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Feminism in 1st world countries has gone far beyond equality. Women actually have MORE rights and benefits under the law than men do. The other supposed inequalities are almost entirely caused by personal choice or other women.
The threat is affirmative action measures replacing actual merit.
I agree completely. Only thing I want to add is the attitude of equality hasn't changed for some. I met a man on here who will not hire single mothers or women of child bearing years. Something needs to prevent that discrimination so women can take care of themselves.
We need to find an alternative to affirmative action.
Why should he hire a single mother if she doesn't meet his requirements. I know someone that doesn't hire guy because she feels they'll make her clients uncomfortable. They are perfectly qualified, they just have penises.
A women of child bearing age means more expense in the books so you take as many as you can and cut your losses. I won't hire more than one or two women who are still giving birth, that's all the workforce not used I can pay for.
Haven't you noticed guys are in here are losers? All of my guy friends, who are very nice are feminists and they perfectly understand feminism is just the right thing they should support and actually they wanna date feminists lol
Guys who hates feminists in here think they believe in gender equality yet they believe wage gap isn't real thing because women choose to take care of babies but at the same time want their wife to take care of babies alone if they want to do it or not.
That's blasphemy and not even true !!
@Djaaaay sorry i was just trying to be sarcastic lol
ummm FYI the gender wage gap isn't real and if you do think that does exist then you are pure clueless
The problem is that Feminism has gotten to the point that it is no longer about equality, but more about having one gender being better than the other. Men have all these ideas force upon them from a young age, and then once they become adults women tell them that everything they knew is wrong and that they have to accept what women want. I would be upset too.
Their mind and hearts are still in the Dark Ages, trying to take down anything that might gain equal or greater power.
(Okay, that may have been a bit of an exaggeration... lol)
I personally am all for 100% equal rights for both genders. Women are just as human as men.
#rekt
Men aren't threatened at all. In fact most men are egalitarian and couldn't care less about what a woman does or her choices, it's just that most feminists are virtue signalling, hypocritical, fact skewing cunts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVuK44kWgxkListen, here, when I say: Gender equality has been achieved. And then third wave feminists hit.
Women have great power in court rooms. Divorces, prison rates and sentences, domestic violence lawsuits, rape cases, it's corrupt af
Schools r accepting girls over boys because of their sex.
I think the majority of those guys don't have a problem with real feminism (AKA equality). They have a problem with the crazy ideas that some "feminists" have (women who said that if they had a son then they wouldn't give them as much nutrition as a daughter so that he would be weaker for one example). Unfortunately the craziest "feminists" are the loudest and get the most attention, and those are the "feminists" that most guys are complaining about.
I dont believe for a second that they are.
This is the internet. This is where people LIVE for the opportunity to shock, to be edgy, to say the thing that is most calculated and designed to hurt, anger, and irritate.
Go into these things with the mindset that half of the people expressing a "hateful" opinion are doing it solely to rile you up, and you'd be surprised how easy it becomes to spot. Honestly. People will readily spout vitriol that they don't even feel, so long as it gets a reaction.
When we discuss feminism, It's more a liability issue. You have a lot of women who will ruin a guy over something said that maybe misconstrued. Truth is, If something goes bad with women, They have all kinds of resources to fall back on. Men hardly have any at all. Something goes south, We are simply thrown in the shark tanks with no recourse. We know a raw deal when we see it. As for me, I choose not to interact with women.
It isn't about being threatened by it it is just bad
Most of us support the original purpose of feminism wich is to treat everyone the same. it's more misanderist femenazis that a lot of us have a problem with, the kind of people that look to get offended by anything.
I'm triggered by your comment. Not because I'm a feminazi, but because I am a Grammar Nazi.
Women can either chose love or dominance. They cannot have both.
That is an evolutionary rule. It is coded in the DNA.
I would be nice for them to have both, but it is not possible.
And, as i know, women wanna be loved and wanna feel love. They are addicted to love.
