Did you know most of the vaccine misinformation comes from just 12 people?

[goaded]

"Researchers have found just 12 people are responsible for the bulk of the misleading claims and outright lies about COVID-19 vaccines that proliferate on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.

"The 'Disinformation Dozen' produce 65% of the shares of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms," said Imran Ahmed, chief executive officer of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which identified the accounts."
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes

Doesn't surprise me

That can't be true

Don't know, see results

[Levin]

Maybe those 12 evil people posted the government's own statistics from the yellow card website. Which apparently gets you suspended or banned from twitter for 'vaccine disinformation'.

In any case, we need a good ol' fashioned witch-hunt for the condemned 12!

[goaded]

Obviously not. I'm sure honestly posting the government's own statistics from the yellow card website won't get you banned. Pretending that, for example, numbers of people who die within a couple of weeks of vaccination were killed by the vaccination should.

[Levin]

No, you're absolutely right. All 1100 (or 11000) deaths and 750000 adverse reactions were purely coincidental.

Have you every considered a career at pfizer? You have more faith in big pharma than most religious people have in their god. You make a good sycophantic mouthpiece.

by the way, you do know that medical errors are thought to be the third biggest killer in the US? Again, some people are able to put what's happening in the wider context of the industry and its corruption which extends beyond the current event.

[goaded]

Oh, bollocks. Your made up number (you can't even stick to a number within an order of magnitude) is crap. Then the crumb of truth about medical errors, which has nothing to do with the vaccines. I'm not impressed.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course. Because for all the free-thinking conspiracy dudes claim to participate in, they are just followers. And they are just being used. How many times has trump fleeced his followers?

They still keep coming back.

[ronaldo75]

Trump was a piece of shit but it's the left that enacted "change" by voting in a rapist and a corrupt racist prosecutor into the white house. Dont talking about people being followers

[goaded]

@ronaldo75 It took you three weeks to come up with that lie?

It's not the first time I've seen it on here, but I wonder what crumb of truth it's based on (and how you distinguish it from Trump's wife accusing him of rape in public legal documents).

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me,” Ivana Trump said in a statement at the time, as the Daily Beast reported. "[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

[RolandCuthbert]

@ronaldo75 What is your insane crazed ass talking about? I don't understand batshit crazy racists. They only see racism when it is directed at them.

Get out of town.

[ronaldo75]

Three weeks? I saw this today. So Trump's allegations justify Biden's allegations and Kamala's hatred of blacks. Ok. Got it.

[goaded]

@ronaldo75 No. You haven't shown any official claims that Biden is a rapist, it seems to be this week's attack. I have seen at least one that says Trump is a rapist (not to mention dozens of sexual assault allegations).

[RolandCuthbert]

Goaded, I suggest backing away from this rabies infected mess. He might be contagious.

[ronaldo75]

Funny how you side stepped Kamala Harris' anti-black past. Biden was never tried or convicted so he never sniffed children on TV. K. So that means Trump never pushed Beauty queens into oral sex backstage? Because it never made it to court... right?

[EmmaMary]

Maybe someone should rewrite the film The Dirty Dozen to The Dozen Morons.

[joeldalton]

That sounds great. We could name the characters Marty the Mask wearer, Lucille the lockdowner, Stan the sanitizer, Greta the grandma saver, Sarah the social distancer, Paul the PCR tester , Dan the doomsdayer, Denise the double masker, Terri the tik tock nurse, Vinny the vaccinator, Bobby the business destroyer, and Fauci the fraudster

[EmmaMary]

@joeldalton Brilliant, utter Brilliance, I can tell you've given this a lot of thought to be able to come up with such great names.

[EmmaMary]

Thank you for the MHGirl.

[purplepoppy]

I would have thought the number would have been higher

[goaded]

I think they're the ones generating the misinformation, there are millions of useful idiots repeating it.

[Riebeck]

Obviously fake. Here's a video of dozens of doctors from varying fields across the world denouncing the vaccines https://awakecanada.org/

[goaded]

You can see that they're just trying to harvest your email address and sell you merchandise, can't you?

[Riebeck]

Everybody tries to sell merch. It's the only way to make money from videos. And harvesting emails is pointless because everyone has multiple accounts they never use just for spam. You still can't deny the video.

