If you fight back against your bully does that no longer make you a victim?

[Anonymous]

Person A was bullied for 5 years by B + C - eventually, he attacks back, and defends himself with a knife. But many say that A was not the victim as he fought back - attacked B + C - saying that victims don't fight back. Saying you will never see a victim attack their bully.

I disagree and think they're speaking out of their arse. I say that they will fight back - eventually. 👇

Many domestic abused women got to the point where they snapped and attacked their spouse - does that mean they're no longer the victim? As I said, I think they're talking bollocks.

yes - you are still the victim.

No - you fought back, so you are not the victim.

[PetiteBabe64]

If someone rapes you if you fight back and are still over powered you are still the Victim. If You Stab The rapist and he dies that is Murder. Either way Killing the abuser is still Murder. If you Are in a fight and you could Try to walk away or run away that might be your first instinct also known as impulse. If your impulse is to break his neck that’s instinct also known as Impulse. We as people don’t have to act on our impulses. Personally I like Fighting and would like to become a Hero but I don’t Act on that Impulse. Some impulses it’s better to act on them. Other impulses acting on them will only get you Hurt. But I don’t care if it’s Murder if someone attempts to rape you stab that person in the jugular and watch that person bleed out knowing Justice was served. Sometimes the law Doesn’t put bad guys away and rape is a thing that a lot of the time Rapist get away and a lot has to do with The victims not Getting a rape Kit and Not wanting to say anything due to Fear of being Judged fear of not being believed etc. but all in all the justice system Is a failed system the justice system looks At what happened was it intentionally and Justice system is filled with Corruption And Criminals get a lesser sentence if they have a Good lawyer. There’s a lot of things that could go wrong just by killing a rapist sure you could Not face any Consequences if he was was attempting to rape you and you killed him but then again Whether or not The justice system will decide You don’t need to be punished or not is Up to Them. They could turn it around and Make you the bad guy. Many people have been sent to prison for a crime they didn’t commit. Some get A life sentence while others get 15 years for a crime depending on the nature of the crime. If the criminals enjoyed killing then his sentence will be increased if he Shows remorse and Starts balling his eyes out In court telling the victims that he’s sorry and Has a panic attack 😭😭😭😭😭the justice system may lessen his sentence. But if the criminal walks in there and laughs 😂😂😂😂 and says he’s proud of himself and the crimes he committed the justice system will get emotional and Will make his sentence a harder sentence. Justice system isn’t Supposed to be influenced by emotions but the reality of it is If you kill someone and You have a panic attack ball your eyes out 😭😭😭 and really give the court a show whether it’s real Show or not it Most likely will influence the court which is why when Criminals play Victim and Put on a good show they can lessen the consequences. You can shoot a Burglar In your home and the burglar can Hurt you in the court of law sad reality that defending yourself can Get you arrested and charged But In this world messing someone up can get you Punished and in handcuffs no matter if your heart was in the right place or not.

[PetiteBabe64]

You could Fight back When a Bully Is picking on you and Beating that bully up could get you Evicted and maybe that Bully deserved a good beat down but your landlord won’t see it that way and more than likely You will be evicted for Teaching a Bully some Manners
Sad reality but it happens.

[PetiteBabe64]

There’s a chance you won’t be evicted but If Your on your own and You don’t have good Parents and you do get in that fight and you are evicted then your screwed.

[PetiteBabe64]

So it’s best to not Even get into fights or go around murdering people.

[ZenJen444]

It's justified

[bzcxx]

No. It’s justified. I’ll provide my answer in a religious context and on a GRANDER scale. “Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's [St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II, 64, 7, corp. art.].”

[Charlesbrandonf]

Can you please help with what works helps in reality in this generation.

[boggboss]

Hope u have a solid reason stabbing people never goes down well even if its in defence because the line between self defence and aggressor is thin most dont understand the difference when it comes to the law

[Asker]

I haven't stabbed anyone. this is not about me or anyone I know. It is an example of something.

[boggboss]

Its was a example in the extreme tho so it makes it hard ti decide if a man is laying onto of u and u Stab him that fine but as soon as he is no longer on you if u was to stab u would be classed as a aggressor

[Asker]

I haven't stabbed anyone 🙄 A B and C are all fictional.

