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Good lord this thread has just become inane drivel of conspiracy theories full of inaccurate facts and for a group who claim themselves "free thinkers" they sure as heck are parroting a lot of talking points from the same conspiracy sites. I'm not even liberal, but seeing how many of the hive mind here turned an actual once in a lifetime pandemic into a political debate is maddening.
For the record:
More than 342 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 26, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
Now let's play a little game shall we? A certain someone on this site who I will leave nameless tried to claim that covid has only killed 100k people and that all the other deaths were due to comorbidities. Well, same would apply in the numbers above, wouldn't they?
So even if I left it at 6340 we can say that number is much, much lower than the 613,000 deaths in the US alone from covid. Right? So I guess getting a vaccination isn't as scary as getting covid in the grand scheme of things.
"What about all the side effects?"
Yeah? What about them? Tylenol can technically kill you with it's side effects, but I don’t see anyone rushing to get it yanked from the shelves. Blood clots occurred with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine which they have already figured out and can treat.
"It's all a ploy to plant microchips!"
Prove it. Are you telling me that of all the millions of vaccines given out, not one could be analyzed and see if microchips are in it? There are people chomping at the bit to prove all these conspiracy theories. Surely one credible one has to have found by now with actual scientific data and not just hearsay.
"Facemasks are useless look at my. gov post proving it!"
Yeah, maybe actually read it. They clearly say more testing needs to be done to make a positive conclusion AND the 3 sets of data they used they even acknowledge that the results may have been biased. The idea isn't that facemasks are a 100% shield against transmission. It just offers another layer of support. If anything, it keeps your dirty *ss hands off your face.
"People who had it are immune so they don't need it!"
No. No they are not. There have been numerous cases of reinfection
"People who get the vaccine are immune!"
No. No they are not. There have been cases of infection there too, however, their symptoms have on average been less severe than those who don't have it.
"Soul transfers, celebrities getting special vaccines, they have all your info!"
Sigh. I just can't with these kinds of people...
Unless you were born in the middle of nowhere and never received a social security card or a birth certificate, they already have you in their databases...
"Those who get the vaccine are sheep! Those who don't are morons!"
Sure. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.
Antivax people: provax people may be sheep, but they are more likely to live. The numbers just prove it. You link your proof which is nothing more than conspiracy theory sites and right wing news sites. That isn't proof of anything other than you know how to copy and paste a url from Fox News. Bring actual facts. Tangible evidence and stop being so damn insulting if people don't agree with you. You want people to believe your take? Just talk to people and not at them.
Provax people: no, they are people like everyone else. Free to make their own choices about whether they want to love or die and are ok with taking their chances. You may never reach some, but stop treating them like they are idiots. They are misinformed and experiencing their world in their own way. Talk to them like another human being and maybe you will reach a few more.
Special bonus: "Mike Keadon isn't taking it and he was a vice president at pfizer."
.. of the allergy and respiratory dept, not the whole company and he was downsized and left the company almost a decade ago.
@ez-bri-z just stumbled on this question, lol.
It’s now obvious why so many Blues go Anon.
@goaded confused what this has to do with paying to access internet.
Everyone in the world is on some form of database.
All births are registered.
It then increases from there.
Obviously I am on a database, birth, passport, driving licence, salary, weapons licences, mortgage deeds, land registry, the list is fairly long
@goaded and that has to do with paying for the internet because?
Just because you are wrong about something does not mean you just change subject.
Is the plan to just keep picking something and then go ‘aha see I’m 100’s correct here’
The original thing I replied to was -
goaded
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@Ez-Bri-Z Everyone on here has paid for some kind of internet access...
You were wrong, there will be others on here that do not pay for their internet.
Anything else, I really don’t give a flying fart about
1. Vaers is being throttled and manipulated, the numbers are much higher in reality.
2. Not microchips, wouldn't make sense. Those need some form of power source and need constant updating, microchips also would not be small enough so it would be nanochips at best. But no, this is not the approach they would take. Instead they would use a conducting element like graphene and remotely access that with your phone to interface. There are people claiming graphene is in the vaccines and this is causing some of the magnet phenomenon. Others are disputing this, currently its an unsettled debate due to the fact its unclear what is in the viles.
