their integrity just to criticize feminism.

[Anonymous]

They are not threatened by feminism, they just can't deal with the hypocrisy and victim hood of the feminist movement which are now fighting for privilege and not equality.

[Waited]

Get your feminist shit outta here YOU HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS gtfo with that shit

[10dsw]

I wouldn't say threatened. The whole concept of feminism isn't in any way jeopardizing my life or the life of any man.

I would say more so annoyed because the whole concept of feminism is hurting women and many don't see it. For example there's an almost perfect relationship between the decrease in GAF scores in women (a measure of happiness) and the rise of feminism over the past 50 years

Another more personal example: I work with a girl who is also finishing her PhD and all her life she was taught to be a strong independent woman. She's chronically single and complaining she can't find a man who is "above" her because that's what she's attracted to. Well no shit.. you're finishing a terminal degree... 99% of the the male population has been eliminated by your standard.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

"there's an almost perfect relationship between the decrease in GAF scores in women (a measure of happiness) and the rise of feminism over the past 50 years"

Please provide a source, and then explain how this relationship (if it exists) is causal.

[10dsw]

@HungLikeAHorsefly

American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Washington, DC 1994 (pp. 400-405). A supervisor's submission so it might be dated. The premise was that Schwarz' thesis (relating to consumer goods) could be applied to dating and relationships. The whole idea is that when one has more options, they are less likely to choose. Well with the rise of "feminism" came the rise of many freedoms and options (especially with regards to finding a partner) - lo and behold we have one of the lowest marriage rates in history. Mind you I'm not a psychologist but an applied mathematician

[10dsw]

I should also note that the work didn't aim to establish a causal relationship between "feminism" and gaf scores but rather elucidate possible reasons for why gaf scores have linearly decreased over the years. Another independent variable was the rise of the internet

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Thanks for the source. I went and looked at the DSM-IV (1994) and pages 400-405 deal with diagnosing mood disorders; nothing about Barry Schwartz at all. Now, I realize you said it's a "supervisor's submission" - I don't know what that means, but I back-tracked about 50 pages and looked about 50 pages ahead. No mention of this in the previous or next sections, either. There is mention on page 25 about the GAF, but only to describe it. I was unable to find any longitudinal information about GAF scores anywhere in the DSM-IV, or anywhere else for that matter.

I'm also a little surprised that a thesis put forth in the year 2000 would appear in a DSM published in 1994. Furthermore, the empirical validity of Schwartz' thesis has been questioned, as no other studies have been able to replicate his results nor have any meta-analyses turned up any evidence to support his position.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Let's also not forget that the GAF was introduced in 1987; it is impossible for there to be a 50-year relationship between falling GAF scores and Feminism. If GAF scores are actually falling, which has yet to be demonstrated.

[10dsw]

@HungLikeAHorsefly No you're not getting it - these trends were measured since the 1950s by GAF score measurements or whatever equivalent existed before GAF score measurements. Like I said, I'm not a psychologist so I am unsure what means of measurements existed pre-GAF. So observing his trends, one of my previous supervisors proposed Schwarz' thesis (alongside MANY other possibilities) explaining why this may have been the trend. Again, I'm not a psychologist but to my knowledge it is perfectly permissible to apply "newer" theories (such as Schwarz or whatever) to longitudinal data sets. Especially when you can probe all sorts of other incoming variables such as the rise of social media use, etc.

[10dsw]

As for what I mean by supervisor's submission - I'm talking about a manuscript he wrote - I only worked in that lab for 6 months (and as an undergrad doing coop/stats) so I have no idea what actually happened to the data in the long run. Also I should say that while I appreciate your analytical mindset, no one harped just on "feminism" - let me repeat - that this was one of MANY possible variables contributing to the decline in GAF scores (or whatever existed pre-GAF)

[10dsw]

But one thing I do stand by is that from my limited work in that lab, I do remember that there was a submission involving a clear trend with regards to declining happiness. Admittedly, the continuity of that data set may be questionable (as you pointed out: the GAF score was created more recently) and perhaps the manuscript was never accepted. Also in case you're curious what my role was in this lab: I was programming a statistical package in Python/C++ for the lab to use for their research - perhaps that explains to you why I don't really have access to the majority of their work. I don't normally expect citations for opinions I leave on G@G lol

[10dsw]

Anyhow, I hope you now sort of get where I'm coming from with this opinion.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Yeah, okay I get it now - thanks for the explanation.

[Eyes_On_Me]

I am. Feminism these days is really damaging to my sense of worth. My parents and sister who identify as feminists made me feel... well, less valuable than my sister. There's a lot of crap going on that makes me feel like I mean less to the world than the average girl. If one day, men are treated as second class citizens, I would probably feel extremely useless. I used to be depressed because of this issue and it means quite a lot to me because in my country, men are required to serve in the army and I feel like they value women's lives more than men's.