I don't agree with, or support, feminism at all. Women have their biological, and social place and so do men. Women are meant to be wives, mothers, and caretakers. Men are supposed to be providers and protectors. This is how society operated for thousands of years, when families were actually valued. The breakdown of the family has led to the breakdown of society.
You want to back that up with some research or just continue making shit up?
@Peskyn3gr0 you claim to be 100 on your profile, so I am not too worried about whether or not you think I am making shit up.
That's what I thought.
Don't mind the morons. You're right, and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
maybe this feminist attitude is a complete turn off/deal breaker to them
Threatened isn't the right word...
If anyone should be threatened it's feminists. Right now Donald Trump has won and your gender politics and fake wage gap myths... are going to become irrelevant. Like fashion the movement of politics changes. Things are looking a lot more right wing over the next many years.
Well I'm not its just a little confusing because as a hispanic man I know how it is to not have equal opportunity but it seems like women that are protesting are not the women in these positions to get those jobs. Their is more women then men in college and have a better chance getting hired for those positions but it just seems that women that are protesting are the ones who are not in those professional fields?
Very few men think that.
Rather they think the Marxist inspired idea of patriarchy doesn't in fact exist, that overall women already are treated as well or better than males, that feminists are continuing to make things more unfair, and/or that feminists are pushing projects that make men and women less, rather than more, happy.
The tattooed blue haired lesbianic feminists are ruining women.
I wholeheartedly support Feminism. What I don't like is the so called "feminists" who exempt themselves from all the responsibilities of men and only seek more power. It just makes me sick that there are people in the world who use a positive ideology such as feminism to disguise their true intentions and justify wrong actions.
bunch of privellaged lesbians whining over a non existent patriarchy?
Honestly, couldn't care less, they are wound up over something which does not exist.
Men are not privellaged. At all.
We do not fear equality but the fanatics who uses this idea as a disguise and fight for female supremacy. Some things they ask for are reversing the power not equality itself.
I'm sorry but women complain about men being sexist etc but in my travels work etc, I find many women are single parent mothers who have children to loser men and many women willingly choose to go with men who are lets just say bottom of the barrel, they then turn around and take that anger out on decent guys, and decent men have to marry and date bitter women with baggage who make men go through hoops to do the same things that a low live did immediately with the girl.
Im for feminism and all, but there are feminists out there that i feel threatened from (https://witchwind. wordpress. com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/).
I think most man are for equal rights and feminism but a lot of us just dont like what is happening under the name feminism at least partly
well answered. i think the movement will become more refined with time. because just like there are good politicians and bad politicians, there are genuine feminists and fake ones.
I wouldn't say threatened, but some men can find a feminist women to be intimidating. I believe this is because some men are fearful of saying the wrong thing, or having something that they said misinterpreted as sexist. And what type of gender equality are we talking about? social, economical, or political?
They are two different things. Equality does not frighten men.
Your refusal to understand this fact has no bearing on its truth.
It takes men away from there masculine core.
It's creating generations of men, unsure of there masculine centre.
Making men that doubt their true nature and instincts.
The very definition of feminism is written as to where it is only valid given that women have fewer rights than men. Because that is not true and women have more rights than men, feminism no longer exists.
Because some women use it as an excuse for unrelated things, ruining it for the rest
I'm not a 3rd wave feminist simply because I feel like they're focusing on the wrong thing. I have up on them after I realized a lot of them didn't want equality, they were just pushing for more stuff that would benefit them without any trade offs from equality. For example, many girls who push for equality say war is no place for a woman, men can't hit a girl back in def defense, etc. I also gave up on when they started to discuss how oppressive how men sit is as opposed to the real issues.
To be honest I want equality because it brings many good things. I have meet amazing girls that submit and fear leaving marriage or relationship because of prejudgice. If gender equality is set, great man will have more woman approaching them and that is a good thing for me and other good man. Other man want to hold the power abuse woman and still not get punished
Are they threatened or do they FEEL threatened by having less male privilege?
because some people are trying to hold on to cultural norms and they don't like changed, even though feminism is not a new phenomena.
