Hmmm, *only" 62% of men prefer traditional. What a surprise! I honestly think it's closer to 80%, but I'll attribute the 18% difference to guys wanting to look good to the ladies. "Mrs. Nobody and I are enjoying the traditional model, though I probably changed the lion's share of diapers in 0-1 y. o. range and I've done more laundry than Archie Bunker and Ralph Kramden ever did.
The non-traditional career woman types can be very smart and sexy but they are unfulfilled and generally less happy in my opinion. It's in the nature of most women to be maternal and not to put it off until they're established in their own career. It's unfortunate that economic pressures mean this isn't an option for a lot of women.
I like elements of both. Day by day living, I couldn't deal with that I have long term goals and finances. I think I would struggle with that. I would need somone who would sympathise with that. Am a big believer in loyalty.
Thanks to feminism, girls now have a choice to be whatever they want to be, rather than be pressure to fit yet another stereotype. You get to choose what you want to be and how you want to live your life.
@Aiko_E_Lara anthng based on feelings and emotions is subjective. Who told you I am not basing it on facts? You just like to assume you know best, but you don't.
Then defend your opinion better instead of just name calling anyone who gets in your way. I can do that if you wanna hear it. It's fine if you don't. It'l only prove it
@Aiko_E_Lara ow you got offended? Bouhou... You didn't let me explain myself anw you just decided to dismiss my point as not based on facts before hearing me out. Females before weren't allowed to go to uni, and when they get married the husband demands them to stay at home to take care of their kids. This mentality is still popular in some regions like mine. Sayings like yea "that's a nice job for a girl". Some posts in the job department weren't and are still not accessible for females in a lot of parts of the world. Thanks to feminism we now have more options. Before we were only expected to be home makers and no it wasn't willingly lol. Or else they were brainwashed that this is how they should behave. I am against current feminazis though and fanatics. Just no to patriarchy and matriarchy. Now you disagree with what I have to say?
It's more like getting offended because I made a reply dismissing argument with "whatever" Yeah I know that tactic. In other words "Shut up because I disagree" and if that didn't work, don't expect it to work again pulling the "booohooo he's a narcissist" card.
It has something to do with biology and how we evolved. Imagine if we're living in a primitive world where there are only 50 of us. Fact: It's easy to repopulate with 1 guy out of 49 girls than vice versa. Girls can only give birth one at a time while guys can impregnate hundreds of girls at a time. That's why we are replaceable and we are made to do all the hunting and work. We all need food and starve but since men can't give birth, they are the ones who risk their lives while women are being reserved. Feeling it's unfair? Well guess what, women chose to be housewives and it has nothing to do with oppression. I'm sure some don't but they have to be treated like men AKA disposable. But society just don't allow it because they're in survival mode. But however they can work as a safe farmer, home cook and much more activity helpful they can do that doesn't exactly harm them. How about for men? I'm sure there are many men who wanted to be house husbands but they're seen as useless and crap. So men being a house husband while women being a working mom, it is an indirect threat to the survival and since it's in our nature to survive, that's when technology comes so that men can finally relax and women can finally do whatever they want. So that's not the world we are living in today and there's no need to be a feminist or an mgtow. You are basically free to work anywhere you want but still less women are working in coal mines, factories, construction sites, sewers or any heavy industrial zones but you have to be treated like men. You have to be able to carry tons for the whole days. That also explains why society still cares about women more. We have our greatest ancestor's DNAs that's why it's called hardwired and we're all human beings no matter how much we try. But yeah "biology is sexist" forgetting the grass is always greener on the other side.
Oh wanna say feminism is needed and that's what made the world equal? It's also easy to say MGTOW did it too because women also wanted their husbands to do the job. It takes 2 tango. If women wanna work, they don't really need to marry a man but they do for the benefits. But if they're gonna complain because of the lack of choice, it's no one's fault they commited for it. Those working women that time were single. i.insider.com/5c756aadeb3ce875541ce4ea
@Aiko_E_Lara eghh okay first things first. I really hate when people like to assume whatever from my posts. the "whatever" is let's agree to disagree. It may come out as a shock to you, but I don't always have the patience to debate with everyone who disagrees with me nor do I really care. So yea obviously whatever. If this did offend you at least be explicit about it from the start like I was instead of throwing negativity my way.
2nd, I never said males and females are the same. But I do believe we are equally essential. I do believe some characteristics are innate and you can't expect the same behavior and outcome from both genders. But, a diversity in input is indeed needed.
@Aiko_E_Lara Females were definitely oppressed and you fail to see it we have a problem. There are laws that didn't give in the same rights for males and females. And feminism was definitively and movement that permitted that change either you want to admit it or not.