[goaded]

What video? It's the front page. For what it's worth, here's one of their claims: "CDC Data Show 4,000+ Reported Deaths Following COVID Vaccines as Kids 12 and Older Now Eligible"

OK, so:
1. the deaths occurred before kids were eligible, so that's irrelevant.
2. 100,000 Americans die every week.
3. That means you'd expect 0.03% of any random group to die within 2 weeks of any given date.
4. Over 14,000,000 Americans have been vaccinated per week for the last couple of months.
5. That equates to 4242 deaths within 2 weeks of being vaccinated.
6. Which is about the number being reported.

[Riebeck]

Oh, I'm on a PC. The vid is in the homepage, maybe not on mobile

[goaded]

Me, too. Do you have nothing to say about the numbers I posted?

[Riebeck]

Can't find those claims on the site. Maybe the video doesn't play for your country

[Riebeck]

Back to the original topic though, you'd have to be pretty gullible to think only 12 people are denouncing vaccines. Half of america loves trump and much of the world has some kind of freedom rally

[goaded]

That's not the claim. The claim is that those 12 people are responsible for 65% of the misinformation out there.

[Riebeck]

I think it's still highly unlikely that 50million americans and probably hundreds of other millions around the world can be linked to one these 12 people. Unless it's pewdiepie or something

[goaded]

That's the whole point; they pay people *like* pewdiepie to broadcast their lies.

[goaded]

" That's the whole point; they pay people *like* pewdiepie to broadcast their lies. "

I don't know why I said that; it's crap. The misinformation gets spread because people want to believe it's true. Have you heard the story about how humans swallow eight spiders in their sleep each year? That was an early example of misinformation on the internet. There's a good chance you heard it, but never saw that it wasn't true.

[Riebeck]

I did hear that and I did hear somewhere about it being what you said. And it does make sense that it was a lie. But in the same sense it's like why did schools purposely teach wrong info, such as Columbus discovering america, or that your blood is actually blue but turns red when mixing with oxygen.

I'm tired of the vaccine topics. I'm just disgusted that first world countries are hogging all of it and making people take it like there's actually an emergency, when they should be sending it to countries like India that are actually having an emergency. It's selfish really disgusting. Conspiracies aside, that's my official stance to not take it.

[goaded]

Final word (and something to make you smile), then. Can you imagine the uproar if first world countries didn't vaccinate their own people first? And they did develop the vaccines. I'd like to see every country with the capability being able to manufacture them, though.

(India manufactures more vaccines, including the covid ones, than any other country in the world www.npr.org/.../indias-role-in-covid-19-vaccine-production-is-getting-even-bigger ).

https://youtu.be/L7fLvmi1hFs

[joeldalton]

Are they the ones saying that you still have to wear a mask after being vaccinated because the vaccine isn’t effective enough to prevent the spread of Cov-2? Those people are the worst.

[joeldalton]

Oh, I bet it was the ones that said on TV they wouldn’t take a vaccine that Trump promoted.

[goaded]

Shouldn't you be wearing a mask, now, to protect yourself against all the vaccinated people "shedding" proteins?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

They're the ones who get how viral propagation actually works; whether or not one or the other will be sufficient to prevent the new case rate to decrease will depend on the prevalence of the virus. I know totalitarians like yourselves like to deal in absolutes so you can't understand that vaccination decreases the probability of contracting and spreading the disease (versus eliminating it) and this goes to show that the anti-scientific attitude of the right also extends to epidemiology.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator You were just whining about people wearing masks after being vaccinated. Now the CDC made you look like even more of an ass.

[joeldalton]

@goaded There you go spouting more misinformation. I need to talk to GaG HQ about your blatant anti-science bias.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Actually they proved me right; when the number of people infected with the virus was low enough that masks were no longer needed, thy laxed the mask mandates.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator You could have least gone with the “science changes” lie instead of that one. Try harder next time. But understand that none of this had to do with science.

I know it’s hard to admit you’ve been lied to for 15 months. You’ll likely go through Denial, anger, depression, bargaining then finally acceptance. But take your loss standing up, and realizing that you can do better next time.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

We didn't need new information and I've been spoon feeding this to yo for months now, the lower the number of infected people at a given time, the less restrictions we need to stop the virus from spreading.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Just last Wednesday you wanted vaccinated people wearing masks. What an AMAZING drop in cases to happen in 24 hours. Truly a miracle. Well except in those blue states that are still clinging to their mask mandates. Those governors really fucked it up.

