Will Trump finally go to jail?

[Anonymous]

It should be a rhetorical question, but unfortunately, it isn't. Trump deserves to go to jail. If he doesn't, it will basically prove that any president – whatever the party he/she belongs to – can just do whatever the fuck he/she wants, including inciting and supporting a coup, without fearing any consequences.

More importantly, it will prove that partisan politics and hatred against democrats prevail over dispassionate, objective justice. The United States will truly become a joke, making no pretense of being a fair democracy.

Want to prove that Trump is innocent? Go ahead. Beat the justice at its own game. Gather solid, tangible evidence and make your case bulletproof. Prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he is innocent. If you can't do that... i'm so sorry, but hearsay, conspiracy theories; and your feelings about Cheeto Mussolini aren't admissible as evidence in a court of law.

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Update with some rules:

1. You don't know (or pretend not to know) which laws Trump broke and how? Research it.

2. You think democrats have commited crimes and should be in jail? Great! Gather credible proof and prove it before a court of law. It's a separate issue.

3. You think democrats have nothing and are using justice as a weapon for political revenge? Fine. Prove it beyond doubt. Prove that they are operating beyond the boundaries of the law, without cause.

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* Less trumptards, more quality opinions, please.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t know. First off, I don’t think this raid was “the big one”, as it doesn’t seem to be related to Jan 6th/election shenanigans. My understanding is that they’ve been trying to get back documents (some supposedly HIGHLY classified) that Trump shouldn’t have taken with him from the White House, there have been negotiations involving Trump’s legal team, SOME documents have been turned over, but not all. And apparently this was enough to justify probably cause for a search warrant. The crime that could possibly be alleged over this is a misdemeanor, so there would likely be little to no jail time if convicted, however I believe he would be disqualified from holding public office after that. That said, who knows what was discovered, but if they’re just out for the documents, it would seem they’ve recovered some stuff. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I’m not expecting Trump to be locked up over it. It would appear the heat is starting to turn up on Trump in general, though, so who knows how this all shakes out, or what else will come up.

[Asker]

That's the only pertinent, sensible comment I've read so far. You get MHG.

[H8INCHES]

The heat is being turned up because the mid terms are coming in 3 months. They want to turn people away from Trump and Trump candidates for Congress. This is a political game, NOT JUSTICE.

[Asker]

@H8INCHES Why would they need to turn people away from trump? Isn't he the first president, since George H. W. Bush, not to win a second, consecutive mandate? Even Fox News is in the process of dumping him in favor of DeSantis. Hell, trump didn't even win the popular vote back in 2016 😄

[Asker]

@H8INCHES And he lost in 2020... to Biden. The most underwhelming presidential candidate ever! 😄

[LaFerrari]

He didn’t lose because Biden was good, he lost because every liberal hated him… and the only other option was Biden… you’re not to smart are you?

[Asker]

@LaFerrari That's exactly what was implied, Einstein.

[exitseven]

The last time I checked it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt. The democrats have provided second hand testimony, video clips taken out of context and manufactured evidence that would never hold up in a real court of law. They have tried to have him arrested for 6 years and if there was anything to find they would have foiund it by now, God knoew they spent enough time and money to investigate him.

He will run for president in 2024 and have the biggest political comeback in history. This time he will have a House and Senate packed with MAGA Republicans and will get even more done to help America than he did the first time around.

[StevieNix]

He has to be trolling to be this stupid.

[Asker]

@StevieNix I was about to say the same about @exitseven 😄

[exitseven]

hahahaha

[StevieNix]

I wasn't talking about seven

[Asker]

@StevieNix Goddamn... it doesn't take much to confuse the hell out of you, does it?

[StevieNix]

I'm not confused. But I think you are.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[sage2021]

Anonymous - chicken 🐔
Who do you think you are anyway. You have found him guilty of what? You don't even know! I hate to tell ya, but you aren't this case!!

[Asker]

... mmm-k?

[Asker]

@ElementoP I am. I really am.

[Anonymous]

to answer your question, no he won't. You're yelling at everyone to prove everything bad that Democraps have done and haven't been arrested for, yet you don't even know what alleged crime Trump is being investigated for and you're already jizzing your pants to call him guilty. 🤣 Don't THEY have to prove he did some kinda crime eventually? Let's see if and when there is a crime announced by someone other than little Chucky Schumer or Nancy, insider trading is my middle name, Pelosi before you go getting too excited there sonny.