Facemasks do more harm than good unless you got the super high grade stuff but even then they do not work to well. If they did people would wear facemasks in biolabs not space suits.
People who had it are pretty much immune, reinfection will happen but is typically mild. It will still show up on the terrible PCR test though even if you won't get bad symptoms from reinfection or new strains. People with the vaccines on the other hand die at a 6 times higher rate although still less than 1%
Like i mentioned, people with the vaccine were never immune in fact they are more vulnerable. They call it 'Breaktrough infections' i call it never worked to begin with. And the vaccine company's never flatout claimed it worked, only the media and politicians did.
¹ Possibly, but that also works on the reported deaths overall too.
²Again, if there really was something they wanted to prove this would have been easy to discover by now. I can claim that each vaccine comes with bits of cinnamon toast crunch in there, but without real evidence we won't know for sure I am wrong.
³I actually don't disagree with you here on multiple fronts. Done correctly it should offer some protection. The problem is people either don't wear them correctly, don't sanitize them between uses, or continue to fiddle with the things after they are in place. Not the facemasks fault really, just too high of expectations of people.
⁴i am agreeing with you on the not immune thing but damned if people don't try to think they are. Im calling out both sides on that one.
Honestly that one is more like the "its never gonna happen to me" line of thinking. Yes, it can happen to you, vaccine or not.
1. Not sure if i agree with this, isn't VEARS specifically a side effect database? Them lacking in accurate reporting would only happen to the vaccines. Other types of deaths would be reported in different systems, and can be inflated due to inaccurate testing at high cycles.
2. There has been evidence this was the case, but the problem is that there is no proper chain of trust because they aren't allowed to know. So researchers obtaining or being given viles have no true certainty. And what they are finding is also being questioned since its mostly a visual analysis. Give it time, reverse engineering something hard to obtain isn't easy to do but multiple initiatives are being done. Some claiming there is graphene in it, some don't.
3. I agree with that as well, masks most certainly do more harm than good if used incorrectly and everyone is using them incorrectly. But can help under the right circumstances, they use them in hospitals for a reason after all. I'm not saying masks have no usage at all, but it becomes useless when you don't have the high grade masks, and if it has no proper seal around the face your still spreading it even further because of the force that generates when it escapes. There have been smoke tests on this. Do all those steps right and it might help by reducing spread, but it won't ever stop the spread on its own (Which is fine, its not like its a very dangerous disease and its treatable these days with good treatments that are unfortunately being suppressed, treatments like ivermectin and hydroxicholoquine/zinc but in a later stadium also blood thinners for example).
4. My biggest fear is that they are Less immune than the unvaccinated, its one of the primary reasons i warned family members not to take it. Long term lab testing on similar vaccines had the animals die when reintroduced to the virus. Meanwhile they have a very low chance of dying from the virus on their own, and i have seen statistics that claim that 6 times higher death rate (Could be age related however and just show they are ineffective) and theories on how this would set off a auto immune disorder. So to me its a no brainer that its better to wait until we fully understand the effects and then you can take a better risk calculation which is why i adviced my family to wait until flu season is over and then they can decide what they think is best.
Either way, thanks for being open for a proper discussion. Its refreshing since most people don't debate so open minded.
They are but there was a very concentrated and public effort from the previous administration to underreport actual deaths
I agree that reverse engineering isn't hard to do which is why I'm wondering why it hasn't happened yet usually it takes no time for a motivated group to find it.
Yeah the masks thing... ugh... drives me crazy. All I can do is keep my family safe by doing it right.
I do ask you to compare the number of deaths with reinfection/vaccinated group and compare those to the deaths of the unvaccinated. Yeah there may be some issues with it, some of which we won't know for years, but what we do know is the unvaccinated are creating new variants of this thing and dying off at a MUCH faster rate than the first two, plus they are taking up valuable medical resources for their stubbornness.
I LOVE good debate where both sides can be civil! This was absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much.
