
What do you think could be done to help lower the rate of divorce in America?

Loyality is rare. I'm rare because I'm hardcore loyal. But around me I saw many guys triple dating like my 2 ex, my own male cousins and more. It's bad especially in era where dating apps are prevalent. People forgot what it's like to have feelings and love someone and is busy looking directly for intimacy. We are the ones that create intimacy. It's hard to trust anyone now because people say something else, think something else and do something else. It's scary. So if you're guy I think girls cheat less and guys cheat a lot. I think you should be a giver and the girl in return if she loves you back will give you too. Making money when you're young and after 25 find love. Because, I feel people are not very mature and experiment and shit when they're young so find someone who is mindful, knows themselves and loves themselves enough and who has set certain standards for herself, so that she can love you consistently and most importantly love someone only if you love yourself and is content with yourself. Because happiness and love is interrelated. You can't find love or happiness in someone else if you can't find it in yourself first. Okay?
Hmm.. I don’t really see divorce as something entirely negative. A lot of people that divorced, definitely needed it.
I think if people weren’t in such a rush to get married in the first place wanting to marry the first serious relationship due to others opinions and criticisms, it’d be good. A lot of people I know got married so young because it’s what they thought they were supposed to do. They’ve been decreasing and might continue to do so. It’s a minority, but a lot of dumbass kids have stopped marrying for benefits. I’ve only had to lecture like 3/4.
There should be a mandatory law that divorce does not entitle you to half of someone's assets that they've earned throughout their lives. Marriage for many women is seen as an investment. Just because you marry a wealthy guy doesn't mean you deserve to be living that way if you divorce him. If you choose to divorce with kids, then the man should help provide for his kids and provide them with what they need, so costs should given to cover those costs. Any more than that is something the woman does not deserve.
I believe that if we get rid of social media and dating apps as well, where women get a shit ton of attention and inflated egos, that will reduce the likelihood of them cheating on their husbands. I'm not saying that only women cheat, but getting rid of social media and dating apps would definitely decrease the amount of cheating... both ends.
I also believe that if people learn to communicate their issues rather than keep it bottled in, relationships would work much better.
Legalize real marriage again.
Most Americans today are sold the idea that Marriage is some kind of union for the pleasure of the adult parties rather than the security of the children it was created to be.
This is why no-fault divorce and even gay "marriage" has been implemented in the first place. But in reality none of the people who believe this were ever really married in the first place. They were just seeking the honor and trappings of the union for a mere friendship.
It is for this reason their "union" was never anything but the mere friendship it was treated as and offered none of the key and defining security of the institution. Leaving the children of said unions ever more abandoned if they even had the chance to grow up at all.
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Since the US is slowly (well, maybe not so slowly?) turning into a socialist state, how about the government pays each married couple $1000 for every year they've been married. So, a couple married 10 years gets $10K, free and clear, no taxes. If they stay married another year, they get $11K, and so on. That would certainly encourage people to get, and stay, married.
I don’t think it would. I still think women would leave thanks to no fault divorce and take that money for herself than marry another man and wait until they receive that government money then divorce him again and eventually these women will become zillionaires
@ManInChains To pay for this marriage payment, divorce gets simpler. All divorces become no-fault (either partner can initiate a divorce) and managed by the federal government. Of the total assets of the divorcing couple, 50% goes to the government, and the other half gets divided equally between the husband and wife.
@AviatorTom. We ar not just turning Socialist, we are becoming a socialist gynocracy. The government will never pay men to be married, ever.
@KrakenAttackin is correct. The government will never pay men to get/be married. All of that money would be going to the women.
That's easy to do by removing all incentives for divorce and making it impossible to divorce unless both spouses agree to it. But you also need to change the culture to where people are much more careful about who they marry in the first place. Our ancestors had this stuff figured out. People weren't dating 5, 10, 20, 100 people before they got married. People were actually working on making themselves good wife & good husband material long before they even got married. The whole society was geared up to value characteristics that made people trustworthy.
At this point in time tho, changing things in the entire culture would be like trying to move a mountain down a highway. Too many people are dead set on doing things that are destructive, counter productive & silly. Then they blame their own mistakes on others.
so if one spouse wants a divorce, the other should be able to veto it?
If you want to divorce your wife, she should be able to force you to stay married to her?
your ancestors were in arranged marriages and divorce was harder to get especially for women.