Feminism existed at first to defend the fact that females are as valuable and capable as men (2 centuries ago). You had laws that didn't permit females to work in politics. You still have laws that don't allow females to give their nationality to their kids. You have current laws that don't allow wives to travel without the permission of her husband while the latter can. You had laws forcing females to marry their rapist to protect their reputation. You had lack of laws against sexual harassment towards females. Lack of rights during divorces when they are mainly in favor of men. Thanks to feminism, since the 1990's, 90% of the world's nations elected women to national office. we have a lot of female organisations defending the rights of the less fortunate in under developed countries.
"Lets agree to disagee" to what? You haven't even given your own points but only your notion then you just wanna jump ahead to "agree with disagree" So what am I even agreeing with disagreeing in here? Nothing. But that only prove how one can be comfortable with their own ignorance and laziness isn't an excuse when you can correct yourself first before posting anything otherwise someone would love to point it out. Pointing out something or disagreeing isn't a form being offended as long as I can explain and give facts to back it up.
So were men being oppressed. That's not a one sided situation. There are also laws that don't give men the same rights as women. Maybe you should also check your privillage.
I mean their was such a thing as a revolution where a group of people, men included fought for equal rights and opportunities. Why do you want to dismiss it? I specifically said I am against fanatics. So movements that attack men in general are absurd and vice versa
It's also about majority. Majority of women weren't also interested in politics while men do and of course there were exceptions. There are women who wants to be a part of politics, there were also men who isn't interested but forced to be in there. Something called recruitment meaning men must serve even if they don't want to just to honor the family. You know you only look at the privileged men but you also ignored that men are also the one who made it at the bottom. And those privileged men don't exactly benefit the men below. Men who made it on top worked for it. Not given the privilege just because he's a man but society tests them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jousting
"I mean their was such a thing as a revolution where a group of people, men included fought for equal rights and opportunities." <--- That's why technology was made. And it's not feminism their talking about
@Aiko_E_Lara sry? It is very clear what we were agreeing to disagree don't act stupid. It's about the relevance of feminism. You said you didn't want to give credit for that movement I absolutely do. I am definitely not ignorant about it, not wanting to argue with you was a free choice. Stop tossing around that word like you are trying to offend me because you are not. And I don't get why you are turning it into a battle of the sexes. This was a post about a girl wanting to choose a certain lifestyle. I said she can do whatever the hell she wants thanks to feminism and it's true. Feminism improved females life a lot. Now, I never mentioned a single thing about the oppression against guys. I never witnessed though, but sure if you want to share some go ahead. It's off topic but be my guest. And I exclusively said I repeat that I am against the fanatics that I see nowadays. Attacks on females or males shouldn't be acceptable. But 200 years ago, females were considered the weaker sex and males the supreme one.
@Aiko_E_Lara and for your information I still live in a region were males have the most rights. So trust me, I know what my privileges are and where they are restricted.
@Aiko_E_Lara Okay for the part where you were talking about privileged.
Obviously not every men had the equal access and opportunities. We had and still have a lot of injustice in the world such as social class and family upbringing. But we are here only discussing one parameter which is gender. I mean sure there are a lot of factors at stake, such as social class, education, religion and so on. You said some females didn't want to. You forget that education morphes your believes. A big part that sets males and females a part is education. I am strongly against that by the way because I feel you limit each person's capacities. I am against saying guys should be strong and girls pampered. But eventually that is another argument, another story. If you were thought since you were a child that your place is in the education and you don't have the capacities to do smthng else, you are going to believe it and then you wouldn't want to pursue smthng considered out of norme. Especially if you can't think outside of the box.
There is always a name for a revolution. We had the revolution of the social class against the elite class. Commoners against monarchs Commoners against the church. Guys were mainly fighting against other guys for equal opportunities reason why you can't call it masculinism at that time.
And that's why I said "It's cool. Reality goes with facts not feelings after all." It's just something when someone disagrees with facts that's all. Someone can say "The color of the sky is actually red" then you agree to disagree.
I don't give credit to the movement because I give credit to revolution and technology. I'm not even gonna ignore the fact that there are a lot of inventions made by women but if those women exist, that will only mean it wasn't impossible for women to do stuff. You say you live in a region where men have more rights than women, there are also other regions specially the west where women have more rights than men. And that term is a universal term. You can't say "Im a feminist today because my mom was beaten up" or "I was a masculinist yesterday because my dad got sued by mom for no reason" or something like that. But if it's a life style you're talking about, again that also applied to men not being able to choose what lifestyle they wanted. Really those 2 movement don't really demonstrate equality when you can be an egalitarian for both genders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs&t=52s
Your region is not equal to the world. If you say women are "Not fee" in where you live, Ok I support them as an egalitarian. Because I also support men in other places who faces the same with their wives.
Fighting other guys who are in front of it but really women can be behind those wars too. What you see isn't always what's behind it. Also because I can say women weren't fighting against men. They were also fighting against the matriarchy's belief.