As far as the death comparison go i have this one since its the most fairly and clearly represented. But it will break down delta per vaccine group and list the amount of deaths that occured and also other aspects. Its on page 12 and you will have to convert the numbers to percentages but it gives a lot of insight in what happens.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/.../...ing_16.pdf
In terms of deaths it goes something like this :
Unvaccinated : 0,1%
Vaccine less than 21 days ago : 0,02% (Indicating it works, but small group so could be an anomaly)
Vaccine more than 21 days ago : 0,1% (Indicating it stopped working and everything went back to normal)
Second dose more than a two week ago : 0,6% (Either indicating its a 6 times higher death rate, or that there is an age difference and its still the same and just ineffective).
Overnight admissions it went like this:
Unvaccinated : 1,48%
Vaccine 1st less than 21 days : 1,22%
Vaccine 1st more than 21 days : 1,42% returning to normal for the most part
Vaccine 2nd more than 14 days: 2,05%
So both in deaths and admissions you see the statistics be quite consistent. The vaccine mildly reduces admission and vastly reduces deaths for a few weeks. Then it returns to normal, with the second dose even making it worse (or still the same since we do not know if there is a big age difference there).
So with the above i do not agree with the media narrative of the unvaccinated are the problem. To me especially since this data was quite early in the delta varients formal existance it indicates the vaccines were never effective to it to begin with. Its not a matter of new strains now appearing especially since we are just monitoring one strain here.
Lol sorry, I need to make the joke:
Tell me your not from the US without saying you aren't from the US. (The commas)
Also I think we need to rework our numbers, was that UK specifically? My numbers came from the cdc and are reporting us totals. Link doesn't appear to be working otherwise I'd have checked directly. Our death toll is around 613k to about 35 million reported cases.
Depending on where you go for the numbers our most recent counts of deaths by covid, 99% of them were unvaccinated.
It is from the UK indeed, the link works for me on the website version.
But if its not working for you then search for the following document :
SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and
variants under investigation in
England
Technical briefing 16
I don't trust the US data on this one with the 99% of deaths were unvaccinated. I have seen that said over and over by the US government but that simply isn't in the realms of possibility. I trust the internal briefing of the UK more than the public communications of another country, given this document is meant for politicians not people.
@sawno The paper you reference is interesting, but I don't think your conclusions are entirely valid.
For example, 14 days past 2nd vaccination on any date before June 14th means their second jab was before June 1st, and their first 6-8 weeks before that (if I understand the standard delay between jabs in England), so mid-April 2021. Who was eligable for a vaccination, back then? They're the only people in that category, and only slightly more than 10% of cases affected them.
The more recent document paints a slightly different story, especially when you realise that the vast majority of over 50s have received two jabs by now (if it were 100%, all the deaths would be from vaccinated people).
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/.../...ing_19.pdf
@goaded Thanks for the newer one, this one also splits the age groups which is helpful.
For the sake of not putting in to much time in a short summary to just keep things consistent i will be comparing the combined data, people can do the calculation themselves if they want it separately per age group.
Unvaccinated : 0,13% death (Slightly elevated but in line with the initial 0,10) i think its safe to conclude the real death rate will be around 0,1% and will likely remain this way at least with their measurements.
1st dose < 21 days : 0,02% death, so this one is again consistent so its not a data anomaly. The vaccine works as designed on the short term making you 10 times less likely to die.
1st dose > 21 days : 0,18% that is higher than in the first one but in line with the original findings that it returns to normal after 21 days (Or at that point is caught up with the original death rate as the strength of the vaccine is amplified to much).
2nd dose : 0,77%
So the new data is showing mostly the same patterns as the old data, deaths across the board have risen but the pattern stays the same. It would be safe to conclude that the vaccine works only on a very short term, and long term it puts you in a worse situation.
Also did one specific to the under 50's age group since its more relevant to the people here, it does show a different pattern than the total results since most deaths are over 50.
Unvaccinated : 0,02% chance of dying (So you will have the same chance of dying from the virus as the vaccinated population in general has in the best case scenario meaning its really not necessary for anyone to take it because you still risk side effects)
Vaccine < 21 days : 0,014% (Here we see the first part of the vaccine being effective yet again, but it is a much less drastic drop than the general population).
Vaccine > 21 days : 0,01% (This one is an interesting one, in the other general population calculation this is where the point of return to normal is. For people younger than 50 this does not seem to hold up, they got their chance of dying halved in this scenario).
2 jabs : Back to 0,02% negating the benefits of taking it.
