i don't think it's about sensitivity, a lot of people confuse respect with sensitivity as well as uneducated and sensitivity; personally, I wouldn't make fun of a situation or religion in any possible way because it's a part of someone's life. It's kinda like saying, "they have a magazine on disorders and suicides" and it makes people react however they'll react but most of all feel like they're not being respected because it's a huge thing that's a part of them or make them feel less. To me, I respect everyone whether it's ethnicity, color, religion, communities, you name it. But there's nothing sensitive about someone saying, "I don't like this, please don't do it." It's literally saying, "please respect my beliefs/likes."
ABSO-fucking-LUTELY !!! They ALREADY get too much (fake) respect in main stream society that equates religion with being a good thing -- If they want to have absurd, ignorant, and ludicrous beliefs, that don't stand up to scrutiny; that's fine... But when they get on their high-horse and condemn others for not buying into their brand of bullshit, AND pretend that their path (one of thousands) has it all right AND pretend to be offended that someone would question those beliefs -- THEN THE ANSWER IS Y-E-S, OF COURSE!! -- We can laugh at it, because it deserves to be ridiculed. It's so crazy, you can't help but laugh!
Well if Christianity is right you won't be laughing on judgement day. But for most religion is just no more than a crap shoot.
@Daniela1982 Case in point... You're bias for your "path" being right, when millions the world over disagree with you. It's your word against theirs. What you said is true about it being a crap shoot, but what you missed is that christianity is included in that group too -- They're ALL a crap shoot.
Of course we do. What we don't have the right to do is kill someone because we got offended. You choose to laugh or not to laugh at things and you also choose to be offended or not offended.
You could make the most offensive cartoon about me or someone or something I love and post it up on every street corner in the world and I won't kill anyone over it. I might say it is not funny to me but I won't kill anyone. If a cartoon causes you to kill someone over it, there is something wrong with you. Nobody has the right not to be offended. If you believe in something as ridiculous as Islam, it's basically impossible not to offend you eventually.
Well either it's all ok or none of it is ok.
I feel the same when people make jokes about race. If you're going to make fun of a race then it's open season on all races.
Now when you joke about these touchy subjects you need to make sure your joke is actually funny.
Cause I've definitely seen some legit offensive stuff that made the person telling it seemed racist, sexist, anti religion, etc...
Telling a crappy joke will get you boos. But telling a crappy joke about a touchy subject will get your ass beat.
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I do think it's important to find the humour in most things, even religion.
But the Charlie Hebdo situation is pretty specific and controversial. I worry about the employees' safety. Is it worth it, to 'fight terrorism'? I don't know how the climate is there, and how the French people think. Are they united, or divided, about this?
I do not mind if France gangbangs you. You all fucking sick
Especially ur ass
Caricatures are an old French tradition since the French revolution, even under our last kings there were really violent caricatures on the church and the Catholic religion. The French are I think in majority for, I think that it shocks our Muslim compatriots more, that's why I asked myself this question
OK, draw your own prophet like this in cartoons. Do not do it!!!, it would be a great disrespect to him. I am angry at this too. This is really disgusting and I don't want to learn french anymore. But I'm sure there are good people.
@AmandaYVR you are welcome
@AmandaYVR is clear now Amanda? send me ur ass cartoon pls? u understand my problem? ahhahaha
@AmandaYVR ahahaha you didn't get irony stupid ass Disrespectful shameless shits
u cares ur thanks send ur ass comics pls
@Hardpunk69 Do you have an argument or you just go around telling people that they should be raped or get fucked. Maybe that should happen to you by some actual real men if you ask me. You sound stupid by the way with no argument or intellect what so ever. Just a butt hurt troll who thinks using sex is the only way to debate. Such a waste of breath.
@mindNsoul hmmmm you see yourself justified without being ashamed. What rape? ur pastors fond of pedophilia? I'm free, if you laugh at whatever you want, maybe we're free to fuck whatever we want. But i never insult peoples religions and i never fuck your stinking pussy and ass. You always get fucked fuck your ass anyway. Ewww nasty prostitute shameless dishonorable fucking stupid cum slut
So where do you draw the line, tell me? You think that those people will stop if we don't draw anything. You think, after they've seen that killing enough people grant them what they want, they'll just stop there?