[goaded]

You know unvaccinated people are still supposed to wear masks indoors, right? The CDC guidelines for unvaccinated people is still: get a vaccine! (And everyone should obey the local regulations.)

www.cdc.gov/.../fully-vaccinated.html

(It's nice to know that there's a limit to the BS you're willing to swallow.)

[joeldalton]

@goaded And you know last Tuesday you were telling yourself you were a good person for still wearing a mask after being vaccinated?

And there's no limit to the BS you will swallow.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, because the new case rate now has gone down since last Wednesday durr hur.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

*Wednesday

[goaded]

I'm not fully vaccinated. But I will continue to wear a mask in stores until the requirement is lifted because I know that otherwise morons who haven't been vaccinated won't wear theirs. (You still have to wear them on fights, etc., in the US, by the way.)

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator How much did they drop? By what percentage? Where was the previously announced level of infection that we needed to hit in order to drop the mask mandates?

[joeldalton]

@goaded oh, you're an anti-vaxxer! Well we should be grateful we have Rand Paul. Who knew that bringing up Fauci's connection to the Wuhan virology lab would end Covid-19 in the US? If only he had done it sooner.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

They dropped by 13% but you're trying to play games by setting a goal post you can move anywhere because at some point you would have to lax the mask mandate and you would just say the case rate is barely down compared to what it was X increment of time before the guidelines changed. Also, the new case rate is greater than what it's been in June when mask mandates were implemented so as long as we see the new case rate continue to go down, it shows vaccination is indeed effective.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No, because you claimed that vaccinated people could still spread the disease. That's why they needed masks. If it was truly a matter of cases dropping then unvaccinated people could be unmasked also. There's no amount of spin you can do that makes you sound like anything other than a moron.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"Could spread it" and "would spread it at a sufficient rate to allow the new case rate to increase" are different things (and the latter depends on how many infected people are present at a given time) but again you can't wrap your head around this because your totalitarian mindset can only see things in absolutes.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Um. I've been saying that there's no evidence of vaccinated people spreading Covid since mid-December. You have been the one unable to grasp vaccine mechanics.

[goaded]

Not an anti-vaxxer, obviously, I won't be fully vaccinated for a few weeks yet. Rand Paul? I've been wondering what you've been wittering on about for the last couple of days. I see nothing but hot air from him, and no corroboration of his claims in the press, not even Fox.

Covid-19 in the US isn't at an end, but the vaccine is doing well, apart from the fact that people aren't taking it (although Trump and everyone at Fox "News" has).

[joeldalton]

@goaded Yup, PURE coincidence that Fauci was whining about masks being necessary well into next year all spring then the minute people start asking about his involvement in the Wuhan lab the mask mandates are lifted.

[goaded]

How many cases of the Indian variant are there in the US, right now? 15?

[joeldalton]

@goaded Doesn't matter, apparently. The SciENcE changed. Oh, and Rand was right when he said vaccinated people wearing masks was just safety theater, despite Fauci's weaseling to the contrary.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Given that pretty much every other disease can still be transmitted by a vaccinated person, until a study comes along that can prove otherwise, the default assumption is that they could still spread it.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator then you should really be mad they lifted the mask mandates. Why aren't they following science?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

They are, as I explained, the case load is low enough that vaccination is sufficient to stop the spread.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Right. Except for the blue states who have done a piss-poor job of handling the pandemic.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Except they did better when policy (versus population density and being a transportation hub) would have made a difference.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator You can't stand by that statement when they still can't remove mask mandates because their cases haven't gone down as quickly as other states.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Can't versus won't (because they want the new case rate to go down even faster) are two different things but again you're a totalitarian absolutist so you can't make that distinction.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No other countries have lifted their mask mandates, that I know of. The US really must be doing so much better at handling Covid. Thank God we had Trump to lead the way to get the vaccine distributed.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Actually Trump cost us 160,000+ extra lives lost and most of the distribution occurred under Biden.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Nope, Trump laid the foundation for the success we're having. While Biden stated on TV he didn't trust Trump's vaccine. Stop lying. It's not becoming. You were wrong about lockdowns, masks, vaccinated people wearing masks,... pretty much everything for the past 15 months out of your keyboard has been BS. It's time for you to start trusting science.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The US did worse than other developed countries under Trump and we're doing better under Biden. That does more to show whether Democrats or Republicans are better at handling pandemics than your BS states comparison.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator the proof is in the numbers.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, that the US did better relative to other countries under a Democratic than Republican president, that way other factors are controlled for.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Nope. You stated that mask mandates were lifted because cases were down. Lefty states still have mask mandates, therefore they don't have the lower case levels. You stated that vaccines are working so we can get rid of masks, lefty states still have mask mandates, so therefore they aren't getting vaccinated.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I stated that lifting the mask mandates didn't cause cases to increase because the case load is now low enough that removing the mask mandates wouldn't cause cases to rise, not that keeping mask mandates while vaccinating people wouldn't cause the new case rate to go down even more. Your statement is a complete non-sequitur because you can only see things in absolutes.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator OR, more likely is Bill Gates’ sex scandal, disastrous job report, gasoline shortage, border crisis, Middle East wars and Fauci’s relationship with the lab where the virus likely escaped “changed the science”, and you just have to keep the lie going.

