And you'll still be shot because the said asshole and all his pals will see that if he kills enough people, you'll bow down to everything he asks. So he will ask for something else, and if you refuse, he'll kill another bunch of people, until you accept again. And so on and so forth. Better start converting yourself to islam right now, that will save you some time :)
How do you know that man? Have you already converted? Why would anyone ask me to do anything? How is that related? If you mock any religion there will be reactions. Some violent, some non violent. I don't support violence at all but your mockery would also be not acceptable.
Its obviously a risk to make fun or intentionally denigrate someone or something that someone else believes in. The Muslims called their bluff and killed them. There are no guarantees in a free society. People will do what they believe is right, whether it is what Charlie Hebdo does or what the Islamic attacker did.
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You must be fcked in the head to laugh at things other people believe in. Why does religion bother people that much that they have to joke about it. Simple, if you don’t believe in it just forget about it and move on with your scum life. Same people who joke about racism and sexuality pieces of shit have no life
Yes. Religion is fair game. I don't have much sympathy for people's sensibilities. There are too many fragile people and it's not my job to worry about their issues. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
We have the right to laugh at anything (sensitive or insensitive), never let a humourless liberal or religious nut tell you otherwise. If they don’t like, they can ignore, not scold
@Tea-Spaghetti It's classical liberalism that started in about the 18th century with philosophers like Hobbes and Mill et. al. and is reflected in the First Amendment to the US Constitution.
Nah it's just the Seattle ego thinking they're sooo enlightened compared to the rest of America for teenager reasons like not going to church or whatever, something trivial from a world-wide point of view. Man I truly can't stand Seattle people. So falsely self-important.
@Tea-Spaghetti Maybe you should move to Arkansas or Alabama or Kansas or Mississippi where you will find like-minded people. But not so many well-paying jobs. Of course housing is cheap and there's a Cracker Barrel down on the four-lane when you want to get out.
For me more like-minded people are New Yorkers. They don't waste time on BS small things like being religious or not religious. Seattle (and majority of America) is too small minded to see the big picture of this world. I guess I should move to the east coast then or something similar enough..
Nah NYC, Boston, or LA people wouldn’t have created an autonomous zone. That is simply a Seattle/Portland thing because people are weird and stupid there. The PNW people suck in a special way.
There has to be a line in determining whether do we draw a line between overboard disrespect and provacating hate. To utterly disrespecting people's rights. As though you may have a right to free speech. It does not negate the fact that it comes with it's responsibility. Had this time been the time of our forefather's who fight to unite to join wars to defeat Authoritarian regimes. It defeats purpose of democracy to lower ourselves to become reckless.
We have the right to laugh about everything. And that's a good thing. It's not the humor that goes too far. It's stoic blindness that makes everyone act butt hurt. If I want to make a joke about Jesus getting "nailed" on the cross, you either find it funny or not. If you find it funny, good for you. I made you laugh. If you don't think it's funny, well then. So be it. Life goes on.
You do have the right to laugh at religion, however not everywhere, and without being offensive. Cases like you making a joke about Judaism when you were next to a highly traditional Judish friend would be inappropriate.
Yes and no, with the France situation while it was wrong to execute someone, its forbidden to draw Allah. There should be a basic line with jokes and things that religion has actively said you can't do along with human decency
No, it's not forbidden, it's even legal. I don't give a damn about their prophet, he's nothing more to me than any dude who died centuries ago. If they don't want to draw it, that's their problem, but I have absolutely no obligation to follow any religious rule, especially when they threaten people with violence and death for not obeying to their religion.
It wasn't, and if they don't like it, there are a whole lot of muslim countries out there, welcoming them to live in their religious heaven. We had enough of religion messing with us in power. We've put the catholics in their place, there is no reason to be nicer to the other, especially when they're more threatening. The more you'll give them, the more they'll ask. And trust me, they already ask a lot.