@Aiko_E_Lara didn't get that: " I litterally talked about men are either powerful or die."
What I am saying is, a few years back men were more in power. And thanks to a certain revolution, call it feminism or whatever you want now they can have equal prospects. We were definitely at a disadvantage. And there are a lot of 3rd world countries where females are mainly victims. Counting Africa, Middle East, some countries in Asia like india and so on. So a huge %. And maybe females had a part in wars long ago, but the input was definitely small in comparison to men in general. Technology was indeed a tool that helped people in general reach their goals better because before jobs were mainly labor related. Now, you want to pinpoint a few laws in some states that put men at disadvantage then sure why not question them and change them. But I still don't get why you have such a despise to the nomination of feminism. Even with the presence of technology, if humans didn't take the initiative to fight for a change then none of this would have happened. We evolved... And I give credit for the effort those females did to reach their goals. To when they spoke up and got threw in prison for their opinions, To when they died after hunger strikes and so on... Revolutionaries who strive for a change for the better should be given credit. Not to be mistaken with this toxic femininity people are now complaining about.
Except it wasn't by choice. Really if you care about label feminism so much, that's actually demonstrating superiority instead of actually caring about equality itself. Your point in bringing out those 3rd world country again. They don't even represent humanity as a whole when there are also countries in UK, USA, Russia and more in Eastern Europe and so on. en.wikipedia.org/.../Gender_differences_in_suicide Even the suicide rate is world wide and men still makes majority of it even in Middle East and Africa. If you wanna act so tough and prove the world as a feminist, you know you can I mean in the rest of the world but still giving that opportunity to work as a risky worker, why do women still wanna be housewives? Because it's choice. And there's no need to be fighting over it when it's majority of women's choice.
If you're gonna say "don't mistake feminism with feminazis" Ok I won't mistake them. While feminazis are evil and useless, feminism is just useless. That's the difference.
So yeah if you read again, I talked about men were wither powerful or dead. The societal pressure I'm talking about and men being on top, men also being at the bottom. Men who became powerful are willing to do it but not because they're men. There were also powerful women bigthink.com/.../top-15-most-powerful-women-in-history because if that's the case, it wasn't impossible.
@Aiko_E_Lara " If you wanna act so tough and prove the world as a feminist, you know you can I mean in the rest of the world but still giving that opportunity to work as a risky worker, why do women still wanna be housewives? Because it's choice. And there's no need to be fighting over it when it's majority of women's choice." What you are saying here really doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you can rephrase it? I get that suicide is an issue that should be discussed but I am basically talking about inequality caused by a specific group to another. Suicide is a whole different topic. I am not against females wanting to be housewives that is even what I stated at first before you even commented. Saying that most women want to stay home is false though.
And that is when we disagree. I have given you numerous examples on how this movement actually made a difference and is still needed in a vast majority of countries. But you still consider it useless. I really don't see the point in arguing beyond that really.
Oh dear. It doesn't take a genius. nypost.com/.../www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...n-proud-housewives.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8jWBlc8xo&t=37s So again I ask why? If you say the suicide rate is another topic, you just have your own definition of feminism. Shall we talk about the denial of men's rights is a cause of it? No because that's a "Different topic" But actually I'm not the only one who considers it useless, a lot of people with facts to back it up do.
Also in fact a one sided movement that don't demonstrate equality. It wasn't even masculism that get men to be powerful was it? So that movement is not needed when you can be on top if you just strive for it.
@Aiko_E_Lara i said it's a different topic because you have a lot of parameters to consider. You can't resume it to just that, it's ridiculous. Mental health is a whole new topic with a lot of causes that can trigger it. And from what I read, it's because females have a higher diagnosis rate.
Which is backing up my claims actually and I've explained the relevancy. Sure mental health is a new topic if I just bring it up without giving how they're connected. As I've said men not having enough rights is a factor why it happens. Im not bringing that up just to not make sense. it's the very same reason why you bring your region into thing. Reality isn't an agenda. Being offended by it and starting a movement is.
@Aiko_E_Lara I feel the only one offended here is you 😂 I feel you issues with females in general. And no having lesser rights than females isn't the reason they have a higher suicide rate. Sure if you wanna mention examples let them be relevant. The video you posted about female privilege, I can get your point on some but not all of it. The rest, the sites and other videos you posted I really don't have the patience to look into.
Oh ok now with the conclusion. Your argumentum ad hominem. Actually dismissing argument calling out "You have women issues" encountered those a lot so you think that's gonna work? I have moron issues by the way not women issues. The reason you preach feminism? I could say the same thing you have men issues if I just have to argue at your level. I said it's "a factor" so why are you making things up? Instead you can read again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc&t=583shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP793671p0 So there that video is talking about men's rights.