Because men think feminism=
Gay women
Feminazis
Claiming their jobs
And somehow it hurts their masculinity?
No men think that Feminism = organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
And since most of the users and feminists on this website live in countries men and women already have equal rights, I find that it's extremely stupid to only focus on the issues of one sex.
But a good job at trying to completely over simplify the issue.
@Maik567 yeah, because that makes sense? Like we don't need to make feminism a thing here before we'll be able to help other countries😂
Good job at being ignorant. No futher response needed.
What the fuck are you talking about? Feminism HAS been a thing in first world countries since the early 1900's, and back then it had a reason to exist too since women did not have the same rights as men. How ignorant are you to imply that feminism "isn't a thing here" when it has literally existed for over a hundred years now.
I remember you from the post where you whined about people treating you like a kid and now I understand why, it's because you are a complete child and you make ridiculous statements even without bothering to read the comments about why men actually dislike modern feminism. The fact that you're basically even asking me not to reply just proves that you know you don't have a fucking argument and you wish that I'd just go away since you can't actually defend your stupid ideas.
No, first world countries do not need feminism, we need to focus on both sexes. Third world countries need feminism cause women are treated as second class citizens.
@Maik567 ugh, fine, I'll respond. I just don't care about your response because you're typical.
Feminism wasn't so much a thing anymore, there's western countries america aside, dimwhit. In Europe, feminism wasn't nearly as big of a deal, because it had happened earlier. Therefore feminism died out a little before it's grand return the last few years.
As I said, without acknowledging it in western countries there will be no change in third world countries, purely because most of the third world countries still lean on their previous colony owners (no idea what it's called in english) for support. Schooling id the major key to changing opinions, second is politics.
We NEED to make feminism a thing again here for us to be able to help them THERE. Duh.
I'm not saying feminism needs to return to western countries. I'm not saying we need it like we used to. Yet we still need feminism, in a different form, a form that acknowledges the double standard and stigma around females...
(Which still happens!) but we also need egalitarians to make sure the males' common stigma and standards are resolved as well.
Just because I'm not in the mood to explain my view points doesn't mean I'm not able to.
"there's western countries america aside, dimwhit."
When did I ever say anything about this being an American thing? I specifically stated all first world countries but you still call me a dimwit after you make a stupid false assumption.
And no it didn't happen earlier in Europe either, it happened in the UK and the US at pretty much the same time. Honestly why do you keep making these stupid statements when you literally have no clue what you're talking about?
And feminism died out? Honestly you are completely fucking ridiculous, there is no point in arguing with a kid like you who makes statements like that with no evidence behind them.
www.google.com/trends/explore? date=all&q=feminism, womens%20right, gender%20equality&hl=en-US&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B5&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B5
If you look at the search interests you can see that feminism was actually more relevant in 2004 compared to now. So again you are literally wrong in what you said, do some fucking research before saying stupid things
I have absolutely no problem what the first wave of feminism did, but the first wave of feminism ended before neither of us were even born. It doesn't exist anymore, modern feminism is third wave feminism and it has nothing to do with true equality anymore and we absolutely don't need it.
We are at a point where we need to focus on both sexes, that is true equality. And if you are a feminist that means you're only focused on women's issues and I have no respect for someone living in a first world country who claims to want equality but only cares about one sex. THAT IS WHY I DON'T LIKE FEMINISM.
And no you still couldn't explain your points at all, you just made up some shit that sounded right to you but if you had done any research you would have realized it was bullshit.
You want social activism to be divided between men and women, I want them to be united. And you fucking dare to call me ignorant.
@Maik567 it's an assumption because you speak of it happening not too long ago.
It DID happen earlier in Europe than america. The UK is not Europe.
If you fucking read what I wrote you'd see I said it died out after first wave, since then youth culture happened recreating feminsim again. (So it begun somewhere in the 90', and YES feminism was popular in 2004, like I said, a couple years ago)
AGAIN, R E A D.