Asking not to illustrate their god is a very simple thing and that's the same news paper who made a lot jokes both about the holocaust and Jewish people in general, there's a line of common decency. Majority of muslims aren't asking the world to change to suit them
That's where you're very wrong :) In fact those problems are everywhere in my country, and start as early as primary school. In highschool, you already have a big part of muslim kids who refuse to accept anything contradicting their religion. What you call "decency" they call it "a step back". Everytime you step back, they ask for more. I think you don't have a good idea of the situation here. Muslims in the US are pretty different than ours. Latest poll we made, a month ago, showed that more than 75% of them consider their religion above the law of the country, and that 30% agree with the terrorists.
Your point is basically bowing down before terrorists, expecting them to stop once we give them what they want. Which is, of course, ridiculous, because all you'd do is show them that if they kill enough people, they can have anything they want. And they'll do it again for something else.
*Majority of Muslims aren't asking the world to change to suit them* Lmfao 🤣 do you know about the halal certification?
Muslims don't respect any other religion. Recently, Muslims converted the biggest church of the past (Hagia Sophia) to a mosque. That is illegal but considering they are in power, they can do it.
In India, a lot of mosque are built on temple ruins. Muslims destroyed temples then created mosques over it.
Why do Muslims destroy temples? Because according to Islam, there's no god but Allah and all other gods are devils. To establish a mosque and to demolish the places of worship of other religion is good in Islam.
In Pakistan, minor girls from other religions are forcefully converted, married to old dudes who should be their grandpa and then the court gives statement that now, because the girl had accepted Islam and is married, she is property of her husband and he will decide what to do with it.
Thankfully you have a life unlike the teacher who was beheaded for speaking. That being said, beheading for speaking against Islam is under Sharia law.
I'm fortunate to have met a few who acknowledge and dont follow the laws to the letter. What was wrong and I agree with you on that but a blanket statement on an entire religion isn't fair in my opinion
I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam. Islam is cancer. Islam is an ideology which tells people to differentiate between Muslims and non muslims. Islam teaches to hate other religions. Islam as an ideology can never change. People can but Islam can't. The ones you met are called munafiq. I love munafiq. People can change but ideology can't.
No and know the point you're getting at, there's flaws in Islam but again a lot dont follow those laws. To say it's a cancer is unfair in my opinion, you re fair to your own and maybe it's just the overly harsh tone but I personally dont agree
Minority doesn't matter. Do you know in Pakistan after Muslims removed all Hindus and other minorities, Sunni started a rally against Shia and killed a dozen while at it?
Your opinion isn't factual. You don't know Islam. Read about it. You'll learn what sort of deadly cancer Islam is.
According to Islam, the best man is prophet Muhammad who is a rapist, murderer, warlord.
https://youtu.be/GfqnnbcUVMQ Watch this video. Also, if you want to learn more about Islam, feel free to reply. Again, ISLAM IS CANCER.
My opinion is a fact. Your opinion is your emotions. I have given facts to back my opinion. Actual news on Islam and references from Qur'an and Hadiths. You've only said what you FEEL.
About living with a couple who were Muslim for almost 3 years and the were lovely. When I lived in Ontario there was a large Muslim community and never had any issues there. Have a young Syrian girl who's Muslim in my current class who takes a lot of shit for a middle schooler for being Muslim sadly
They are good people. I know a lot of good Muslims too. A lot of people in my college are Muslims. I eat biryani in Muslim place right behind my college. Let me tell you other life experience, in Feb the area near my college was burned. A lot of people were killed. Muslims were specifically targeting Hindus. In the end it was revealed that the man behind it was a Muslim political leader who wanted to teach Hindu a lesson. Every Muslim was calling it a Hindu pogrom (they are saying that Hindu did it). But when the main person was arrested and found out to be a Muslim, then muslims defended him or remained quite.
https://youtu.be/k0SXZ3V4gCU watch this documentary too. Just because you've met a few good Muslims doesn't make Islam good. Islam is cancer. A lot of people leave Islam after reading about it. The ones who don't leave either support that ideology or only listen to what their Muslim leader tells them and don't actually read.
No we should be crying and in shame for allowing them to control you! All religions are man made to control people! They are the cause of wars death and violance!
