Why is America so Russiaphobic?

[Gespenster_division]

[Dragonpurple]

I have never been Russiaphobic, in fact... I think the USA and Russia have a lot in common and could end up being great friends, if they so wanted to.

With the exception of Alaska we aren't even that close to each other either and that part of Russia isn't really heavily populated.

The only issue I've ever had with them was when they invaded the Ukraine and stole Crimea and the only reason I had an issue with that is because of the treaty the USA, Russia and the UK signed in order for the Ukraine to give up their nukes. Had that treaty not existed, I wouldn't have cared one bit... but hey so what if treaties the USA agrees to don't have any backing behind them anymore, just means whoever can ignore all treaties going forward, they mean nothing. The USA isn't trustworthy to live up to its treaties, so big deal. The rest of the world knew that after that incident that any treaty the US signs is worthless... same for Russia and the UK. All treaties from those countries are worthless.

Basically it means that treaty was a fake out, oh you're territory will remain intact... few decades later, ha... fooled you.

However it did seem like the Democrats had an obsession with Russia starting in 2016 or so... at least that has died off now for a bit.

Far as I'm concerned the US should not worry about what the rest of the world is doing and focus on our own massive internal issues. Stop being the worlds policeman and let people decide if they want Democracy themselves.

Even countries that are a threat, that attack the US... should only be invaded enough to cause chaos, remove the leadership that cause the problem and leave... let the people pick up the pieces. That is what should of happened with Afghanistan after 911, just go in kill em all and abandon them. No need to stick around, let them devolve into chaos, starvation and back into dictatorship.

Then again if the USA would stop intervening, then other countries wouldn't feel the need to attack the US.

[Gespenster_division]

The US agreed after the sovu6union was dissolved to spheres of influence in the former Warsaw pact countries but instead has surrounded Russia with NATO bases. Also the US has stirred political unrest in Russian Allied countries and has pursued a policy of perpetual regime change to install US friendly governments globally.

[Dragonpurple]

My point exactly, should stay out of their business... stop trying to install governments, if people want to be our friends let them but don't force it. I'm basically for isolationism, manufacture and produce what we need at home, stop importing and let the rest of the world handle their own affairs.

[Xitomyth]

We're not, but the cold war left hefty scars for us... However, it's mostly the left and Democrats, they used to have a good thing going with Putin, but they needed to get him into a compromising position so that they could control him or at least ensure his cooperation. They tried everything, even invited him to certain... events but he never showed, likely due to his past as KGB operative who knows the tricks politicians and governments play. I'm on a Russian dating site, I have no issues with the Russian people, just their leaders, like I do with every country including the US.

[DaisyM23]

I think it just stems from the whole cold war and red scare thing that can be dated back to early 1900’s. Especially America government and mccarthyism in the 60s and the whole soviet union cold war, I think americans have just learnt from the past and keep their issues and don’t learn. Americans are very anti a lot of things

[CrazyGirl2]

Okay, FIRST, that bullshit about Syria… Syria is engaged in a CIVIL WAR, the United States did NOT do that to Syria, so clearly you just hate the US. Therefore, there is little point in answering your question in earnest!

[Gespenster_division]

The US has a history of starting civil wars and perpetual regime change.

[Abtraction]

lol, Germany has such a good track record...

[Gespenster_division]

@Abtraction compared to the US sure does

[Abtraction]

not a chance, Germany has probably the biggest stain other than China.

[CrazyGirl2]

Yes, sadly that’s true, but then again so does Russia, as well as the former Soviet Union before that. No nation has completely clean hands. Being critical of the US while giving Russia (and the former Soviet Union) a slide, is intellectually dishonest at best! In the last 100 years what is now Russia is responsible for the deaths of between 60 million and 100 million of its OWN citizens (“Black Book of Communism”, 1997 Stéphane Courtois) (Steven Rosenfield wrote in “Red Holocaust” that communism’s internal contradictions “caused 60 million people, all non-combatants, to be killed and perhaps tens if millions more). Russia has meddled in the internal politics of at least 27 countries since just 2004. These meddlings include interference that ranges from cyberattacks, to disinformation campaigns. With targets ranging from former Soviet republics allied with the west to Western Europe. More recently affected are Canada and the United States. The evidence for Russian interference was compiled by the German Marshall Fund, a non-profit that fosters closer bonds between the US and Europe. As for blaming the US for the tragic situation in Syria, The Syrian civil war began on March 15, 2011 with the Arab Spring. Protests erupted after which there was a massive crackdown by the Syrian military. What began as protests against Al-Assad’s regime quickly escalated into a full-scale war.

[CrazyGirl2]

Woah, woah, woah! Are you seriously saying that Germany the starter of TWO world wars, has a better track record than the United States? The accepted number of civilians killed by the ELECTED German government’s policies between 1938 and 1945 is TWENTY THREE MILLION! I spelled it out because I can’t capitalize numerals!

[Gespenster_division]

The US has bombed more civilians than any nation in history. The US has continually been at war since 1941. The US currently employs mercenaries to fight its wars backed by drones or proxy countries. Often the US has two neighbours fight each other so it can supply weapons to both sides.
Don't forget the US killed 6 million native Americans and put them into concentration camps. Killed at least 1 million Vietnamese and agent orange still posions millions more with birth defects. They supported the kyhmer rouge. Cause civil wars in the middle east. Invaded two sovereign nations in the last 20 years. Have armed international terrorists. Supported fascist regimes. On and on. Why in the obama era things were so bad that Democrat & military vetrean Tulsi Gabbard introduced the stop arming terrorist bill after the obama administration gave weapons to isis. The obama administration also executed two US Citzens without trial. The US is currently waging a reign of terror in 30 countries that they are not at war with.