I said we need both. Feminism needs to be studied in our schools so we can try and help third world countries. Egalitarism is needed in western society, yes. (As I already said). BUT, egalitarian means the male standard can come down as well.
It's much more complex. I'm done with this.
People consider 1970's to be the end of first wave feminism and the beginning of the second wave. So no it wasn't that long ago.
And where did it start earlier, I literally just looked it up and all the European countries I saw it happened around the same time. If you're gonna make a statement like that then post proof behind it cause you are fucking wrong. It did not happen earlier in Europe, do some fucking research.
FEMINISM WAS NEVER "RECREATED" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
You are a fucking joke honestly, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about but you still continue to state your bullshit as if they were facts. You are a naive little child.
2004 was 12 years ago, that is not "a couple of years ago"
No WE don't need both. WE need unity. We need just straight up humanism that is focused on equality all around, not just one specific group.
Literally all you can do is make up shit and try to present it as facts. It's fucking pitiful.
Adam said "What's for dinner?" Eve said "I've made us a lovely fruit pie!" From then on Adam did all the cooking!!! Feminism is what happens when women get the urge to bake!
It IS undermining the patriarchy!! That's the point of it!!
And I'm all for that. I think women are strong and don't need to be controlled and pitied by men. Screw the patriarchy.
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What we hate are the femiazi's that are hypocritical in the sense they complain about wanting to do things themselves yet want to be treated like a princess
Because gender will never be equal and feminist is a misandry movement.
I fully support equality, but I hate women that feel the need or feel justified in damaging or hurting a man in fairly to get it.
Because the world works well and everything makes sense when we are in charge. And besides, most women think it gives them the right to be total assholes. Women are just natural attention seekers, we wouldn't be as far as we;ve gotten if we kept paying attention to them in the past. The women i respect include the woman who invented kevlar, that is a true queen.
Some men aren't threatened others see it as though it over extends itself sometimes so that is when people get PO'd because of it. Because they misinterpret guys who are defending it to being neckbearded fedora wearing alt-right fucks.
Threatened.. !! Men aren't threatened by feminism , just disgusted by it. Men also know that true feminist are only athiest. If you really knew what true feminism is ; Ill bet you would think otherwise. Then again it wouldn't surprise me one bit
But who was bachelor tax and heavy tax pay money allocation to single mothers?
@BubbleBoy69 What does this have to do with the question?
I'm pointing out feminist are a threat because the people in power take them seriously and change laws for them.
@BubbleBoy69 I see your point , although this is what ( Trump vs Hillary) was really all about and the new world order that Trump and those who voted for him are in fact fighting against. Lesbianism is the hidden agenda of feminism. Who are all athiest. True feminism started in the garden of eaden. Equality is what feminist hides behind claiming good out of evil intentions. Just like the Devil didn't want to be greater than God , only equal.
Asker... you should try learning the real trueth about your question before taking sides , or you just want others to support your believe regardless. I challenge you to be open to trueth over insider lies
Asker... not up to the trueth?
Because people don't seem to know what actually stands for, they don't realise that the man-hating movement doesn't stand for real feminism.
Actually I don't feel threatened personally. My vexation with feminism rests with the fact that in a divorce they get half the guy's stuff, and almost invariably custody of the kids, and they still complain of being treated unfairly.
because when i step out of my house, there is a looming fear that some sicko might rape me- women are raped MORE than guys.
because my parents still dont allow me to go out at night.
because i can't wear whatever i want to without being judged- as if my clothes are for some guy's benefit, rather than my own!
because after marriage, in my custom, i have to leave my parents house and not my husband.
because i would be called a slut for sleeping around while a guy is called a stud for doing the same ( not implying i want to sleep around, just highlighting the difference)
because after marriage, i am the one who has to CHOOSE between having a career OR a family, while a guy can easily have both, without being labelled as a bad father.
because despite how much i earn, i will be the one who would be cooking and doing majority of chores at my house after marriage and not my husband.
thats why we complain.
i know things are changing but majority of society is still like this. unfortunate truth!
i am not bashing men. i am bashing these hypocritical patriarchal values and thoughts which exist in our world. men, pls understand the difference.
