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It's for the exact same reasons so many white people felt or even still feel threatened by black people and other minorities being given equal status. The white man (or even some white women for this matter), especially in America, feels like they've been robbed of their virtues.
When you're used to privilege, equality can feel a lot like oppression.
Men are the caring, sensitive ones. Women can be that way, but we are naturally born this way.
In saying that, it is not the idea of feminism that is so repulsive, even though there can never be equality in the sexes because we are not actually equal. It is the shrill, holier than thou, angry, hateful, bitter, in your face attitude in which third wave women flaunt their perceived superiority.
They belittle men, tear caring men down, threaten us, use your bodies as weapons, and generally become the antithesis of what a real man truly desires. Devoted, affectionate, caring, loyal woman. A feminist is none of those things, and if she is, she is only when she feels like he deserves it.
Which is almost never.
You want gender equality so bad, go fight where women are stoned to death for being raped, go fight for it in Moslem countries.
You don't go out often, do you?
@Peskyn3gr0 Your words remind me of an insulted liberal. You respond emotionally, without any substantive reply, because you literally have no argument to the contrary. It's all just emotion.
Where is your evidence that men are the "caring, sensitive ones" while women just have the option to be? You're not saying anything grounded in fact, you're just spewing nonsense. "Use your bodies as weapons" What are you talking about? Have you ever dated a feminist?
@Peskyn3gr0 Well, pesky Negro, my evidence is rooted in fact. I was tortured by feminists growing up so I know how they act. Care to differ?
You were tortured by feminists? Yeah, I'm that's true, some facts you got there. Just a bitter, lonely virgin.
@Peskyn3gr0 Again, a pathetic excuse for a reply. I have done things sexually that you'd hope to do. You are a loser, and someone who hopes to do a fifth of the things i have done. You are pathetic, and will die a lonely, old man. You offer no substantive replies. You have no reason, or excuses. You are pathetic.
Guys are different. One man's fancy may not be the other's, it's all procedural.
I think some guys are stuck in the old ways, where women have the role of nurturing, homemaker, etc. Who don't think that a woman can do the same thing as men.. but in the same respect there are also ones who have a respect for all genders but don't have to put a label it.
In the same respect, though, it seems like some of the female feminists are all about doing the same stuff as guys, until it comes down to time to do something that a male generally does. I don't they are presented with the most accurate statistics, and are following the movement for the wrong reasons.
as a woman i generally dont like the current feminist movement or gender equality, i do not feel they represent my best interests. how can i expect men to embrace those movements if i cannot
We're not threatened by gender equality, so take that shit out of here.
We hate feminism cause it wants to bring us down. Feminism IS cancer.
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you sound troubled my friend
You sound like you don't know how to read, sweetheart.
the patriarchy is crumbling by the day
@Asker
obvious troll is obvious
or is a retard who doesn't read up anything about feminism and believes its all lovehearts and equality
@disgustingweebtrash I know, she's a troll. A bad one, as usual with the pink anons.
Patriarchy crumbling? Trump's election suggests otherwise.
@Centurion20000 lol ever been to a divorce proceeding?
Why yes I have. It cost me $600. And I never will get trapped in that bad contract again. But keep trying to troll. Meanwhile men still run the planet.
@Centurion20000 that's what you think, I hope your ex took you to the cleaners ;) wave goodbye to the patriarchy
I spend more than $600 at Costco silly girl. Keep on trolling though.
@Centurion20000 keep on being forever alone
You make it sound like that's a problem. I've had my children and I can find companionship at any time. Why do I need a wife at this point? Other than sex what could you POSSIBLY bring to the table for less long-term expense than outsourcing those functions? [maid, cook, other]
@Centurion20000 the dating market has spoken and now it blatant why you're single, lonely and bitter. enjoy your twilight years pops. the only companionship you're goanna get is from hookers.
Whatever lets you sleep at night cupcake. Go peddle your shame and insanity somewhere else.
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Men's Rights Activist? Nope. And why are you so worried about my sex life?
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Can you both stop? This is annoying xD
Says the anonymous poster without the intestinal fortitude to post in the clear. Yeah right.