So if we specifically look for under 50's if you did take the vaccine its better not to take the second dose. And people who did not take the vaccine have an equal chance of dying to those who took both.
But alright, now i am going at it i might as well analyse the over 50's to just to get any confusion out of the total data.
Unvaccinated : 5,6% (Higher than i had expected, luckily their amount of cases in general is much lower kinda makes me wish we had a <70 statistic because i expect the very old to bump this up big time).
First dose < 21 days : 1,27% (The pattern of strong reduction continues here, still much higher than for young ones)
First dose > 21 days : 1,07% (Still benefitting, makes me wonder why the total result ends up higher again i assume it might be an age difference in the numbers then given different brackets have different totals as you suggest)
Second dose : 1,63%
So for the very old it might be useful, for us though? Not at all. And the side effects / unknown fertility effects just aren't worth it for our age bracket. For someone very old they at least get a decent protection rate out of it, although we still do not know the long term effects.
@sawno I think you're still missing some very important context (the table you're referring to is a small subset of the people who are dying of the disease) and making some unwarranted assumptions ("i expect the very old to bump this up big time", when they have the highest vaccination rate).
Here are the percentages by age range that had their first jab.
It's not unreasonable to expect that most of them have had the second jab a couple of months later. That would mean well over 80% of over 50's by June. What would be meaningful in this conversation are the number of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated deaths since, say, June. Can you find them?
No. We are not the control group. You are. You are their experiment to see who will genetically make it and who will be wiped out. Why do you think you have kids as young as 13 dying from this vaccine and so many young men are getting not information, and everybody else is getting blood clots, bring tumors, Strokes, pretty much dying off the face of the planet just by taking a shot? Because they were not compatible for what in it. The rest of you may not be so lucky. It is very sad you don't even know what a control group actually means. People that are not getting the vaccine are trying to live. The rest of you get the vaccine because you do it out of fear and thinking you're going to live. But you do not understand. You are gravely mistaken. You're basically on the clock into your body begins to break down. Your body fight these vaccines for a reason because it is something that doesn't belong. Unlike polio vaccines. Unlike the so-called flu shot. This that you inject it into your body is not a vaccine. It's the format your body for a chip for when your body deteriorate then you'll have no choice but to either comply or you're going to die. They're going to force it on even your own babies because once they wiped out people who they don't want they're going to use your children as part of the New World Order and they will be underneath the control of a new system because the old system is passing away. By the time you realize this is going to be too late. You see so many people already quick to mandate so that way you won't be able to buy or sell, you won't be able to eat, you won't be able to take your children to school, you will lose your rights as a human being. You know what would happen if you do not take your children to school. They will take away your children and force it on your children. You do not understand this is more Sinister than you think.
Getting heart inflammation*
So while you're busy mocking us, and while we may be busy mocking you. And actuality we don't want to see anybody to die. Not even our worst enemy. As much as we care about ourselves we also care about you! If we didn't care about you we would not tell you to not take this things. But we can't force you to take it the same way you can't force the rest of us to do so. It was prophesied to me a few days ago covid is in God's control and he does what he pleases. And he will send a whirlwind that will confound the enemy. So while you're thinking you going to get back to normal God has other plans. It's already Lambda people, when are you going to wake up this is going to continue until it reaches Omega? And it may start to cycle all over again. The things you're seeing in Germany, Belgium, now China, do you really think this is the time to fool around? Yeah I've been fully believed to think you're protected if you get the vaccine but now a lot of you are still getting breakthrough infections. The numbers are piling up people. Start waking up. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
We cannot be the control group because we're not participating in it. They just want you to think that so they can weed out who is who. It is you who do not understand and you are that foolish.
According to Psychology in Everyday Life by David G Meyers.
Control Group: in an experiment, the group not exposed to the treatment, the control group serve as a comparison with the experimental group for judging the effect of the treatment.
Goes to show you know nothing about what you're talkin about you just throwing times you know nothing of. ^^
You're the one that got the "treatment". Pay attention to terminology being used isntead of just using the terms inappropriately.
That's why you're downloading me cuz you're embarrassed butt got caught! Very childish of you. If you're going to argue something come with the fact. Because in just do time you're going to find out who's really an experiment and that's you. So congrats buddy, you just lost your freedom of agency.