[Naydyonov]

I feel threatened in the way that I may be seen as less of a citizen because of my sex. I like to believe that if I was born a hundred years ago I wouldn't treat people differently than I do now.

Men and women became equals at roughly the same time.

Before the only people in power were rich men and their women, yes, women also had power.

Then men of property were allowed to vote which meant ~1/10 men could vote. Later all men were given the right to vote, and just years later women were given the right to vote.

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

Most men will tell you they aren't threatened by it. They'll tell you they aren't threatened by anything. But, when you look at their objections, you get the idea it's based out of either a lack of understanding of what Feminism is and what Feminists do, or flat out fear of change.

[Margillard]

This sums it up pretty much.
www.foxnews.com/.../why-men-wont-marry.html

www.reddit.com/.../

[Bell44444]

This is why I, as a female, am threatened by feminism. I have more traditional values and any man sharing such values wouldn't touch me with a ten foot pole. The only people still willing to marry are the feminist progressives, who'd hate me since I'm neither. Feminism is awful for women. Awful for everyone really.

[Underduress]

I don’t feel threatened by feminism, I feel absolved from traditional cultural norms such as marriage and family. It has allowed me to focus on the things that I want to do rather than society telling what to do. Also, I can have all the girlfriends that I want and they seem to like the open relationships. So NO, I feel the complete opposite of threatened.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Yes. The hard truth is a majority of guys almost never takes the side of feminists because they only see its bad side and it doesn't help that many women are against it too so they don't scare guys away. Only a minority on either gender it seems appreciates feminism for what it is and it's potential.

[joshuafreeman707]

I don't think that all men are. Some people have terrible distinguishing the extreme elements of a group from the whole, and that causes some issue. I also believe there is a lot of trolling and fake shit online claiming to come from feminists specifically in order to lend strength to the idea that feminists are all crazy.

[dmbvb]

Im feminist but as a man Im concerned about radical feminism. It seems to directly attack men and slowly pulls away men that are more "neutral" regarding feminism. Most men that I know hate the more radical branch of the feminists, they feel targeted.

[Listening5]

I think its the other way around. Feminists feel threatened by men.
Even when those so called mgtows want nothing to do with women, I see women making such a big deal out of it instead of leaving them alone.

Thats why I stay out of all these social problems, just drama.

[ThatGuy73]

I honestly am not threatened personally by them. I believe in equality for both genders. I do however have issues with authoritarianism that seems to be an issue with modern day feminism. I have also seen some women who have male children that they treat differently than their female children. Not in a good way either.

[DarthLadyKiller]

We like the idea of women being equal (at least we should) but we are seriously disappointed with these women who are basically femi-nazis. If it carries on any more, we shall have to put them in their place.

[Lumberman53]

It's not that feminism in of itself is an issue it's the third wave feminism which seeks to demonize men and give women special treatment that is the issue. Yes some men are misogynistic, but most men support equal rights and fair treatment the problem is modern feminism is no longer about fair rights and equal treatment and there is no reason for them to be complaining.

[itsokay]

In a most honest way. I feel amused. It is funny to me actually for a lot of reasons. I only feel ofended when people that i talk with in person talk about feminism in a way that makes no sence, then im infuriated

[Nihilego]

No, men are annoyed by the false feminists who are really just women who hate men using the guise of feminism to support their cause.
REAL feminism appeals to men as well as women.

[Grouch225]

Not threaten, just like being told the the problems in the world is (Man) spreading, (Man) plaing, that (all Men) are potential rapists. That (Men) prevent women from success. That women can't advance in the job/business world while effectively raising children at the same time because of ( Men). That if (Men) weren't in politics or government, there would be world peace. That (all Men) are only intetested in sex. That they do really care about anyone but themselves. Shall i go on?

[the_man57]

I don't really feel threatened I just think its very, very annoying. Not for equal rights, I fully support that, but once feminism turns into "Women are the superior sex" and "the future is female" it becomes annoying

[Cammy137]

I feel threatened by 3rd wave feminism in the sense that I think it does a lot of harm. I don't feel threatened by feminism in the sense of striving for equality between sexes.

[HGG3805]

I don't think we are threatened by it. But we don't know how to play in that world. Women should not assume just because the rules have changed that us guys know what the new rules are.

[Anonymous]

Kinda depends what you mean by feminism. There's the harsh reality of feminism then there's this naive notion of a 'good feminism.' I see every reason why they should feel threatened by the former and no good reason why they can expect help from the latter.