Is Feminism just a tool used by the elite to divide the genders?

[YAsQuen]

Here is my part of my opinion summarized:

Feminism is a ideology that seeks to undermine the human condition. I personally believe Feminim is not only Misandrist but even more so Msogynist in nature.

Here are a few open ended question and statements for any feminists reading this:

Can u provide evidence fo the claim that women are opressed in western societies?

_ Bad things that happen to someone because of their gender dont constitute proof of opression. _

Do you deny the biological differences in men and women?

_ physically AND mentally. _

Why are women getting more and more depressed every year?

_ Why did that trend begin in the late 60s?_

Why are gender differences growing in Scandinavia?

_Are they just uber sexist over there?_

Feminism is a tool used to control the populace!

Feminism has good reasons to exist!

Other

[DaisyM23]

the feminist movement initially began in the west at least for suffrage and then moved onto sexual/reproductive rights and employment - i'm a feminist but i think for the most part women in the west aren't really oppressed, woc are more oppressed because of their race, but equally if not more important is the factor of class, you can't say a rich woman is just as oppressed as a poor woman, or a rich black woman just as oppressed as a poor black woman, because their problems and circumstances aren't equal - obviously things like beauty and society standards, family expectations, women more likely being family carers etc are also aspects of a kind of oppression but minus the debates on women's reproductive rights happening now, i don't think there's many barriers for a typical woman solely because of their gender when race and class are more important and oppressive - i'm a feminist because i believe that men and women should have equal rights and be treated equally simple as that but i think i'd take a more intersectional approach - yes there are biological differences between men and women i'm not denying that, don't know much about the mental differenes but i believe out of my own experience, women can put up and endure hardships better than men without complaining so whilst men are generally physically stronger, women are generally mentally stronger - rising depression is probably to do with rising external stress, economy is shit, we all have school or work or jobs, family, social media, a whole wide range of problems and the world has changed a lot since the 60s with globalisation and technology plays a big role in that - don't know about the gender differences in Scandinavia so can't comment

[YAsQuen]

would u mind going into detail as to how men have it systemically worse than men? U said it ain't that bad but u still said its the case

sounds commie. U most definetly went to uni. Would u mind sharing where?

If u believe in evolutional theory and the fact that women are smaller and weaker than men mental differences are a given. I would say that men handle bad situations better. CLEARLY. There is a reason we send men to fight in wars. Men have evolved for this purpose. *Its almost as if he doenst care about me anymore* says the feminist to the biased marriage therapist. Maybe he evolved a more detached processing unit as to enable him to kill and still come back a somewhat sane individual.

[YAsQuen]

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Are there any rights that women are lacking? Its obviously men that lack rights...

Its rising unhappy rates (its actually life satisfaction not depression sorry). And I mention this because they fell for both genders but WAY more for women. Like significantly more. Women are clearly worse off nowadays when compared to back then. Everyone is. But again women more so than men. Why is that?

Economy is shit cuz of women entering the workforce. Single biggest reason one income can't support the average household anymore. There is more to this but still. Monopolies. Corrupt politicians. Regulation. Paying people to not work. Immigrants driving down wages. But also globalisation driving down wages.

There is something called the gender equality paradox. So the theory goes as follows. Scandinavia is the first area to really focus on women in politics and feminism. So they have like 5 trillion laws as to enable all the women to pursue any career they want. But now the problem. Scientist have reported greater gender differences after all this got implemented. One possible explanation is that since women and men internally long for the gender roles any fiddling in these will result in the individuals to become more masculine or feminine (depending on the gender) as to off put societal pressures.

[Anonymous]

Women are no more oppressed than men today in western societies. In fact it's fair to say that men are the ones who could use more empathy and attention to the challenges they face.

I have always fully supported the original goals of feminism, which were to give women equal rights and opportunities. We have that now to the extent it is possible. But I dn't call myself a feminist because modern feminism has gone over the top and deviated so far from its original goals that it is no longer a respectable movement. It does feel like their primary goal is to divide men and women and they have been very uccessful at that.

[Lliam]

The words "féminisme" ("feminism") and "féministe" ("feminist") first appeared in France and the Netherlands in 1872, Great Britain in the 1890s, and the United States in 1910. It was a movement to gain equal rights for women. It's as legitimate as civil rights efforts for people of African ancestry.

When I was in high school, it was called "women's lib".

I am very much in favor of women's equal representation under the law through voting, the right to sign contracts and own property, equal education, the right to employment, equal pay for equal work, access to contraception, etc.

But, like everything else, some activists went off the rails. That doesn't mean that women's rights is bad. And it doesn't mean that all women who enjoy equal rights subscribe to radical feminism, or hate or resent men. Normal, heterosexual women love men, they just aren't dependent on them for survival. They simply have more opportunities than they did in the past. It's only fair that they are allowed to make their own life choices and rise to the limits of their abilities, just like men.

I don't believe in favoritism based on gender.

[YAsQuen]

In my response i won't always copy ur points before adressing them. Ull have to circle back and evaluate which part of your comment im talking about.

A nice sounding definition of a word doesn't equate to anything. Whats north koreas official name again? Superficial im on the right side of history claim.

Just because there was a womens right movement in the past that did good things doesn't mean the current one is doing good for society. Superficial im on the right side of history claim.

*I am very much in favor of women's equal representation under the law through voting, the right to sign contracts and own property, equal education, the right to employment, equal pay for equal work, access to contraception, etc.*

No problem here obviously. Just goes to show that the side that usually accuses its opponent to only argue againt strawmen does just that.

Im putting the claim forth that the feminist ideology taught in universities is toxic to society. I have been to university. I have many friends that go to university. And i can tell ou right her that the version of feminim taught in unis and schools (probably) is 100 percent aligned with the media feminism portrayed on the tv/social media and by big companies.

Feminism is based on the argument that we live in a Patriarchy. How is that not gonna create a resentfull population? Im held back in favour of others? Thats what im being told from 6- 22. Yep, not gonna resent those other people at all.

Men are actively held back in society but thats a whole other discussion to be had.

*I don't believe in favoritism based on gender.*

I obviously agree with this statement but i dont believe u are familiar with feminist ideology in the slightest.

I provided questions and statements for a reason. Feel free to read through these. But the one im personally most attached to is the fact that women get more and more depressed year by year. Why is that the case? And why does this overlap with the rise of 3rd wave feminism?

[Anonymous]

Yes sir, feminism is cancer.

[YAsQuen]

not just feminism. But thats mainly how they get all the women to go down that anti human ideology on the left.

[NaultD]

misogyny is the world's oldest prejudice and all prejudices root from misogyny. So not the root of all evil but damn near.

so with that in mind. Who are the closest to true freedom and liberty? A good look is how women are treated like real people.

Let's start with old habits die hard. So im American and women suffrage rights was 1920. With the USA constitution giving people unalienable rights as people took 144 years to recognize half the population being women as people. That's pretty fucked up.

So let's turn this question 180°. Is your hesitation of feminism just a tool used by the elite to divide the genders?

[YAsQuen]

do you belive that women were not considered people before the vote? did u know that the average man got the vote like 10 years ealier.

[Anonymous]

I would say any "ism" is a tool used by the liberal media to divide people. That is certainly true of modern feminism, which has been very divisive and has driven a wedge between the sexes and created an ever widening divide between men and women.

Men and women should be allies to each other, but that will never happen as long as feminism continues to divide us.

[Snakeyes7]

Without a doubt. If you look at feminist rhetoric it looks shockingly similar to war propaganda against the opposing force. Feminism is nothing more than a cultural force that is sent to eradicate it's own culture.