@IndianGirl01 What you just said is exactly what people need to hear right now.
@IndianGirl01 Yet most of these things apply to men too, yet it dosent matter then? In the u. s More men is actually raped, in my country its about even 50/50 last I checked. But does it matter who is raped the most?, shouldn't anyway, rape is bad either way. Overall though, a guy is more likely to get hurt by going stepping out of the house, more violence is done towards men.
Parents thing go for both genders obviously.
People judge you for everything, both men and women, nobody can wear whatever they want without being judged, it shouldn't be that way, sure, but not a issue that belong to just women again.
I never seen a guy once in my life ever get called "stud" for sleeping around, people in general look down on everyone who sleeps around, not a gender thing, and the whole stud thing is a myth as far as I would say, cause never once seen it happen, only in movies, but movies aren't reality.
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Since women are the only one who can actually give birth, I dont see what is so weird if they kinda have focus on either having a child or career, since you can freely choose, thats just a good thing. No guy can easily be both though, the endless stories about "dad being away to work" a lot among children is pretty common, and naturally after birth, not every women choose to be a stay home mom either, I know a few where the father is home and the women work for example. People can figure all that stuff out on their own, whatever works for the individual person or situation. Whoever is away anyway, would probably be labeled easier as the "bad" parent.
Only if you choose so, you dont have to do the cooking and cleaning, I sure as hell cook and clean on my own, and if I was married, that wouldn't be any different either.
I think the unfortunate truth dosent even get heard when it comes to a lot of feminists. Cause seem to only see one side.
no buddy. u are blaming me of just looking at one side, but even u are doing the same. obviously i am also against rape or violence of any sorts, and yes u r right- it doesn't matter who is raped more, bcoz rape is bad. but its a fact that in my country, where i actually live, women are much more vulnerable to the crime and i am scared that someone i know myt get hurt. i still haven't found a solution to it, thats why i am still complaining.
and even regarding the parents thing, my curfew is much earlier than my bro's curfew at night. why? how do u think that makes me feel? u knw how many events i had to miss bcoz of dat?
& when have u seen a guy being judged for wearing shorts? & how many times i HAVE seen a girl, including myself, judged for wearing shorts? many.
hw many times is a man judged for choosing to give more tym to his career and less to his kids?
while my mom is judged daily, if bcoz of her career she is unable to do household work, while my dad just comfortably sits around.
when men say that you are only looking at one side of the problems, they are wrong coz i know guys also face a different set of problems.
but i ask how are men contributing to find solutions to the problems that i presented earlier to them?
u wanted ur problems to be noticed. great, people do know about them now! while women issues have been noticed from decades and decades, but still not much solution! its normal to ignore them, especially here. no one cares much to bring a change at smaller levels, do they?
whenever i say this is all that i face , guys say this is all that they face. ok, fine i get it! but how is that solving any of mine or ur issues, but just inviting the comparison as to who has more issues !
and how will THAT solve anything?
@IndianGirl01 Im not blaming you for anything. Hell im the one saying things have two sides while you only mention one (hence me bring up the other side) not cause there is one, but cause their is two. While I will say, India no doubt is not a good country for women, so yes there is no doubt that India need to work on, well so many things honestly. That you are afraid to go out, not any weird. But dont make it into one side there, cause its not a women thing. Most people think, believe and would say its unsafe to go alone a dark alley, to be outside late at midnight etc, which again isent a gender thing. Its a problem everyone have. So if you want to complain about it, at least include both genders since again an issue for both, not an issue just women have.