[CrazyGirl2]

Wow! I never thought about it that way. So, what you’re saying is that despite the awful things the US has done… The US has STILL killed less people that Germany? Now that’s pretty eye opening! So I promise to do everything in my power to get my friend Zoe to get rid of that fucking NAZI-mobile she’s been driving around since Chanukah!!! I already refuse to take ANY medication made by Bayer, because of ALL of the Jews THEY killed doing medical experimentation! Forget about all the ways the killed them to guage what was the most painful way to die, and could the find anything MORE painful, they did shit like injecting blue dye in their veins to see if they could change the eye color! But I just didn’t realize that Germany killed more people in 7 years than the us killed in its entire history (if you are going back to Native Americans) When you are talking to a Jewish girl, perhaps don’t defend NAZI Germany, and shit on the country that liberated the camps! Thanks 🙏

[lonestar_01]

The U. S. is continuing the war in Syria because they control a $90 billion oil pipe and are pumping Syrian oil and selling it off as their own. They support the regime change in Syria, just like they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s that later became the Taliban. They need the war to continue in favour of the rebels so they can keep control of that oil they are practically stealing

[Gespenster_division]

It's a shame nobody liberated America's concentration camps, maybe as a Jewish girl you can explain why something that happened 80 years b4 you were born is so much worse than something that happened 130 years ago to native Americans. The US government has killed about 30 million since ww2 ended and that's not Including all the human experiments they ran. There's also the refugee crisis the US created.

[CrazyGirl2]

@lonestar_01 That’s a REALLY good reason to care about whether the US is oil independent! Before the current administration took power, the US was completely oil independent, in fact we were a net exporter of oil… now we need oil again! And the prior administration tried to withdraw the last few troops, from Syria and the Dems lost their shit! “Oh, we’re abandoning the Kurds! We have to do something to protect the Kurds!” My mom was in the Middle East as a surgeon for the US Army. Believe me, I don’t want our troops anywhere that is not a direct threat to US National strategic interests!

[CrazyGirl2]

Why is something that happened 80 years before I was born important to me… a Jewish girl? REALLY? Just, fucking WOW 😯

[Gespenster_division]

@lonestar_01 agreed. All for wallstreet bankers like the The Goldmans, the Sachses
the Lehmans, the Kuhns and the Loebs, The Lazards, The Rothschilds, The Warburgs The Sterns The Wendels , The Weinbergs, Bloombergs, Zuckerbergs, Adelsons etc.

[Gespenster_division]

Yes why is what maybe someone of your faith may have experienced 80 years ago more important than what native Americans experienced 130 years ago at the hands of your people or say what Christians suffered at the hands of Jews 2000 years ago or better yet what America & Israel are doing to millions of Muslims of Arab and African descent? Hard to play the victim cars when you are the one actively victimising millions.

[FortheHonorofDragons]

Wow, I am sorry, but CrazyGirl2 is absolutely CORRECT here.
1. When you are counting up deaths you are being VERY selective with how you do it...
For example, with your number of "6 million natives killed by the US government".. on the basis of what research?
For example, The United States Census Bureau in 1894 put up their numbers for the amount of Natives and Whites killed in wars from 1789-1891
and came up with 8,500 Natives and 5,000 Whites killed in "Individual Conflicts"
and 19,000 Whites, and 30,000 to 45,000 Natives killed in Wars
EVEN if we account for forced removal deaths... . You will would be lucky to reach even 100,000 from direct US Involvement?
BUT OF COURSE you are likely to count deaths associated with Indirect US involvement... am I right?
Yet, when speaking about the Soviet Related War crimes... We are speaking about VERY DIRECT Soviet Government involvement?
Shall we also include all the "indirect" estimates? as everyone always seems to do with American related conflicts?

LETS also look at how we count up wars deaths
The Nazis are at fault for 6 million Jews right?
but the USA must be at fault for ALL deaths in the Korean War, or Vietnam War, or Iraq War.. etc... EVEN if most of it was not directly caused by the USA
Should then the Nazis be at fault for the deaths of 70+ million in World War 2.. even if not all are due to Nazi forces?
Such double standards

[FortheHonorofDragons]

2. Even some of your claims are ridiculous
USA support to the Khmer Rouge is highly contested (and was a force the USA was AGAINST during its involving in the Vietnam War). Instead its far more likely the USA supported the Khmer People's National Liberation Front...
You make once again an outlandish claim of "1 million Vietnamese killed" (I assume you mean innocents, and not combatants)... Should we mention the Communist Vietnams crimes? Perhaps the 1.6 million known cases of Democide according to Rudolph Rummel? .. the Boat People? the Re Education Camps? Maybe we should mention Pol Pot in Cambodia?
Should we ignore Saddams atrocities? or perhaps the Talibans atrocities (who even now according to UNAMA are at fault for roughly 70%+ of year civilian deaths).
Or are we saying those organizations share no accountability for their actions?

[FortheHonorofDragons]

@lonestar_01 Regime change in Afghanistan?
You do realize the Soviet Union overthrew the Afghan Government... right?

The United States was more interested in getting the Soviet stuck in their own quagmire
the whole "Win all the Battles, but can't find a way out... draining resources and public opinion" type mess the USA had in Vietnam...

Which they ultimately did?
and you do realize the Taliban came into existence in 1994?
the Soviet War in Afghanistan was 1979-89
The Afghan Government collapsed in 1992?

[FortheHonorofDragons]

Once again CrazyGirl2
WELL SAID :)
You gave some very well considered and researched replies.

[CrazyGirl2]

@FortheHonorofDragons Thanks for… well I was going to say “sticking up for me”, but you absolutely destroyed that anti Semite! Usually, when they see “facial argument” crumble beneath weight of a few indisputable well-sourced facts, they go straight to “Jews own all the banks”, or especially the “oh yeah, well… well you guys killed Jesus”! I gotta admit, an anti Semitic German? Woah, I did NOT see that one coming! LOL 😂

[FortheHonorofDragons]

Haha..
Well as something studying Social Science (History in particular)
I get tired of see the how common illiteracy is with the field..

EVERYONE talks about it
very few people actually understand it...