Oh no girl, what they'll do is realize that if they kill enough people, they can get what they want. They'll demand something else and then start killing again.
So, where do you stop? When they'll restrict your liberties? When they'll ask for their religion to be sacred? When they'll ask all women to be veiled? Or hidden? When they'll ask you to let them kill the gays, and the unbelievers? When they'll have the power and start executing anyone not following their faith, as they do in most muslim countries?
Just be respectful of people's beliefs. I respect all religions. It is very ignorant to call every Muslim a terrorist. My Christian friends aren't really as disgusting as those on this website.
I really feel for France at the moment. The radical Islamists are terrorising the country because of a cartoon. Muslims are boycotting France for having free speech in their country. It's disgraceful. France is a western country with western values of free speech and equality. If the Muslims don't like that they can fuck off back home (and that goes for other western countries).
Yes you are right, I thought that the English speaking countries were not too much for this kind of caricature
In my opinion you should respect everyone's right to have an opinion, even if it differs from your own. Muslims are entitled to live the way they do but shouldn't criticize others for not having the same way of life or opinion. Western society has gone too soft by letting snowflake opinions rule over free speech.
Satire and Carricature are critizism of the depicted things. Pointing out mistakes/failures/ and things that just are wrong.
Eg the many cases of child abuse in the catholic church.
I can understand when people are offended but usually that means the pictures are right.
You can argue if the topic is correct and the critizism is valid.
Eg, i don't really understand what the picture you've chosen is going to say, but this could also be the case of my french being not good enough.
The last question would be, if someone says its not okay to make religion part of satire, what is satire allowed to critique? And Why // Why not?
true, but I think its more on lines, we demand respect for our religion but won't give respect back for other.
Lets take example Making fun of Muhamed is total sin for muslims, but lets say they go to country where using any clothing on upper part of body for man and woman alike is considered a great sin. Now question who has right, muslim who doesn't want his wife to strip or culture who doesn't want to see clothes on upper part of body?
If someone can't accept other culture they should not live in it.
ህመም የስሜቱ ክፍል ብቻ ነው ፡፡ በሁኔታው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ የማይጸና የስነ-ልቦና ሽብር ፍፃሜው የማይቀር ነው ፡፡ ሥቃይና ጭንቀት በቅርቡ የማይታገሱ ይሆናሉ። በድርጊትዎ ምክንያት ቤተሰቦችዎ ደም ይፈስሳሉ። ለድርጊቶችዎ የዘላለም ሥቃይ ይሰማቸዋል.
Since centuries ago, society have the figure of the buffoon. In medieval times, the buffoon is the only one that was allowed to mock everything, and so the only one allowed to mock the king. When a king was tyrannical, the buffoon was killed or censored.
Usually the more prosperous a society is, the more freedom there's for buffoons to laugh, parody or criticize anything, and the more open a society is to receive such criticism, the more open is to reflect about beliefs and ideas, admit possible problems, work on them and keep evolving.
I do laugh at religion. Pedo priests
Suicider Jihads
can't do anything but eat and sleep Muslims
Stoning people back to the stone age
Women shouldn't even be seen let alone heard
Recruiting boy scout leaders and ice cream van drivers
Murdering people because they said 1 thing. Religion is trash causes nearly all issues in human society.
The Emperor of Mankind stands with me on this.
you an atheist?
You can mock whatever you want, including religion.
If people don't like it, they don't have to listen or they can mock back.
It just sounds like freedom of speech to me.
Yes of course 🙂
Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, can and should be used to make humor. If you are offended, go away. Humor does not have the intention to offend, only to make people laugh. Getting offended by a joke is stupid. If your intent is to insult, you are not telling a joke.
I am Christian, male send kinda fat. If we are in a group and you tell jokes about pedophile priests, horny boys and fat guys, I will laugh. Is that simple.