While naturally I dont know your family at all, like how old is your brother? is he older? if so, not any weird he's curfew is longer, but you are 19 years old correct? If so you are an adult now, so you "should" anyway -
do whatever you want and step outside whenever you want. Dont have to listen to your parents anymore, i stoped doing that when I was 12 anyway, lol. But yeah you are 19, you mkae your own decisions, while I know India in particular can be pretty tight and strict with rules, traditions etc when it comes to family and im not entirly sure of the actual law there, but for countries in genereal anyway you are an adult at that age, nobody can enforce you at that point to have any curfew, not breaking any laws by just doing ur own thing. Oh plenty about the shorts thing. Particularly if a guy wear shorts that are well short, always get remarks like "how gay", but hell yes guys get judged, which yes here again, no doubt seen way more of the guy getting judged for shorts than women no doubt, but again India is different. Well than your dad should get of his ass an help out more, and if things are really bad than your mother should just divorse him, she can can't she?
@IndianGirl01 Please dont say "men" when you say that, cause every guy is in an individual with individual thoughts, same goes for women too naturally. But yes guys have problems, women have problems, and it changes depending on culture, location etc, cause naturally in India there is completely different problems compared to my country , compared to u. s and the uk too for example. So what is true for you and your situation/country its not necessary true for mine, or someone else, so hard to say or label issues for men and women in general when it changes to much depending on where you are.
Well naturally you have the police who try to make the world safer anyway, most police offers are "men", so naturally they contribute simply even there, with trying to make the world safer. But it generally is no absolute solution to anything really. Cause yes where I live, we had our first rape incident reported/recorded ever last year. Never been any reports of rape here
@IndianGirl01 So naturally here its not an issue. Generally pretty safe to go outside after midnight an so on, the wildlife is probably the most dangerous part really, bears, wolves etc. I haven't even talked about the issues men hav though really, not here anyway, in Europe or the states for example which is more like the opposite, where women have so many benefits that guys dont have, I dont get either how its openly so okay to be sexist towards guys here as well. Like they would air this commercial that compared guys to trash, you could just resycle them when u get bored of them, like wow seriously. If that had been women, it would never been aired, would never get that far, but cause it was men, it was okay.
Either way, I have 2 indian friends, so I dont doubt you. I heard a lot of crappy shit going on in india and yeah not suprised if people ignore like that. A lot of messed up stuff going on there.
Awareness brings change, its a start that anyway
I don't think gender equality is bad, it's just most feminists want to have more power or something, as I see. Also, they want to be equal or more powerful, but they don't want to be forced to be in the draft or anything else men have to do.
I'm not threatened by gender equality, but I am threatened by someone who tries to dictate over me, regardless of gender.
Were not most of us are fine with it and even encurage ot (unless you're an asshole) we just dont like the women that think elitism is the same thing as feminism
Its not about being threatened or insecure. Feminism is degenerate and it is cancer not only to patriarchy but to the entire society. Im gonna write a take where Im gonna explain it in detail
Feminism has nothing to do with gender equality to begin with.
Feminism is to gender equality as the KKK is to racial equality.
Feminism spouts being for gender equality but in practice it couldn't be further from the truth.
Both Saudi Arabia and Iran also hates women rights. Are you agreeing with them?
@AmericanDude false equivalency. I'm for equal rights, not feminism.
Men always think themselves as the alpha. Every women should have equal rights like. Women are treated badly in most countries. This system should stop comparing women with men. Everyone should have equal rights.
I think that egalitarian feminism is 100% accepted and valued by most but that ridiculous FemiNazi stuff is pretty hated
I don't feel threatened by feminism but the ones I am sick of are the ones who misrepresent feminism by negating their gender roles while expecting men to be held to theirs.
Not threatened by equality. Just dislike feminism, the term alone
I'm not threatened by equality and neither is the majority of men which is why we hate feminism because it promotes gender inequality
Only male chauvinists and misogynists feel threatened, I actually support feminism.
I don't feel threatened by feminism i believe a woman or girl should be who she wants to be.
It's because feminism is Marxism pretending to be woman's rights advocacy.