@Centurion20000 lol big talk from a guy in his 30s that's forever alone.
@Centurion20000 i'll let you get to your usual routine bruh
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https://i.imgur.com/ifBWL4v.gif when u realise OP is pathetic
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not even a dank meme
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Screw you guys, I'm muting this question xD
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@Centurion20000 your mother raised you well,, such a wonderful man.
I can give the big long essay response which I have done ad nauseam on this website. But for me, personally, the primary reason is because I feel like feminism has singlehandedly destroyed my dream of someday having a family and being sovereign over my household. Thanks to feminism, the traditional family unit has been destroyed through rampant promiscuity, no fault divorce, single parent households, and a hedonistic culture that says if something feels good, you ought to do it regardless of whether or not it is truly beneficial in the end. Through social engineering and indoctrination, it has become increasingly difficult for someone like me to ever have a family.
Ok, where it shakes out torn menand many guys is this... many feminists are not about gender equality where it is actually equal. They basically want a license to man hate and man bash under the guise of feminism. It's like religion, there are people of faith who use it positively and others who let it bring out negativity and judgement. Many feminists are pure man haters, and that doesn't solve anything. Also similar to reverse racism, it doesn't help make anything better even if the points are justified. And when they are man haters, I think it makes them worse than the average joe walking around who is institutionally chauvinistic. They are trying to hurt or be mean to men because they feel oppressed, even if that specific man wasn't sexist to them specifically.
Also, none of us are threatened by it. The fact that is even something women think is happening misses the whole point. It's like we are speaking he same language if you think we are...
If a guy has the problem with equal rights with women. it's the same reason whites had a problem with equal rights with black.
i agree
i agree.
i think its that giving up their long enjoyed privilege hurts them.
We are not afraid of true "equality" or egalitarianism. What we don't like it the BS form that feminism has taken; basically double-standards on about every issue. THAT'S not equality.
See below for one of the most drastic and clear cut double-standards you'll see almost daily...
www.attn.com/.../media-double-standard-for-female-and-male-rapists
The double standards are a huge part of it. Especially in the sense of the feminists typically only wanting the benefits that come with equality, and none of the consequences that do.
@Botchie Yes. They want the traditional privileges plus the benefits of equality without the responsibilities and obligations that go with both!
Threatened isn't the right word. I'd say feminism is loathed. Men aren't scared of feminists, more so they despise them and find their bullshit annoying and repulsive.
Lol! Most women don't like it either. It's not what it used to be (supporting women; encouraging them). Now it is only about complaining and putting down men in a very ugly, un-feminine way. So any feminine woman, of course, wouldn't call herself one.
But you're asking a very passive aggressive question... There is no right answer to that question; you're just trying to start something.
Don't think anyone here is that stupid. :)
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Men are brought up in a certain way and that way of thinking is we have to be providers and there's all this pressure put on us at a very young age. Once we get to the age that we have to do all the things we were told, we feel like it was all a waste when a woman wants to take that role from us.
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I was actually explaining why things are the way they are.
taking your very apt username into account, remind me why we should respect your input?
I'm not asking for you to respect my input. You asked a question, I gave MY answer. If you don't agree with it, dismiss it. If you're going to comment, be civilized about it.
that's all true. can we be friends now? :)
Yes that's fine. But do you understand my original response to your question?
I disagree with it but yeah I do.
Which part do you disagree with?
another time, not in the mood to go over it.
alright. Private Message me
Agree with feminism:
-Women deserve equality
-Equal pay, equal opportunities
-Freedom to choose gender roles
-No stereotyping, no disrespect, no misogyny
Disagree with feminism:
-Women have no privilege
-#killallmen #maletears, misandry is funny
-Women cannot be sexist
-Only whites can be racist
-We live in, and support rape culture
-Silencing techniques, refusal of open debate
-Re-defining words to suit agenda (racism, sexism, rape etc.)
-Violence, threats, disrespect, bias against men is ok because they have power
-Belief that they have the divine right to be angry, rude and antagonistic
If you're working towards equality, go ahead. Just please don't be an asshole.
