He probably won’t go to prison, wealth and power has its privileges, but his little whiny bitch ass was definitely trying to pressure an elected official to change the outcome of an election. Probably illegal but he’ll skate on it. If anyone indicts him, it will be New York.
Actually, if you listen to the whole 1 hour discussion, it is a bit more ambiguous than the little 3 minute snippet suggests. No matter, the merits of the case against Mr. Trump may be debated.
Nevertheless, could the Biden administration pursue a criminal case against Mr. Trump after Mr. Biden in sworn in as President? Theoretically yes, but again the case - when you hear the whole tape is less open and shut. More to the point, it would take all the oxygen out of the new administration's agenda.
Thus it is not likely that the Biden Justice Department would pursue the matter. Already Mr. Biden's tenure as president-elect has been weirdly overshadowed by the current incumbent and given the narrow margins in both House of Congress, the last thing the new administration would want is for the previous President - already something of a glory hound - to be the center of attention.
To make Mr. Trump the spectacle of the first 100 days of a Biden presidency would do the new administration no favors. Indeed, it would be rehashing old fights - this even more problematic given Mr. Biden's stated desire to be a "healer."
So it is time for those who dislike Mr. Trump - and I would add that I am no fan of the current incumbent - to stop banging their spoons on their high chairs. The emotional catharsis that would come from putting Mr. Trump in the dock would quickly be overshadowed by the inability of the Biden team to be overheard above the noise and thus make the case for its' own agenda.
Thus indeed, the Biden team is unlikely to try to attempt it. Moreover, as already noted, the case is not quite the "open and shut" argument that a superficial reading of three minutes of the 1 hour transcript suggests. About the most, given the high profile of the incumbent and the highly divided opinions on him would yield is a hung jury.
Hardly worth the price to the Biden team. What is more, given that in two years the GOP will likely take control of Congress if historical patterns hold, with the Hunter Biden scandal floating out there, the new Biden Administration will not want to do anything to ruffle feathers by pursuing a legal case of at least - contrary to the question's premise - some ambiguity.
In short, time to put the Trump chew toy away and get on with the serious business of governing. In the long run, it will matter more.
He’s on a thin line by abusing his power for political purposes, similar to Nixon. That phone call that was released (we’re on a question about it, if you haven’t noticed) is raising alarms. It sounds very incriminating.
I read the story you cited. Of course, the Huffington Puffington post is not an unbiased reporter of anything. It refers to threats that Trump made but it never says what the threats were. And it refers to "excerpts" of a recording. I could probably take excerpts from many threads on this site and make it look like people are threatening each other.
Something tells me you haven’t listened to it yet. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. He clearly states that his supporters will not be happy. And there’s an election on Tuesday, and if he plays along, he would earn respect that could help him win. He’s strong arming him with threats of Maga supporters.
@ChefPapiChulo its exactly what it sounds like, but you are a victim of media framing. they told you what to hear and then showed you the video. so you heard wrong
Saying the people of Georgia and the United States won’t be happy if he doesn’t do what he says is a threat. I suggest you give the call a listen. But there will be an investigation.
@007kingifrit it most definitely sounds like a threat. He mentions how it’s criminal to know that voter fraud is going on, and to do nothing about it. Despite having no evidence. And what put the cherry on top is telling him to find the votes to help him win. The entire call is being investigated and all you have to do is listen to it yourself and make your own judgment call. I or the media can’t spoon feed you information. Decide for yourself.
1. If I tell you that many of the users of G@G will not be happy when they read this post, is THAT a threat?
2. No evidence? Did you listen to the testimony received by the Georgia Senate?
Listen, you hate Trump and you want to believe that he is evil. Clearly, I am not going to change your opinion. I have not formed an opinion but I always resist the MSM's emphatic urge that we all rush to judgment. I am not a sheep who can be led in that way. There is nothing to be gained by continuing this conversation and I suggest that we both agree to respectfully disagree.
1. Not the same thing. And completely irrelevant. It’s not like he said “if Santa clause hears about this he’s not going to be very happy”. Who he referenced is important. He was using threats of him not being re elected because of this. But that’s just one piece of the whole puzzle. If you listened to the phone call, there are many things said by the president that raise questions.
@007kingifrit I’ve listened to the phone call myself. It’s Trump ranting for an hour, and when he’s faced with responses that he doesn’t like. He reminds the secretary that he’s a Republican. And that election is in a couple days. And that he’ll gain respect if he finds 11000 votes. During the phone call he claims votes are off by hundreds of thousands, which has been thrown out by the courts. And urges the secretary to just give him 11k votes.
@ChefPapiChulo yea that's called an argument, trying to convince someone to do a thing. but its not a threat, infact what you have described here is a positive outcome if they do what you want. its the opposite of a threat
threat is not the right word. you need to be more mature and use non sensational language
@007kingifrit olderandwiser has made it obvious he doesn’t want this discussion to continue under his opinion. I have no intent on continuing a discussion with you where your only claim is “that’s what the media tells you” or “you just don’t like trump”. If you don’t know what the definition of threat is, I suggest you look it up. And then read or watch the phone call.
