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happy people don't seek independence. and women are less and less happy every year. coincidence? no.
you shouldn't want independence its not normal. we are supposed to need eachother
So are men.. what’s your point?
my point is we evolved to be dependent on one another. not compete with one another. feminism leads women to be unhappy and pursue useless things in life. successful civilizations don't have independent women
@Subarugirl Maybe it's due to your narcissism and inability to use a wrench despite being "independent". Your fucking obnoxious and celebrate every time you wipe your own ass. Welcome to the real fucking world.
Calm down, I’ve worked at a car dealership since i was 18 years old.
No one is questioning your Excel prowess.
I work on cars sweetie
Sure you do. Why should you expect a shower of praise for having a job in the first place?
I don’t
Your replies and initial question suggest otherwise. You need all that praise for being brave and powerful and scaring away those gross boys. Demanding a weekly tribute for being so strong and independent after putting in 40 hours. You made putting in a 9-5 your whole personality and find that a reason to be smug about it.
I’m not smug and it’s just a question, don’t take it so personally if it doesn’t apply to you
So many of you have ruined the Idea Independence. Rendering it down to merely living alone with a full time job That you hold religious reverence for. You have twisted Independence from calling your own shots to being a slave to Corporatism. You perpetuate Corporate power for fucking clout.
Not threatened, but I do believe the modern version of feminism is destructive to both men and families.
Probably we clearly don’t need them? We can look after ourselves instead entrust our value life to the hand of men? A big no-no!
simply put... they're inadequate themselves, and people like that feel threatened by anyone that is capable, whether is a man or a woman
Well, considering that women's happiness is on the decline, I think women are most threatened by independence.
Like it or not, men and women are made for each other. They complete each other.
I’m not threatened by independent women, they can do whatever they want and that great. My thinking is that they can choose to be with someone or choose to live without someone. It’s a choice I would want for myself as well.
They're scared because they were taught growing up that men had authority and control over women and now they're running into women who are in so many ways stronger than them and it threatens to completely ruin their entire worldview.
I'm not sure that "threatened" is the right word. It's more just that independent women aren't bringing the things I'm looking for to the table.
A lot of women think too highly of themselves today, especially online. It makes those ones impossible to date.
Those kinds of guys exist but I don’t think there are that many. Most guys don’t care that a woman has a job and earns her own money, that means that she’s not with him for his money. There’s nothing threatening about it.
I'm aroused, not threatened...
But their macho ego feels hurt when successful independent women are around, don't ask why
I'm not threatened myself but have friends who have told me my girlfriend's make them nervous they don't talk to girls like them on there own not sure why exactly
It's a combination of men who wish to control, dominate, and objectify women on the one hand and on the other hand women who would do the same to men without any level of accountability.
I would not want my daughter to be dependant on a man so i would never expect that from another woman though their is nothing wrong with traditional women. However if a women has masculine energy thats big fat NO.
Popular misconception.
So many of the so called independent women act masculine and that is off putting to a lot of guys.
Other than that, most men don't care
What do you mean by masculine
I don't think that's true... I think independent women like their independence.
Besides rednecks I don't meet any men who think women should be subservient and dependent.
Women need men to not feel alone. The tone of makeup they were is to impress us and that rounded ass with thousands of reps of squat is to impress us.
I really like women who brings peace to the table and kindness much respect to them I met 1 or 2 through my life other they have similar feminism mindset
I think being independent is a great trait for anyone to have, especially in a relationship. I hate the idea of having a wife that can’t take care of anything when I’m too busy or sick to help her.
Well I don't know about most men but I'm actually turned on by it. independent woman are confident and yes that is a win win a strong independent confident woman by my side perfect to me
hmm. it would be nice if one of those "independent" women chose to pay for MY dinner and night out for a change then. It's not that we're threatened, it's that we see the hypocrisy and the bitchy attitudes and want no part of it.
If she asked you out I’m sure she would have no issue paying.
Ever heard of toxic feminism, self entiteled women that look down on men and despise us, take advantage of us etc.
No I haven’t
This is literally the worst site outside a incels forum you could be asking that. I haven't scroll down to see the comments but I already know what they will look like.
I like an independent woman who really has that confidence.
I just hate people with a giant ego, regardless of gender.
Mainly because we want to make the decisions in a relationship.
If a woman is intelligent as well as independent, she will realize that a correspondingly functional male would be an asset to her life.
Not all are….. I’m pretty independent I don’t like depending on men or anyone in general things are going to get done with or without you.
Perhaps they feel that they want to be needed and if a women is independent she is more apt to leave him
Sounds like it about power and control
Yup. I’d say so.
I find dependency unattractive in women. I've found that when you get to be over 40 still single, a lot of scammers default to the dependency position, and it's not attractive.
Simply put insecurity and fragile ego that no one needs him. A grown woman is supposed to be independent.
She quit being 3 years old a long time ago.
Not threatened whatsoever just prefer old fashioned women with a mix of modern, I want some dependancy, it's nice to at least feel needed even if you aren't necessary NEEDED
I would think that most people would rather be chosen for who they are rather than picked out of necessity.
Yeah I'm just saying most men don't want to hear how much you don't need a man, last woman I dated was very successful and independent, didn't bother me
They are pussy 😂
I love indipendent strong women.
They will make good friend or wife.
Women still need men for companionship and to have a family together even if they don’t need them financially just like men need women for the same things so I’m sure that can all be worked out
No they don’t actually
Everyone needs companionship, at least most people do
The only tottaly independent woman are the lesbians or the virgins by choice), nothing more dependent to a men then the ones Who have sex. Even more so the submissive ones
@James388 so basically they need men for at least sex
Maybe because when men didn’t need a woman (by your definition) they didn’t have a shitty, condescending attitude towards women.