[Asker]

Alright, I'll try really hard to relax.

[Slingblade1126]

You have to prove a fucking crime was committed before someone goes to jail. You dumb fucks can suck Don lemon's and Rachel Madcow's dicks all you want but all they do is make you look foolish! They preach about protecting democracy, while cheering absolute bullshit like what occurred last night. I hate Trump but I hate the left's strong arm tactics even more. They are embarrassing but will continue because the media and brain dead fools like you allow it. They always do this shit under the premise it won't happen to them, then when it does, they cry like the bitches they are.

[Slingblade1126]

You are a special kind of stupid. You just proved that you don't care about "proof" of crimes to jail Trump. However, you afford the left the luxury of innocent until proven guilty. Fuck off you delusional twat...

[StevieNix]

That made me laugh. This idiot has no clue that what the FBI did, is bad for all of us. They are blinded by their hatred for Trump. They must want a Nazi Germany lifestyle in America.

[Asker]

Relax, idiot. How in the hell does proving that I'm an hypocritical asshole exonerate trump?

[Slingblade1126]

Stop trying to act intelligent, it makes you look retarded. Trump doesn't need to be exonerated. Do you even know how the constitution works? Have you been that fucking brainwashed by the media and left?

[Asker]

I'm not trying to act intelligent. You're responsible for how you perceive my comment. It's not my fault if you're pissed because I sound smart.

[Slingblade1126]

Well, I guess you are admitting you're dumb. I can't argue with you.

[Asker]

Yes.

[Asker]

@StevieNix
In nazi germany:
*knock knock*
- Are you Donald Trump?
- Yes?
*shoots him in the head and walks away casually*

Aren't you supposed to be rocket scientist smart?

[Curmudgeon]

"Want to prove that Trump is innocent? Go ahead. Beat the justice at its own game. Gather solid, tangible evidence and make your case bulletproof. Prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he is innocent."

No Demunist Commiecrat, it is up to YOU to prove anything on him, as you are the prosecution. You haven't so far, and worse still, you have been caught actually fabricating events, which makes your other claims even less credible. I know you want your Stalinist show trials or Maoist mob struggle sessions, but that's not how it works in the USA, at least not yet.

[Asker]

There is gathering of evidence, interrogation of a number of key witnesses, and representatives for both parties sitting on the committee. It's been a few months now and no accusations have been made yet. Where's your stalinist show trial, exactly?

[Curmudgeon]

It's going on right now. Trump and his lawyers have yet to actually *receive* the warrant that all your media puppets are now insisting in unison that they produce right now. Your January 6 dog and pony show came to a halt after many months of nothing, and now you are flailing for something else. Like the proverbial monkeys flinging poo at targets, you keep wanting something to stick, but nothing yet has.

[Asker]

Do you think it would really matter, in a stalinist show trial, that they had nothing of substance on the accused? Do you think they'd be flailing all that much to invent –let alone actually find– something solid to present as evidence?

But you're right, there's been something close to the famed stalinist show trials, here in the US, in recent years. Things like; when dishonest rats come up with completely dismissable bullshit like "Obama wasn't born in the US" or "Hillary is running a pedophile ring from a pizzeria in Washington" in the hope that this will somehow lead to a removal from office or criminal accusations.

[Curmudgeon]

"But you're right, there's been something close to the famed stalinist show trials, here in the US, in recent years. Things like; when dishonest rats come up with completely dismissable bullshit like "Obama wasn't born in the US" or "Hillary is running a pedophile ring from a pizzeria in Washington" in the hope that this will somehow lead to a removal from office or criminal accusations."

None of which ever led to congressional hearings for months on end. Stop embarrassing yourself trying to equate those events.

[Asker]

And why? Because, contrary to trump's case, it was actually, completely... baseless.

Plus, there were shots fired at the pizzeria and an attempted arson.

[monorprise]

Countries that jail their former leaders for things they did in office tend not be stable for the simple reason that their current leaders have little reason to peacefully give up power to their opposition after ugly elections.

There is a reason even when Presidents are actually convicted of crimes in impeachment the Constitution allows no further punishment than removal from office.

Whether you believe Donald Trump committed any crime (half the country sees no evidence of it) ultimately is inconsequential compared to what will happen if you start "punishing" your political opposition for what they do in office.