@Aiko_E_Lara you really can't debate someone without being insulting. Again with the "moron", "same level", "can't you read". and yet you got offended when I told you you are a narcissist. I stand my point. To sum it up, yea the world is unjust some laws may be in favor of girls or guys. But to go now and say in the west there is a big clash in equal rights for men and women then it is false. There isn't. But we do have a lot of disparity between genders in the rest of the world where the system is mainly patriarchy. So no, uneven rights between male and females is most definitely not the biggest cause behind a higher rate of suicide. I would say though it can be a lack of awareness and bad education that can lead to it yea. Saying that society doesn't expect males to express their feelings and seek help can actually be a valid reproach. Not what you have stated about laws lol. Finally you think I didn't get your point, but I did. But you aren't getting mine. You say you are an egalitarian but I feel you are the so called "masculism" yourself. For at least if you want to stay true to your argument, stay object prove me wrong and don't take a side. The critic that each movement preaches the rights of one gender and that doesn't promote equality is false. Because preaching for equal rights shouldn't undermine the other. Finally, your first argument was about technology before you shift it further into a battle against the sexes. Without initiative to act on it, technology is worthless, even if it is there. I repeat again, the movement did improve females lives but I don't know why you still don't want to admit it. I don't know why you don't like to admit that we were under privileged before, because it is known as a fact that we were in history. So please enough already.
Ahh yes just doing exactly what you're doing. See? And you don't even like it. When your own logic backfires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc&t=583s And was I even saying you are the one? I'm just saying I have moron issues. So what if the system is mainly patriarchy? That happened because of hard work which we deserved which isn't even called masculinism. So if you're gonna say no even rights for male and female, that would only mean you're saying issues are 2 tango. And even about laws which is what you're talking about, men gets higher prison sentences than women for equivalent crime, women gets 1/3 of the husbands money after a divorce. The family court is bias towards women en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect women wins the child custody and so on. As for calling me a musculist, you sure you really got my point? Because you didn't. Just wanna demonstrate double standards with your feminist agenda. So if you're gonna call me a musculist, What's wrong with it then? If that's meant as an insult. If you're gonna admit there's anything wrong with that male movement, you're just doing the same to feminism. Telling anyone to just stop doesn't make you more valid here. It's the very same reason why you don't like to admit that being a powerful male isn't a walk in a park just because they're male. You don't wanna admit that majority of men that time weren't even powerful. You don't wanna admit that those average men makes it lower than women.
Honestly, i dont really care either way, as long as she prances around in her bra and panties for me and is hot and cooks great meals, im not hard to please 😘
I like a blend of the two: e. g. my first girlfriend was a strict Italian Catholic before meeting me, was the first man she ever kissed let alone made love with, but after that I opened her eyes to the alternative and we had a lot more fun 🖤
Untraditional women intrinsically celebrate and practice displacement of uncertainty as if they're design and intention reverberates into a relationship of they're dark interest rather than a relationship of themselves performing and conforming to they're accual design and intention as a female they were born as , born to be.
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I like the Girl who is Traditional, wears dresses, likes marriage, children, doesn't talk vulgar, is shy, quiet, laid back, likes to hold hands, hugs, cuddling, kissing
None of them. Inlile women who are not into conventionalisms, and at the same time have some of the conventional values (for example, knowing how to cook and taking care of her feminine looks)
I prefer a woman to be herself and feel comfortable in her own skin, whether she wants to be traditional one day and non traditional the next or just non traditional, long story short, if she’s comfortable I’m comfortable.
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Hmmm, *only" 62% of men prefer traditional. What a surprise!
I honestly think it's closer to 80%, but I'll attribute the 18% difference to guys wanting to look good to the ladies.
"Mrs. Nobody and I are enjoying the traditional model, though I probably changed the lion's share of diapers in 0-1 y. o. range and I've done more laundry than Archie Bunker and Ralph Kramden ever did.
The non-traditional career woman types can be very smart and sexy but they are unfulfilled and generally less happy in my opinion. It's in the nature of most women to be maternal and not to put it off until they're established in their own career. It's unfortunate that economic pressures mean this isn't an option for a lot of women.
I like elements of both. Day by day living, I couldn't deal with that I have long term goals and finances. I think I would struggle with that. I would need somone who would sympathise with that. Am a big believer in loyalty.
Nontraditional. I'm too old to believe that any woman is "proper". Frankly, it bores the shit out of me.
Lol..
Thanks to feminism, girls now have a choice to be whatever they want to be, rather than be pressure to fit yet another stereotype.
You get to choose what you want to be and how you want to live your life.
It's more like thanks to technology which also benefited men.
Not giving that movement credits. It was majority of women's choice to stay home after all.
@Aiko_E_Lara Strongly disagree, but whatever.
It's cool. Reality goes with facts not feelings after all.
@Aiko_E_Lara if someone disagrees with you doesn't mean he is wrong and you are right.
