How do cities with the most restrictive Gun Laws still have so many shootings? (Page 2)
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Once you make something illegal you end up having no way to regulate it. Take alchool, it was banned 100 years ago so instead speakeasys and illegals bars opened with no drinking age, consumption restrictions, etc. Once it was legal again they could enforce it. Right now there's places to buy illegal firearms prett easily. Guess what? There won't be waiting periods, ammo restrictions or restrictions on automatic weapons.
The city in the USA with the highest gun murder rate is St. Louis. Gun laws are very weak there. Doesn't that disprove your theory? If we had strong national gun laws, then we would have far less murders. Just look at Canada. Murder rate in their cities are 1/10th what we have in America because they have strict gun control laws.
No; reread his headline. His point is that strict gun laws don't help, not that they increase crime.
Canada has a different culture in their inner cities than we do. Does any city in Canada compare to St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, etc? Mexico has stricter gun laws than the US, as does Brazil, but both have significantly higher murder rates. So much for your 4th sentence.
@zagor You are just cherry picking, 40 European countries all have strict gun control, and very few gun murders. USA has extremely (almost insanely) relaxed gun control laws and have incredible amounts of gun murders, mass murders, and school shootings. Dude, it's not worth it.
Yet many Latin American countries have strict gun laws and out-of-control murder rates. Who is cherry-picking? And many US counties have lower murder rates than most European countries. If you discard the stats for the 30 worst US counties the US rate is probably comparable to Europe's.
@zagor lol, that isn't anywhere close to true. Let's just take mass murders and school shootings with guns. The usa is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUTE worse than every other developed country. You have to delude yourself to think guns and the idiotic culture that surrounds them are not a major problem in America.
Mass shootings get the publicity, but they are a small portion of murders.
We have Sandy Hook. In China a guy went into a kindergarten and killed 9 kids with a knife.
Eliminating gangs would have a MUCH more significant influence on the murder rate than eliminating guns.
@zagor lol, look up the stats, America has more mass shootings than every other country combined. And the more so. America has more gun accidents than anywhere else (a child dies every 8 hours in the USA from a gun accident). America is psychotic with guns.
You look up the stats. See how many shootings are gang-related.
@zagor look up how many kids die from gun accidents because of how many guns there are in the USA. A kid dies every 8 hours. Is that worth it to be legal to own a gun? Look at mass murders, America is by far the country with the most mass murders all with guns.
Kids die due to irresponsible parenting and teaching kids to respect them and storing them properly.
Or you can not have guns and save thousands of lives? Or are guns more important to you than thousands of people not dying?
Guns used 500,000 to over 2 million times a year defensively.
Lol, developed counties with stricter gun control laws have way way way fewer murders, mass murders, school shootings, gun accidents. Gun culture without question kills more people than an anti-gun culture. I think lives matter more than guns.
Freedom above all else.
Freedom of life is more important than owning a stupid murder toy
Murder toy? Its self preservation and anti suppression tool.
Europeans are not free, they are slaves to their government. May be safe but only because the government lets them be safe.
A funny thing. Talk your grandparents. Ask them about guna in school, every old person i know brought a gun into school, had gun in the locker or their truck. Or just had it because, granted I don't live in the city, but if you ever saw the movie idiocracy? Yeah, that's how we populate lmao, it's just dumb people doing dumb shit. Has nothing to do with good law abiding citizens or criminals. Bring back asylums
Because the country is awash in guns. The "good guy with a gun" theory is just silly. The real question is why does the US have by far the highest number of gun deaths of any western democracy?
We aren't a democracy.
Why is it silly? It happens everyday!
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Fine, just ban the bullets. What will shooters do then? Have to yell 'BANG' instead? That's safer. No?
Because anyone can import a gun from any state without strict gun control laws, duh.
But why are gun homicide rates so low where there are strict gun control laws over the entire country, not just a few states? Because abolishing guns or strict national gun control laws reduce gun homicide rates. And Australia, England, Japan, and other countries proved it.
They don't. States with strict gun laws have lower gun violence than states without strict gun laws. Lying doesn't help, it just makes you look stupid.
You clearly don't listen to the news. 34 people were shot in Chicago a lone last weekend. Thats a daily occurrence. And Chicago isn't even the most dangerous city.
Also these cities are populated by majority leftist, so why do they have more gun crime?
oh so you listen to main stream media now?
Did I say main stream media?
so just random media?
Media in general covered it not just mainstream.
So you just listen to when media hypes up a story and ignore all the statistics?
You have very funny retardation.
I want to see your proof of states with more gun laws have less violence. I asure you its not. Because Illinois alone Because of Chicago is murder capital of the the US.
it took me 5 seconds of google to find this: www.cnbc.com/.../...-how-your-state-stacks-up.html
yeah no. trust the nra. more weapons equals less violent crimes and accidents involving firearms and less shootings. just keep sellig guns. the problems will solve themself.
Gun laws been being added for over 30 years and still hasn't done anything.
We even had a Assault Rifle ban and it still didn't do anything to change anything
well i see there's only 2 possible solutions. 1: make sure that weapons don't get in the hands of wrong people. and if that fails (which to me, it looks like it did), get the weapons out of the hands of all people.
the issue in america is that people are so god damn criminal. it's a country full of criminal fucks, and with a bunch of other issues. so people would probably still find ways to murder each other if firearms were banned... but at least it wouldn't be that easy then.