I don't see how it helps the cause.
nail on the head mate. cannot agree more
This is what I think. Most men here are just losers living in their parent's basement. They never talked to a woman expect for their mom. I'm happy that I'm not living in my parent's basement and actually have a social life.
Bingo
That's because you're not a grown up yet. The grown ups on here actually read the description which has nothing to do with having a social life.
@ThisAndThat That's nice I guess lol
It's eliminating gender roles, which is actually a bad. Men are the protectors while women are the nurturers. It has only allowed us to evolve for thousands of years, so why fuck it up now?
When you have what is essentially two men in the household, children often end up in day care, where they become assholes and this harms them.
They are also taking over sports, too many ESPN shows where it's a man and a woman. Sports are our last resort from feminism and now it's being ruined.
Biology will always win over emotion. This is why some women try to fuck as many guys in sight before they are forced to settle down (in their 30s), because of biology.
Also there is nothing more unattractive than a career-driven woman
Edit: which is actually a bad thing.
Feminism IS cancer and is not about equality, at least not in the west. Females have even more rights than men, which is not equality. Real feminist would either try to take those extra rights away or give them to men as well. Not lie and complain about problems that literally don't exist.
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So what exact more rights women have in west? It seems like US women might not be able to abort rapists babies some day since Trump won the election and i can see some disgusting American films that sexualize women too much and i've read rape culture in college in there. Also i've heard employer fire pregnant women some times and it's extremely hard for women to work if they have babies
Though i live in East where sexism is really cruel and acceptable, I wonder why do you think women in there have same rights with men
@Hihikinn that, falls under the category of "lie and complain about problems that literally don't exist." All women need to be on birth control to begin with, so I don't care about abortion. And it doesn't matter who's president, that's never going away. America has had plenty "pro-life" presidents, and guess what's still legal. The fact that you think films "sexualizing" women is wrong. In America, women have freedon of choice. It is their choice 100% of the time. Nobody is forcing these women to participate. They do it because guess what? They have the right to! Rape culture does not exist in the west. I repeat, DOES NOT EXIST! In America, 99% of the population will tell you rape is the worst thing a person can do. People go to prison for rape, unless they're female, and get their lives completely ruined because there is no rape culture. A female lies about rape, it's proven to be a lie, she admits it's still a lie, and that innocent person's life is still ruined.
Now let's talk about the extra rights women have in America. They have the right to equal pay. They get paid the exact same as a man even if they are less qualified and work less hours. Also, women don't get fired for getting pregnant, they get a thing called maternity leave where they get paid to sit at home and be pregnant. Depending on the job and the amount of risk to the pregnancy, the female can get the whole pregnancy off work and months after the baby is born because in America, babies can't go to daycare if they're too young. I think they have to be at least a month old, but I'm not sure. You know how much time a man gets if he has a baby? None. He has to use sick or vacation days to spend time with their children. Women also get custody of the children 75% of the time. Not because she's a better parent, but because she's a woman. Now, she usually can't support herself and a child alone so that's where alimony, child support, and state assistant comes in.
There's no birth control which is 100% safe.
In my country, there are women who thinks they should be obey their husband and they think they are feminists because they have all the rights to do that. But actually they learned what their sexists culture taught them. Women might want to be sexualized but there has been so long history that women are considered as sex objects and i think it affects them a lot.
And rape culture, i mean in university. I do read so many articles that exists but i am not an American so I won't talk about this anymore.
But women are raped in your country and feminism should be needed to reduce the rates. Do you think guys will always rape women and it's their instinct then? Make them go to jail doesn't make the society safe.
and i actually think feminism should make dads to have maternal leaves. And I don't think it's more rights moms having maternal leaves. They have maternal leaves because female are considered as a caregiver. Both of gender should have maternal leaves.
@Hihikinn the pill is 99.7% affective so if every women in America was on it and was sexually active, there would only be about 300 unplanned pregnancies in the country a year compared to 52% of all pregnancies being accidents.
I don't care if women werr treated like sex objects because they're not anymore. And if the current generation doesn't have a problem with obeying their husbands, then maybe the next generation will, like you. But that's not feminism because they already have the right to do so. It's just a change of taste, which I think is good. Peoole should "obey" because they want to, not because they have to.