I can't even turn on the news without shaking my head.. because some news anchor is misrepresenting some historical issue... or mischaracterizing statistics in a way to make a narrative
its so common place..
and its quite depressing

and honestly social media in general is so full of this nonsense.. that I can't even look over twitter without feeling like I need to throw up

[lonestar_01]

@FortheHonorofDragons The Soviet Union did not overthrow the Afghan government in 1978, the Communist party of Afghanistan did; the Soviets intervened in 1979 and got rid of the coup leader and replaced him with a compliant one. The rebels that the U. S., UK, Pakistan, China etc. supported, trained and funded in the 1980s later by 1994-1996 the majority formed the Taliban. Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative under the guise of "Tim Osman" and hailed as a hero in 1993 by American media for helping overthrow the old government by 1992. Everyone knows the Afghan war was 1979-1989, the Soviets intervened in 1979 and the Taliban formed in 1994; but the U. S. and other countries still helped and backed a bunch of Jihadi rebels that came back to bite them in the arse by 2001, so you can't deny they supported extremist regime change

[FortheHonorofDragons]

@lonestar_01 Once again
1. Indeed the Saur Revolution took place in 1978
However, the Communist Government of Afghanistan was extremely unpopular (much thanks to how they treated opposition) and this led to Amin coup of 1979 <---- which was also influenced by divisions within the Communist party itself.
The Soviets intervened (Storm 333) and overthrew and killed Amin, and replaced him with a Pro-Soviet Karmal.
2. The Tim Osman concept is a Conspiracy Theory, and is not actual history
Indeed the United States supported the Mujhadeen (through Operation Cyclone) and specifically through the Pakistani ISI (which organized on the ground)
But the Foreign Mujhadeen (Which Bin Laden would have been part of) made up a very small portion of the whole
3. It should be mentioned that SOME of the Mujhadeen leaders did become Taliban (Omar for example) but that the Mujhadeen was not a unified force
immediately after the collapse of the Afghan government in 1992, they fought amongst themselves
MANY of the leaders of the Mujhadeen, are also currently leaders of the Afghan Government today.

We can clearly argue the validity of the move
for its clear the United States was more concerned with Cold War politics
and indeed would support questionable forces (from the Contras, to Diem)
This was a reality of the era.

you are oversimplifying issues for narrative.

[FortheHonorofDragons]

@lonestar_01 And once again
no one here is questioning that teh USA has done bad things in its history
Crazygirl02
has clearly suggested SHE ACCEPTS that the United States has done bad things

The argument here is against Genspenster_division
assumption that the United States has been by far the WORSTTTTT at it

[CrazyGirl2]

@FortheHonorofDragons Amen!

[errorgoodnameunfound]

@Abtraction Hell yah the truth! @gespenster_division Dude, criticize another country for once. Trump got elected partially because foreigners have been shitting on SPECIFICALLY America for far too fuckin long and many people thought of it as a good middle finger temporarily. And yes, foreigners means YOU ya saukurl. :D

[ChrisMaster69]

It’s not just the US that is wary about Russia, Europe has had a very long distrust of both Russian Empire, the USSR and current Russia.

they have a number of long term goals, warm sea naval ports which they pretty much have wrapped up, once Ukraine is sorted.

Russia wants to regain specific territories that were once part of the USSR, ones it sees as legitimately belonging to them.

that includes all Warsaw Pact countries, Ukraine, Baltic states and some of the ‘stans.

The US have basically inherited the mantle of stopping Russian expanison.

it’s not like Russia is going to free these countries lol.

Nato runs QRA CAP from the likes of Lithuania to protect them from Russian aggression.

since 1945, NATO including the US have prevented Russia from dictating to other countries and spreading communism. Now that Communism is pretty much dead and seen to fail, it’s all about energy, political connections, etc.

also Russia still sees Germany as its natural enemy and a huge amount of its military arsenal is aimed at European warfare.

it will carry out as much as possible via proxy, such as supporting Iran, Syria but only when in its interest and will happily stab them.

the planned invasion of Ukraine is being watched closely, as its believed this will form part of Russia’s first strike capability using Cyber Warfare as a first strike weapon.

[Gespenster_division]

Lol Russia's military is set up for defence. Its the US military that's the aggressive one, just look at where the US military puts its bases surrounding Russia. The US has 900 foreign bases, while Russia and China combined have around 10. The US is currently bombing 30 countries and has vast mercenary armies deployed globally.
Assad didn't go along with the US plan to undermine Russia's economy by building an oil/gas pipeline through Syria instead choosing loyalty to his long time ally.
Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan all follows the pattern of the US government creating the problem so their b52s can solve it meanwhile US companies and the military complex get us taxpayer money and targeted countries resources for weapons and to rebuild.

[ChrisMaster69]

There is no way the Russians are set up for defence.

A simple review of their order for battle for guards divisions shows clearly it is an offensive only corps.

It is focused on the rapid annilation of targets in front of them and rapid advance, sort of an improved all arms blizkrieg

Also very similar to final stages of WW2 soviet attack doctrine.

I’ve sat through defence lectures on this stuff and saying it’s for defence is naive in the extreme

[Gespenster_division]

Purely defence.
"It is focused on the rapid annilation of targets in front of them and rapid advance, sort of an improved all arms blizkrieg" you just described every modern mechanised arm. Russia is a large territory its mechanised forces are built to repulse any incursion into Russian territory, Russian militarily has a very short range compared to NATO & the US who can project force on a global scale.

[ChrisMaster69]

This is likely arguing with a moron.

Have you had any briefings on Russian doctrine?

Do you know about their first strike capabilities,
The weapons a defensive army would use, rely on maximising defensive assets, counter air, battlefield defence,.

Yes NATO forces are attack orientated, that is their approach, global projection of power, they are offensive in nature, hence rapid reaction corps.

Yes I described every modern mechanised army, however you are saying Russian is defensive, that style of combat is very poor for defensive engagements.

Irrespective of what anyone says you are simply a Russian sycophant.

