Most men aren't scared of the empowerment at all. In fact, I think most would be on your side if it weren't for the crazies that downright hate every man they come in contact with. It's an important conversation to have. Everyone deserves their equal opportunities, but we also have to be realistic in what we are asking for. Its impossible to change everyone's perceptions, therefore you can not expect %100 equality as an outcome. Its just not realistic. That's like me asking all people to start treating all black people equally lol. Can you really ask people to change their perceptions on a race or gender? You can... but it doesn't mean they'll comply. People have their perceptions and opinions on race, gender and sex. You can't force them to change. They'll just hide, and they'll continue to control what they can. There will always be some older guy who thinks he's above you in some way. Being a woman is no different. It doesn't mean you stop fighting, but it does mean you need to be realistic. You need to walk in understanding and less in anger. I've never felt such tension between men and women in my lifetime. Its so sad to see. I get that there needs to be change, but the interactions between men a women are crumbling. Not everything will go your way and that's just the facts. So I would hope that most would stop being so angry and continue to progress with a light hearted approach. Because in most peoples minds, its just been toxic. Im really hoping that I don't get a reply from an angry lady. Im down for a discussion but not an argument. It's fruitless...
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strawman fallacy much?
We aren’t threatened by women having equal rights. Most of us agree that women should be treated equally as fellow human beings. What most criticism is actually directed at is the hypocrisy shown by the proto totalitarian groupthink known as “social liberalism” which claims to “fight for equality for all” yet frequently ostracizes and scapegoats various groups like Asians, whites, short people, Christians, men and the successful. How can a movement claim to fight for equality when it frequently ostracizes and scapegoats certain groups?
You are probably asking “If that’s the case why do I receive so many blue downvotes even for a positive message?” And my answer to that is that perhaps you posted something that didn’t sit well with many people on this site and considering how Girlsaskguys is a relatively small virtual community, it’s easy to remember who said what. 4 downvotes isn’t a lot though, I recall another user on this website who’s opinions usually get around 20 or more downvotes but only because this individual has made some controversial remarks that didn’t sit well with many people.
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Men have held a global strong hold on positions of power and change through force and law for nearly 20 centuries with few disruptions "allowed" to the status quo. Imagine having to cede any of that power now? You can't go from "this is just the way it is," or "know your place," or "you can't hope to compete because you're a woman," or "creating laws to suppress the advancement of women specifically," to seeing a woman want or actually take charge and fill a set of shoes that have almost or always been male with the flip of a switch.
We tell kids that they can be anything they want---but have we really meant that for girls? We tell women, go after what you want and only your qualifications and character should matter, and then we ask them what are you wearing. There are SO many men who welcome a woman who puts the work in, who fights for what she feel is right, and stands up for herself and others, but yet, there is a whole set who are hell bent on pushing women back into the dark ages when you can't go backwards. Women's empowerment forces some men to start to figure out their place in the world if it suddenly no longer assumed, or guaranteed that they will always hold power, or if they now have to face new competition in what have been male only spaces for decades, if not centuries. It can be terrifying to face the prospect of women who will no longer accept what they are told to think and do, but fight, work, and do what it is, like their male counterparts, they want to do.
Some men tend to think that feminists are misandrists. There are some women who claim to be feminists, when, in reality, they are actually misandrists. Due to this, some men tend to believe that all feminists are misandrists when this is not true. At least, this is what I'm telling myself, as I refuse to believe that there are men out there who genuinely think that men and women should not be equal.
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I don’t think it’s empowerment that threatens men. I think it’s the actions that follow is what threatens men.
If a man can have his life ruined by a fake rape charge that’s a reasonable reason to feel threatened just like a woman can feel threatened by a man’s potential to rape her.
Power isn’t threatening. What people choose to do with that power is what can be threatening and sometimes, empowered people don’t use their power for good.
I love empowered women but even I try to get to know the women I date before I give them all of my trust. If she’s crazy, she can accuse me of battery or rape and pull me to court. That alone can put a dent in my life financially and socially even if I win. But if she wins?