Narcissist.
I never said you're wrong did I? But there's still a difference between facts and opinions. No one can be wrong or right in opinion but facts.
@Aiko_E_Lara anthng based on feelings and emotions is subjective.
Who told you I am not basing it on facts?
You just like to assume you know best, but you don't.
Really you can't give me your point but instead call anyone a narcissists. Sounds familiar? Narcissists do that a lot.
Then defend your opinion better instead of just name calling anyone who gets in your way. I can do that if you wanna hear it. It's fine if you don't. It'l only prove it
@Aiko_E_Lara ow you got offended?
Bouhou...
You didn't let me explain myself anw you just decided to dismiss my point as not based on facts before hearing me out.
Females before weren't allowed to go to uni, and when they get married the husband demands them to stay at home to take care of their kids.
This mentality is still popular in some regions like mine.
Sayings like yea "that's a nice job for a girl".
Some posts in the job department weren't and are still not accessible for females in a lot of parts of the world.
Thanks to feminism we now have more options.
Before we were only expected to be home makers and no it wasn't willingly lol. Or else they were brainwashed that this is how they should behave.
I am against current feminazis though and fanatics.
Just no to patriarchy and matriarchy.
Now you disagree with what I have to say?
It's more like getting offended because I made a reply dismissing argument with "whatever" Yeah I know that tactic. In other words "Shut up because I disagree" and if that didn't work, don't expect it to work again pulling the "booohooo he's a narcissist" card.
It has something to do with biology and how we evolved. Imagine if we're living in a primitive world where there are only 50 of us. Fact: It's easy to repopulate with 1 guy out of 49 girls than vice versa. Girls can only give birth one at a time while guys can impregnate hundreds of girls at a time. That's why we are replaceable and we are made to do all the hunting and work. We all need food and starve but since men can't give birth, they are the ones who risk their lives while women are being reserved. Feeling it's unfair? Well guess what, women chose to be housewives and it has nothing to do with oppression. I'm sure some don't but they have to be treated like men AKA disposable. But society just don't allow it because they're in survival mode. But however they can work as a safe farmer, home cook and much more activity helpful they can do that doesn't exactly harm them. How about for men? I'm sure there are many men who wanted to be house husbands but they're seen as useless and crap. So men being a house husband while women being a working mom, it is an indirect threat to the survival and since it's in our nature to survive, that's when technology comes so that men can finally relax and women can finally do whatever they want. So that's not the world we are living in today and there's no need to be a feminist or an mgtow. You are basically free to work anywhere you want but still less women are working in coal mines, factories, construction sites, sewers or any heavy industrial zones but you have to be treated like men. You have to be able to carry tons for the whole days. That also explains why society still cares about women more. We have our greatest ancestor's DNAs that's why it's called hardwired and we're all human beings no matter how much we try. But yeah "biology is sexist" forgetting the grass is always greener on the other side.
Oh wanna say feminism is needed and that's what made the world equal? It's also easy to say MGTOW did it too because women also wanted their husbands to do the job. It takes 2 tango. If women wanna work, they don't really need to marry a man but they do for the benefits. But if they're gonna complain because of the lack of choice, it's no one's fault they commited for it. Those working women that time were single. i.insider.com/5c756aadeb3ce875541ce4ea
@Aiko_E_Lara eghh okay first things first.
I really hate when people like to assume whatever from my posts.
the "whatever" is let's agree to disagree.
It may come out as a shock to you, but I don't always have the patience to debate with everyone who disagrees with me nor do I really care.
So yea obviously whatever.
If this did offend you at least be explicit about it from the start like I was instead of throwing negativity my way.
2nd, I never said males and females are the same. But I do believe we are equally essential.
I do believe some characteristics are innate and you can't expect the same behavior and outcome from both genders.
But, a diversity in input is indeed needed.
@Aiko_E_Lara Females were definitely oppressed and you fail to see it we have a problem.
There are laws that didn't give in the same rights for males and females.
And feminism was definitively and movement that permitted that change either you want to admit it or not.
Feminism existed at first to defend the fact that females are as valuable and capable as men (2 centuries ago).
You had laws that didn't permit females to work in politics.
You still have laws that don't allow females to give their nationality to their kids.
You have current laws that don't allow wives to travel without the permission of her husband while the latter can.
You had laws forcing females to marry their rapist to protect their reputation.
You had lack of laws against sexual harassment towards females.
Lack of rights during divorces when they are mainly in favor of men.
Thanks to feminism, since the 1990's, 90% of the world's nations elected women to national office.
we have a lot of female organisations defending the rights of the less fortunate in under developed countries.
"Lets agree to disagee" to what? You haven't even given your own points but only your notion then you just wanna jump ahead to "agree with disagree" So what am I even agreeing with disagreeing in here? Nothing. But that only prove how one can be comfortable with their own ignorance and laziness isn't an excuse when you can correct yourself first before posting anything otherwise someone would love to point it out. Pointing out something or disagreeing isn't a form being offended as long as I can explain and give facts to back it up.
