Guys, Why some men blame feminist on the fact they are submissive?

[amyba]

It gets on my nerves because I love men who are dominate leaders. Submissve men annoy me because they always give the excuse of why they are submissive and they always blame it on feminist. The issue I have with that is there is still a lot of dominant men around even though feminist ideas are popular in the media and in this society.

The dominant men who are still around did not change who they are because of what society says. I believe the men who are submissive today were born submissive because I don't believe a dominant man would allow society to change him just because society calls it toxic masculinity and prefers men take female roles

Woman can only dominant you if you allow her to... don't blame feminist for the fact you have no balls. What guys think? Give me opinions please.

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

In a female dominated environment you can't be dominant as a male, I've ended up in HR meetings Aged 17. These meetings had 4 women defending the bullish/lying behaviour of their female staff and a male union rep defending my braveness and strengths. I thought to myself as a nursing assistant why am i being hounded by women when all my patients are going home completely satisfied and im able to manage my own ward bay whereas they need to all buddy up and get to leave home early? Is this equality? Why the lies?
After that trauma i decided to be submissive at university and had a tonne of girls interested. These were feminists who seemed to come across arrogant and complained about any guy who tried to confront them over their issues 🤨 I realised submissive is pathetic and those very girls are not for me.
I became myself again aged 23 and from then on it's been a rollercoaster ride!
i get why men blame them, feminists can be very hypocritical, unreasonable, and themselves dominant. Yet here you are criticising submissive men? See the hypocrisy.

[amyba]

Nah I have issues with men blaming feminist for being submissive. Stop blaming others for you being submissive. I am submissive because I love it I love being submissive to my man no body made me this way. If a man becomes submissive because of feminist then to me he was never a leader to begin with.

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

You do realise your submissiveness is what Feminists were first interested in defending and giving you rights towards incase you felt victim of a dominant man. But they became femi-nazis to dominant men to torture them for being men [#metoo'd]. This is the thing you aren't protesting about. All you're doing now is slapping the victims. Not all men can remain dominant in a society that hates them. Look on fetish websites, all you have are 30yr old and 40yr old women complaining they can't find a true dominant man who will 'break the law' and give them consensual nonconsensual sex, but also complaining they were sexually assaulted by the very men. I said before and will say it again, hypocrisy. [walks away]

[YHL6965]

My opinion is that you are a very judgmental people. Men are submissive or dominant partly because of their personality, but partly because of their environment too, particularly their education. Whether you want it or not, your environment, including society, will affect you to an extent.

Even though I agree that it's ridiculous to blame feminists for that because, at some point, you need to acknowledge your responsibilities as an individual because you choose to be/stay submissive, I think these men are a minority. You can blame feminists for a lot of things, but I don't think that's a valid complaint.

I'm personally more submissive than dominant, but I don't blame it on feminists. It's a result of the environment I grew up in combined with my personality but I don't blame anyone for that because being more submissive is not even an issue for me.

To sum up, I just think they give into that victim mentality, which seems to be a trend these days, so that they throw the responsibility/blame off of them and onto someone else because it's so much easier than actually taking your responsibilities and fixing the problem yourself like a mature person.

[Anonymous]

Your view is very black and white, it's very binary. I am a laid back person in a relationship, I am generally relaxed and calm about things as I don't see a reason to be 'dominant' about everything in life and that doesn't make my girlfriend dominant either we just talk about things and make decisions together. There isn't always this submissive/dominant element that people love to believe is there. That being said, while I am a laid back person, if someone crosses a line I will put my foot down and make sure they understand that it's a problem. I don't think it's a case of simplifying people and just labelling a guy as one way or the other, it's more about if a guy knows when to be cool about things and when to make himself heard, I don't believe dudes are all submissive all the time or all dominant all the time and if those guys exist, they both really aren't great fun to be around I'd wager.

[Person234]

This is really true we are all a blend of personalities we can’t be dominant in every situation and sometimes being “dominant” in a relationships just leads to fighting.

[BlueEyedBirdWatcher]

When feminism was starting many men didn't exist. So they were raised under a more feminist pushed society, and resisting your upbringing idbdamn hard.

I don't feel they are submissive, I feel they are cautious, like they are on trial by a society that is changing the rules every day. No man knows what the rules are so we can't look to eachother for a good example. We are always guessing what is flirting (or outside of flirting, just joking) and what is offensive.

If a dispute does start, and I say I was flirting, she says it was harassment I know what way people will think.

I blame feminism for saying what is wrong and not saying what is right. And also being an unregulated organisation where anyone with a keyboard can suggest a new rule or start a virtual mob.

They destroyed without creating. And I agree it had to be destroyed, but whatever those social norms are we need to know them and have some agreement.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Hear me out:

I'm submissive, but only in the bedroom. It's purely a sexual preference, and I blame nobody really. If I had to assign a reason for it, I would place that at the feet of two distinct parts of my life:

1. An ex-gf who really screwed me up mentally and sexually, but even then I still don't blame her per-se, as in a way, she freed me from my own backwards thinking on the topic of sexuality.

2. A crushing amount of responsibility in both my professional and personal life, far above that of most people I know, and for that when I escape into fantasy-land, I prefer to let someone else handle the responsibilities and to just follow. You will find a lot of men in power enjoy sexual submission - dominatrix have existed for decades.

I'm curious how you came to your conclusions and would be happy to discuss it.

[Hawner]

Since there are new laws making it easier for women to get a man in trouble with the law (with reason, I must say), man has adapted by being submissive. That way, they are less likely to get in any trouble that will get them in jail, out of work and such.
While I defend laws that protect women to the extent we have now, that is sadly a downside. Some women abuse it to get profit, get revenge and such. Hence why we tend to be more submissive.