@OtterMan68 Yes. If people actually knew that divorce was 99% impossible they would be more careful who they married. When divorce is easy or even financially rewarding people have less incentive to be careful. Of course the do gooders who have helped change society a lot think that if a small percentage of people are unhappy we should do everything to change all of the old rules and run a social experiment. I don't see any evidence that life is better now than it was before.
I think forcing someone to remain in an unhappy marriage will only lead to violence, infidelity, or self-harm.
@OtterMan68 Western society is collapsing before our eyes because do gooders decided a few unhappy people justified changing the rules for everyone. Oh well. Hope you enjoy the ride to collapse. We'll see how the Romans felt when the Roman Empire fell.
and forcing people to stay in bad marriages will help fix that. Gotcha
@OtterMan68 Society is only stable because of rules. Each rule is like a brick in a wall. Remove too many and it will fall. You'll see... and sooner than you think.
Both marriage and divorce need to be more difficult to accomplish - divorce significantly more so. No Fault Divorce needs to be eliminated. And there should be a 5 year ineligibility period after a divorce before you can begin the marriage process. 6 months of pre-marriage counseling should be required before you are eligible to marry.
All of this is needed so that people take marriage seriously again, because the current rules have encouraged most people to see marriage as a temporary situation that can easily be disposed of.
Amending divorce law to make getting a divorce without cause illegal.
It's that way in many countries and they have healthy nuclear families.
When you know marriage is a commitment and not just a piece of paper you'll know not to walk into a bad one too easily.
Plus it would fix the current incentives to get a divorce considering in many cases a divorce is more advantageous for certain spouses (mainly wives) than staying married.
Ultimately, marriage law in it's current state has failed. And broken homes have created a broken society.
So a change is in order.
I don't agree with the whole 'make it harder to divorce' argument... It's the same logic as 'if I don't test, then I'm not sick'
The disfunction is still there whether it is formalised or not.
I'd advocate for a) couples therapy being funded to help people work through the problems as they become apparent - not when they have destroyed a relationship, and b) to encourage people to wait for marriage until they are better prepared, and to wanting to commit for religious or 'but I love them' reasons.
Most seasoned married couples know that love is not enough, a marriage is work, but not in the negative sense - it's something that you can put love and care into, something to invest your energy in, because investment like that (when done by both parties) give back more than they take.
Tl;dr; learn to invest in your marriage, and seek help when your own abilities aren't enough
Easy:
We need to change our dating culture. American dating culture is so strange. You're basically expected to get into a relationship within 2 weeks of meeting someone, rather than having a relationship develop out of a friendship, where you already know everything about each other. I've known so many Americans who married too quickly out of desperation or peer pressure, and they were so cocky about it, then ended up getting divorced within a couple years, as I knew they would. I don't know how you can marry someone you barely know. But Americans aren't that stupid in terms of street smarts. They know this, and will put on an act to seduce their partner. But once they've secured them, they let their guard down and their true colors start to show, and there come the divorce papers.
The high divorce rates are mostly because of the boomer generation. The younger generations are already making the divorce rate go down
1. Stop making foolish choices in who you marry — be more discerning.
2. Require the preliminary sit down with the minister/counselor/etc. for those preparing to be married.
3. Have a lesson — just like all the newfangled sex ed and blah blah classes they have now, but one about the purpose and meaning of marriage so folks know not to jump on lightly.
Do away with no fault divorce. Marriage used to mean that you're bound together for life, for better or for worse, sicker or poorer, in sickness and in health. It's right there in the vows. It was permanent. It didn't mean you were bound together until you got bored, or until you got mad at each other. With no fault divorce, the significance of marriage goes right out the window.
In America, most divorces, like 80% I think, are initiated by women, so your question is mostly about how to get women to change their behavior.
Outlawing alimony, so women were no longer getting paid to leave their husbands, would probably lower America's divorce rate quite a bit.
it's more like 66%
Here's an article on it
www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-women-are-so-much-more-likely-seek-divorce
The Govt needs to change the law or rights of woman and men making it harder for them to divorce and instead work things out it’s became popular to divorce and live a life with someone else’s family govt is approving and supporting divorces if they would consequence s they would rather work it out
nothing. people are free to let go if they want to
as for the reasons for divorce. make them take a finance class. teach them about money and saving. (i know it should be common sense, but it's one of the main reasons for divorce). teach them to split everything 50/50. all effort should be equal, no matter what.
don't make them combine their whole lives just because they're married. stop making them feel bad in society if they're not perfectly happy in their marriage.