Can you understand the intimidation? Men aren’t the only ones capable of evil. There’s some nasty women out there too but most are too meek to show it. But once they become empowered they can unleash that nature on anyone regardless of if they deserve it or not.
Personally I think everyone should stop being jerks to eachother but I’m told that’s living in a fantasy. So here’s my responseYou know why. The definition of their manhood depends on their relationship to women. For them it is a zero-sum game. If women gain more power, then somehow they have less. If women can go out and make their own living, then why are "we" needed? If women can do my job better than me, then I won't have a job.
They don't define themselves independently of womanhood. It isn't about their status among other men. Or just among other people. They are not confident that they are the best at what they do. They are not confident that they can attract women no matter what. Every thought they seem to have points to this fantasy that if women are sexually attracted to each other and if they can work and do the same jobs. . . then somehow we have lost our value.
It is written all over this forum, in threads about how every woman is a lesbian. Or how men can't get a date unless women somehow lower their standards. Or that women are taking over or that we can hit on women in the workplace.
It is all narcissistic, weird and shows a total lack of empathy.First of all, I don't feel threatened by women's empowerment. I firmly believe that Women should be equal to Men and not superior to Men. For this Women need to be empowered to reach the same level as Men.
The main reason I can think of why some men would be threatened is that it can feel like the issues Men face like mental health and domestic abuse can feel overlooked when the primary focus is on women's empowerment. Also, International Women's day is given much more attention and celebration then international Men's Day (I know you celebrate both so thanks for that).
Finally, with the empowerment of women, societal expectations of Women such as staying at home and caring for kids, have gone away. However, it feels like societal expectations of Men such as working and bringing in most of the household income don't feel like they have massively gone away.
I think for gender equality the first step is to empower Women up to the same level as Men. But the next step is to get rid of societal expectations for Men like we have done for Women.When i was in third grade the other students and i were playing tag on the playground. Suddenly, it occurred to me that I actually wanted to be "it," so that everyone else would run from me. I got tagged and turned around to start the chase only to find everyone else who was playing with their hands out also wanting to be "it."
Feminism has a weird sort of history. A mere 200 years ago it was unheard of for women to have a paying job. Everyone understood they were supposed to be homemakers, and that was that. Not that homemaking is easy, but it is generally assumed to be far more morally rewarding than (for example) coal mining. Add to this the fact that several inventions came about that made homemaking easier (electric stoves, washing machines, vacuums...) and it didn't take long for men to start to resent women for having an easier life. But it was also the case that, initially, the men in charge didn't want to put up with women in their work place. However, it quickly be apparant that they could hire women for a tenth of the wages as men, and like the game of tag when I was in third grade, the shift from fear to fun was very swift.
Of course, this led to many men not being hired for the jobs they needed to support their own families, and the call to enforce equal pay made a lot of sense to everyone. Unfortunately (and predictably), the owners didn't want to do that, and embarked on a mass misinformation campaign to try to portray women as unworthy of equal pay and, obviously, unworthy for positions of authority. It was largely successful and our media echo chambers still use a lot of the same tone and language from back then. Only thing we can really do about it is stop voting for republicans. Need to reduce the influence billionaires have in our elections, or attitudes will continue to trend towards whatever makes them richer.People are fickle. Everyone is selfish. Women's empowerment is a form of self indulgence. Society has a big problem with self indulgence at the moment and it is breaking down our sense of community.
A saw a woman on the train act like a child because a man told her to cover her mouth when she coughs. This is basic manners and hygiene. She had no right to react the way she did which was to get up and cough right in his face.
The underlying reason for her behaviour is societies loss of any sense of community. The man is just "a man" she will never see ever and who she has already decided lies beneath her in human hierarchy. So she feels that she can behave in a childish manner towards him. If he was a colleague at her work or someone she knows, she probably would've actually said sorry and acknowledged he has done nothing wrong and in fact she was wrong the whole time.