Yes, people in America are raped. Women, men, children, animals. It happens. But it does not happen nearly as much as people are trying to tell you it does. Feminist are trying to change the definition of rape, which is not okay. Rape is a horrible and awful thing to happen to you. Trust me, I know. That's why I hate what they're doing so much.
People in America also get robbed, beaten, and killed. People get punished, but people also get away with it, and that sucks. It's always going to happen, no matter where you live. The best we can do as people is teach our children the value of life so they grow up knowing all that stuff is wrong, while in many countries it's okay if it's done to women, or gays. Violence against anyone is not okay, but at least in America it's illegal to kill people, it's illegal to force yourself on someone, and unlike some countries, it's illegal to throw acid in someone's face. Is America perfect? No, but these feminist are trying to make it seem like they're in the middle of some war and they're not. Women are given so much more help than men, which is the exact opposite of feminism. Women are just as capable of men and should have to earn custody of their kids like men do or earn a good job like men do.
I agree with everything you said.
I actually work as an advocate for rape victims. I guarantee that rape culture most definitely does exist. I work with rape every week and I see it all the time. Just because you are blind to a problem does mean that it does not exist. It does and it is very mentally disturbing to those who are victims of it. Rape is a very difficult case to prove and they rapist does not always go to jail. I have seem people in law shame victims after speaking out. This causes a lot of emotional trauma. I have seem people make excuses for the guy and shame the woman. People having the attitude that men are supposed to be the pursuer or the aggressor and women are supposed to act like they don't want it when really they do. I have had numerous men think that my no really means a yes and I've literally had to physically push one off of me and it wasn't easy to do. Just because you don`t personally experience the rape culture doesn't mean that it isn't there.
@meowyumyum I'm blind to a problem despite being raped at knife point when I was only 7 years old? Rape culture does not exist in the west. I repeat, rape culture does not exist in the west. Say it to yourself 7 times in the mirror if you have to so this fantasy that you have can be wiped away. Rape culture does not exist in the west. If it did, rape would not be illegal. Lives would not be ruined over FAKE rape charges. There would not be countless shelters for women. You people are absolutely disgusting. You think something like rape and being raped is actually cute, but it's not.
What? Do tou think rape culture does mean the culture where rape is allowed legally?
there's no culture where rapists don't go jail. but there are so many culture that people make excuses for rapists and shame victims and force victims to not call cops.
@Hihikinn the definition of culture is "the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively." Saying America has a rape culture is applying that the majority of Americans are rapist or have been raped. If you're going to preach about wanting rape culture so bad, then you're also going to have to preach about killing culture, or drug culture. America is in its biggest herion epidemic right now, not a REAL rape epidemic. "Manspreading" is not rape and neither is eye contact. But no, you never hear feminazis complain about that because it doesn't fit their agenda.
@Hihikinn no culture where rapist don't go to jail? So, China, India, and Pakistan don't exist? Last time I checked, it was legal for husbands to rape their wives. The women can even be punished for defending themselves against it. Material rape has been illegal in America in every state since 1993. Also, you know why it's not legal? Because Americans are against rape!
China india and pakistan are against rape. But the definition of rape is different to US one. And feminists have been working to change the definition to be more rational and helpful to rape victims. in my country, feminists made husband raping wife ilegal. Yeah we are against that. But you know what? Nobody believes even judges never believe women can be raped by husband even the law is exist. I'd call it rape culture. It does happen everywhere rape victims are not considered victims because of some different reasons. If she said NO, it does mean NO. And if she doesn't said YES it doesn't mean YES. I've heard US feminists have been working on only yes means yes (of course without threat).
They are still wroking for women's rights and I don't see any problem that we call gender equality movement 'feminists' to admit and remember women's history where we have been opressed
@Hihikinn feminism has already done it's job. Women can drive, women can ride bikes, women don't have to be escorted by men. Women can vote, women can own property, women can get an education, women can work in any field they want as long as their qualified, which as I said, they have to right to become qualified. Womem in the past worked so our so we, and our daughters, can accomplish anything they have the will to? What else do you want? What else can we do? Instead of complaining about things that there's really nothing else to do with, we should be trying to change other countries who treat women wrong. Maybe there's Americans can do, maybe it's just up to them now. And that sucks, but life sucks. Bad things happen, like people getting away with rape and other crimes. If there's not enough evidence, there's not else that can be done for a fair trial. My rapist got away and it still hurts, but so many other women get justice, and that makes me feel better.
believe it or not, US is considered the country 'which has to change' by girls from other countries. Believe what you believe. Feminism still can change lots of things.