[Asker]

OF COURSE, there is overwhelming evidence that democrats are just trying to punish "political opposition"... They may hate trump, and it may cloud their judgment, but evidence is also piling up at the same time that he's a bona fide, shady pile of dog shit.

[monorprise]

Ultimately what Donald Trump is, did or didn't do Is inconsequential to what will happen to any country that goes down this road.

Nobody will care what Trump did or didn't do when a future president decides he can't afford to step down for fear of what the opposition will do to him if he does.

[NamerOfStars]

So... no specified crime, a total lack of evidence supporting guilt, and insisting that the burden of proof be placed on the accused. And you claim it's REPUBLICANS who're unreasonable and opposing law and justice.

Guilt by accusation went out with witch trials, bucko. Granted, you've got the most anti-due process politician America's produced since McCarthy sitting in the Oval Office, but the law is still the law.

You probably still don't understand why so many moderates are refusing to vote Democrat, do you?

[DaveJord]

Nope its all smoke an mirrors he will not go to jail he I will appeal and the supreme court that he stacked will get it dismissed. Its a for publicity after the elections are over you will hear nothing about it until the next election cycle comes back around.

[Lliam]

How is anyone supposed to prove anything to you without all the evidence? Even you said that you have no proof to support your opinion.

I doubt if he will be convicted of anything. I think this is a witch hunt. But if he IS convicted, it will prove that we now live in a banana republic.

by the way, I'm not a Trump fan but he was better than Obama who I call Dubya II, both of whom were nothing but corrupt puppets.

[Asker]

Where exactly have you hallucinated that I said I had no proof to support my opinion?

[Anonymous]

If he ends up in prison, for the sake of equality and inclusivity, any who have ever stated they want equality and inclusivity, and have stated they think the justice system is corrupt, will have to include this as a true act of corruption.

If he goes free, and the people who claim they want equality and inclusivity calls letting him not go to prison is an act of corruption, will have to include Derek Chauvin's verdict as a verdict of corruption, and anyone who has ever been happy for Chauvin's verdict as someone who was happy for an act of corruption, for the sake of equality and inclusivity. Obviously we don't want to support corruption, right? Unless of course its so unproblematic that it should not in any way be problematic to give a bit of support to Trump supporters labled corrupt by sjws.

[bean2k21]

Jesus died 2000 years ago and people still hate on him. So is it any wonder people hate on Trump? The man is a god.

[Asker]

Just like Kim Il-Sung.

[Avicenna]

It's disgraceful that you're cheerleading for his political opponents going after him and trying to make him a political prisoner, especially when prominent Democrats who have actually committed crimes are not even investigated properly, much less prosecuted.

[Roseboy]

hopefully

anyway about your use of the term rhetorical question

see i dont see how your question could ever be used to make somebody think or at least not in the way a rhetorical question is meant to
did you by any chance buy into the misconception that a rhetorical question is a question that isn't answered because that's wrong

[monorprise]

You know what happens to countries that "punish" their former leaders?
They tend to end up in dictatorships as their current leaders are far more reluctant to leave office peacefully for fear of what might happen to them in the hands of their opposition after winning a ugly election.

You might hate Donald Trump, but if you don't guarantee the safety of all former presidents your going to stop having future presidents.

All a president has to do to secure his own hold on power is appoint men in the enormous standing Federal army loyal to him.

[Asker]

@monorprise Everyone knows that a far-right dictatorship is waaaaay better than a far-left one. Or is that exactly the same? Let's give trump all the power he needs in order to crush his enemies!

[Asker]

It should be a question to which I already know the answer. Unfortunately, I do not know the answer. That's why it's an actual question, unfortunately. However, I wish that I knew the answer and that my question would, consenquently, constitute a way to state the obvious. That is the very definition of what a rhetorical question actually is, 15 year-old boy.

[Roseboy]

actually asker the purpose of a rhetorical question is to make the audience think
you may or may not know the answer already
sometimes you can follow it with the answer to the question
although on further consideration all of this stuff is made up and we can use them how we want

but you know i dont really expect the usa to turn into a militant dictatorship
if it does that would be very funny
very terrible but very funny

[Asker]

Cambridge dictionary's definition of a rhetorical question: "a question, asked in order to make a statement, that does not expect an answer:"
"Why do these things always happen to me?" is a rhetorical question."