There is a subliminal sense of this amongst us but to mention it goes against the fashionable conscience.
In fact, I won't be surprised if you attack me for expressing this.We all focus on things we want to see fact being without men there cannot be women empowerment and lots of men are supporting women empowerment, it is just some people start with idea of women empowerment and if they get social recognition then they become false feminist once who spoke about equality later that changes to like we are the superior class and also when there is a crisis or tough situation in certain scenario women tend to play the weaker sex card because they don't want to face or indulge with messy and complex conclusions there is a duality in the behaviour I have seen in my country where a girl accused something on a guy it became national news and it was not his fault but he had to loose respect and also lost his job and had to visit court regularly and the later it was came to know it was the girl using the women card in the name of feminism she got all the rewards his life got ruined and she fled to some other country and the guy is still goes for court hearing and the girl does not answer the court session notice so basically it's all about power and how you wish to use it
We're not threatened, we're annoyed, because most of the time, when someone throws "women empowerment" it's accompanied by men belittlement, when it's not plain hate. It seems that modern feminists can't conceive empowering women without crushing men. In fact that's what they're aiming for. Not an equal place in society, but being above, above men in particular.
You want an equal place, and I'm talking about equality of right and opportunities here, I'm fine with it. But as soon as you start insulting, belittling and shitting on me, that's where we have a problem.They aren't. That's kind of like asking why some one would begrudge a person for being a dictator. No one cares if you want money, no one really cares if you want power, its when you decide to destroy other peoples lives and control them that they start to get resentful. When women have all the power all the privilege and none of the responsibility and no accountability and the audacity to play victim when they are better off then men by a substantial margin (and always have been), that's not men being threatened by women's "empowerment", its men being resentful of a hateful sexist ideological authoritarian dictator who won't rest until they have subjugated entirely, half the human population. Those are two different things (but you know that and so you try to conflate them to avoid any one criticizing your sexist authoritarian system).
I think that many people, including feminists and people in general, view power as a zero-sum game. That is, there is a limited amount of power and the only way to give it to someone is to take it away from someone else.
An example of this zero-sum game empowerment could be requiring the CEO of a company to be female.
However, not all power is a zero-sum game. Some things, like access to education for all people or building and maintaining roads, can empower everyone.
The problem is, when people talk about empowering women, they tend to focus on empowering women in ways that do not empower everyone, of all genders.It's not threatening. But for some reason certain women feel the need to be total cunts about it.
women's empowerment has been in some cases taken too far.
For example, London mayor Sadiq Khan said that misogyny should be a crime... think about what this means. A negative opinion about women could potentially be a criminal offense that could lead to imprisonment.
And why are women being empowered to be more like men instead of being more like women.
Because a lot of the pro female empowerment types seem to be anti motherhood.This is a very good question and the answer is rather complex, but it has to do with the evolutionary role of males and their becoming "unemployed", in a sense, by an empowered female.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjxJKvMdZg
Put another way, an empowered female doesn't need a male and when her male detects that, he gets concerned and upset like he's going to lose his job.
I could elaborate a bit, but I will let "The Godfather's" Don Vito Corleone explain how men really define and judge each other.
Don Vito to Johnny Fontane (who is the actual godson of Don Vito): Do you spend time with your family?
JF: "Of course, I do."
DV: "Good! A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
So, an empowered woman can take away his family because she no longer needs him.I am all up for empowerment, but nowadays this movement has turned into a movement that is empowering women by downgrading men. And that's not healthy. No one should be undermined in any way. But yet, we see women jumping at men's throats, calling them toxically masculine, chauvinistic and who knows how else. And then you have counter arguments from hurt men that scream insults the other way. And that's not a conversation, that's just crazy people spewing insults at each other and not constructively working on a solution. Hence, the negativity from both sides.