Religions are just people's hope narratives. We're all monkeys on a floating rock tho so who tf cares if you have a chuckle at some dumbass rule or religion. If you're actively encouraging people to mock that religion, well then that's wrong. It still stays people's hope narratives and the topic is thusly very sensitive to them. But again if you like judging people on what they believe in that says a lot about you and your culture ^^
Well you shouldn’t make fun of something just to be a Dick about it. I’m not familiar with Charlie Hebdo but if that’s what his point is than he is a douchebag
@jonathanlama I think it's ok to make fun if it helps our society to grow but some people can make fun just to be a bully and that's what I mean is wrong. I hope I can get an upvote thanks :D
Charlie Hebdo is a caricatures newspaper, they make fun of politicians, religions, everyone, except that the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were attacked for having made a caricature of the prophet, people were killed just for having made a drawing, and less than a month ago a professor was beheaded in France for showing a Charlie Hebdo caricature
Well I don't support those Muslims I think what that terrorist did was barbaric and evil. I think my personality is just that I prefer to be respectful but I don't think Charlie Hebdo is doing anything wrong in a free society like France yes.
That's about the only thing, besides being fat, that people can laugh about anymore or persecute without being called a racist. Don't you think that those too should not be allowed?
I guess? I just sometimes don't find it all that funny despite being an atheist... and it comes off as trying to antagonize people rather than trying to make somebody laugh.
the funniest thing about it is that these religious retards prove how fake their religion, god and faith are. So fake and non-existent that they have to resort to violence and suppression of speech in order to defend their god.
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We shall criticize every religion but should not laugh at any as it is a matter of believes and emotions.
But in today's world religion is used as weapon for division, hatred, terrorism, political gains etc.
It's time to be more responsible and sensitive to maintain peace and harmony.
So basically bow down before people who threaten you if you mock their religion. Nice one.
Yeah.. I don't want to get shot by an ahole who doesn't know shit about religion. ☮️
And you'll still be shot because the said asshole and all his pals will see that if he kills enough people, you'll bow down to everything he asks.
So he will ask for something else, and if you refuse, he'll kill another bunch of people, until you accept again. And so on and so forth.
Better start converting yourself to islam right now, that will save you some time :)
How do you know that man? Have you already converted?
Why would anyone ask me to do anything? How is that related?
If you mock any religion there will be reactions. Some violent, some non violent. I don't support violence at all but your mockery would also be not acceptable.
Its obviously a risk to make fun or intentionally denigrate someone or something that someone else believes in. The Muslims called their bluff and killed them. There are no guarantees in a free society. People will do what they believe is right, whether it is what Charlie Hebdo does or what the Islamic attacker did.
You must be fcked in the head to laugh at things other people believe in. Why does religion bother people that much that they have to joke about it. Simple, if you don’t believe in it just forget about it and move on with your scum life. Same people who joke about racism and sexuality pieces of shit have no life
Yes. Religion is fair game. I don't have much sympathy for people's sensibilities. There are too many fragile people and it's not my job to worry about their issues. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
We have the right to laugh at anything (sensitive or insensitive), never let a humourless liberal or religious nut tell you otherwise. If they don’t like, they can ignore, not scold
If people are offended they don’t have to read it. Religious people telling me I’m going to hell is offensive but I don’t have to listen.
Man you are such a Seattlite blegh
@Tea-Spaghetti It's classical liberalism that started in about the 18th century with philosophers like Hobbes and Mill et. al. and is reflected in the First Amendment to the US Constitution.
Nah it's just the Seattle ego thinking they're sooo enlightened compared to the rest of America for teenager reasons like not going to church or whatever, something trivial from a world-wide point of view. Man I truly can't stand Seattle people. So falsely self-important.
@Tea-Spaghetti Maybe you should move to Arkansas or Alabama or Kansas or Mississippi where you will find like-minded people. But not so many well-paying jobs. Of course housing is cheap and there's a Cracker Barrel down on the four-lane when you want to get out.
For me more like-minded people are New Yorkers. They don't waste time on BS small things like being religious or not religious. Seattle (and majority of America) is too small minded to see the big picture of this world. I guess I should move to the east coast then or something similar enough..
@Tea-Spaghetti It's the same all along the west coast and the Atlantic seaboard from DC north. Better buy a farm.
Nah NYC, Boston, or LA people wouldn’t have created an autonomous zone. That is simply a Seattle/Portland thing because people are weird and stupid there. The PNW people suck in a special way.