I don't have to think. The answer is right in the definition. Treatment. Anybody who received the vaccine received a treatment of the experiment. Nobody who took the vaccine is not an experiment. We are not the control group. Control groups are never informed. Those that are not in the control group are informed. Those who took the vaccine have been manipulated to think they are informed. They are not informed. Because if they weren't informed than they would be foolish to take something that would risk their life. And not everybody who is not in the control group is not fully informed to make those decisions which is why there are those that are hesitant, and there are those like me who are not necessarily hesitant but just refuse to get it in general because we are well-informed exactly what the agenda is. It doesn't matter if they soak or try to protect you. The end goal is to still control you and to put you into the new system. They are not going to hunt those who took the shot. They're going to hunt those who won't and confined them in an area where they will force you into that kind of genocide. That's why a lot of people who supposedly caught the virus is all a sudden asking for the vaccine and why they are making an example out of them of why is supposedly too late. It's done to play with your emotions to cause others to get the vaccine out of fear. Those of us who have a eyes open are not deceived.
The moment I heard about this virus I've been keeping close tabs on the news stations. The moment I heard about this virus I've been keeping close tabs on the news patience. You can easily tell that they are lying not only by their body language but by the information they're presenting. It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines and the actually pay attention. The evidence has shown that these people are not only ill-informed, but those in charge are inconsistent of what they are talking about. You can easily find a lot of holes in an argument. They all KNEW. And we were not told. And in the end many lives were lost.
They are using biotechnology. Why do you think biotechnology is now a thing? Technology should never be into mixing with Mankind and yet that's exactly what they are doing. That's the goal the entire time. They've done this in the Biblical times, and they failed. They done this in other worlds and they failed. And now they are attempting to do the same thing again to mankind. Whoever these entities are and trust me they are much bigger than Pelosi or Biden or any of these people that is in front of the camera. They're being controlled by a much higher Authority than them. Much bigger than Elon Musk, much bigger than gate, much bigger than the mall. What you need to be afraid of is not the same, but the Unseen. And they are now starting to show themselves in the spotlight little by little. That's why a lot of Secrets and things that have been covered up or buried, it is little by little being uncovered and brought to light. They can no longer hide this fact, which is why they are making up these things as they go along.
Why do you think they're showing on the news when Biden said if you get the vaccine you won't be hospitalized and all the sudden changes his stance about the risk of hospitalization? They do that they tried it on your trust even though they already told a lie. They didn't apologize, they just build a lie upon a lie. Why do you think the ones that's not afraid to ask questions are usually the ones that get taken out the quickest? Why they punish that one kid that just asked a curious question? You want to know why all these radio post, random people always threaten getting caught with covid after they spoke out against covid? you don't find that to be a coincidence? That's because that person is targeted and they wanted them dead. They not only spreading this virus, they are controlling it also. They already have all of our genetic information. So they know who can survive and who won't survive. So they are lying to you anyway. The moment you are born they already got your information.
Q. "What do you think the treatment was?"
A. "The vaccine. Did you not pay attention?"
So, that would make the people who didn't get the vaccine the...
A. Experimental group, or B. Control group?
Remember: "Control Group: in an experiment, the group not exposed to the treatment, the control group serve as a comparison with the experimental group for judging the effect of the treatment."
@goaded
The vaccinated are actually both. We in genral have always been teh experimental group since the time of your conception. This is why life seems like it is out to get you. That is because these "entities" are out to get those who don't belong in their SYSTEM. Think of the Matrix. We are in that matrix. The Vaccinated in the end became the control group because they assumed, once again, that they were "informed" of something that they did not KNOW. So they are no longer the experimental group alone, but the control group. All of us have been experimented on. The moment you began Pre-K or whenever you started public school, you were already an EXPERIMENT, and that is why they appointed teachers to test you. Why do you think they have a grading system? The system is biased. The higher your score the more controllable you are to the system to pass the "grade" to get your "certificate/diploma/degree".