Well, it might be the interpretation and association of what women empowerment is. A user on here said that it might be associated with man hate, sexism, promiscuity, etc. My definition of women empowerment is very different from any of the above. I think you empower women by making them strong and independent, without sacrificing any of their feminine behavior or traits. I would teach them how to fight, workout, survival, and shooting. Fostering their mindset to become resilient and relentless so that if they find themselves in a situation they don’t cower but continue to act. I would also teach them to think tactically and always be prepared for a wide variety of dangers. This will create an amazing sense of empowerment for ANYONE. I’m not making them invincible, but I am giving them the tools and helping them foster a mindset that allows them to approach any situation with bravery.
Feminists have pushed people away, a lot of people just instantly dislike stuff now that even goes in that direction. I don't see a problem with your comment but I think that's the reason. But I think the framing of your question is kind of wrong. Why is it that when men dislike something it means they're "threatened" by it? This is language that feminists use to belittle men.
They want to build a strawman where men are always immature, throwing tantrums etc. and you're feeding into that narrative. Also you can be for equal rights and not be for any kind of womens movement. Because developed cauntries already have equal rights for men and women. But womens movements always want to make it seem like if you're not for them then you're against women. But that's not the case.Trust me Men support women empowerment,
But its instances when women start taking undue advantage of it, is when we lose our minds, and start doubting it.
You know if a man is bullied by other man, you can get well expect that the bullied man can fight and beat the hell out of him for having done that. And its correct to do that. Why not you can't just absorb all negativity around you unnecessarily.
But what if the same thing is done by a female?
The man has to bear it.
He has to live by it, just because its not taught to him by his family to slap a woman which will be called abusive by the society without seeing whose fault it was. And then apathy , is the woman will still get the sympathy. And be looked upon as victim.
Its true it happens always, everyday, around us men.
But we tend to move on with the burden.
And the woman takes more pride in that.
Ironical but trueHonestly I don't see around me many guys who have something against women empowerment. I am glad for that we all feel happy that our women are strong, independent and successful.
Half of my close friends are in relationships with girls who make more money than them or even a higher degree and don't feel bad about it.
Still I know that is not how the majority thinks. They feel their dick smaller the second they find out the girl in front of them is better than them in anything.
I am glad girls can be and do anything. I am a son to my mother, a brother to my sisters, a husband to my wife and one day I might be a father to my daughter. So of course I am all for empowering them.
That doesn't mean that men lost power. Women just have gain more. Big difference.Because many times women get empowerment but are spared the responsibility that comes with that empowerment. For instance a man has sign up for the draft in order to vote but women can just vote. And then there are times when the responsibility for women choices force responsibility onto men. Like when a women gets pregnant she has choices, she can get an abortion or place the child up for adoption or even just abandon it at a fire or police station. But if a man gets a woman pregnant he has to pay child support but doesn't get to choose weather or not he can be a part of his child's life or even if his child gets to live in the case of abortion. There are also cases of blatant double standards. For instance when 2 adults get drunk and have sex. The woman is now a rape victim but the man is now a rapist.
I have absolutely no issues with women's empowerment... None at all. I also believe we should all be equal under the law... Which we are. What i have issue with is the fact that the socialist left wish to push us into a world where there is more segregation not less, where there is more division between us as a people not less. No one in the liberal leftist movement actually wants unity, or equality.. All they are concerned with is taking from others what is not theirs to begin with.
My question from a while ago is a good example of most of the liberal left..
What does everyone think of POC (people of color) only safe spaces in schools and college campuses?Because it's not actually about empowerment it's about superiority.
The facts are women are highly priviledged but they push a myth that they are oppressed to get more privilege.
www.realsexism.combecause its not empowerment u talk about... its over empowerment... back in the day they jus wanted equal rights, and thats fine... if girls had same amount of rights as us (equal rights) then id be totally fine with that.
but now they have more rights than us, its like they use their pussy as some kind of... i dont know the words... they use it as like... some uh... moral excuse like... i dont know how to explain what i mean,..,.. but they think theyre better than us jus cos they have a vagina.. and that annoys me
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