I suggest you read up on Russian weapons, they are not defensive in nature.

A very very clear indication of this is the budget allocated to logistics.

Also why would a defensive military need such a large special forces corps?

Yes the west have them, as we follow an offensive doctrine, that defends but is more geared to attack.

[Gespenster_division]

Hhhhmmm what weapons systems would a defender use to protect vast stretches of open plains? Used to be the horse now its the tank.
It is a very good form of defence when you absorb an enemy in depth and attack through combined military arms, the Red Army did this at kursk, the Wermarcht did this many times in North Africa to halt and even rout British & American advances in North Africa though badly outnumbered. Your understanding of defence is pre 1940s with the French maginot line.
Why does Russia have so many special forces soldiers probably because they are more effective and cheaper than 20 conscripts per spetsnaz, also they have a defensive requirement. Compare the 17,000 Spetsnaz vs the US 70,000 Green berets, rangers, navy seals, marsoc etc deployed across the globe to impose America's global ambitions and that's not to mention all the various special forces units of other nato nations SAS, SBS, Royal Marines, French foreign Legion, Spainish Foreign Legion there are so many and probably bring Nato special forces up to 100,000 outnumbering the Russians 5 to 1. NATO is aggressive and expansionist.
Russia is updating its military and preparing for the future so it can defend itself against any enemy. Still a fraction of us military spending.

[NamerOfStars]

Legacies of the Cold War, mostly; in any society, the real movers and shakers tend to the be those who are old enough to have learned how to do it. It's been thirty years, but when you grow up hearing that another people is in league with the devil, it takes not merely time but actual effort to dislodge that belief. And since there's not much interest in doing that...

Additionally, if you take a look at a topographical map, you'll see that the 350 miles between Warsaw and Moscow is pretty much just a flat plain; it's always been very hard to defend, and so Russian leadership pretty much HAS to be at least somewhat saber-rattly. Does that excuse everything that Putin's done? No. But it helps explain the mindset. Russia, at this point, is really just a regional power- it's just a really, REALLY big region. Putin's hardly a Soviet Revanchist, but he DOES want to see his country return to a position of greater strength and prestige.

The bigger issue, though, is manipulation. The two easiest groups of people to manipulate are those who are angry, and those who are scared. Convincing Americans that Russia (or Putin) is a great and powerful boogeyman is an excellent way to do that.

[Gespenster_division]

The US military complex needs a bogey man to justify the US military being 10 times stronger than the militaries of every other nation on earth, that's expensive.

[BeMuse]

They were for a long time an ally of sorts with America, but then they let the commies in the door in the 1920s and that’s when relations started to slip… The Nazis were a counter balance to the commies for a bit, but they were fucking nuts so we had to clean that mess up. Then the Russians got all paranoid thinking we were going to nuke them, so one thing lead to another… Russians were the aggressors in the Cold War. While we were sitting on German rocket scientists to prevent them for doing evil genius stuff, Russia thought we were trying to kill them so they started developing ICBMs to try and wipe us off the planet… The USSR was trying for global domination spreading communist revolutions to neighbors creating a lot of instability and hardship… Naturally America had to respond. After the USSR crumbled we thought you might be turning a corner for the better, but now you basically have a dictator and most of the nation talks about bringing communism back… So it seems like a bad movie sequel in the making… I think Russia is less of an issue than China, but it’s sad to see you guys slide back towards communism even if Putin is taking a strong stand against the WEF’s Great Reset.

[kkirk4442]

America is not Russiaphobic. America does tend to have a problem with Russia, and like countries, invade and take over land areas that don't belong to them, and fund and send soldier to fight in wars to take over land, so a leader friendlier to Russia can take over, or to allow the annexation of more land for Russia, from it's neighbors. America also tends to not like it when Russia poisons dissidents and political opponents to Putin. America also tends to not like it when Russia interferes with our elections. Etc.

[Gespenster_division]

Everything you described is what America does on steroids.
Invading other countries, sending in soldiers to take over lands, installing us friendly governments? Let's see Iraq, Afghanistan, South Vietnam, Yemen, Libya, Ukraine, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Panama, Somalia etc
killing political dissidents? Obama had 2 us citizens assainanated without trial in a foreign sovereign country via drone strikes.
Interfering in elections? The us government has been doing that for 60 years including in Russia.

[Aethereal]

@gespenster_division Exactly! I'm so tired of this hypocrisy coming from a country that does the same things more frequently, overtly, and for much longer.

[Gespenster_division]

@Aethereal yes. America is like a giant octopus with its tentacles chocking the rest of the world to feed their greedy obese piehole.

[The_Maphio]

I didn't like Trump all that much as a character, but he did well under many aspects, one of which was to retract the USA's hands from all over the world and put them back in the US' pockets. Good deals with China, good relationship with Moscow... World peace obtainment in motion. Good stuff.

First thing the new "democratic" government does, go back in war. Sorry, but that's not what a democracy does. That's what expansionist, imperial, authoritarian countries do.
Yet the people who voted for it are against all of this, as their braindead blabbering openly state on a daily basis.

I don't understand anymore. But at this point I'm rooting for Russia and China to join forces and make a disaster.

[ohshee]

I don't think we are Russia phobic I think we might be Putin phobic and that's just because Putin has hidden agendas I believe p u t i n wants to be this big shot that takes over the world he wants to be seen as a sex symbol as a as a rock star was to be bigger than he is and that's just so wrong it's unreal I think Putin could have 10 times to respect that he does if you wouldn't do the things that he does he is the a type of guy that will act like nothing is wrong and then sucker punch you and that time is coming between them and China one of them are going to do it the thing is we're going to find that who is the baddest who is the smartest and who has the bigger balls and who's going to be the boldest I personally like Russian people I like all people I don't like any leaders including my own

[Gespenster_division]

Putin's agenda is a Russia free of American domination and interference.