[amyba]

Nahh men have been becoming submissive for a long time meaning passive and not take lead. Them laws are their to protects us. I dont want to be raped or forced to do something and having the law not care for what happens to me. I don't believe this makes men submissive unless you mean dominant men means rapist and woman beaters. That to me ain't no dominant man thats a heartless pig. A true dominant man is a leader who is not afraid to set boundaries when someone crosses them. He also repects women

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

I've been accused of sexual assault for pinching my dates butt when she kept slowing down purposefully to bump into me when i was admiring the scenery. This very girl then numerous times tried having sex with me without SAYING ANYTHING. She was a feminist. She went back to a guy who kept punching her hard in the arm lol her own friends 'girls' had no respect for her and would on occasions catch her cheating on her bfs. She yet complained about the dominant males her friends had chosen. She ended up choosing a submissive guy! LMAO im done, i literally died when she told me. Poor guy.

[Hawner]

@amyba If you had read what I wrote, you would know that i specifically said that I support those laws. However, supporting them does not mean that I am blind to some negative effects they might create, one of which is men thinking twice before making any kind of advances towards women. Dominant by nature or otherwise, men aren't stupid (most of the time) and don't want to get into trouble in case they encounter one of those that yell "Wolf".
On any other circumstance, including the boundaries and such you mentioned, we are like always. That hasn't changed.

[Anonymous]

The fact there are still dominant men is not an argument against the reality that feminism is indeed largely to blame for the feminization of men. There are still some boys who are raised to be real men despite the odds against it today. But many are less masculine now for several reasons.

First and foremost, feminism demonizes masculinity and discourages parents from allowing boys to engage in masculine behavior.

Feminism pushes the belief that boys and girls are no different from each other so it should be no surprise that boys are being raised more like girls, especially by their mothers.

Speaking of mothers, probably the biggest reason is that feminism has pushed for the destruction of the nuclear family and encouraged women to raise children without fathers. Boys who are raised without a good father figure are never taught to be real men.

If you love men who are dominate leaders, you should hate feminism.

[Anonymous]

That's not true, I'm submissive and I support feminism (but not femi-nazism).
Conservative men are the ones who blame feminists for the existence of submissive men.
As a submissive man, I blame patriarchal society and religion for the fact most women are submissive.
Religious and patriarchal upbringing of girls - since the early childhood, is directly responsible for indoctrinating women and making them passive, submissive and lacking any kind of initiative.
Most women won't make the first step, and that's a big problem for shy men like me.
Because of stupid patriarchy, I'm a virgin in my late 30s.

[Brian___1731]

I agree with some points you are saying. Nowadays many have become white knights and simps.

[Brian___1731]

But a few radical feminists do make guys angry.

[amyba]

They make me angry too

[Brian___1731]

Yeah, incels , simps, radical feminists are all the same, having an ulterior motive. But hopefully things can be solved soon

[hellacray]

I don't know what you're talking about. Submissive guys would probably be a feminist themselves. Why would they be against feminism if they are submissive?

It's the guys with brains that are against feminism. Feminists are hypocrites and feminism is not needed here in the states anymore.

[amyba]

I just heard many submissive guys say that... not all submissive guys are feminist

[hellacray]

Well then he's probably not submissive.

[TomGarand]

@amyba Actually, in my case, feminism has nothing to do with it. In my case, I just liked women with more masculine traits, especially dominance and fighting prowess.

Even before I was attracted to anyone, I found girls with those traits cooler than normal, feminine girls.

[jahaims]

I only read the title but I'd say because it can be scary because you never know what a girl might say. Their have been cases especially on college campuses where women have admitted that it was consensual at the time but they later regret it and try to press charges for rape. by the way I am very dominant and was lucky to find someone who likes that a lot.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

When a person is a failure or lacks sufficient adequacy in whatever it is, they tend blame everyone else to protect their ego and shame that covers their face to feel better about themselves and not have to face the burden and responsibility of their own failure.

[SHREYASH007]

yes i hate submissive men too... well i am too much aggressive compared to others. is it a good thing or should i change myself

[amyba]

We all have flaws to work on... what you mean by aggression?

[SHREYASH007]

like i get angry easily and always have too much aggression while sex if required.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Same reason why some feminists blame men why they're submissive

[amyba]

No one is making them be submissive they chose to be.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's what some men also do because of the world today vs the world before. It's all choices so there's really no need for those movements.

[Anonymous]

I don't blame them, I like being submissive, dominant girls turn me on, it's my choice, nobody influenced it, I was born this way.
Those who blame feminists are not submissive men, they are male chauvinists and misogynists (mostly mgtow and some of the incels).

[LibtardLoserUK]

I have not seen any of these submissive feminist-blamers but I suppose it's possible a few exist somewhere.

[syskerully]

Lol you haven't even had sex yet wtf are you talking about

[Aquiline_feast]

People stopped adoring generosity of being tolerant of them and gentle presence.

[ballweevil]

I dont blame feminist for not being dominant , because it isn't in my nature to me dominant, but on other side im not submissive. So just dividing guys into dominant and submissive is just stupid and incorrect

[amyba]

You are a switch thats why I am talking about sub and dom men not switches. You said being dominated is not in your nature if you ain't dominant at all then you submissive you follow you don't lead

[ballweevil]

You are right i dont lead, but i dont let anyone lead me to do something i dont want. So im in middle nor submissive nor dominant.

[amyba]

There is different types of submissives some actual have boundaries so i do see you as submissive.

[ballweevil]

Sure, you see what you want to see, you divided males in two groups so you just need to put them in one. That is just sad

[TJFreshman22]

Couldn't agree more