Yes its all part of freedom of speech. Its 100% possible to respect believers of all kinds and still make fun 9f each other once in a while. Muslims need to realize that cutting peoples heads off for drawing an unflattering cartoon is an OVER REACTION and simply not how things are done in the western world. Im all for opening our minds to be more accepting of those who follow Islam but freedom of speech is important and no one gets to just ignore that one core value.
Yeah, we have the right to laugh at religion. That's one of the aspects of religious freedom.
It is not right to make fun of someone for their religion, but to mock the aspects of a religion that deserve mocking (e. g. hypocrisy, monetization of religion, etc) is valuable.
A religion that cannot withstand petty mockery is not a religion - it is a cult.
I see nothing wrong with it, we all need to lighten up a little :)
What is the name of the adult actress in the second picture? I keep forgetting.
I think we should be able to make fun of religion, but we should also be able to make fun of feminism, the LGBT , and any other cause associated with the left-wing of the US and Europe. With that being said, it doesn't interest me to make fun of anyone or anything anymore.
THIS
We should have the right to laugh at whatever we want.
Yes 🙂
@HorrorFan i wanna laugh to ur wife
& laugh about a brick falling on a douchbags head too?
I absolutely positively think we have the right to laugh at religious things. As we have the right to laugh at atheistic things, political things, off color jokes, etc.
*HOWEVER*
That doesn't mean I support laughing at them. We have rights, like the right to be rude, but we shouldn't always do them.
Absolutely! Without so. eone standing there going "hehe" every once in a while, religion would go insane. Thats whats wrong with the Taliban. These are a people of the deepeat faith on the planet. You cannot argue that these people dont have an incredibly strong dogma. But the problem is that they are so divoted to the literal translation of their faith that they have eliminated humor.
Not only is it permitted, it should be required.
No, you have the right to not follow it or not believe in it if you want because that’s on you. It doesn’t give ANYONE the right to laugh or call other people stupid only because you have self hate yourself and because they don't believe in what you believe in.
then you have more freedom, precisely because freedom is the freedom to shock, if we only listen or if we hear what we like or what does not harm us, then we are freer. If we are to say things that do not shock the sensitivity of people, then you say nothing, because the slightest thing that you can say can hurt or shock someone's sensitivity.
Sensitive or not be it any religion, mockery is bad it hurts people but killing is not a solution they could have challenged it with law file a complaint or some legal shit so if it was wrong or untasteful mockery they would be compelled to bring it down or apologise for it.
I donot understand why people kill for it
As long as we're talking about *rights*, we have the right to laugh at whatever we damn well please. Maybe it's insensitive, and maybe that warrants criticism in some cases, but we have the right to do it.
No it’s not okay to make fun of religion - it’s okay to say you don’t believe it or follow it - just like I can say I won’t eat at your restaurant but I can’t tell you your cooking is bad
and why not? You have the right to say what you think, and I don't see what is wrong with making fun of religion, and after all god is big enough to stand up for himself all alone🙂
Its wrong to make fun of religion because it’s wrong to make fun of people’s feelings and emotions and value systems
then you have more freedom, precisely because freedom is the freedom to shock, if we only listen or if we hear what we like or what does not harm us, then we are freer. If we are to say things that do not shock the sensitivity of people, then you say nothing, because the slightest thing that you can say can hurt or shock someone's sensitivity.
There’s a difference between accidental pain and intentional harm to another that is designed to inflict injury
No, you are for the censorship, you can dress it behind with beautiful feelings, but you are a supporter of the censorship and I respect that, but I am for the freedom of caricature.
jennifer has been on this site many years talking about Christianity and the Bible she is very religious and brings good wholesome questions to GaG so I respect her for that. I am religious too but I think it’s ok to make fun of things as long as you’re intending to be mean
I guess
I am not saying Jennifer that they are bad people, I respect his belief and his opinion and I explain why for me we can make fun of everything
Not intending*
Yeah! LAUGH, and I am laughing!! I am So sick of all this Islamic crap, and they infiltrate western nations, and suddenly, all of those people must submit to Shithead, Sharashit laws? No!! We live there, and those fuckers come, as immigrants, and welcomed, but they turn, and become evil!!