I still believe in the old tradition where only men were allowed to study, work. Women used to stay at home to cook, clean and raise kids. Woman should be dependent on his husband. This is the best option to reduce divorce rates and regain the lost value of the family. I am sure we will witness more happier and prosperous families.
there's a reason why its an old tradition, that dynamic works for some people when they both choice and agree to that type of dynamic but when its forced its unhealthy and dangerous. My great grandpa cheated on my grandma and had a whole secret family and she couldn't leave him because she depended on him financially and my grandmas husband was abusive, she was lucky enough to leave him but she had to literally leave the country because at the time there were no protections for women being abused when they were legally property !
@caitycat21 I understand, women suffered a lot in the past. I am not supporting any bitter relationships. But I think that old traditions can still work.
I don't know why divorces happen in America. No one has to spend their entire life married to one person. There are people who are suitable for marriage, and there are people who are not suitable. Not everyone should get married.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this one out & if you want to lower the divorce rate all you have to do is lower the marriage rate. Problem Solved.
not allowing teenagers to marry straight away.
Therapy and having to live together first. Access to birth control.
Not get married in the first place. Getting married these days is a mugs game if you are a guy. This is with women initiating 75% of divorces and coming off financially better from it. A lot of women see marriage as a investment
Well I just read that divorce rates in Canada are down... its believed that cost may be the primary reason. So maybe money talks?
communication skills should be taught at school, together with assertiveness, negotiating and compromising...
Raise wages, lower the definition of full time to 32 hours per week, and break up regional monopolies to reduce prices.
That's one of those correlation is not causation things. The covid lock downs and the divorce rate spike shared a cause but I don't think they caused each other. The stress and uncertainty that came with the lock downs, the mass layoffs, the stock market crash, the squeezing of basic supplies, the political turmoil bringing us to the brink of civil war... it's a lot easier for people to get along with each other when they are comfortable and none of that was comfortable for people.
What I'm suggesting is adding or improving some basic elements of comfort. Yes, it can be twisted to worse ends but it doesn't have to be.
A 60 day waiting period between the application for a marriage license and the issuing of a licence.
Don't want to mandate this, but every couple should undergo at least one session of couple's counseling prior to marriage.
Put an end to modern feminism, onlyfans girls, hookup culture. And teach base morals we should have as humans.
Hmmm... how about divorce branding iron. You're right, too subtle.
Mostly the wives call for the divorce so become gay
The abolishment of marriage. Watch 0 divorces happening.
But of course, it's a whole industry operating in a vacuum and generating a high revenue. High enough to drive a Ferrari probably.
Society only works because people follow rules. As more and more rules are removed society becomes weaker and eventually collapses. We could do away with marriage if it were balanced by rules that make people still responsible for raising their kids together. But that would get ridiculous if a person has kids by a lot of other partners. Too difficult to manage. So I think, originally society was like a complicated watch with a bunch of gears working together. Take 1 out and it messes up a lot of other things. Now people want to try and change things but they have no clue how to really do it without contributing to society as a whole toppling over in my opinion.
@hahahmm You raise a fair point. Considering a huge number of people are basically like sheep, that need herding and rules and abstract concepts/institutions to tell them things.
There's them and then there's those, that make money off from it on top of having control. Man, those few people, that run it all really know what they're doing to benefit from it.
The one initiates pays. Sure would rethink their decisions and cheating.
Not have so many people get married in the first place.
Encourage people to think more before they grab the first person they can sink their claws into.
For ''Americans" - get divorced somewhere else?
Lower the marriage rate. Fewer marriages = fewer divorces.
If people actually took marriage seriously. It’s not just “a thing you do.”
We could lower the marriage rate even further. The number one cause of divorce is marriage.
People need to be educated about it, but that is up to the people getting married.
Ladies stop being airheads. Be accountable for your poor decisions
More later marriages, i. e, men at or after 40;women 30-40.
Prenuptial agreements
The abolishment of no fault divorce
Make divorce illegal.
Move to Canada before getting divorced!
Make it a federal law outlawing marriage.
good question!
You really mean get people to stay together for long periods of time for stability of family units and wealth preservation
Ban marriage except as a religious ceremony.
If less people got married.
@Peridot25 Yes, there are fewer weddings and fewer births. The only people that can afford to have kids are the welfare class. It is reverse Darwinism.
Definitely moving into getgorrbribf
Equal consequences after the divorce
Change societal and cultural norms.
Make them harder to get.
Get rid of no fault divorce
A return to at-fault divorce.
Don't marry an American.
Make American men marry Eastern women.
Not get married
Abolish marriage
Open relationships