So were men being oppressed. That's not a one sided situation. There are also laws that don't give men the same rights as women. Maybe you should also check your privillage.
Like really if you don't wanna debate, you can keep your ignorance to yourself. Or your whole argument is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
I mean their was such a thing as a revolution where a group of people, men included fought for equal rights and opportunities.
Why do you want to dismiss it?
I specifically said I am against fanatics. So movements that attack men in general are absurd and vice versa
It's also about majority. Majority of women weren't also interested in politics while men do and of course there were exceptions. There are women who wants to be a part of politics, there were also men who isn't interested but forced to be in there. Something called recruitment meaning men must serve even if they don't want to just to honor the family. You know you only look at the privileged men but you also ignored that men are also the one who made it at the bottom. And those privileged men don't exactly benefit the men below. Men who made it on top worked for it. Not given the privilege just because he's a man but society tests them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jousting
"I mean their was such a thing as a revolution where a group of people, men included fought for equal rights and opportunities." <--- That's why technology was made. And it's not feminism their talking about
Because men also fought for revolution, I guess it's safe to say that was masculinism? But nope we're not pushing agendas like feminists do.
@Aiko_E_Lara sry?
It is very clear what we were agreeing to disagree don't act stupid.
It's about the relevance of feminism.
You said you didn't want to give credit for that movement I absolutely do.
I am definitely not ignorant about it, not wanting to argue with you was a free choice. Stop tossing around that word like you are trying to offend me because you are not.
And I don't get why you are turning it into a battle of the sexes.
This was a post about a girl wanting to choose a certain lifestyle.
I said she can do whatever the hell she wants thanks to feminism and it's true.
Feminism improved females life a lot.
Now, I never mentioned a single thing about the oppression against guys.
I never witnessed though, but sure if you want to share some go ahead.
It's off topic but be my guest.
And I exclusively said I repeat that I am against the fanatics that I see nowadays.
Attacks on females or males shouldn't be acceptable.
But 200 years ago, females were considered the weaker sex and males the supreme one.
@Aiko_E_Lara and for your information I still live in a region were males have the most rights.
So trust me, I know what my privileges are and where they are restricted.
@Aiko_E_Lara Okay for the part where you were talking about privileged.
Obviously not every men had the equal access and opportunities.
We had and still have a lot of injustice in the world such as social class and family upbringing.
But we are here only discussing one parameter which is gender.
I mean sure there are a lot of factors at stake, such as social class, education, religion and so on.
You said some females didn't want to.
You forget that education morphes your believes.
A big part that sets males and females a part is education.
I am strongly against that by the way because I feel you limit each person's capacities.
I am against saying guys should be strong and girls pampered.
But eventually that is another argument, another story.
If you were thought since you were a child that your place is in the education and you don't have the capacities to do smthng else, you are going to believe it and then you wouldn't want to pursue smthng considered out of norme.
Especially if you can't think outside of the box.
There is always a name for a revolution.
We had the revolution of the social class against the elite class.
Commoners against monarchs
Commoners against the church.
Guys were mainly fighting against other guys for equal opportunities reason why you can't call it masculinism at that time.
And that's why I said "It's cool. Reality goes with facts not feelings after all." It's just something when someone disagrees with facts that's all. Someone can say "The color of the sky is actually red" then you agree to disagree.
I don't give credit to the movement because I give credit to revolution and technology. I'm not even gonna ignore the fact that there are a lot of inventions made by women but if those women exist, that will only mean it wasn't impossible for women to do stuff. You say you live in a region where men have more rights than women, there are also other regions specially the west where women have more rights than men. And that term is a universal term. You can't say "Im a feminist today because my mom was beaten up" or "I was a masculinist yesterday because my dad got sued by mom for no reason" or something like that. But if it's a life style you're talking about, again that also applied to men not being able to choose what lifestyle they wanted. Really those 2 movement don't really demonstrate equality when you can be an egalitarian for both genders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs&t=52s
that your place is in the kitchen sry**
Your region is not equal to the world. If you say women are "Not fee" in where you live, Ok I support them as an egalitarian. Because I also support men in other places who faces the same with their wives.
yea but before even in the west females didn't have equal rights as men.
Fighting other guys who are in front of it but really women can be behind those wars too. What you see isn't always what's behind it. Also because I can say women weren't fighting against men. They were also fighting against the matriarchy's belief.
@Aiko_E_Lara What does being a feminist mean to you anw.
Because we seem to disagree on the basics here.
Feminism is different than feminazi.
So did men not having equal rights with women. I litterally talked about men are either powerful or die.
and I am sry but I didn't get you point in the last phrase about being egalitarian?