They cannot say that we have to follow their bullshit laws!!
Call it offensive, but them, coming here, and they are offensive thinking we need to change for them!
We shall criticize every religion but should not laugh at any as it is a matter of believes and emotions.
But in today's world religion is used as weapon for division, hatred, terrorism, political gains etc.
It's time to be more responsible and sensitive to maintain peace and harmony.
And you'll still be shot because the said asshole and all his pals will see that if he kills enough people, you'll bow down to everything he asks.
So he will ask for something else, and if you refuse, he'll kill another bunch of people, until you accept again. And so on and so forth.
Better start converting yourself to islam right now, that will save you some time :)
Its obviously a risk to make fun or intentionally denigrate someone or something that someone else believes in. The Muslims called their bluff and killed them. There are no guarantees in a free society. People will do what they believe is right, whether it is what Charlie Hebdo does or what the Islamic attacker did.
We have the right to laugh at anything (sensitive or insensitive), never let a humourless liberal or religious nut tell you otherwise. If they don’t like, they can ignore, not scold
You must be fcked in the head to laugh at things other people believe in. Why does religion bother people that much that they have to joke about it. Simple, if you don’t believe in it just forget about it and move on with your scum life. Same people who joke about racism and sexuality pieces of shit have no life
We have the right to laugh about everything. And that's a good thing. It's not the humor that goes too far. It's stoic blindness that makes everyone act butt hurt. If I want to make a joke about Jesus getting "nailed" on the cross, you either find it funny or not. If you find it funny, good for you. I made you laugh. If you don't think it's funny, well then. So be it. Life goes on.
Yes. Religion is fair game. I don't have much sympathy for people's sensibilities. There are too many fragile people and it's not my job to worry about their issues. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
There has to be a line in determining whether do we draw a line between overboard disrespect and provacating hate. To utterly disrespecting people's rights. As though you may have a right to free speech. It does not negate the fact that it comes with it's responsibility. Had this time been the time of our forefather's who fight to unite to join wars to defeat Authoritarian regimes. It defeats purpose of democracy to lower ourselves to become reckless.
Yes. We laugh at silly stuff. Tooth fairy and boogeymen so we also laugh at invisible man in the sky
If people are offended they don’t have to read it. Religious people telling me I’m going to hell is offensive but I don’t have to listen.
Man you are such a Seattlite blegh
Nah it's just the Seattle ego thinking they're sooo enlightened compared to the rest of America for teenager reasons like not going to church or whatever, something trivial from a world-wide point of view. Man I truly can't stand Seattle people. So falsely self-important.
For me more like-minded people are New Yorkers. They don't waste time on BS small things like being religious or not religious. Seattle (and majority of America) is too small minded to see the big picture of this world. I guess I should move to the east coast then or something similar enough..
Nah NYC, Boston, or LA people wouldn’t have created an autonomous zone. That is simply a Seattle/Portland thing because people are weird and stupid there. The PNW people suck in a special way.
You do have the right to laugh at religion, however not everywhere, and without being offensive. Cases like you making a joke about Judaism when you were next to a highly traditional Judish friend would be inappropriate.
Yes and no, with the France situation while it was wrong to execute someone, its forbidden to draw Allah.
There should be a basic line with jokes and things that religion has actively said you can't do along with human decency
No, it's not forbidden, it's even legal. I don't give a damn about their prophet, he's nothing more to me than any dude who died centuries ago. If they don't want to draw it, that's their problem, but I have absolutely no obligation to follow any religious rule, especially when they threaten people with violence and death for not obeying to their religion.
It wasn't, and if they don't like it, there are a whole lot of muslim countries out there, welcoming them to live in their religious heaven. We had enough of religion messing with us in power. We've put the catholics in their place, there is no reason to be nicer to the other, especially when they're more threatening.
The more you'll give them, the more they'll ask. And trust me, they already ask a lot.
That's where you're very wrong :)
In fact those problems are everywhere in my country, and start as early as primary school. In highschool, you already have a big part of muslim kids who refuse to accept anything contradicting their religion.