But at least now you can go maskless now that you have permission.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Wow, way to humiliate yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxvx_a_B4f4&t=214s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV7FwoMB-YQ&t=314s

But as for the Wuhan lab claims, what's the "scientific evidence" for that claim? That some people who worked at the WIV exhibited symptoms consistent with COVID-19 and other seasonal illnesses? Odds are some people would have fallen ill with seasonal illnesses and exhibited symptoms accordingly so no that's not evidence. And what else, the COVID virus is spreading faster in humans than other bat coronaviruses? LOL any pandemic causing zoonotic disease strain is going to spread faster in humans than whatever ancestral strain it was derived from; if that argument held any water we'd have a lot less pandemics than we did.

You're just pushing conspiratorial BS because you don't want to own up to the fact that environmental de-regulation caused this mess. And if you're going to accuse me of defending the CCP, I'm the one blaming the outbreak on a policy implemented at the highest level of government, not a fuck up in a lab.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator your stupid videos aren’t proof of anything. It’ll come out eventually that it came from the lab, and you can add it to another list of your L’s in life.

Oh, and a recent survey of epidemiologists - you know the ones you say we should be listening to - over 80% of them said we’d be wearing masks at least another year. So they’re not as bright as you think.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The videos weren't about the virus coming from a lab, I don't need a video to explain to me why the evidence give is Bullshit. And can you I don't know provide a link to the survey?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Are you too chicken shit to congratulate the CCP on "relieving the regulatory burden on small businesses"? I mean all these big manufacturing firms are polluting like crazy when a mom and pop wet market just wanted to sell meat without having to deal with this web of regulations dictating to them what animals they can and can't keep.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. You’re such a silly boy. You’re not the least bit serious as an adult.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator remember we’re 2 months after you losers were screeching about Texas opening up fully.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Remember when you guys kept talking shit about how Masks didn't work but when the virus resurged in the Fall and Winter the Blue states did better?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Even though we know from the first wave their demographic structure is more conducive to the spread of the pandemic?

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator yeah. Let’s see you take a quiz on how well masks worked. You won’t post your scores.

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Also I find it funny when I say that public services should be controlled by an institution that people have a say in when you want mommy and daddy businesses (big or small) to dictate how they're used and take care of you.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator what was your score on the quiz, hotshot?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

What quiz?

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

And please…stop trying to project your personality on me. It never works, and makes you look stupider.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh, I'm projecting. Here's projection: the right talking shit about how the left doesn't want to acknowledge that COVID escaped from the WIV because it will hurt their financial relations with China when Trump gutting regulations that prevent emerging infectious diseases coming out of animal agriculture allowed the farmers to get a larger profit margin.

[goaded]

I had a look at that "quiz". Of course it's misleading. I wonder what scores people would get if they were asked to guess when lockdowns occurred compared to the numbers of new cases. I bet they'd be at the places people guessed for mask mandates.

As to the lockdowns question, the easy to guess ones are the states which were hit early, and the others are the ones that didn't have rising numbers in summer.