"Will you ever learn what a rhetorical question is?" Is another example. Because, of course, it does not mean that I actually want to know if you will indeed learn what a rhetorical question is. Its obvious purpose here is to act as a sign of exasperation.

"Will Trump finally just go to jail?" Would perhaps have been a "clearer" rhetorical question... And that was the sentiment I would have like to convey, when I was asking. I would have liked to be able to ask that question in a rhetorical way; but unfortunately, I couldn't because I do not know if Trump will actually go to jail.

That sad realization is the whole story behind my use of the term.

[Roseboy]

thank you
that would have been a clearer rhetorical question

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Singing in Trump's voice and accent:
FAKE NEWS, YOU REALLY GOT ME STARTED
FAKE NEWS, THEY REALLY GOT RETARDED

FAKE NEWS, YOU REALLY GOT MY HOPES ON

FAKE NEWS, THEY REALLY GOT IT GOIN' ON
I AM NOT GOING TO JAIL

BIDEN IS GOING TO HELL

[Asker]

Wouldn't it have been more pertinent to tell us to which tune trump is singing this masterpiece of lyrical composition?

[Snakeyes7]

If they have proven that he did anything to warrant that. So far its just allegations which is why the FBI raid is such a disgusting thing to hear. I don't care who they do it to, invading homes on allegations alone is wrong and never should be entertained.

[Twalli]

The FBI can't do it without a warrant, which they had. Blame the judge who signed that warrant if you have an issue with it.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli The warrant was signed on an allegation alone and the FBI did it knowing it was against the constitution. Both should be held accountable.

[Twalli]

The warrant was signed based I. The fact that there were allegations that couldn't be proven without information that they couldn't get without searching his residence. It's why they needed the warrant.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli If the evidence cannot be gained without violating constitutional rights then it never should have been entertained.

[Twalli]

It's not. A warrant signed by a judge eff makes it legal

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli It wasn't legal, that judge sucks at their job. I have also been hearing that it was the same judge that let Epstien get away with a lot of what he did but I'm not going to assume that's true.

[Snakeyes7]

Because it's just hearsay

[Twalli]

It was legal because a judge signed off on it. We can argue whether or not he should have, but since he did what the FBI did was legal.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli The judge signed off on something he knew wasn't legal. It was his job to base his actions as a judge off of the constitution, he failed.
The members of the FBI who conducted the raid knew it wasn't legal because they should have known the Bill of Rights would forbid such an action. That was their job and they failed.

[Twalli]

They had legal access to enter and gather evidence. There isn't any law that prevents law enforcement from entering a private residence to gather evidence. They need a judge to see why they are seeking to do it and decide that it is necessary for the process of pursuing justice. Again, you can disagree with the judge's decision, but everything the FBI did was legal.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli If the judge deemed an allegation to be probable cause then both the FBI and the judge were not operating legally. It was in violation of due process.

[Twalli]

The FBI went through the legal and official channels. Maybe it was nefarious in intent, but it was not in legal terms. Honestly the FBI did NOTHING wrong, it was all legal and therefore not wrong. The judge may have singed a warrant when they shouldn't have, but that's the judge's issue not the FBI's. Also just so you know, it's not like they shopped around for a judge who would sign the warrant, the judge they found was the one that signed it. It wasn't like several denied signing it so they went looking for other ones.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli "It was all legal and therefore not wrong"? Dude, slavery was legal prior to the Civil War and rece segregation was legal prior to the Civil Rights Act. Were those just because they were legal? No.

Just because something us or was legal doesn't make it right.

[Snakeyes7]

*is legal

[Twalli]

And now we know what was in there makes the intent inconsequential. At least in my moral philosophy which is the only one that really makes sense.

[H8INCHES]

You have to break the law to go to jail... unless you are a Democrat politician. Then you can do anything and get away with it. Fraud, murder, espionage, etc. And that's just Hillary. Pelosi, Biden, Obama etc etc have alll committed real crimes.
Trump has been accused of made up crimes. That's why he's never been convicted.

[Asker]

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that Roger Stone's smear campaign against the Clintons is worthy of consideration in a court of law. All solid, researchable facts. Problem is... he doesn't even believe his own lies.