[Kaneki05]

Trumps best friend was Putin so a president of Usa was best friends with the president of Russia.
It's not really they hate russia. Otherwise why would trump be best friends with putin? and why would conservatives be okay with that if they hate russia?
They just hate communism which just so happens comes from Russia and set up camp there with the leaders like Stalin.

[Gespenster_division]

Communism is actually German. Karl Marx.

[Kaneki05]

well marx was german. But russia was the one who turned to using the idea and adopting it.

[Gespenster_division]

Germany was very close, France and Greece too.

[Anonymous]

Because Russia is one of the few independent countries that won't buckle down and do whatever the U. S. tells it to do, or let the U. S. do whatever it wants. And since Russia is (economically) weaker and less influential internationally than China today , it's easier to focus on them.

America loved Yeltsin's Russia in the 1990s, and praised him when he sent tanks to shoot parliament for daring to impeach him (sure made the Jan. 6 Capitol storming look tame huh). He kissed ass, destroyed the economy, and did nothing when the U. S. invaded Iraq and bombed Serbia. Putin reversed much of that disaster, and calls the U. S. out on its bu*****t abroad.

Bullies don't like it when their expected victims stand up to them.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Because the Americans know how criminal Russia is and want to get rid of this monster.
Also, the former communist countries confirmed and affirmed the terror they went through because of Russia and the poverty that is found in our countries is due only to Russia.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Lines, to buy bread, milk, meat and any other product

[Gespenster_division]

What lol? America has the largest prision population on earth. America is impoverishing the 3rd world. America has 1000+ foreign bases plus 11 nuclear aircraft carrier, numerous nuclear destroyers and submarines, over 1 million men at arms a 3rd of which us deployed globally to defend America's global empire.
The majority of Americans especially non-whites live in poverty. Obesity is epidemic. When I was in America all I saw were fat people.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Romania invited USA to make a military base at Deveselu.
You know what is diferent from Russia in sentuary XVII?
America didn't anex our country, alow to do our own things and suport us vs coruption.
We ask America what to do and they tell us, but let us decid what to do as long we get the best result.
Rusia come in my country, anex, sole, sometime they even move how they want whit no permision from us, persecut our population that whas anexed in 1812 and 1940...
Force us political sistems. Hungary and Turkey are USA aliaces, but they are totalitarian country now by theyr own choice, not because somebody force them.

[Gespenster_division]

This is an old picture but there are currently lines in America for food. 40 million Americans in the world's richest and biggest producer of food are going hungry.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

thous photos are whntile 1989.
Even my parents and my sister had stay at thous.
my sister is 1981 and whas send to stay alon at thous line in order to get food. In 1989 (she whas 7 yares old).
All my family tell me thous photos are real and from 1945 thill 1989 nothing had change on them

[Gespenster_division]

I dont doubt. But thats exactly the scene in America right now in 2021.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

It will disapear in 1-3 month they start the fight whit covid extremly late

[Gespenster_division]

Nothing new. Food stamps too.

[Anonymous]

We Americans are just a bunch of fat people who love exporting freedom and democracy abroad. The same freedom and democracy we don't have at home.

China and Russia don't like our values so we don't like them too. They need the freedom and democracy that by the way we don't have at home.

[Gespenster_division]

America whips out its values like its their penis and gers offended when the rest of the world refuses to suck it

[Abtraction]

lmao, we just came on your face instead with "The Treaty of Versailles". We dictate what your country can do, and still do.

[Gespenster_division]

@Abtraction basically every NATO country. Treaty of Versailles? The US was barely in WW1 and the US government then believed it to be too harsh. The US was no 10 as a world power in 1914 behind Germany, Britain, France, Russia and bumped to no4 by 1918.
Anyway the US government may cum in our faces but it sodomises its own citizens without lube.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

"And I am an annonymous voice of the internet insulting the country I wish I was a part of instead of some shithole like Hungary or Brazil..."

[Opinion Owner]

@errorgoodnameunfound "instead of some shithole like Hungary or Brazil"

I wish I were born in one of those places so I wouldn't share the same citizenship as you and other millions of clowns like you.

[Anonymous]

Because Russia has been hostile toward America for decades, we were engaged in the cold war with them, we've both threatened each other with nuclear annihilation, Russia floods America with propaganda, and hacks into American systems such as the 2016 presidential election, which resulted in 4 years of turmoil and hardship in the U. S., which could further be linked to the 562k deaths (and counting) from covid, due to their 2016 election interference.

[Gespenster_division]

Well the US has interfered with Russian elections in the past, seems very kharmic that Hillary lost that way.

[Opinion Owner]

Russia doesn't have elections. You can't interfere in something that doesn't exist. That's why Putin has been in power as long as he has and will remain in power until he dies. Anyone who opposes him politically is poisoned. They have the illusion of democracy. Nothing more.

[Gespenster_division]

You just described the US

[Leavesbound]

Perhaps because Russia, like the USSR before it has been run like the Mafia and has at every turn looked for excuses to attack our interests. Our only real mistake with Russia/USSR since WWII is we should have let them have Afghanistan.

[Gespenster_division]

The US is currently undercutting Russian economic interests. The old Soviet states and former Warsaw pact countries were meant to be within the sphere of Russia but US companies, NATO bases and US friendly governments were installed in the 90s. Russia has largely been able to keep US interests out of Russia and the US doesn't like that. The whole Syrian war happened because Assad sided with Russia over the US when US companies wanted to build an oil/pipeline through Syria into Turkey which would undermine Russian oil/gas exports.
Afghanistan itself is worthless to the US but its position to central asia is important to US interests. Central asia is a landlocked region with Russia to the north, China in the east, Iran in the west and Afghanistan in the south. Afghanistan is the US government's only way in. Central asia is rich in vast oil, gas, coal and other valuable minerals and is largely untapped. Its not just this mineral wealth but this wealth should see massive economic development with the sale of consumer products, military hardware and heavy industrial machinery. China wants a piece with talk of a giant highway to be built like a new silk road and Russia wanting a piece. US interference Afghanistan in the 80s and US invasion in 2001 after failed clinton negotiations with the clintons for an oil/gas pipeline with the Taliban is all part of a decades long plan that goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union and maybe even before.