What you call "decency" they call it "a step back". Everytime you step back, they ask for more. I think you don't have a good idea of the situation here. Muslims in the US are pretty different than ours.
Latest poll we made, a month ago, showed that more than 75% of them consider their religion above the law of the country, and that 30% agree with the terrorists.
Your point is basically bowing down before terrorists, expecting them to stop once we give them what they want.
Which is, of course, ridiculous, because all you'd do is show them that if they kill enough people, they can have anything they want. And they'll do it again for something else.
*Majority of Muslims aren't asking the world to change to suit them* Lmfao 🤣 do you know about the halal certification?
Muslims don't respect any other religion. Recently, Muslims converted the biggest church of the past (Hagia Sophia) to a mosque. That is illegal but considering they are in power, they can do it.
In India, a lot of mosque are built on temple ruins. Muslims destroyed temples then created mosques over it.
Why do Muslims destroy temples? Because according to Islam, there's no god but Allah and all other gods are devils. To establish a mosque and to demolish the places of worship of other religion is good in Islam.
In Pakistan, minor girls from other religions are forcefully converted, married to old dudes who should be their grandpa and then the court gives statement that now, because the girl had accepted Islam and is married, she is property of her husband and he will decide what to do with it.
Anything else you'd like to know about Islam?
I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam. Islam is cancer. Islam is an ideology which tells people to differentiate between Muslims and non muslims. Islam teaches to hate other religions. Islam as an ideology can never change. People can but Islam can't. The ones you met are called munafiq. I love munafiq. People can change but ideology can't.
Do you like Nazis?
Minority doesn't matter. Do you know in Pakistan after Muslims removed all Hindus and other minorities, Sunni started a rally against Shia and killed a dozen while at it?
Your opinion isn't factual. You don't know Islam. Read about it. You'll learn what sort of deadly cancer Islam is.
According to Islam, the best man is prophet Muhammad who is a rapist, murderer, warlord.
https://youtu.be/GfqnnbcUVMQ
Watch this video. Also, if you want to learn more about Islam, feel free to reply. Again, ISLAM IS CANCER.
About living with a couple who were Muslim for almost 3 years and the were lovely.
When I lived in Ontario there was a large Muslim community and never had any issues there.
Have a young Syrian girl who's Muslim in my current class who takes a lot of shit for a middle schooler for being Muslim sadly
They are good people. I know a lot of good Muslims too. A lot of people in my college are Muslims. I eat biryani in Muslim place right behind my college.
Let me tell you other life experience, in Feb the area near my college was burned. A lot of people were killed. Muslims were specifically targeting Hindus. In the end it was revealed that the man behind it was a Muslim political leader who wanted to teach Hindu a lesson. Every Muslim was calling it a Hindu pogrom (they are saying that Hindu did it). But when the main person was arrested and found out to be a Muslim, then muslims defended him or remained quite.
https://youtu.be/k0SXZ3V4gCU watch this documentary too. Just because you've met a few good Muslims doesn't make Islam good. Islam is cancer. A lot of people leave Islam after reading about it. The ones who don't leave either support that ideology or only listen to what their Muslim leader tells them and don't actually read.
Give me your thoughts on the video.
No we should be crying and in shame for allowing them to control you! All religions are man made to control people! They are the cause of wars death and violance!
Religions are just people's hope narratives. We're all monkeys on a floating rock tho so who tf cares if you have a chuckle at some dumbass rule or religion. If you're actively encouraging people to mock that religion, well then that's wrong. It still stays people's hope narratives and the topic is thusly very sensitive to them. But again if you like judging people on what they believe in that says a lot about you and your culture ^^
Well you shouldn’t make fun of something just to be a Dick about it. I’m not familiar with Charlie Hebdo but if that’s what his point is than he is a douchebag
@jonathanlama I think it's ok to make fun if it helps our society to grow but some people can make fun just to be a bully and that's what I mean is wrong. I hope I can get an upvote thanks :D
Charlie Hebdo is a caricatures newspaper, they make fun of politicians, religions, everyone, except that the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo were attacked for having made a caricature of the prophet, people were killed just for having made a drawing, and less than a month ago a professor was beheaded in France for showing a Charlie Hebdo caricature
Well I don't support those Muslims I think what that terrorist did was barbaric and evil. I think my personality is just that I prefer to be respectful but I don't think Charlie Hebdo is doing anything wrong in a free society like France yes.