It be easier to kill people if their prey aren't armed.
you made an interesting point there. i know there's not gonna be studies about this but i'd wonder how many people in every single shooting in america had weapons to "theoretically" stop the mad person. i mean i would make the argument that killing armed people is pretty much as easy.
Its not as easy to kill armed people when you don't know who is or isn't armed. Concealed carry gives ordinary citizens the element of surprise, even tho they are responding to the shooter.
if it's not easy to kill armed people, then why do shootings always happen in america, where carrying a firearms, sometimes even concealed is legal? i'm not buying the excuse that "just nobody there happened to have a firearm".
cases where people are actually responding to the shooter stopping them with their own weapon force are super rare events. so you see to me those facts don't really fit together well.
Because shoots got to places where people are most like not armed. Gun Free zones
You call 500,000 - over 1M a year rare?
i said it is rare for a shooter to be stopped by people that are armed and that i am not buying the argument that "there just happen to be no armed people around". that "might" be true for "some" of the shootings but is certainly not the case for the majority... sonsecquently that argument that "more weapons prevent such things" is pure nonsense.
Where is your proof the there where people armed?
The fact is they majority happen in Gun free zones you can't dispute that
The different gun laws spanning across state lines are as effective as having a no peeing section in a swimming pool.
That must be why the state surrounding those zones have the lowest rates of gun ownership and most unconstitutional gun laws in the country. You lose, again
@Rangers
What exactly are you disagreeing with that causes me to “lose, again?”
if that were true then the areas with no gun laws would see equal or higher gun crime... but they don't
Because most of the guns come from states that have lax gun laws.
that's a lie, if it were true why don't those areas have higher gun crime?
@007kingifrit You obviously ignore facts. It is very true, that many guns in cities come from states that have lax gun laws. And listen to your logic. "if it were true why don't those areas have higher gun crimes?" Your logic is, if a gun exists, there will be a crime. The reality is, that if there is high crime, then available guns make it much worse, and much more deadly. As well, guns in big cities with strict gun laws, often do come from states with lax gun laws. It's a quick and easy source.
aaaaah so its the rural areas faults that you have such high crime... even though you just admitted hte crime is there already with or without the guns
@007kingifrit Actually, you changed the topic from so many shootings, to why so much crime. The initial post was why the most restrictive cities have so many shootings. It's because guns are available, and guns are available in these cities, largely because they are so easily purchased in states with lax guns laws.
@kkirk4442 Then why are ther not as many shootings in rural areas and the country
Thee happens to be a lot fewer people living in rural areas, so there are fewer people to do the shooting. And you are missing, that many people who live in rural areas commit suicide with guns. And, perhaps you have not thought of this, but shooting only happen where there are guns, and if there were no guns, there would be no shooting. If people in large cities didn't have guns, there wouldn't be shootings.
Cities have very strick gun laws and they still have more shooting even tho no one is to have any.
Thats like saying if you ban cocain then there will be no cocain. Oh wait, is a huge problem.
stop jumping all around and changing the topic.
PER CAPITA there are less shootings in rural areas. so you cannot use the argument that there are fewer people and thus fewer shootings in rural areas. that simply isn't the cause.
suicides are not important to this discussion either. its not your job to protect people from themselves. that isn't the role of government
How is that changing the topic. But if guns are highly regulated in cities they shouldn't have any shootings right?
Simple stupid its because the correct answer is to just make it harder to get access to guns. I can also name plenty of states with easy access to guns with lots of mass shootings.
Why is making getting guns harder to get the answer?
Because that way mentally ill people don't get access to them so they don't commit mass shootings.
Known mentally ill people unless turned themselves in to get help lose their right to own a firearm or be in possession of them. Most mass shootings are performed by people that had no previous diagnosis. And the times that there was evidence that they might do something the authorities did nothing.
Mass shootings are a very small fraction of homicides in the US, the biggest problem are these gang wars that kill more people that any mass shooting per year.
The only solution is to give everyone guns and have them pointed at each other at all times, and anyone who isn’t pointing a gun at you should be shot on the spot because they are a risk to the rest of us
Simple because when the average person cannot defend themselves crime rates sky rocket. Eventually people will learn that anti gun nuts have lived in a sheltered bubble thier entire lives and have no perspective on the real world.
Liberal states and cities also have the most relaxed punishments for crime. That’s why crime is higher tagged with gun violence.
Because criminals don't obey gun laws and most shootings are done by criminals.
Because they only virtue signal by taking away people's rights instead of dealing with the actual problems.
Because when less people have legal guns, you get less people giving a would be shooter incentive to not shoot, you also get more shooters who get off a second shot.
Gun laws mean nothing if the weapon was aquired illegally
Well good. Because most of those guns were not acquired illegally and most illegal guns in USA has its origin in legal gun sales so its still attacking the problem at its source.
The cities aren't dealing with the problems that bring people to gun violence. You're talking lack of job opportunities, drug addictions, etc...
Cause the gun laws don't do anything. All it does is make it harder for good citizens to buy guns.