[Avicenna]

Russia, as a majority-white country that is a geopolitical rival with no lobbying influence in Washington DC, is an acceptable bogeyman to the CCP's US branch (AKA the Democratic Party). Democratic politicians are either on the CCP's payroll, their friends or family members are, or they're compromised by the CCP. That's why Russia is the bogeyman of choice and not the CCP, which is far more dangerous to the people of the US.

[MCheetah]

Damn man, I love you. (No homo.) I wish other people had your insight.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I hate to admit it, but it may not be far off. Though, coming from a "conservative" state, I will note that many conservatives (maybe rhinos?) are far friendlier to China than they admit. Trump may have been anti China, but many of his friends secretly don't have too much a problem with the country. It's ALL of the US gov't bowing before China that needs to stop, save for maybe Pompeo, Trump and a few others.

[jshm2]

Because they are small minded and covet what the Soviet Union had : legitimacy.

American is an illegitimate child of Europeans, fed steroids and hope, to be our mercenary.

But it serves little purpose in the world these days, other than as a feeder state.

Sad, really.

[MCheetah]

We're not. That's just the Mainstream Media's bullshit boogeyman response to anything related to conservatives. Since Liberals are in bed with Communist China and are traitorous pieces of shit who hate America, they blame everything on Russians. Most Americans couldn't care less about Russia, good or bad. The far-left media just likes to shit on Russia.

[Gravit1]

Not all Americans, though some of my ancestry had conflicts, I can say Russian women are hot. We proved ourselves superior to Russia, though sadly not all Americans. Nothing to fear from Russia. There is a sense of dualism with the Cold War that carries a certain zeitgeist. It is funny now, but was a serious and feared reality then. We had our nukes, they had their nukes, we had our spies, they had their spies, we had our secret weapons, they had their secret weapons, Astronauts, and Cosmonauts. The whole mirrored reality is a weird feeling, but theirs was faux reality (even as some of their nukes) that eventually shattered.

[Redred56]

Because of the past, Russia put nukes 90 miles off the Florida coast. During the Cold War! That is
Something the youth are kept in the dark about. They think Hitler got us into WWII not true!
It was Japan.

[Gespenster_division]

During the Cold War the US put nukes on Russia's boarders in Turkey. Krustchuv responded by putting nukes in Cuba. In the end the US was forced to remove the nukes from Turkey in exchange for Russia removing nukes from Cuba so Russia won that exchange.
Generally speaking everyone knows about Pearl harbour. There was a question after Pearl Harbour about the US going to war against Germany that was settled by Hitler preemptively declaring war on the US.

[Redred56]

As the attack was happening, Japanese were in San Francisco trying to work out a trade agreement.
Making the talks pure diversion. And put us to war ASAP
Just who have you ever heard say anything about the Japanese? Not even in reference to reparations.
Now that’s sad.
Yes we had nukes in Turkey but that has no bearing on why the fear of Russia. I remember the warships coming to Cuba and Our blockade.

[Gespenster_division]

The nukes in Turkey have every bearing on why you fear Russia, the Cuban missle crisis was a direct response to the US pointing a gun at Russia's head. Russia succeeded and Kennedy backed down. Few Americans know about the real truth of the Cuban missle crisis.
I've heard a lot about the Japanese, especially about how the US manipulated them into attacking Pearl harbour so the US could get involved in WW2.

[Redred56]

Our warships blocked passage to Cuba and the Russian ships kept coming. That’s how that went down.
If we wanted to enter we could have long before! Many family trees of Jews were already lost to Germany as it was. Wonder did FDR say it is there custom like Biden said about China?
That kinda blows the Japanese theory out the window. They were the pacific campaign and Germany
The Eastern. At the beginning or at least when the states got involved. You had Germany, Japan and Italy all as allies to one another. The Italians took out Mussolini pretty fast and Italy was a non factor
Plus became part of the resistance.
Have you ever heard of the Hitler Youth? Now that was sad! Or to me it was. Plus you had a similar thing happen in Nam. Again media and Google your teacher/preachers say nothing.

[Gespenster_division]

Exactly. But who got the victory? Russia did because Russia was only doing all that to get us missles out of Turkey and they succeeded in forcing the US to do so.
Biden knows what side his bread is buttered on. To be fair Hitler tried to ship the Jews to America but Roosevelt and American Jews prevented that. Churchill stopped Jews from being sent to Palestine.
The italians didn't take muscling out fast at all, the italians and mussolini lasted 5 years 1939-45. The invasion of Italy took place in 43 and two years later there was still hard fighting at the gothic line which held the allies for yearly a year. People dont realise just how hard the fighting in Italy was.
The Hitler youth was a model organisation for indoctrinating future soldiers, there fanaticism matched the Japanese only were better soldiers.
What happened in Nam was a failure of US political and military leadership right at the top. The US came to fight the previous war and committed their forces piecemeal, there was no objective and was supporting a corrupt regime against its own people.

[Redred56]

There was no victory but a ease of tensions between the US and Russia. As far as Hitler goes, Henry Ford of the Ford Motor Co. was a major Anti-Semite to the point he even bought his own paper.
I mean press, ink etc. Caught Hitlers attention and Ford got the highest award a non German medal could get! Needless to say Hitler the Nazis were in awe of him. Ford had clout as well. Check this out
And look it up. Ford and GM helped Germany.
I have a question for you. You sound like your OK with the killing of the Jews. I’m curious as to why and why your OK with Biden being on his way as they have spoke of reeducation camps. Sort of a Dachau instead of Auschwitz.