Feminism is an idea that women wants thesame rights as men
Masculisnim is also an idea that men wants the same rights as women
Really both one sided counter parts. They just don't demonstrate equality.
Egalitarians supports both or anyone who needs rights. That's true equality and not a gendered one.
@Aiko_E_Lara didn't get that:
" I litterally talked about men are either powerful or die."
What I am saying is, a few years back men were more in power.
And thanks to a certain revolution, call it feminism or whatever you want now they can have equal prospects.
We were definitely at a disadvantage. And there are a lot of 3rd world countries where females are mainly victims. Counting Africa, Middle East, some countries in Asia like india and so on.
So a huge %.
And maybe females had a part in wars long ago, but the input was definitely small in comparison to men in general.
Technology was indeed a tool that helped people in general reach their goals better because before jobs were mainly labor related.
Now, you want to pinpoint a few laws in some states that put men at disadvantage then sure why not question them and change them.
But I still don't get why you have such a despise to the nomination of feminism.
Even with the presence of technology, if humans didn't take the initiative to fight for a change then none of this would have happened. We evolved...
And I give credit for the effort those females did to reach their goals. To when they spoke up and got threw in prison for their opinions, To when they died after hunger strikes and so on...
Revolutionaries who strive for a change for the better should be given credit.
Not to be mistaken with this toxic femininity people are now complaining about.
Except it wasn't by choice. Really if you care about label feminism so much, that's actually demonstrating superiority instead of actually caring about equality itself. Your point in bringing out those 3rd world country again. They don't even represent humanity as a whole when there are also countries in UK, USA, Russia and more in Eastern Europe and so on. en.wikipedia.org/.../Gender_differences_in_suicide Even the suicide rate is world wide and men still makes majority of it even in Middle East and Africa. If you wanna act so tough and prove the world as a feminist, you know you can I mean in the rest of the world but still giving that opportunity to work as a risky worker, why do women still wanna be housewives? Because it's choice. And there's no need to be fighting over it when it's majority of women's choice.
If you're gonna say "don't mistake feminism with feminazis" Ok I won't mistake them. While feminazis are evil and useless, feminism is just useless. That's the difference.
So yeah if you read again, I talked about men were wither powerful or dead. The societal pressure I'm talking about and men being on top, men also being at the bottom. Men who became powerful are willing to do it but not because they're men. There were also powerful women bigthink.com/.../top-15-most-powerful-women-in-history because if that's the case, it wasn't impossible.
@Aiko_E_Lara
" If you wanna act so tough and prove the world as a feminist, you know you can I mean in the rest of the world but still giving that opportunity to work as a risky worker, why do women still wanna be housewives? Because it's choice. And there's no need to be fighting over it when it's majority of women's choice."
What you are saying here really doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe you can rephrase it?
I get that suicide is an issue that should be discussed but I am basically talking about inequality caused by a specific group to another.
Suicide is a whole different topic.
I am not against females wanting to be housewives that is even what I stated at first before you even commented.
Saying that most women want to stay home is false though.
And that is when we disagree.
I have given you numerous examples on how this movement actually made a difference and is still needed in a vast majority of countries.
But you still consider it useless.
I really don't see the point in arguing beyond that really.
Oh dear. It doesn't take a genius. nypost.com/.../ www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...n-proud-housewives.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8jWBlc8xo&t=37s So again I ask why? If you say the suicide rate is another topic, you just have your own definition of feminism. Shall we talk about the denial of men's rights is a cause of it? No because that's a "Different topic" But actually I'm not the only one who considers it useless, a lot of people with facts to back it up do.
Also in fact a one sided movement that don't demonstrate equality. It wasn't even masculism that get men to be powerful was it? So that movement is not needed when you can be on top if you just strive for it.
@Aiko_E_Lara i said it's a different topic because you have a lot of parameters to consider.
You can't resume it to just that, it's ridiculous.
Mental health is a whole new topic with a lot of causes that can trigger it.
And from what I read, it's because females have a higher diagnosis rate.
I feel like you have a certain agenda that you want to preach, and you keep twisting it to a battle men/women.
Bro, please stop.
Which is backing up my claims actually and I've explained the relevancy. Sure mental health is a new topic if I just bring it up without giving how they're connected. As I've said men not having enough rights is a factor why it happens. Im not bringing that up just to not make sense. it's the very same reason why you bring your region into thing. Reality isn't an agenda. Being offended by it and starting a movement is.
@Aiko_E_Lara I feel the only one offended here is you 😂
I feel you issues with females in general.
And no having lesser rights than females isn't the reason they have a higher suicide rate.
Sure if you wanna mention examples let them be relevant.
The video you posted about female privilege, I can get your point on some but not all of it.
The rest, the sites and other videos you posted I really don't have the patience to look into.