Annoyed, not intimidated.
And its funny how women are independent until its time to do some heavy lifting.
Draft?
@Subarugirl I don't care if she's independent or not. All I care about is whether she has a pleasant demeanor or not. If she doesn't have a pleasant demeanor, I'm not going to date her.
THAT they might over take our place as men, because most of us think independent women tend to be powerful and with money since tgey are self made. So that would make them hard to be controlled.
Very few women are actually independent. They are typically profoundly dependent.
I think that it would be fairer to say that some men feel threatened by strong independent women.
They’re not, but women seem to be in love with the idea so I don’t see them being convinced otherwise. It’s like most women struggle to see the world beyond their own rationalizations.
Simplest answer is they're insecure, but insecurities can be very complex.
Women are threatened by me. At work women with boyfriends be with their men looking nervous as hell when I see them looking at me
Threatened is not the word. No man is afraid of an independent woman. Also, women that keep saying that they're independent but flaunt of having many men after their tails are not independent.
Neither are men. That’s what you don’t want to admit
@Cheechee4me admit what?
There are so many people in this world that are scared of other peoples autonomy, its quite worrying thinking about how these people wanna take our right to decide for ourselves away from us.
I’m personally scared to death of independent women. They are terrifying with their own homes and their own vehicles and their own personal finances. I tend to avoid scary people like that.
I think men who are controlling would have a big problem with this.
Men don't need women and aren't threatened by you. At best we need you for sex.
Just like you need cum for a baby
Exactly, you have to respect something to be intimidated by it. Don’t worry no one is under the impresses you respect women, you’ve make it exceedingly clear you don’t.
This seems like a general question. How are they threatened, and what defines independence?
I love the two independent women that come and stay with me plus I get time off when they flying.
We aren't. Women are treathened by strong independent men. MGTOWS proved that women hate seeing independent men.
No we hate people who want to kill us and shoot our children. We hate the pettiness and teasing. We hate the weakness boys like you display. You’re not strong, you pick on women.
You seems to be a misandrist
You’d say that about anyone who goes against anything you say. Weak little man.
I'm not weak, in fact, i'm so strong that you are bothered with me.
I actually feel a sense of pity and disgust for you. Oh and a sense of amusement. Lol clown. Lol clown. Lol clown. It shows how strong women are that you’re so offended by women reading and doing simple math. Lol
Lol. Please get help before you go on a shooting spree like many of you people have. We are tired of you.
Misandrist women like you will stay single with your cats
Yeah I’m actually married. What’s your relationship status. Go buy a dog. Lol clown lol clown lol clown
Loser alert loser alert. Lol lol lol lol you have no independent thought because you parrot. I do though.
Oh btw- while I’m sure it’s easier for you to vilify the voice of reason- know this- I cook, clean and treat my husband like a king. I do not deserve your criticism and your small mindedness. I deserve the same respect as good men do. I’m a good woman.
My hubby just complimented me on my roast. He appreciates you dont. That’s why nobody appreciates you.
Actually, what your displaying is a form evolution or lack of. Weeding out the unfit.
I just happen to only feel attraction towards women who are submissive.
Like what guy would want to date a woman who doesn’t give blowjobs?
I'm not threatened by independent woman but by dumb women, bitter women and women who embrace extremism.
That said, I'm threatened by retarded white women.
Coming back to the subject of your question, I don't see such thing in real life and I assume that guys who don't like independent women are very confused, to put it mildly. I don't date girls for whom I have to provide everything.
I think independent women are awesome. They don’t take your money!
I am never threatened by an independent woman, in fact I love them...
Because they are insecure and want someone to make them feel dominant
You could use similarly flawed logic to say that you're incompetent and looking for someone who you don't have to try and take care of.
I don’t have to take care of anyone but my future child tf 😂
I'm not sure if you misunderstood or if you're deflecting. I wasn't stating that you're destined to take care of somebody. I was using an example as to how you're drawing faulty conclusions.
I’m just going off of what I hear on this site
Alright
Were not threatened. Just not attracted to them in a relationship way. Sex is still fine
Because many independent women will say they don't need men.
They still need men anyways
@leosp5000 honey we are talking about financial independence
Many women are gold diggers
@leosp5000 yeah so are lots of men. You’re so feeble minded though yoh don’t do your research. Plenty of men financially exploit men and women both. They have for centuries- even the little boys in your lineage.
Have you seen onlyfans? Many women use their body to profit.
@leosp5000 no because I have a life and am mature. Lol clown. That’s like basing reality off reality tv. Gullible and weak.
@leosp5000 Lol have you seen how many men do the same thing? 😂
@leosp5000 you have no problem when men use. They have for centuries. No now you’re just mad because it’s backfiring. Now get a life.
Women complain about being objectified but objectify themselves, hypocrites
@leosp5000 I agree men and women definitely need each other. They don’t need divisive man babies like you though. i was very sympathetic to weasels like you until I found out you don’t me to have any rights, constantly tease, root for failure and are just an overall loser.
@leosp5000 right and men are never hypocritical. But you’re so weak that not only are you bothered by me, you’re too oblivious to admit humanity is not perfect.
Men need to be stronger. This misandrist society is harming us.
@leosp5000 Very true!
@leosp5000 yep always someone else’s fault.
Guess what- if you refuse to hire me when I have the skills and talent just because I’m a woman, I’ll sue your sorry ass.
@leosp5000 hey who deleted that I’m a housewife? You assume bad no matter who the person is, just based on gender.
I don't know. I actually like being with an independent woman.
No men is unhappy about this wtf are you smoking. Just pay for your own shit.