Father's maternal leave, stereotyping, reduce rape rates and a lot. Do you know stereotyping makes girls to not interested on science and math so that keep them from being scientist?(from lots of studies in us, they proved girls are as good as boys are at science and math and there is some country that girls math and science grades are higher than boys) Do you know our history books removed lots of female who made lots of achievements? Same rights and opportunity aren't invisible some times.
*are invisible
@Hihikinn if the US "has to change," it's changing females socially and that has nothing to do with itself as a country. American women these days are incredibly brainwashed and toxic by feminist like you. They don't avoid math and science because they're scared. They avoid it because they know they can get a degree in feminist studies, collect welfare and sit on the internet all day complaining how it is man's fault they can't get a job. Honestly, you disgust me and I'm done. The fact that some people can be so stupid and brainwashed is beyond me. You are why feminism is cancer. Congrats since that is OBVIOUSLY what you have tried to hard to do. The second facts were brought in you stopped and moved on to nonsense. Feminism crumbles once facts are involved and you are toxic. Please never reproduce. Actually, that's something America needs to do. Stop females like you from ruining another generation. Sickening.
Ok, this argument just went to you cyber bullying @Hihikinn She had a lot of good points and she was being kind about it. People on here talk about feminists being the bullies but I`ve seen no bullying from the ones on here who claim to be feminist.
@meowyumyum I hope you realize 100% of what anon is said it true. Even what you called "cyber bullying." You feminazis have completely ruined women. Now they're all entitled and snotty because of beasties like you and @Hihikinn. You may think that women are puppets can be controlled but they're not! Down with feminism!!!
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I can't see it happening in the next five years unfortunately, but both sexes need to wake up to the fact that we need to co-exist together. There are many essential qualities women posses which men will never have i. e. motherhood and vice versa for men i. e. being the provider and seed giver.
With the prominence of hard line feminists and the rise of MGTOW, it just seems to be a great big tug of war between the two genders.
At the end of the day, we are all human beings with a brain, two arms, two legs, and basic needs such as food, shelter and warmth. I think people get so drawn away from that and sucked into their own little world or power struggle.
At the end of the day, we'll always be different from each other, but why can't we just get on and stop trying to one up each other all the time
Nobody is threathen by gender equality, except maybe feminists cause thats like the least thing they care about while of course is what they preach the most. I would rather say people who support feminism are insecure and threathen rather, cause its fairly easy to prove how wrong they are about so many things.
In all seriousness, I dont see how anyone who actually cares about gender equality could ever support feminism, even the defintion alone prove its not about equality.
Equal rights between men and women is literally the definition of feminism.
@meowyumyum No its not, the most commen definition feminists use for their group is not about equality, so bring your defintion for it and lets see.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/feminism?s=t
@meowyumyum And there you go yes. Betting you dont see how. But when you break it down its pretty clear the defintion is not about equality.
"the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. "
"Equal to those of men", not women, not both genders, just men. Meaning if women had a right that men didn't have, that definition dosent care about it, cause its about women having all the rights men do, but not men having all the rights women do. And thats not equality. Cause if this definition was law and reality. We could live in a society were men were complete slaves, we had one right, we got to choose what we wanted to eat, nothing else. a society/reality like that dosent break that rule/definition cause women can choose whatever they wanna eat too, you can hold and stay true to it in a society where men are slaves. Thats how poorly that definition is. So no, defitnion of feminism is not about equality.
Lol cmon you are just arguing to argue. It says right equal to those of men not rights superior to those of men.
@meowyumyum lol. Arguing to argue. wow. Shame you didn't bother to just think for one second. But oh well
I did think. There is no reason at all that it should even say equal to that of other women... we already have equal right to other woman and definition of equal when dealing with humans is a person considered to be the same in quality degree or value. So if you look at the definition of equal and add it the the definition of feminism it's this:
"the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women the same in quality degree or value to those of men."