[boggboss]

But I can only give a example ti the situation given as everyone will be differnt I'm not saying U stabbed someone lol

[Asker]

then let me give the a picture... 5 years of bullying - then they turned it up a notch, they changed the rules, they pinned A down, SA A, choked A... A snapped and stabbed B (but not enough for B to fall, or bleed hard, just splatters of blood on his shirt - B still had the energy to turn on A again).

If not talking about me, don't use you.

[boggboss]

Then its still self defence but if said person has been stabbed what next it becomes he said she said with police wanting to know where the knife came from and why they used it instead of contacting the police

[Aerissa_Jade]

Legally someone can be the victim and a attacker at the same time. The law often states, justified force. One can conceal carry and use a gun, merely to stop an attack, with that intention only and only as much as is necessary.

Emptying the gun, is excessive and often crossed the line, unless your a terrible shot and it takes that much to stop them.

Simply fighting back doesn't make someone not be a victim. It may however be used to lesson their sentence if they later get charged for too much force when fighting back.

The main thing is one could fight back and still lose, and fighting back might make the bully hurt them even worse... so they would still be a victim.

The system in the US is often very broken though, for example the case of Pieper Lewis

Sex Traffic someone, pressure them with life in prison, to get them to accept a plea deal.

We can just hope if things go to jury trials that jury members will look at victims as they truly are when defending themselves.

[FunkyMonkee]

From what I've found, it could make the bully your new friend! What are his options: get a bunch of guys to gang up and beat you up because you beat him up? That makes him look weak because he couldn't take you on one to one! And, if he DOES go mano a mano, you'll probably beat the snot out of him, again! But, if he becomes your friend, chances are, you won't beat him up anymore and he can save face by not threatening you anymore. AND there's the extra added protection of you probably being able to beat the snot out of HIS enemies, if he's attacked!

[Haha456]

sweetie, the only reason why people would label the victim who fought back as the "bad person" is because there are adults out there who have bullied others when they were kids. Now they are grown and they immediately feel sympathy for the bullies. Because nobody in their right sane mind would blame someone for fighting back against evil bullies. The suffering and emotional damage is tremendous and traumatic with bullying. Its not a light matter

[Exterminatore]

Fully agree.

[Anonymous]

I'd say the only way the victim is no longer a victim is if they fight back and then go further than what happened to them.

So if person A. bullies person B by pushing them B is the victim until they decide to break both person A's arms. Then they are both victims B just had a cause

[D_Bone_Steak]

Still, the victim because you're not choosing to have to defend yourself... you're being pushed into it.

[normalice]

Fighting changes the future not the past. You can never recover the time that was stolen but it was stolen all the same.

[LordOfThePines]

You are still a victim. If someone is raping you, and you resist, you are still a victim. If someone tries to rob you and you resist, you are still a victim.

Fighting back does nothing to change your status as a victim.

[dustybiker]

Whoever throws the first move of attack is the attacker.

[BlueScorpio]

That's called self defense and it's perfectly fine.

[MCheetah]

You're still a victim, but there is no shame in being a victim.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

What do you think I took karate for? Right, for self- and partner-defence. If it’s for defending yourself, you ain’t a victim. If this time it’s just for vengeance, you really are the victim.

[Exterminatore]

They’re talking out of their asses and kicking a bullies ass is exactly what should happen. They only understand strength.

[Anonymous]

You are not allowed to stab people.

These are explanations not excuses.

[Asker]

What if at the time B + C were sexually assaulting A? literally torturing him.

[Asker]

which i failed to mention in my post I know

[Asker]

but i can't edit it.

[Opinion Owner]

You are allowed to use minimum force to defend yourself in the moment, you are not allowed to seek vengence.

[Opinion Owner]

There is a legal system in place, that is what you are supposed to be using.

[Anonymous]

I mean like there is nothing wrong with utilizing self defense. It's a basic human right you're exercising.

Nothing wrong with getting out of the victim position.

[Opinion Owner]

If turns you into the defender AKA what Ukraine is now when Russia invaded it. Same thing.

[tfan1]

Antagonize anything or anybody long enough and well …watch out

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You still are. you're just defending yourself. And none of it would have happened if that bully never started picking on you

[Dinosaursandanime65]

That makes you Rigor. And these kids of people aren’t ONLY GUYs, just felt like we needed to make that clear…

[nawtee_me]

If attacked, fighting back does not mean you are not the victim. It means you are tired of being bullied.

[BJP21]

Lets just say he won't bother me anymore after throwing him against the wall.

[PainusNdeeAnus]

So why is it a double standard for domestic abuse