That's about the only thing, besides being fat, that people can laugh about anymore or persecute without being called a racist. Don't you think that those too should not be allowed?
I guess? I just sometimes don't find it all that funny despite being an atheist... and it comes off as trying to antagonize people rather than trying to make somebody laugh.
Yessir I have the right 😭and I use it cause I’m not sensitive
the funniest thing about it is that these religious retards prove how fake their religion, god and faith are. So fake and non-existent that they have to resort to violence and suppression of speech in order to defend their god.
I always try not to. Given the opportunity, my insensitivity reaches the sky. Religious beliefs are core values for some people, you know?
Make jokes about everything that is openly known. Religion, race, economic status, intelligence, weight, doesn't matter, if it doesn't affect how you treat the person on a day to day basis, just don't be a complete dick.
Religion, like anything else, should be up for grabs with comedy. I think everyone should have the right to it, even if it may offend someone. It’s not the place of the government to decide.
With comedy, either everything is ok to joke about or nothing is ok to joke about.
The right, AND the duty. Religions are dangerous, because as soon as you consider them untouchable, they'll try to get in power.
You need to show them their place.
George Carlin already did at maximum temperature. Hilarious! I enjoy having the good laughs. I won't deny that. And neither will i deny looking at beautiful women, married or not.
Laughing at religions isn't against the law. Chopping heads off is!
I'm not gonna stop doing something just because it offends you. I'm tired of certain groups of people thinking they are untouchable!
I agree! Have your beliefs, and I support them, until those beliefs of some other, start to INFRINGE upon mine! I don't hate people, that follow Islam, and I have many friends that do.
I HATE, and cannot tolerate, the Radical fcks, that think it is their RIGHT to FORCE everyone to comply with their fcked up interpretation, their RADICAL expression, beheading, and killing those that don't follow their FCKED up, Radical way!
How are they different than serial killers and murderers?
Satire is everyone's right.. one should be patient... gods don't even curse his critics then who are the followers to put limits on criticism...
We have the right to laugh at anything. The moment we don’t is when it’s true monarchy.
Make fun of religion all you want, but don't cry when I make fun of your sexuality or your stupid beliefs on any subject
yes no problem for me😉
Yeah but that ain't gonna happen
Liberal social justice warriors are hypocrites in every way, they talk shit about tradition and religion but start poopin their pants when you say something about their 51 genders
Sad lyfe i swear
Yes. Did you know Muhammad was a murdering paedophile who killed tens of thousands? I mean the fact we still believe in religion in this day and age is embarrassing
Everyone has the right to laugh at anything he chooses; but if you do it in France or the Muslim world, you'd better mind your life!
I have my own religion and I would hate for someone to laugh in my face. With that said don’t make fun of religion or anything related to them.
Why not? Just don't push your humour or make religious person laugh at your jokes as then it becomes offensive.
Otherwise, if some brainwashed stupid person takes his religion to seriously and trying to kill you don't be surprised...
Yes
But
others have the right to attack us, if we do
They don't have the right to physically harass us, but, they are allowed to make fun of us for doing it
Yes, I support free speech. We also have the right to censor on an individual level.
Radical muslims are still living before the middle ages
If religious people can genuinely despite people that aren’t religious (or have a different religion) and say to people “this is against MY religion so YOU can’t do that” than what makes other people making jokes about religion wrong?
A religion that can't stand up to scrutiny and ridicule isn't one worth following.
Do you think Muslims have the right to convert the best church of a time into a mosque? If yes, then we have a right to laugh at Islam.
Laughing at religions isn't just a right, it's a duty. Maybe lay off the Muslims though if you don't want your head cut off.
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