Maybe this helps you. Either you have trouble interpreting the word equal or you have a desperate need to hate on feminism so much that you were just looking at a way to twist the definition around to benefit your negative view. I get the radicals are annoying and really they aren't even feminist... just girls that are angry at men and want something to bitch about but true feminism isn't like that at all.
@meowyumyum Am I supposed to say you are arguing to argue now?
But no, I didn't mean it should be said like that, I would change the whole sentence/thing really. But if change it like that, its still not "equal" cause of the word advocating in either case. If feminism is about female issues first and foremost then sure, it would fit at least. Cause yeah dosent say anything about adovcating for men, which makes it one sided yet again, so even with those changes it heavily focuses on side which leads to superiority anyway.
No I have no desperate need to hate on feminism, but dear lord is it a vile movement. And its easy for everyone to say whoever is not a "true feminist" people do that with religion all the time too, put 20 christians in the same room and they all would tihnk of each others as not true christians, same with feminism too it seems, yet each and everyone one of them dont think the other count. So if you supposedly care about equality for example
You should be pretty damn loud or vocal against these "not real feminists". Considring how muc they taint your group then. But for curiosity sake, what is true feminism, point to anyone known really that align with your defintion of a feminist. Cause if its people like Anita sarkessian or Laci green you can get behind.. yeah. You are just the same as the rest. Would support sexsist scam artists even if so.
Although while think of on it, can't think of any known feminists whos not sexsist. So sure, maybe not anyone I know, but all these sexsist feminist media covered ladiers or what not should regardless not be front figures for your group.
I find it so odd that I have to defend that I believe in equal rights. I looked at some of the opinions on here and I find it ironic that the non feminists are the ones being aggressive while saying that feminists are that way. The feminist movement started when women had WAY less rights than a man. The reason that it advocates more saying that women should have equal right towards men is because that is where is started and around the world in many countries it still holds to be a huge problem. I really don`t know much about where you live but we live in different environments and around different people so I am sorry if you have had bad experiences. My own personal experiences, 99% of the feminists I have met have not wanted to step over men at all. I really just love all people and think that we should all have equal rights. That is why I am one. You can say that the definition is saying that women want to be superior over men but that would literally be you twisting words around.
It is similar to me showing you a paper saying that 1+1=2 and you are saying No, the paper says 1+1>2. It`s not. I am only saying that these women that you are explaining are not real feminists because you are saying that these feminist you know do not care about equality and literally that is what the definition of feminism is about equality. I love men and I love women. I think people are great and we all work better when we view each other as equals. I personally feel very blessed for the feminist movement because now I have so much more freedom that many of the women in the past or in other countries right now have. There are still inequalities that need to be looked at in the USA with gender inequality and race inequality too but its gotten so much better and I think its good to look at problems in inequality and make it better even if they aren't as major as they were back in the day.
@meowyumyum Well to be honest, thats how bad the movement have gotten. Feminist who show up at suicide conventions to try and silence "men" for talking about suicide, cause wasent allowed to do that. I dont know if you seen that vid, but thats pretty disugsting and sickening to watch, all these feminists who showed up to these conventions who started to say all these horrible things, happen more than once too. But maybe that would give you some idea anyway and some understanding for why so many seem so aggresive towards feminists, its generally aggresion they give back from what they recieve.
In either case though, i did look at more of your other comments on gag I mean, to just know you better in a way. You do seem like a sweet caring person really, so I dont doubt that you as an indivudal care and fight for equal rights, while im not sure how much you are aware of the two sides and struggles about it all. I do believe in your intent.