There has to be a line in determining whether do we draw a line between overboard disrespect and provacating hate. To utterly disrespecting people's rights. As though you may have a right to free speech. It does not negate the fact that it comes with it's responsibility. Had this time been the time of our forefather's who fight to unite to join wars to defeat Authoritarian regimes. It defeats purpose of democracy to lower ourselves to become reckless.
We have the right to laugh about everything. And that's a good thing. It's not the humor that goes too far. It's stoic blindness that makes everyone act butt hurt. If I want to make a joke about Jesus getting "nailed" on the cross, you either find it funny or not. If you find it funny, good for you. I made you laugh. If you don't think it's funny, well then. So be it. Life goes on.
Yes. We laugh at silly stuff. Tooth fairy and boogeymen so we also laugh at invisible man in the sky
You do have the right to laugh at religion, however not everywhere, and without being offensive. Cases like you making a joke about Judaism when you were next to a highly traditional Judish friend would be inappropriate.
Yes and no, with the France situation while it was wrong to execute someone, its forbidden to draw Allah.
There should be a basic line with jokes and things that religion has actively said you can't do along with human decency
No, it's not forbidden, it's even legal. I don't give a damn about their prophet, he's nothing more to me than any dude who died centuries ago. If they don't want to draw it, that's their problem, but I have absolutely no obligation to follow any religious rule, especially when they threaten people with violence and death for not obeying to their religion.
It's a simple thing called respect, they ask and it's well known that it's something you dont, that doesn't excuse what they did but it was wrong
It wasn't, and if they don't like it, there are a whole lot of muslim countries out there, welcoming them to live in their religious heaven. We had enough of religion messing with us in power. We've put the catholics in their place, there is no reason to be nicer to the other, especially when they're more threatening.
The more you'll give them, the more they'll ask. And trust me, they already ask a lot.
Asking not to illustrate their god is a very simple thing and that's the same news paper who made a lot jokes both about the holocaust and Jewish people in general, there's a line of common decency.
Majority of muslims aren't asking the world to change to suit them
That's where you're very wrong :)
In fact those problems are everywhere in my country, and start as early as primary school. In highschool, you already have a big part of muslim kids who refuse to accept anything contradicting their religion.
What you call "decency" they call it "a step back". Everytime you step back, they ask for more. I think you don't have a good idea of the situation here. Muslims in the US are pretty different than ours.
Latest poll we made, a month ago, showed that more than 75% of them consider their religion above the law of the country, and that 30% agree with the terrorists.
Wheres that?
In France.
What I can find in terms of percentages are a group from of immagrants lead a belief that their above the law?
I'll take your word for it but maybe you'll consider my point
Your point is basically bowing down before terrorists, expecting them to stop once we give them what they want.
Which is, of course, ridiculous, because all you'd do is show them that if they kill enough people, they can have anything they want. And they'll do it again for something else.
My point is not being an ass and insulting their religion
*Majority of Muslims aren't asking the world to change to suit them* Lmfao 🤣 do you know about the halal certification?
Muslims don't respect any other religion. Recently, Muslims converted the biggest church of the past (Hagia Sophia) to a mosque. That is illegal but considering they are in power, they can do it.
In India, a lot of mosque are built on temple ruins. Muslims destroyed temples then created mosques over it.
Why do Muslims destroy temples? Because according to Islam, there's no god but Allah and all other gods are devils. To establish a mosque and to demolish the places of worship of other religion is good in Islam.
In Pakistan, minor girls from other religions are forcefully converted, married to old dudes who should be their grandpa and then the court gives statement that now, because the girl had accepted Islam and is married, she is property of her husband and he will decide what to do with it.
Anything else you'd like to know about Islam?
I'm going from life experiences
Thanks for the discussion anyways
Thankfully you have a life unlike the teacher who was beheaded for speaking. That being said, beheading for speaking against Islam is under Sharia law.
I'm fortunate to have met a few who acknowledge and dont follow the laws to the letter.