@ChefPapiChulo well he has no power to make that choice himself, he can click the button to unsubscribe from the comments of this opinion. you're just a coward running away
@ChefPapiChulo that's just what left wing extremists say when they have nothing left to say
you don't want me to educate myself you want to indoctrinate myself. we aren't even having a conversation pertaining to something that could be taught in an education setting you idiot
@chefpapochulo Only wine sipping, civic driving cuckscrubbing beta clowns say “go educate yourself”, it’s funny how you think you’re all that when you say it.
I support a grab for power violent if necessary. Peaceful win for trump would have been nice or even a good candidate but no instead we spend the better part of the last year watching democrats do things half the country disagree with. Defund the police, taking guns, court packing, environmental issues, speech freedoms, and this ducking insane breakdown of the society into race and gender roles... if I wasn’t so damn sure democrats would take my rights and destroy my country I wouldn’t be so insistent on winning... so sure that under democrats my life wouldn’t just not matter but be threatened... under the left lose everything I enjoy about this world...
For me this is a war that is either won or death there is no in between and I will kill to make it happen... because you forced me to.
Why because you disagree? Why don’t you try watching the conservative news sometime and understand what’s happening to my people.
I’ve heard the same arguments about changing how the elections work, controlling guns, promoting children gender fluidity, etc over and over again and they go so far against what I believe demanding I follow your way is basically and act of war...
Don’t get mad just because these are my points I’ll kill over. Not like it’s not leftist democrats like antifa burning down the country and democrats seeing them free without consequences. Your people would take my job and leave me with $1200/year to live on. No. I won’t allow it. Idc if half this country does I come before your childish desires.
See completely unworthy of words. Nothing leaves your mouth but insults. This is why ide be okay watching you die for my cause. Your not even human. I’m done.
Pretty sure the democrats and republican puppet politicians are to blame Too, especially during covid.
Not just the president...
Democrats were not accepting help or aid from Trump or his administration, they didn’t want his help for egoistical reasons, which in turn killed hundreds of thousands of people, which THEY told to stay in nursing homes, stay in school and stay at work, because the only thing that mattered during the first stages of covid was the “Impeachment” that failed...
Not to mention them allowing millions of people to riot In the streets of 8 states causing destruction.
So please stop acting like egoistical clowns and wake up, either side is to be blamed, all of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Trump or Biden do not physically care about you personally, so why are you playing the “My daddy is better” game?
Like shut up already, it’s like grown adults are back in high school...
Asking russia to interfere in the US election. Asking China and Australia to interfere in the US election. Blackmailing Ukraine to try and get them to interfere in the US election. Siding with Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence agencies. Not confronting putin after he put bounties on American soldiers. Etc etc.
Ladies don't get your panties wet over politics. They don't give a fuck about us. We have to overide the establishment ain't that are true goal. Democrat or Republican its a distraction from the real goal.
Politics is a big interest to me, so he’s I’ll discuss it if I wish to do so. Also don’t talk to me about “our true goal”, you don’t know what I want, what I’m after or anything of the sort.
@Agape93 what is your goal? I'm tired of people telling me "you don't know blah bla blah". Of course I don't! I ain't no mind reader! I believe a lot of Americans want a brighter future for the next generation. If you don't agree to that then you're no better than trump or biden. Now what is your goal?
@JoanG "Biden admitted to the world that he black mailed Ukraine, and no one cares. Do you care? I doubt it." Do you know why nobody cared? It was because it was in the interests of justice, democracy, and the rule of law. (The person he got fired was notoriously corrupt.)
To be left alone, to not have my reproductive rights constantly attacked by half the country and to, ultimately, watch the end of this fucked up world of ours.
You get your source off the huffington post? It must be exhausting to hate one man and dedicate such a delusional effort towards it. You liberals are so toxic. Honestly sick of hearing and seeing you guys talk nonsense. I’m so sick of it. A bunch of emotionally immature children is what you guys act like. You’re going to post that picture and expect people to take you seriously? 45+? Why don’t you put your political focus on fiscal policy, or concern yourself with things that actually matter in government? Trump isn’t my favorite president, but holy shit you guys just take it to another level. It truly seems exhausting.
Way to attack the messenger! A sitting president refusing to accept their loss in an election is something that actually matters in government. Rather a lot, in fact. Especially if they're still trying to disrupt the process two months after they lost, and two weeks before they have to be out. It also matters that large numbers of lawmakers are cynically supporting his anti-democratic efforts.
Well, no matter what the democrats want, you can't federally charge a man who got 74 million votes. You have to accept there is something fundamentally wrong with your society.
As for state charges, that is a totally different thing. States have a right to go after him for state crimes.
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states have prisons too-he could conceivably be facing charges in Federal Court and both NY and GA State Courts. All three entities operate prisons. Federal trial would "trump" state charges and go first. I do not know the mechanics of which State Court would get to try him next-assuming Guilty verdicts in all 3 he would serve Federal first. Im not sure which state would then get to incarcerate him and which state have to wait until the sentences for the first 2 were served. Odds are he would die in Federal Prison as he is morbidly obese
Again, it is highly unlikely the Federal government will do anything to Trump. In a Federal election, he got 74 million votes. So the public has clearly said despite the laws he broke, they do not care.