[Gespenster_division]

The victory was Russia achieving their strategic goals by forcing the US to remove the missles in Turkey.
Ford and GM sold to nazi Germany up until 1939 but they also sold to the soviet union, Ford in fact helped set up the soviet union's automotive industry and sold 72,000 cars to them. US industry has sold to everyone from Hitler to stalin to mussolini to Sadam to the taliban etc.
Never said I was OK with killing Jews but a lot of people have suffered throughout history, the Japanese killed 30 million plus Chinese during ww2 for instance.

[Redred56]

I see you didn’t read to thoroughly of Fords anti-Semitism and how Hitler gave him a medal. Ford became a Democrat in I believe either 18 or 29 . But Robert Byrd a democrat senator the one Biden has said is his mentor was KKK. Hitler looked up to and modeled many ideas after Ford. Ford died in 47
Byrd a Klansman in 43 mmm
You can put the word victory on whoever you want, doesn’t really matter. Only thing that does is that
Tensions between the countries subsided. Sounds like you’ve never been in a tense situation?
Hope you never are! This country is not equipped! I know you think Google is really telling you how it was. Google’s 30 year olds didn’t witness the warships. I did,

[Gespenster_division]

Ford didn't like Jews big deal. If Hitler had took a better look at Ford's ideas the nazis may have won ww2. Stalin gave Ford a medal too. Why America has given medals to horrible foreign leaders too.
Yes Russians were able to sleep better that America had been forced to remove it missles from Turkey. I can only go by my grandfather's testimony as he was there on the a ship.

[Redred56]

So your an anti-Semite to! No big deal as you say. You are who you are! Hitler had issues with our bombing and cutting off supplies among things. If you had done any research you would have found
Deeper things but something tells me you might have little hair? My grandparents last name is
Grösch. German Jew.

[Gespenster_division]

Plenty of people hated Jews, stalin hated Jews for instance. Roosevelt and Churchill choose to keep millions of Jews in Europe. American Jews campaigned to stop Jews immigrating to the US, Jews in Palestine did the same. If you'd done your research you'd know that Henry Ford pioneered the development of the assembly line technique of mass production which was a problem for the nazis even before ww2. People forget that the wermarcht was using horses all through ww2 and most of their equipment was outdated except for one or two weapons systems.
Grosch is a good Beer.

[Redred56]

Your kinda making my point for me. That Japan brought us into the war. That was my original statement. And you spell her name close it’s Grösch not Grosch I know it’s small but it makes a big difference in sound when speaking

[Gespenster_division]

No Japan got played by the US. THE US from Roosevelt down had some pretty smart people running things. There was an overall plan and its no accident that after ww2 the US emerged as the richest most powerful nation in history with litteraly every rival competitor apart from Russia either broken or crippled.
Grosch good beer

[Redred56]

Yes Japan got us into WWII, really because they attacked Pearl 40-60 to early making it a act of war before it was declared. Timing!
Here’s a question, I know your getting your info. From Google because some is off. But why doesn’t
History in High School, College, University go over this.

[Anonymous]

Because of the deep state that is brainwashing people, through the media and through its education system. Really, what exactly distinguishes the United States from Russia? Both are white, European, Christian nations. They are practically a civilization - the European Christian civilization. The United States and Russia are natural allies. The problem is globalists who want to destroy such values ​​as nation, religion, civilization, family, traditions, and turn all people into an impersonal, stupid amorphous mass to create a global dictatorship. They want to destroy both the United States and Russia, they want to liquidate nations, that's all.

[normalice]

Because they tried to destroy our country by installing trump as dictator?

[Gespenster_division]

Bullshit. It's the US who does that.

[normalice]

More than one person can do a thing, idiot 😂

[Gespenster_division]

Clinton, Bush, Obama, trump, Biden doesn't matter the bombs still fall in the middle east.

[normalice]

So you agree Putin is a piece of shit?

[Gespenster_division]

Has piton and Russia spent the last 20 years dropping bombs on goat herders?

[normalice]

Probably. I don't really keep score in the Russian whataboutism game. I know they tried to destroy our country. Full stop.

[Gespenster_division]

You guys did that yourself

[normalice]

That's how misinformation usually works, yes.

[Gespenster_division]

Exactly the US installed a US friendly government.

[normalice]

Exactly. Putin is a piece of shit.

[Gespenster_division]

he's all that stands between the US and world domination

[normalice]

No. Putin is just a turd who has his own population eating his bullshit and calling it candy.

[Gespenster_division]

Yes America give you freedom fries so you can be obese and diabetic

[normalice]

I agree, Putin is a fat piece of shit.

[Gespenster_division]

Putting was just voted Europe's sexiest man. Nothing fat about him.

[normalice]

Wow, as a Putin loyalist it must have been hard for your to admit he is a worthless piece of shit. I commend you.

[Gespenster_division]

Yeah. He makes all the Ukrainian girls wet.

[normalice]

It is odd you freely admit he's a worthless piece of shit but yet don't do anything to get his political rival out of prison. That crap wouldn't fly in the U. S.

[Gespenster_division]

Doesn't matter who is president in the US. US voters are given a choice of two presidential candidates both approved and under the control of the American industrial complex, the last elected US president was JFK and he was assainanated over his defeat during the Cuban missle crisis, refusal to overthrow castro during the failed bay of pigs invasion and for refusing to escalate American involvement in Vietnam, also he was a heavy drug user.

[normalice]

Russians say "doesn't matter" a lot to justify giving Putin all the money and power. They don't want to admit they've been tricked into glorifying poverty just so Putin could have all the money in their country. And yet, for all it "doesn't matter" they sure try extra hard to get republicans elected 🤣

[Gespenster_division]

Putting stopped America from robbing Russia just like it does elsewhere.

[normalice]

Putin lied about Russia being robbed so he could rob it.

[Gespenster_division]

Russia would be robbed by greedy fat Americans like everywhere else

[normalice]

Russia is robbed by greedy fat Putin, like everywhere else.

[CaptainSmartass]

Because of the Cold War, and the fact that Putin's messing around in your elections. Oh yeah, I also forgot to add, Putin's gay for Donald Trump.