What was wrong and I agree with you on that but a blanket statement on an entire religion isn't fair in my opinion
I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam. Islam is cancer. Islam is an ideology which tells people to differentiate between Muslims and non muslims. Islam teaches to hate other religions. Islam as an ideology can never change. People can but Islam can't. The ones you met are called munafiq. I love munafiq. People can change but ideology can't.
Do you like Nazis?
No and know the point you're getting at, there's flaws in Islam but again a lot dont follow those laws.
To say it's a cancer is unfair in my opinion, you re fair to your own and maybe it's just the overly harsh tone but I personally dont agree
Minority doesn't matter. Do you know in Pakistan after Muslims removed all Hindus and other minorities, Sunni started a rally against Shia and killed a dozen while at it?
Your opinion isn't factual. You don't know Islam. Read about it. You'll learn what sort of deadly cancer Islam is.
According to Islam, the best man is prophet Muhammad who is a rapist, murderer, warlord.
https://youtu.be/GfqnnbcUVMQ
Watch this video. Also, if you want to learn more about Islam, feel free to reply. Again, ISLAM IS CANCER.
Have your opinion
My opinion is a fact. Your opinion is your emotions. I have given facts to back my opinion. Actual news on Islam and references from Qur'an and Hadiths. You've only said what you FEEL.
Well life experiences is a little more accurate than feelings but again, have your opinion
Tell me about your life experience. You've not mentioned any.
About living with a couple who were Muslim for almost 3 years and the were lovely.
When I lived in Ontario there was a large Muslim community and never had any issues there.
Have a young Syrian girl who's Muslim in my current class who takes a lot of shit for a middle schooler for being Muslim sadly
They are good people. I know a lot of good Muslims too. A lot of people in my college are Muslims. I eat biryani in Muslim place right behind my college.
Let me tell you other life experience, in Feb the area near my college was burned. A lot of people were killed. Muslims were specifically targeting Hindus. In the end it was revealed that the man behind it was a Muslim political leader who wanted to teach Hindu a lesson. Every Muslim was calling it a Hindu pogrom (they are saying that Hindu did it). But when the main person was arrested and found out to be a Muslim, then muslims defended him or remained quite.
https://youtu.be/k0SXZ3V4gCU watch this documentary too. Just because you've met a few good Muslims doesn't make Islam good. Islam is cancer. A lot of people leave Islam after reading about it. The ones who don't leave either support that ideology or only listen to what their Muslim leader tells them and don't actually read.
Give me your thoughts on the video.
No we should be crying and in shame for allowing them to control you! All religions are man made to control people! They are the cause of wars death and violance!
Religions are just people's hope narratives. We're all monkeys on a floating rock tho so who tf cares if you have a chuckle at some dumbass rule or religion. If you're actively encouraging people to mock that religion, well then that's wrong. It still stays people's hope narratives and the topic is thusly very sensitive to them. But again if you like judging people on what they believe in that says a lot about you and your culture ^^
Well you shouldn’t make fun of something just to be a Dick about it. I’m not familiar with Charlie Hebdo but if that’s what his point is than he is a douchebag
@jonathanlama I think it's ok to make fun if it helps our society to grow but some people can make fun just to be a bully and that's what I mean is wrong. I hope I can get an upvote thanks :D
Charlie Hebdo is a caricatures newspaper, they make fun of politicians, religions, everyone, except that the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were attacked for having made a caricature of the prophet, people were killed just for having made a drawing, and less than a month ago a professor was beheaded in France for showing a Charlie Hebdo caricature
Well I don't support those Muslims I think what that terrorist did was barbaric and evil. I think my personality is just that I prefer to be respectful but I don't think Charlie Hebdo is doing anything wrong in a free society like France yes.
That's about the only thing, besides being fat, that people can laugh about anymore or persecute without being called a racist. Don't you think that those too should not be allowed?
I guess? I just sometimes don't find it all that funny despite being an atheist... and it comes off as trying to antagonize people rather than trying to make somebody laugh.
Yessir I have the right 😭and I use it cause I’m not sensitive
the funniest thing about it is that these religious retards prove how fake their religion, god and faith are. So fake and non-existent that they have to resort to violence and suppression of speech in order to defend their god.
I always try not to. Given the opportunity, my insensitivity reaches the sky. Religious beliefs are core values for some people, you know?