@meowyumyum Will just say tho, I dont feel like im twisting anything, guess we can say instead we have different views or interpretations of things, cause its not as closed cased as a math equation. Rather than a painting with an image, you see the art in one way, I see it in a different way. Defitnion thing I guess would need a netural language liquist to settle perhaps, lol, but moving on. I understand where the movement began, but what many seem to fail to realise about it all though was that voting had its downsides for example. And men as well naturally have been suppresed by society throughout history too, its not "men" whos been in power, its the rich. Its the poor men and women alike who has been stepped on over the years. Cause yeah with the voting thing, that meant you had to draft in the past, you couldnt vote without being drafted in the military. Which generally is what guys did or had to do. Which isent much of a priveliege exactly, to serve as cannon fodder for war
@meowyumyum But im curious though in a way, why not go for egalitarisme since that without doubt is what you believe in, why feminism?
But yeah, my personal experience, is more like the complete opposite, 99% of the feminists met are rather insane, lol. Not to even mention all the sexsist terms they created, mansplaining, man spreading and killallmen hashtag an so on. But yeah certainly different experiences. Well I hope you will fight for both sides anyway and not get fooled by all these other feminists who make up so much stuff even.
In either case, wish you good luck and hope you have a nice day still :)
I am egalitarian for sure but I guess since this thread is specifically targeting feminism that is just what I had to mind to talk about. Where I live it is a very conservative area so we really do not have too many loud and annoying feminists like you talk about. Where I live if we have to deal with loud and obnoxious anything it is mostly the ultra super conservatives who are also just as wacko. Not that I have anything against conservatives but really anyone who is on the extreme side of things usually is a wacko. That goes to feminists too. I guess I just hear more about the extreme ones pretty rarely and its usually just in big cities. I did hear about a feminist comedy club that my friend went to in the city I live in and she said it was pretty ridiculous so I have no doubt that it is a thing. I just believe in the idea of the cause of women building each other up and working toward equality.
When I say women building each other up and I don`t mention men I also don`t mean that in a sexist way. I just believe that since we have gone through a lot of the same stuff that we just naturally understand each other in I guess the life path area. We do have stuff that is a struggle just like men do but because we are socially conditioned differently its just different stuff. That doesn't mean that we are unequal which some feminists fail to recognize. I think its just women who have been bruised that act like that. They need some outlet and this movement just seems like a good one because it is about gender equality and bringing a woman up to an equal level to a man. This sounds great to a woman who is hurt and beaten down but unfortunately this woman are extremely angry at the situation and lash out on all men. These women will never get anything done because these are the women who push people away from something that I believe can be a beautiful thing.
sorry if that doesn't really make much sense. It been a very long time since I have slept. Experiencing insomnia for the first time.
@meowyumyum I see, and can get what mean, cause yeah im sure it varies a lot depending on culture and location, how people behave like that. But can certainly agree with that, anything on the extreme is never good, usally with life in general with everything. Everything needs to be a balance, too much or too little of anything is usally not good. No worries, dont see that as sexist, but naturally if all femnists have that as a focus it of course again can become pretty one sided, but think regardless women in general should build each other up, cause is kinda a big problem in many ways how so many tear each other down. Sadly in a way from my experience anyway, there is just a lot competion sort of, guys compete too naturally, about being the best in a way, women tend to compete about looking the best, in a social way and several other ways, so do more talking behind peoples back, attack appearances, behaviors etc.
@meowyumyum But honestly I dont find it hard to understand anyone really, neither women or men. We are more similiar than most people think really, we both feel and go through much of the same things, sometimes in different ways perhaps, but emotionally its really not that different. Yeah I suppose, although find it kinda worrysome somewhat that many seem to get kinda brainwashed through these "gender studies", through education even, and like none of the stuff they get taught are true, or just twisted and one sided. Get convinced they are suppresed and have to fight back against the "evil men" in a way or the "patriarchy". But yeah. And no worries you make sense, sorry to hear you have insomnia though, which yeah as someone who has that for about 20 years now, lol, I really hope u get some good sleep :)
Modern day feminism serves no purpose in the western world other than to confuse the sexes and destroy the family unit.
That was what Feminism was created to do.
women actually do have more rights than men, especially when it comes to child custody and child welfare.
Women are much more likely to be granted custody, and men who dont want kids, by law still have to pay child maintenance even though birth control exists for both genders. Even if the condom breaks men still have to pay child maintenance even though he took reasonable steps to prevent pregnancy...
If you knew anything about feminism you would know that men made those laws about child custody and feminists are against that because it is inherently sexist.