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because it dosent seem like it is a fight for 50 50 equality. it seems like it is a fight for woman to take everything from men. Not only that but society in general is more sensitive. things that are not even that bad are treated like they are offensive.
Perfectly said imho -
What has happened to feminism to make it so toxic? Is it just the fact that all of its valid and achievable goals have already been attained, so all the normal and sane women have left the movement, leaving behind only the bitter and mentally unstable ones?
Probably because those being shown on mainstream media are maniacs.
I don't think feminism today is actually toxic. I think, that with other movements and ideas like BLM, Christianity/Conservatism, and LGTBQ, there are a handful of people associated with it that make the entire movement or group look bad. Media is all about portrayal, and they control what most everyone sees.
The truth is that if you think a woman's pay shouldn't be determined based on gender, women should be allowed to work, should be allowed to go to post secondary school, and have the same rights in the country as a man, then you're a feminist. If you are an egalitarian, then by default, you are also a feminist.
False. Those things are what feminism used to mean, but feminism today is very different than it used to be, and being an egalitarian does NOT mean one is a feminist.
We need to judge feminism based on what it IS, not what it used to be or what we wish it was.
It's still the definition of feminism. Welcome to being a feminist.
And being an egalitarian is being a feminist. Being a feminist does not make you an egalitarian. Feminism is a part of egalitarianism.
The definition is outdated. Feminism is as feminism does. And no, egalitarianism is about equality; feminism is NOT about equality at all.
You know if you search for the synonym list of equality, you can see egalitarianism in there but no feminism. But after all, there are many kinds of feminists who don't agree on what feminism should be but they all have one in common. They're notion that the patriarchy exist while giving circular reasoning to explain.
@Shuri
If you embrace feminism you may as well embrace nazism. The pay gap in the United States is bullshit.
Your assumption is flawed. Feminism has always been for whack jobs and been about getting something for nothing. Ever since the very beginning.
For example going to war when necessary was the price to pay for voting. Most women at the time did not want to vote because they did not want to go to war. But in swooped feminism to give women the vote without the responsibility that came with it.
Feminism was always bullshit and will always be bullshit.
@bamesjond0069
Bravo sir. Bravo.
It was always toxic and divisive. The difference is that the last two time it latched onto real civil rights movements. This time, it thought it was latching onto a new movement: social justice, but that is essentially the same toxic idea. In a weird incestuous way, feminism has gotten into bed with it's own toxic byproduct of a movement. Being every bit as toxic as each other left them little room to hide their true nature.
I think it's completely logic, but is not valid to be like that, first because how would you feel if no one hears you? Second think that not all people Inside that social movement it's conscious of what is feminism and like other kind of movements could be taken or approached by people with other intentions, it's a real fascinating theme to discuss and very extensive, but this is my personal opinion.
There's the difference between feminism and feminazism. Feminism is still pure, it's equality for both genders that doesn't hate anybody.
Feminazism or fake feminism is where they just use it as an excuse to show their misandry.
Femininazism is not a thing. That's a blame shift tactic. Even feminist figure heads have show to be anti-men like the renowned feminist Mary K Poss that came up with the 1 in 4 women are raped statistic. Aside from the static being created by asking misleading questions, she also claims that a man who is forced to have sex with a woman is not a victim of rape. That is who feminists are. They are not about equality
That's still feminazism.
there's nothing wrong with equality... everybody should be treated equally and be proud of what they are however there's always those extremist that take equality movements and make them be superiority movements which in the gender case won't successfully affect anything being that females are seen and treated inferior
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Because it's not. Men said the exact same thing 30 years ago. You're complaining about nothing, which is very feminine by the way, non-stop complaining about nothing is what women normally do.
How sexist of you.
No, you're a sexist
I have conversed with Johnny Retard before. He is a clueless moron.
by the way Johnny. If you report me I will return the favor. That you can count on.
@John_Doesnt Dude, you consistently post some of the most unintelligent things on GAG. Like everything you've posted since you joined has been a joke. It all comes off as something a prepubescent girl would write. Get some help.
@joeblow123 Yeah, he's retarded, and I mean that literally.
@joeblow123 you're that idiot who thinks abortion is murder and Jesus is real. Why should we listen to you?
@asker, you're still a queer
Feminism was respectable in the past? No dude. It was always about a bunch of evil opportunists, manupulating others but in the 90s they gained enough followers that they didn't worry about reaviling the true nature of their movenent. That's what we're seeing today
I feel like this was more of an issue back in like 2014-2015. I haven't heard of any crazy feminism specific scandals for a while now.