Simples...

[Gespenster_division]

To be fair the US has been messing in everyone's elections for quite sometime and overthrown governments who don't tow America's line.

[slatyb]

Probably because of the oppressive regimes that have ruled Russia, and for a while eastern Europe, since Stalin.

[Browneye57]

They want to dominate the free USA.
Duh. Study your history. Oh, that's right, they don't teach anything in schools anymore. Got it.

[Gespenster_division]

Yeah that's why they have military bases surrounding the US and have a military larger than the rest of the world combined.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Everyone has a bias. But Russia is a threat to American interest. And the American government has to keep their people, and the people of all freedom loving nations in mind.

[Gespenster_division]

American intrest in raping the middle east for resources?

[ChefPapiChulo]

well i did say everyone has their bias. You can think that's case. But there's no evidence to support it. American interest involve bringing peace, prosperity, and advancement. If America fell, we'd enter dark ages similar to when Rome fell.

America is tame when it comes to ruthlessness. We have shown great restraint, and attempt to do what is right.

[ChefPapiChulo]

America is tame when it comes to the ruthlessness of other countries*.

[Gespenster_division]

Look again. Look how America the wealthiest most powerful nation in history treats its people now what do you think they are doing globally? You've "shown restraint" , you've " shown yourself to be doing the right thing" but we all know behind the scenes nothing good of bad happens without the US government's say so and only then in the intrest of the owners of US companies. Since 1945 America has been overthrowing the government's of sovereign nations and interfering in elections for the sake of American interests. Argentinian cattle prices undercutting US Beef farmers well just start a civil war and prop up a right wing regime, Venezuela wants to give the countries wealth to its people well we will economically quarantine them, the Syrian government doesn't want a US pipeline running through their country well let's start a revolution and arm train and fund ISIS, Iraqi government tells the US military to leave Iraq well let's have isis make a right turn and invade Iraq.
The US like Rome is fat and choking on its own greed.

[Anonymous]

Probably because they are idealistically different to us, fuck around in our elections, murder dissenters abroad and invade their neighbors.

[Gespenster_division]

You just described US foreign policy.

[Opinion Owner]

And russias

[InfobotLives]

Competition, pretty much. Not financially but militarily.

[Aurora1010]

I could care less about russia, or the usa for that matter.
Well, only when the usa's decision affects my country or something

[Gabboo332]

because our media outlets have been pushing anti russian propaganda for decades. I would trust Putin more than whoever is running our government at the moment

[Bratsondanielle]

I think most Americans don't care about Russia

Russia phobia? Nah...

[Asianguy123]

Russia is evil but they don’t count. Russia try to dominate natural resources supply in the world. It’s threat to American exports

[Gespenster_division]

Your thinking of the United state. You know Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Syria

[AlexanderAnttila]

Discourse strategy of the decade: Just slap phobia unto any selected subject and thus silence all critique and honest debate.

[Bellatris]

That's a damn good question! Why? Are there any Yanks here who can explain this?

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

It's like Cleveland, and Detroit

So similar, yet they can't stand each other

It's all about the struggle for power. Who's more powerful basically. And that's why russians fear americans, and americans fear russians

[Anonymous]

Because a shithole country with nukes is a dangerous thing.

[Gespenster_division]

You mean the United States.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

no... pretty sure he means Russia dude. Every country has shitty parts but... Russia is 100% still third world. They're still friendemies with goodam North Korea. NORTH KOREA. Fuckin nobody with a brain should be anywhere near friendly with North Korea, or else they should fuckin move there.

[FortheHonorofDragons]

I wouldn't say the United States is Russiaphobic (as in Russians themselves, or their culture, music, etc)
but it clearly has issues with the Russian Government...
those are 2 different things


Much of this stems from Cold War era policies where both the Soviet Union and United States were battling for global supremacy.

[Jesus_is_the_guey]

To be fair Americans hate anything that seems foreign to them

[OddBeMe]

Because you fucks keep trying to hack our elections and are homophobic as fuuucckkk.

[Waldoe]

Russia said, "We will bury you"... and they will NOT

[msc545]

I don't know - all the Russians I know are very nice people

[Anonymous]

Probably an aftereffect from the Cold War. ... Considering how many politicians suck up to them though it's just the citizens.

[Anonymous]

Russia has been extremely patient with war-mongering nations like the USA. President Trump has settled things down quite a bit in this regard, but Beijing Biden has reinstated Obama's policies of WANTING a war with Russia. Insanity is prevailing.

[blondfrog]

Better question is why is Russia so Americphobic?

[Gespenster_division]

Russia just wants to be left alone.

[blondfrog]

True and they are a powerful country that America could never invade so you shouldn't worry.

[TheBigGuy9]

The mainstream media has brainwashed myriad people.

[WindAtMyBack]

It's not. The cold war ended a long time ago.

[Anonymous]

They’ve been a longstanding enemy.

[Anonymous]

India shall Support China & Rissia Against Amrrica 😐

China, Russia & India Jointly Can Vanish America from World Map in 72 Hours 🥴👌🤚

[Opinion Owner]

**A for America

***C for China

**** I for India

***** R for Russia

******D for demolished 🤷🤦🤚

[errorgoodnameunfound]

wtf? India hates China now I thought. Having a bit of stockholm syndrome there pal? Ya havin fun being quarintined and shit because of daddy china and its bat flu? :D

[Joshua0213]

Who cares about Russia, but fuck China

[errorgoodnameunfound]

HELL yah! Fuck Xi Jingping. He can and Kimmy Jong Un can suck a massive dick after being fucked with a cactus. I'd consider throwing Putin and his bear wife into the mix though. :D

[Abtraction]

lmao, CIA propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Because of liberal brainwashing

[JessieBellll]

They are scared of Russians power

[Anonymous]

Because the US doesn't want autocracy.

[Anonymous]

Good question.

[Anonymous]

No clue what you're talking about.

[girlwithbraces]

Not them all.