Oh ok now with the conclusion. Your argumentum ad hominem. Actually dismissing argument calling out "You have women issues" encountered those a lot so you think that's gonna work? I have moron issues by the way not women issues. The reason you preach feminism? I could say the same thing you have men issues if I just have to argue at your level. I said it's "a factor" so why are you making things up? Instead you can read again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc&t=583s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP793671p0 So there that video is talking about men's rights.
Sure I'm the "only one" You can check the view counts and the likes/dislikes ratio before pulling out your "only one" tactic.
@Aiko_E_Lara you really can't debate someone without being insulting.
Again with the "moron", "same level", "can't you read".
and yet you got offended when I told you you are a narcissist. I stand my point.
To sum it up, yea the world is unjust some laws may be in favor of girls or guys.
But to go now and say in the west there is a big clash in equal rights for men and women then it is false. There isn't.
But we do have a lot of disparity between genders in the rest of the world where the system is mainly patriarchy.
So no, uneven rights between male and females is most definitely not the biggest cause behind a higher rate of suicide.
I would say though it can be a lack of awareness and bad education that can lead to it yea.
Saying that society doesn't expect males to express their feelings and seek help can actually be a valid reproach.
Not what you have stated about laws lol.
Finally you think I didn't get your point, but I did.
But you aren't getting mine. You say you are an egalitarian but I feel you are the so called "masculism" yourself.
For at least if you want to stay true to your argument, stay object prove me wrong and don't take a side.
The critic that each movement preaches the rights of one gender and that doesn't promote equality is false.
Because preaching for equal rights shouldn't undermine the other.
Finally, your first argument was about technology before you shift it further into a battle against the sexes.
Without initiative to act on it, technology is worthless, even if it is there.
I repeat again, the movement did improve females lives but I don't know why you still don't want to admit it.
I don't know why you don't like to admit that we were under privileged before, because it is known as a fact that we were in history.
So please enough already.
Ahh yes just doing exactly what you're doing. See? And you don't even like it. When your own logic backfires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc&t=583s And was I even saying you are the one? I'm just saying I have moron issues. So what if the system is mainly patriarchy? That happened because of hard work which we deserved which isn't even called masculinism. So if you're gonna say no even rights for male and female, that would only mean you're saying issues are 2 tango. And even about laws which is what you're talking about, men gets higher prison sentences than women for equivalent crime, women gets 1/3 of the husbands money after a divorce. The family court is bias towards women en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect women wins the child custody and so on. As for calling me a musculist, you sure you really got my point? Because you didn't. Just wanna demonstrate double standards with your feminist agenda. So if you're gonna call me a musculist, What's wrong with it then? If that's meant as an insult. If you're gonna admit there's anything wrong with that male movement, you're just doing the same to feminism. Telling anyone to just stop doesn't make you more valid here. It's the very same reason why you don't like to admit that being a powerful male isn't a walk in a park just because they're male. You don't wanna admit that majority of men that time weren't even powerful. You don't wanna admit that those average men makes it lower than women.
Honestly, i dont really care either way, as long as she prances around in her bra and panties for me and is hot and cooks great meals, im not hard to please 😘
I like a blend of the two: e. g. my first girlfriend was a strict Italian Catholic before meeting me, was the first man she ever kissed let alone made love with, but after that I opened her eyes to the alternative and we had a lot more fun 🖤
Untraditional women intrinsically celebrate and practice displacement of uncertainty as if they're design and intention reverberates into a relationship of they're dark interest rather than a relationship of themselves performing and conforming to they're accual design and intention as a female they were born as , born to be.
I'm very traditional and I think a lot of guys are into that😊
Traditional, tempered with equal access and equal opportunity as the Constitution promised, but was not always followed.
My wife fits in both roles, she takes care of the house and kids and I make the money.
The things that make her non-conformist. Is she wear jeans, a tomboy, and likes my crossdressing
I like the Girl who is Traditional, wears dresses, likes marriage, children, doesn't talk vulgar, is shy, quiet, laid back, likes to hold hands, hugs, cuddling, kissing
I’d say a mixture of both , I like a girl that is my team partner , that values a relationship but also knows how to let loose and have fun
Would gladly have a mix of both really but if I have to choose , the non traditional would be my pick
I like traditional woman but I could never date one. I'm waaayyy too out there
None of them. Inlile women who are not into conventionalisms, and at the same time have some of the conventional values (for example, knowing how to cook and taking care of her feminine looks)
Traditional. That being said, I fully support non-traditional women. They're simply not for me, is all.
A mixture of those two. Probably 60% traditional and 40% non traditional.
Traditional but not in every single way, but typically described as traditional, yes 💃🏻💁🏼♀️
I prefer a woman to be herself and feel comfortable in her own skin, whether she wants to be traditional one day and non traditional the next or just non traditional, long story short, if she’s comfortable I’m comfortable.