Is there a point that standing up against a bully stops being self-defense?

[Anonymous]

For instance in the case of the girl that smashed the female bully's head against the pavement more than once and left her with brain damages, thats not self-defense anymore.

Or let's say a bullied victim has enough and punches his bully. The other guy started bleeding but the victims continues delivering blows and won't stop even when he's on the ground, badly injured. At that point isn't it aggravated assault?

[abc3643]

Your question reminds me of these fight scenes from "Ender's Game" in which Ender Wiggin has been bullied but he exhibits incredible intelligence and violence to both protect himself and prevent future violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8Cn2qyM04https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw_c7kYNjBQ

Every situation is different, but, in circumstances like this, humans - like all animals - can "red zone" meaning they just do not stop until the opponent is certainly defeated and unable to fight back. Often, this means dead and there's a legitimate evolutionary reason for this: Undead enemies may seek revenge. In "The Godfather: Part II", we see that this is justified...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpYRCqqsMlIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdXiOssbM0

OK, so, where the law is concerned...
Generally, you fight defend yourself until your opponent can no longer attack. Beyond that, that's "wrong" and potentially unlawful. However, the state of mind is always important and can be a mitigating factor. This is one reason why we have judges and juries and do not have machines enforcing and adjudicating the laws. For instance, if you are fighting back and believe that you are not just protecting yourself but can justifiably show you are protecting your family or others as you continued to attack your opponent (and perhaps kill them), that is likely a mitigating factor that would either lead to a lesser sentence or an outright acquittal by a jury because members of the jury can see themselves in the same situation.

[Anonymous]

Morally, nope, beat them until their ego is so crushed that they'll never pick on someone ever again.

Legally, once they're incapacitated, stop.

There's no sight more beautiful than seeing the look on a prick's face when he spits his teeth out on the ground. I laugh every time I think of the @sshole that my ex betrayed and replaced me for.

He starts bragging about how she's so afraid of him that she doesn't even try to resist anymore when he forces himself on her, seeing him spit all of his front teeth out on the ground, I almost die of laugher every time I think about it😂😂

He feels so strong when forcing himself on girls, but he sure felt really pathetic there, he didn't bother trying anything, he knew another punch would put him in a wheelchair for life. So seeing him bleed everywhere and spit his teeth out, that'll have to do, and it was hilarous

[purplepoppy]

Unless you're in the process of being physically attacked it's not self defence. Otherwise your response has to be propionate to the danger your in and must cease once your out of danger. Revenge is not self defence.

[Asker]

Exactly. I've noticed certain people confused self-defense for retaliation. The victim wouldn't be a victim anymore. The girl that smashed the former female bully's head on the pavement 3 times (she wasn't defending herself by then), leaving her with permanent drain damage isn't self-defense anymore.

[Anonymous]

Legally speaking self defense is using equal force…. You can’t stab someone for poking you for example.

[Asker]

Yes once it's overdone then it becomes aggravated assault. For instance if the person only slaps you and your face got a bit red but then you go ahead and punched him, busting her lips and kicking them when they're down, then say ''hey equal rights'', that's not self-defense anymore.

[normalice]

No. It is case-by-case. An interpretation of intention and history has to be considered for when an individual can be found beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers to have knowingly crossed that line.

[jahaims]

Nah, if you start something the other person has the right to finish. Don't fuck around if you don't want to find out.

[Asker]

But if you leave them with permanent brain damage or kill them (when it wasn't needed by then), you stopped being a victim by then. Don't tell me getting slapped by someone (and you don't even feel endangered, just pissed off, but not serious threatened) deserves a full punch and kick in the stomach.