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Well it's been fun, but you lost the whole "pandemic" thing. It's over. You can't even whine about "muh variants" anymore. Other than a few remaining morons on the left who think they can issue an ultimatum about the vaccine, no one's playing anymore.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh so now the pandemic's a game to you? But if you wanna go that way we were "losing" under Trump (doing worse than other developed countries) and "winning" under Biden.

by the way, coronavirus downplaying is all about control; if people don't act collectively it's easier for disaster capitalism to prey on the populous in times of peril.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator By the way, virus downplaying is not about control., no matter how much your smooth brian tries to make it that way. You don't understand the words you use. And no, it's not a game, it's a joke. And I'm laughing at you and all the other authoritarian fucks who have been made fools of and can't see it.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah it is about control and all this none-sense about safety measures being authoritarian is nothing more than projection.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator you still don't understand words, do you.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I do and unlike you I also understand how viruses work.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator you don't and you demonstrate that regularly.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I demonstrate that all your BS claims about the left wanting control are just projection on your part.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No, you actually don't. Ever. You spew stupid shit out of your keyboard.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Claims that the left wants to hide the real origin of the virus for financial reasons and want to use it to consolidate power are blatant projection.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator I've never claimed the former. The latter... well... the blue states are the only ones with mask mandates in place after the CDC guidance clearly states for their removal. Even you can do that math.

[goaded]

That's not what the CDC guidelines are. Outdoors and among fully vaccinated people, yes, but not everyone.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

For the third time, masks not being necessary to prevent the new case numbers from increasing doesn't mean that wearing a mask while vaccinated won't cause the new case numbers to decrease faster than they would otherwise and cherry-picking Texas doesn't change that. Regardless of whatever BS you've been fed about oxygen deprivation by wearing masks compromising the ability to fight against a tyrannical regime, masks aren't a means by which you can enforce authoritarian rule. But gutting the capacity of a population to act collectively in the face of a crisis allows private unaccountable organizations to consolidate power.

[joeldalton]

@goaded - indoors also, which you claimed last week (and Fauci claimed last month) was not safe to do. So you and Fauci were either ignorant or lying.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Putting the collective over the individual isn't what leads to an authoritarian regime taking away freedoms, concentration of power by a few at the expense of the collective does and if you're going to bring up authoritarian socialist regimes, pretty much all of them were authoritarian before turning socialist.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Poor guy. Fauci said today on ABC that he was wearing a mask "for show" after being fully vaccinated. He keeps making a fool of you and you don't realize it.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Could you provide a link to show the context?

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Sure. It includes the clip of Rand Paul bitch smacking him around last month for extra enjoyment.

twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1394683677548945413

But I'm betting now that you'll spin his comments to not mean what he clearly said.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That didn't have the context of what Fauci said. Are you this desperate to push the "masks are about control" mythos?

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator It 100% did. He clearly argued with Rand Paul that vaccinated people wearing masks was not theater and this morning said he did it to not send "mixed signals". He knew full well when Rand made a fool of him that he wasn't telling the scientific truth.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Again, share a link to the video or the transcript so we can see the full context.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Go look it up yourself. I'm not your errand boy.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

You claim it, you cite it.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator I did. I gave you the clip. If you dispute the clip you find something to dispute. There's nothing out of context. It was a complete thought by the weasel. Both times.

[goaded]

You do understand that ignorance is not the same as stupidity, right? At the end of 2019, we didn't know that the virus was airborne, for example. You seem to be of the opinion that if there's "only" a 50% chance that not doing something trivial will kill a few hundred thousand people, there's no point in doing it. I happen to believe it's worth doing until proven safe.

[joeldalton]

@goaded you only believe that because you see it on TV. Not because of any profound scientific knowledge.

[goaded]

Once again, I must ask: what the hell are you talking about?

From the beginning, hand washing, surface sanitising, distancing, mask wearing, and lockdowns would obviously help, the question was: how much? Now, we have a better idea.

[joeldalton]

Yup. None at all.

[goaded]

Oh, you're going for the last word, as ever.

[joeldalton]

And the cost of this miscalculation is millions of starving children, despair, depression, and erosion of society, an increase in suicide, alcohol and drug abuse, economies and businesses destroyed. Good job.

[goaded]

No, it's not. That's just what you want to believe to justify your lack of empathy.

[joeldalton]

You’ve proven you know nothing about science, don’t prove you don’t know anything about ethics , either.

[goaded]

And you're proving you're incapable of letting someone else have the last word, especially when you're obviously in the wrong.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. You claimed vaccinated people could infect others and had to keep wearing masks. You couldn’t be more wrong.

But as they say, it’s easier to get people to believe lies than it is to get them to realize they’ve been lied to, so you’re a hopeless case.

