Should people who are science deniers be denied access to hospitals?

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i think so. People who can't accept that science is ever evolving, who want doctors & scientists locked up for trying to keep the masses safe, i think that doctors should tell them to "just pray it away" & save themselves the trouble.

Science is ever evolving, we are constantly learning, if you don't agree that science should be what we listen to, stay away from medicine & just go to your place of worship, you're deity will save you, not doctors & scientists who went to school.

BCA6010 · Accepted Answer

Your premise is interesting, because three of the most adamant "science deniers" by your description that I know, include two nurses who both worked through COVID and are still practicing, and the third is a lady who works for J&J, though I'm unsure if she has had any role in the COVID vaccine development.

What you fail to understand, is that the modern use of the word "science" now more closely resembles "the narrative that the government wants you to support without question," and has very little if anything to do with drawing conclusions based on research. You're also failing to realize that not every medical worker, biologist, and other researchers are in agreement on what is or isn't a valid or necessary treatment for various issues, and you won't usually see anything resembling a consensus until money starts getting thrown around. Why? Because "science" doesn't keep the lights on or turn a profit. When research gets funded, it isn't to "find out why..." It's to "prove that X can contribute to Y," and if their findings say otherwise, their funding gets cut. This is also a major reason why there tends to be a significant difference in opinion between people who work in the more politicized management sector versus Frontline workers in basically any career field, but especially medicine, military, and law enforcement.

Case in point: the (heated) arguments between Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Rand Paul. In fact since you brought up "science is ever evolving," well so has Fauci's messages to the public- quite radically in fact. If you listen to him or someone like him religiously, you're basically going to be getting jerked up down and all around, especially since he's an open advocate for the concept of telling "noble lies" so that people do what he wants regardless of whether it is based on facts or not. Most of the "revised CDC guidelines" that were used as a basis for lifting mask mandates and other restrictions earlier this year were based on research that was publicly available as early as late August of last year.

You attempt to slam religion, but you're little more than a zealot to a power-hungry government, yourself; the other side of the same coin and a pawn to the same type of people I'm willing to bet you believe yourself better than.

Lliam · Accepted Answer

Who wants doctors and scientists locked up? It seems to me that it's those who are pushing the official covid and jab agenda. They claim that they are following "the" science while opposing the very foundation of science. Actual science depends on research and study, sharing of findings, and engaging in robust debate over information. And the public should be privy to those findings.

Those behind the official narrative ban, block, censor, mock, slander and intimidate hundreds of top global experts in their fields and thousands of medical experts whose research and findings vary from the desired official narrative. They propagandize the public with notion that "the" science is settled. Then attempt to condemn anyone who doesn't believe them without question.

They use coercion to force people into being guinea pigs in a new gene modification experiment. They suppress the number of deaths and permanent injuries in the test subjects. And then they call those who choose not to participate names like "anti- vaxer."

The medical system has failed over the past year and a half. Inexpensive, proven safe and highly effective treatments that would have saved millions of lives were withheld. Experimental drugs like Remdesivir were used, even though is was known that they were deadly. People were killed on ventilators when a ventilator was not what they needed. These things were done according to official protocol that doctors were required to follow. I don't blame the actual physicians.

It's bad enough that people were forced to follow unhealthy practices like masking and social distancing. It's bad enough that life saving treatments were withheld. It's bad enough that they've been coerced into taking the eugenics jab. Now you're saying that people who educate themselves about the facts and refuse to simply do as they are told should be denied any form of medical treatment.

Welcome to Nazism 101.
The new Nuremberg trials are coming.

rachel776 · Accepted Answer

Many doctors and scientists, especially at the top, have much more self-serving agendas than keeping people safe. It's our right to decide what we believe and don't believe. We know heart disease is the #1 killer by far, but we allow people to eat McDonalds (we encourage it!) and drink and smoke and still give them access to hospitals

Gwenhwyfar · Accepted Answer

The irony is that one of the biggest science denying churches are called the Christian Scientists.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

What we are experiencing recently is the intersection of politics and medicine, and it's a messy collision in which politics always wins.

TheSpaceGnome · Answer

No.

While I agree that if a person is against the scientific method as a whole, they don't deserve to benefit from scientific progress, the issue is more complicated than that.

The reason that doesn't matter is because scientists are often wrong, so while science as a method is valid, user error will always be a thing, new evidence will always be a thing, and there are going to be patients that are smarter than the doctors treating them, and scientific debate and proof is how you settle those matters.

The point of science is to argue, to debate, to prove and disprove. It's why it's better than beliefs/faith/religion, it lets you learn instead of having to rely on trust.

To suggest that people need to blindly agree with scientists, is to turn scientists into preachers instead of teachers, and science into a religion instead of a method, and thats a horrible idea.

Question the validity of EVERYTHING you are told, no matter who it's from. demand proof, use logic, do math, make observations, start a debate, argue with the people who claim to be experts. do experiments. etc.

Only then are you practicing science.

Let them get treated, explain how the treatment works to them, prove them wrong by helping them.

Destroy the delusions, not the person.

hellionthesagereborn · Answer

That would mean you and every other person would be denied access to the hospitals, including scientists. Their is no such thing as "science deniers" as a whole, people believe things that are wrong and some times scientists are wrong. I can absolutely guarentee that you are anti science in some degree or another, so by your own rational you should not go to a hospital. That is the problem, "science deniers" are not people who deny science, they are people who you have decided don't believe in your interpretations of what you think is science, or those who question scientific claims (as quite literally is required in order to be scientific (if you don't question science, you are not a scientists and you don't support science. You need to constantly question it and test it in order to verify its accuracy. To this day scientists retest hundred year old principles to see if they can break them, this is what science is).