Victim politics. Feminists, POC feminists, LGBTQ, POC LGBTQ, Muslims etc are all looking to gain as many victim points as possible as the higher your victim points the more power you have
I mean if we look at it like this feminism has existed long before so you have to ask what has changed and well intelligence has and awareness so I guess what I'm kinda saying is "feminists are getting more intelligent in stupidity" - 2020 Daniel3035
It's all about greed. Because of their privileges, they want more and they just look for excuses to cherry pick.
@Aiko_E_Lara
Major bigtime.
Because they consume all politics that are even slightly lest wing and call it Feminism. Socalists and Communists don't necessarily like each other, but now for some reason they're all Feminists. "Oh you breath air? Must be a Feminist."
Ahhh... you opened a very dangerous box. Good luck, my dude. (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
Thank you. :)
@Opinion Owner
"Would you say that North Korean politics is what democracy has become today"?
No, but I would say that North Korean politics is what the democratic party has become today.
"No, of course not, they are just politically deluded, the same applies to feminazis".
That is the "feminists over there" rationalization. Nope. Not buying it. mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...istory-of.html
I think these days more "isms" are more divisive than not TBH.
Because women discovered that with the aid of the legal system, they can falsely accuse men of sex crimes and be believed, and they can divorce-rape men in court. It's a lot like handing a loaded weapon to a 10 year old.
@msc545
Excellent summarization. Well done sir.
An important point to remember: the extremists scream the loudest.
Most feminists fight for equality, but you hear more from the crazies because they voice their opinions louder. Not all republicans are white supremacists, not all feminists are toxic.
The movement as a whole has been corrupted, and supporting the movement is supporting that corrupt ideology.
"Not all republicans are white supremacists".
it is extremely ironic that you wrote that because most members of the KKK are democrats.
@Asker
Feminism has always been evil.
I respectfully disagree, in my opinion the media tends to show the more extremists of the group. But regardless, I hope you have a good day!
@joeblow123 It sounds like it's impossible for you to try to see someone else's point of view at this point, why not try to ease the hate in your heart? I hope good luck comes to you and softens the pain.
Or those people who fight for equality are what you so call feminists while they don't call themselves that. You know I support equality but not feminism because there's a big difference in that. Or in other words Im an egalitarian but you feminists won't like it because you focus more on the label AKA a one sided label more than equality itself. By one sided if feminism is about equality, feminism which is a gendered movement and equality has their own counter part. If they're the same for you, what would masculinism be?
@Opinion Owner
I can tell when someone lies to me and hates me because of my gender I'm not going to be friendly toward them. In fact I am going to oppose them.
@joeblow123 If someone hates you for your gender than they are an asshat. I still hope you have some good luck in the coming days and wish you the best!
I wouldn't exactly say feminism is evil but they're just useless. Yes indeed there's a difference between feminism and feminazism. Feminism is useless and an indirect threat while feminazism is evil. Also because there is a difference between feminism and equality/egalitarianism.
@Aiko_E_Lara You do make some good points, I just don't care too much about labels. Maybe what I am is more like the egalitarianism you speak of. I just know a lot of people in my life who label themselves as feminists who want equality for men and women though. I'll be honest and say I don't know much about the official definitions for either
Well that "a lot of people" in your life you know is not the average. Even the act of calling themselves feminists is already demonstrating inequality because that's a one sided label. When they wanna support equality, there's really no need for them to call themselves a feminist other wise they're only trying to prove something. They just wanna demonstrate equality for the sake of the label not for the purpose of equality itself also it's easy to lie to other but not to yourself.
If you really want the official definition of it, just look at what all kinds of feminists have in common. Which is the notion where there exist a patriarchy which disadvantages women. In other words, empowerment.
But really Im glad you got my point. If I talk about this in gender studies class, id get kicked out for sure. While they continue talking about women's issues, barely talking about men's issues that they really need feminism because it's "equality" just because it's in the dictionary. Forgetting the fact that it's only in the dictionary definition but not in the synonyms list. But what that really show after all is double standards.
@Opinion Owner
They are asshats with power and influence which makes them very dangerous.
@joeblow123 Very true. When prominent feminists publicly suggest coronavirus is not killing men fast enough, and yet the government STILL pledges their financial support for their "work", the world has become a very fucked up place, and feminism is at the heart of it.
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I think it’s to counter balance the resistance they get. They have to shoot for the moon to get an anthill.
Allow me to rephrase a bit: they feel like they have to shoot for the moon to achieve the little progress they might be “allowed.” However I believe that persistence, teamwork, and consistency in the face of absurdity would be better.