States are different because states only have to pay attention to the vote in their state. If New York goes after him, well we know that the clear majority of New York's citizens voted against him.
No because he didn't threatened or bribe anyone he just asked them to find the votes. I don't really like Trump and i think he needs to move on and just accept defeat but the law doesn't have shit on him and they are just trying to bully him as par usual down to there personal dislike for him.
So not trying to justify the asshole by any means. I wish I could say that I'm surprised, but to be honest he's already done so much worse than just this latest stunt. I would love for him to go into prison for all the crimes he's committed both in and out of office. Unfortunately if you try to measure his latest stunt against everything else that he's already pulled and weigh the outcomes it's doubtful he's going to get much more than a slap on the wrist, and that's if he even gets that.
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I would just like to point out that, Biden had semi-truck fulls of ballots voting for him being moved from state to state, and Trump has a legal right to ask for a ballot recount. If anything the entire election should be thrown out and redone and everyone should be required to do it in person.
Oh and another note you may take into consideration when reading the trash the media is putting out about Trump, China has been influencing it because China owns it and wants to be able to sell stuff made by slaves. The United States has serious laws about how the US isn't allowed to do business with anyone that participates in slavery. A Vote for Biden is a Vote for Slavery
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Where did you hallucinate these semi trucks? You Trumpholes are priceless!!! a "Massive" vote fraud effort is alleged but you cannot produce a scintilla of proof, Completely delusional. You guys just can't handle the fact that you are losers and the nation has rejected Trump, fascism and you!
First of all, I'm not saying Trump is God! Second I am saying that you should take your head out of your derriere and actually look at what he did while he was in office, he may not be a socialist but he was good for our economy, and no just to be clear I don't condone what the super supporters did in DC. I am however saying that you need to look at the facts because the dead don't normally vote! Now, certain people that were counting the votes stopped at midnight and sent the reporters home, after that nobody can account for what was done. and yes a bloody SEMI.
Trump has done MANY things to deserve prison. After all that crap with Ukraine, he shouldn’t even be in the White House right now, but somehow he’s always gets away. He’ll probably get out of THIS one too. Another ‘perfect’ phone call.
When Biden gets in office you are all going to be bored as f*ck. In fact I think you will ironically miss Trump more than conservatives will. You won’t have someone to blame your shitty life on.
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People still like him and no matter what we say they will always follow him and support him for US President... If Trump kept his priorities straight and played by a decent platform maybe he would of made a good US President... I'm not here to throw darts at him but I do believe they should do a criminal check on him because I feel he is the most dangerous US President?
Did you listen to the full call or just cut down version the media put out of context and even out of order? Doubtful you listened to the full version or you wouldn't be posting this.
Or maybe you would because "go team blue at all costs, even my dignity"?
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LOL Lets see how dignified Trump looks while he pulls a train!
He should have been in prison a long time ago. I hope the State of Georgia presses charges against him after he's forcibly removed from the White House. I bet there are Secret Service agents licking their chops for the chance to cuff that douche bag.
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Lol no. They said the same dumb shit about the Ukraine call. If you're determined for his words to be bad, then of course you're going to hear them as bad -- specifically as a mob moss making threats. Strange how people don't allow him to be just regular right or wrong; apparently he can only be absolutely wrong and Hilter reborn, and if it isn't then people's brains' melt.
You really think a man in trumps position does stuff randomly? Because if you think that then you're missing about 110% of the picture. Trump is not as stupid as he claims and he's surrounded by advisors and strategists and planers. Every breath he takes is calculated to have the impact he wants. He's not just gonna say or do something that will land him in prison it's never so simple
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LOL If Hillary and Biden isn't in prison, then Trump has nothing to worry about.
Hillary and Biden aren't in jail because there's not enough evidence to put them behind bars, unless the jury is comprised solely of Trump loving Republicans.
@Hypnos0929 everyone knows what they did tho. of course the evidence for Hillaries crimes are gone. they destroyed the evidence on 9.11 under the guise of a terrorist attack, that conveniently not only destroyed the New Yorker landmark but also wtc7 (which wasn't even hit by anything) and parts of the pentagon where incriminating evidence would have been found previous to the attacks.
@Hypnos0929 i was speaking about clinton, not biden. biden did his crimes in the ukraine. corruption is rampant there and his son is still involved in the business, which conveniently was completely swept under the rug in the media during the campaign. those people are not dumb. they have learned how to remove evidence and tread very confidently in legal grey areas.
I doubt he will end up in prison because of the political backlash and rioting that would ensue. That said he certainly deserves to be arrested for several crimes by this point.
Oh please, you sound like an idiot CNN talking head. It was the precious President Oblowme that committed treason with his payments to enemy nations, reductions in our military, and a dozen other anti-American acts. Trump is the best POTUS we've had in living memory for the simple reason that he does things.
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