NaultD · Answer

No we have to take the high road or we are worse then they are. One of the more difficult things with scientists is the way they talk to the public like its being scientifically peer review.

Speculation is a normal healthy process for any individual and the scientific community has deep roots in speculation so they humor it too much. With public speaking, scientists need to hand a participation ribbons for the hypothesis and guide the next step find the hundreds of hours needed to make sence of the situation.

Do you think if we call crazy conspiracy theories a cute hypothesis would help? Guide them to the process on what it takes to make it profitable. Armchair hobbyists have the fun till real work is needed and others pursue a real journalism role as a career. (There is a reason why politicians call journalism an enemy to themselves)

Celtero · Answer

Yikes, still posting this dogshit?

You're a dumbfuck on so many levels.

I think the worst part about you elitist leftist shitters is your viewpoint can be reduced to "my opinion is science, yours isn't, I'm better than you!"

I'm sure you're a proponent of transgenderism, which is anti-science. Therefore, it would be amazing if you got in a car crash and were left to die like a dog so you can have a taste of your own medicine.

Don't reply if you admit to being a stupid cunt.

Sbily · Answer

Science isn't one whole thing. It is not perfect and there are a lot of wrong/lacking things. However, it is most practical tools that is available us currently. Refusing one part of a thing does not necessarily mean refusing everything in it. Going hospital already means accepting medical science, if they didn't they would not go so it didn't make much sense to me to refuse them. Forcing groups to believe something is not nice thing as long as they don't cause harm others. It is true for religions, shit crazy theories and it is also true for science.

abc3643 · Answer

No. Of course not. And I want you to think about why the answer is "No".

Hint: The answer is "No" for scientific reasons.

In fact, those same scientific reasons associated with a pandemic were exactly what I used to advocate for universal health care years ago - long before the actual pandemic.

I want to be clear: Think about WHY denying health care (to anyone) is wrong, not for ethical reasons, but for scientific reasons.

InfobotLives · Answer

I think that you should commit to your stance, yes. If Covid is fake then don't go to hospital if you can't breathe, just in case they say that it's fake covid. Stay at home and die from whatever non-Covid thing that it is. Similarly, if you think that God will help you then go to church, not hospital.

BeenThereLovedIt · Answer

I think people just need to learn and accept the world history on what Polio did to the world, and how the WHO managed to vaccinate an entire planet against something on the scale of covid.

It WORKED. Now we have a bunch of political imbeciles arguing against what's best for the human race. It's literally the clinical definition of insanity and self destruction.

rcljr · Answer

liberal butt puppet Fauci doesn’t understand science, he’s contradicted himself dozens of times. He just another elite, demanding people obey him no matter how stupid his decisions are. at no time in my 60 years have I or anyone else worn masks, stayed home or been threatened by a piece of shit President to get vaccinated… y’all can shove your liberal agenda up your fucking asses, sideways.

Glasgow55 · Answer

I agree with you. I personally don't give a shit what they do, but to deny science and all sensible advice, then get the virus, infect others, and go to hospital and drain the already tight funds - nah; Screw them. As you say, let them pray away the hurt.

Surely · Answer

Fauci doesn’t trust the vaccine for the virus that he has probably helped to create. He is supposed to be the highest paid federal employee. Not all criminals are in jail!
I was vaccinated and could not care any less about the people that are not. Providing that they don’t have a medical condition.
I agree. Vaccinated people should get a hospital bed first.

jshm2 · Answer

That's medical development and engineering - not simply "science" kiddo.  They are different disciplines, get a clue before you start gatekeeping.

johnsmithjs · Answer

Well, I did not expect this type of comment from you. You are correct in science evolves but that does not mean it should not be questioned. If you go back in history you will find that "Science" has been wrong plenty of times.

Wine__ · Answer

denial of science. It is the organism that pushes the heights of ignorance. Seriously, I'm having a hard time understanding these masses. How can a person be so closed to questioning and thinking? one can't be this bigoted if he wanted to, even unintentionally his mind works from time to time, but even that doesn't exist. These are probably a different species.

purplepoppy · Answer

The worst are those that get treatment then thank god for their recovery.

Andres77 · Answer

Doctors are educated. That doesn't make them correct. These fools have become your god.

msc545 · Answer

No. We don't put ideological conditions on treatment. I dislike science deniers as much or more than anyone else, but I am still going to take care of them, and hope that if they recover, they see things differently.

AndrésC64 · Answer

I really want to say yes. These people are just so ignorant that they think that they know better than people that have spent their entire lives studying these things.

topramen1565 · Answer

No... that's just a really bad idea from a scientific stand point and cruel from a humane point it view

LordSaddler · Answer

Healthcare should be a human right if you ask me. Do you know what it means, Mrs. Ignorant? That healthcare shall not be denied to anyone.

bannacookies · Answer

What should we do with people who are for inhuman things like you?

Taata · Answer

Why do people pretend that doctors don't pray or are not religious? Like where does this stereotype come from?

TheOracle10 · Answer

Your absolutely irrational approach would help no one. Do you genuinely believe this would work?

OddBeMe · Answer

My emotions say yes, but my logic says no, since I want this pandemic to end.

888theGreat · Answer

Should those that deny Christ be allowed in church, allowed to get married, or have a funeral?

anylolone · Answer

Well, that's a lot of democrats you are killing with it.

KrakenAttackin · Answer

Um, how about we take the politics out of science first?

Adam_West · Answer

those who are against science should not be admitted to hospitals

A_Bell · Answer

Thanks for your opinion, Joseph Mengele.

Browneye57 · Answer

Your dazed and confuses is perfect. :)

jimmy2 · Answer

That would be discrimination

SaoirseS · Answer

Nope.

he-takes-a-part · Answer

so weird

blondfrog · Answer

Yes they should.

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