[H8INCHES]

... and his name isn't Trump

[Asker]

Alright, I'm going to walk you through it. "Fraud, murder, espionage" (about Hillary). That's pretty much all Roger Stone's delirium, featured in his incredibly well-researched book in which he accuses the Clintons of made up crimes. That kind of scumbag-esque, fraudulent tactic has been fully embraced by republicans ever since the rise of trump. Are you good, up to this point?

All of the other crimes you've mentionned are –until proven otherwise in a court of law– the same sort of made up bullshit broadcasted by idiots like Roger Stone and Trump (Alex Jones, Breitbart, Infowars, etc.), who will gladly stoop to the lowest levels to gain and do basically anything to get a few votes. No ethics and a big "fuck you" to politics as an informed, intelligent discussion.

Now, you claimed that trump is accused, by democrats, of made up crimes. I pointed out –using Roger Stone's smear campaign against the Clintons as an example– that accusations of made up crimes have been central for years within the republicans' tricky dick-type political strategy.

So... The difference here is that trump risks being accused of actual crimes: not outlandish, spectacular and ghoulish crimes that are put forth by dishonest, opportunistic rats, without even a shred of evidence.

[H8INCHES]

You talked a lot just to prove yourself wrong. Good job coward anon!!

[Asker]

Trying to force a 'victory' where there is none: your master taught you well. It's pretty clear that reading more than one sentence puts you at risk of having a seizure. I don't blame you.

[H8INCHES]

Pathetic liberals... why don't you just move to China where your like minded people live.

[H8INCHES]

America is not the place for people like you. And Trump is nobody's master. He's an Amaerican who understands what this country is supposed to be. And that's not China, like you idiots want it to be.

[Asker]

Hey... You tried. That's what's important.

[H8INCHES]

Asshole condescending liberal... you all are soooo intelligent. How could anyone every doubt your words. It doesn't matter if you lie or are just a parrot for your leaders and media. The important thing is that you are more educated than other people. Therefore, you are always right. How could anyone ever question you. Without us veterans and real Americans, you'd already be speaking Chinese and walking the communist breadlines.

[Asker]

Why? Did we recently win a war against China? Have the liberal media been hiding it as well?

And yes, of course liberals are always wrong: they're bad people; condescending assholes and horrible subhumans who all hate the troops and the vets. 2 + green = $Texas

[Anonymous]

All the demorats are trying to do is to get him out of the way before the next election. I mean you going to believe the shit the go’t tells us? All the stuff they denied knowing about only to say they actually knew about things like UFO’s. Money talks loud. While I don’t support Trump or Biden, especially Biden I think knthis is just a witch hunt.

[LaFerrari]

Just a question, why go anonymous? You're trying to prove a point but taking your name away just discredits you as a troll. If you stand by something, do it with honor... don't hide. Like bill clinton...

[Asker]

Nah.

[LaFerrari]

That’s all you had?

[Asker]

Yup. Deal with it.

[BeMuse]

Good luck with that theory... hahahaha The fun is just about to begin.

[BeMuse]

You don't even know how our courts work China... You should really learn that the legal burden of proof required to affirm a conviction in a criminal case lies with the prosecution. The presumption of innocence is a legal principle that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty. You're shits all retarded.

[Asker]

YOUR. "You're" means "You are".

[BeMuse]

What are you trying out for the role of a spell checker? You know there's software for that already...

[Asker]

That's a really good burn!

[BeMuse]

It's not a burn, just an observation. You spin up a fantasies of how you're finally going to get Trump without understanding the law. Then when your position crumbles you run right back to "your racist" position because you've lost. It exudes weakness.

[BeMuse]

You spend all your time on...

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

but never seem to read...

2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.

Keep retreating with your tail between your legs.

[BeMuse]

Ridicule doesn’t work on me. I'm not a soft bitch like you. I grew up in the 80s and 90s.

[Asker]

Yes to all of that, probably...

[Twalli]

I agree he should, but I don't know if he will. He needs to be charged in court and that hasn't happened yet.

[OfDeath]

The U. S has never been a fair democracy. Of course he is not going to prison.

[LaFerrari]

People that believe modern presidents go to some state prison or federal prison filled with normal criminals is quite laughable, he’s either get house arrest like every other high valued politician or at some camp resort..

[abc3643]

God, I hope so.

It's helping keep me alive at this point.