[goaded]

"You claimed vaccinated people could infect others and had to keep wearing masks. You couldn’t be more wrong."
Yes, I could. I could say that there's no chance they could infect others. Like you do.

[joeldalton]

Find me one, then. Just one. I’m still waiting.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, it's all pretentiousness, it's not like there are dipshits out there who distort information and only deal in absolutes and would then say "see, Fauci isn't wearing a mask so you don't need one".

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Wow, that spin took you a long time to come up with. Or he could have been honest with people and have a shred of credibility left.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That wasn't a spin and not wanting to send mixed messages doesn't hurt his credibility.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator There’s no mixed message. Vaccinated people have never needed to wear masks.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Again, that depends on the prevalence of the virus in the population.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator no, it doesn’t.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah it does, vaccines don't grant you 100% immunity so whether or not vaccinations are sufficient to prevent the spread of the virus with is going to depend on how prevalent the virus is. A

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

*Again, you're dealing in absolutes.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator no, I’m dealing with scientific truth.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

It's not true that vaccination conveys 100% immunity. People who get flu shots can still get sick with the flu.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator It’s 100% true that no one vaccinated has passed covid to another person. Not one.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

We wouldn't know if it did or not because we don't contact trace but it known that every other disease can still be transmitted by a vaccinated person so unless there's something magic about COVID, then the same would apply.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator You can't find one. In absence of evidence, you have to assume it doesn't exist. Just like I do with your ability to use logic and reason. It's simple. Even a ginned-up media story would have reported some bullshit if it was possible. Fauci admitted it was theater. Rand Paul was right. Fin.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

That every other virus can be transmitted by a person even if they're vaccinated is evidence. That's like saying you have no evidence that a newly discovered species of bird is warm blooded because you didn't take its' temperature.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator They wrote articles claiming covid causes impotence. Again, some Bullshit study somewhere even would have floated it if it was at all possible.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Well people still got sick with COVID after being vaccinated:

khn.org/.../

So unless you're going to argue that they can't spread it when they're sick, there's still a risk of transmission.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator funny you bring that up. Because the CDC stopped counting asymptomatic breakthrough infections because they don’t have enough virus to infect anyone else…. kinda like I said all last year.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I wasn't talking about asymptomatic cases, I was talking about people who got sick and would have been pre-symptomatic.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator bullshit you weren’t.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Also, do you have a link to that claim by the CDC?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The link I posted talked about someone who got sick.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator mobile.twitter.com/.../1394666390242611203

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

OK, but the issue of people getting sick and pre-symptomatic (the big cause of people spreading the virus) spread still remains.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator But that exactly destroys the narrative you pushed for the past year. Asymptomatic spread is not a thing. And if they counted the cases the same way they're counting "breakthrough" cases, this "pandemic" would have looked a lot different.

[joeldalton]

presymptomatic spread is bullshit also. the same still applies. If you don't have enough virus cells to give you symptoms, you don't have enough to pass it on, as well. All of the masking and stay at home was for NOTHING.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The symptoms lag the buildup of the virus allowing 12-28% of the spread to be pre-symptomatic so your claim is again bullshit.
https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-58

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Ignore the bamboozle. That's fine. I know the truth.

[goaded]

"I know the truth." Just like every other conspiracy theorist.

[joeldalton]

@goaded It's always a conspiracy theory until it isn't. People who believed in UFO's were called 'conspiracy theorists' for 60 years.

[goaded]

I didn't realise any of them turned out to be aliens!

[joeldalton]

@goaded did I ever once imply that? Thanks for playing.

[goaded]

So what was the conspiracy theory about UFOs, then? I thought it was that the government was keeping evidence of aliens from the people.

[joeldalton]

@goaded Even those who reported their existence were called conspiracy theorists. We're still trying to figure out what they are. They could be US military, foreign military, or something from somewhere else. So the truth will come out.

[goaded]

Were they, though? Or was it just the ones who claimed to know that they were aliens?

[joeldalton]

@goaded yes, they were.

[moejoeloli]

Fear is how you best control sheeps

[goaded]

There're doing it to make money off the sheep who believe them. Ever noticed how selling "suppliments" goes hand in hand with misinformation?

Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, even the crazy "magnetised" lady. And they don't care how many die as a predictable result of their actions.

[wankiam]

makes sense