If you do not understand how this system works down here, and how come others get and you don't, you get chewed up and used like a ragdoll and then find somebody else they can use. The brightest minds always get recruited NOT to save the world but to destroy it. This is why they separate the average from the non average, present you with all these toddler toys and use your imagination to measure your intelligence. Like it or not. This is why they have sociology and psychology fields studying the human condition to prepare those studying in those fields with MASTERS and DOCTORATE degrees to experiment on the general population such as you and I.
@btbc92. Very well put , however you cannot present ANY clear evidence to the brainwashed automatons like the muppet above , they will ONLY believe what they have been programmed to. We and many others see through this charade , they NEVER will , even when it's too late. They just throw a cognitive dissonance induced tantrum , & just throw out the predictable " stupid , tin foil hat wearers , selfish " self righteous crap comments , and other BS ad nauseum , as they are programmed to.
@btbc92 FYI in case you didn't see this, scary stuff UPDATE 7/28: It now turns out that the vaccine causes the virus to replicate faster and so all that were vaccinated are higher risk of possibly death. Here is the inventor of the mRNA speaking to it: rumble.com/...-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html
I know that. I'm well aware what That vaccine is doing. It's a stronger immune system and the vaccine is actually becoming people's new immune system so that way they are Beyond immunocompromised. When you hear this from the beginning, they said that those who had died from the virus are still infected with the virus because the virus doesn't die. They're telling others a law saying how it's made of dead virus self. That's impossible. All those that have examined the bodies of those who have been victims of covid at said that the virus lives even after the body is dead. So if this vaccine is made with those same cells, it's only a matter of time it replicates because it's a lie. This thing is highly intelligent, this is not like the flu or other diseases. And it's even more advanced than cancer.
@FatherJack Check out this one: This is it all taken from US Patent and Trade Office (PTO) tracking, the most credible thing I have seen. “A Manufactured Illusion. Dr David Martin with Dr. Reiner Fuwllmich” 7/9/21. It is still up (7/30), so grab it. https://www.bitchute.com/video/L3zryn6Hm86m/ This explains how big pharma and MSM coordinated it all and is continuing. All covid and vaccines traced as early as ~2001, are in the public PTO record including the “variant.” This is the greatest fraud and crime committed against humanity ever, and we are going to have to live through it.
@btbc92 Well, you are a clever one. So, I had this thing and I am fine and I know a hell of a lot of people that had it and have the anti-bodies too and are sticking with their natural immune system. I am around covids all the time, and doing great. What is your outlook on all of us vaccine rebels that I assume you are also?
He is just one of the liberal assholes on here that thinks the Gov't should have total control of all of us.
@888theGreat Not at all, I just don't want any country run by the kind of person that can't even understand their own simple definitions.
@btbc92 "once it's in your body, it won't come out." Except it does, quite quickly, a hell of a lot quicker than the virus would, for the simple reason that it doesn't reproduce.
I don't even trust or take the flu shots!! My ex use to get the flu shot every year and, every year, she got the flu!!! In the meantime, I NEVER took one and I NEVER got the flu!! Any time they want to give me one, I say, "No thanks, I don''t want the flu!".
Are you not listening? This is not a vaccince. It is gene therapy and it doesn't and never leave the body. Which is why they want you with more booster shots cor those who already took it. This is not the flu shot, polio or anything else. Unlike those shots, This is mRNA. Once it does damage it never leaves. It always reproduces, this is why we have all of these variants getting more aggressive. And it is not those who didn't take this thing. The doctor who made it said exactly that those who took it would be dead by 2025. This is not a joke!
@blank_expression Cheers... I will take a look. Corruption is worldwide , and led by the global banking Cartel. Hence all this BS.
This is your own comment "According to Psychology in Everyday Life by David G Meyers.
Control Group: in an experiment, the group not exposed to the treatment, the control group serve as a comparison with the experimental group for judging the effect of the treatment." NOT part of the treatment. You wouldn't have a f**king clue what you're talking about. You're contradicting yourself, with every comment you type. Clueless freak.
"It's the format your body for a chip for when your body deteriorate then you'll have no choice but to either comply or you're going to die." The only thing you would get an A for is being a complete whackjob.
@PaidShill73 For what, knowing the truth?
Those of us who have had this thing and are immune and are living normal lives and ignoring the control of your group, CCP-Democrats, never had opportunity to enter into your hypothetical “control group” because we don’t exist on paper. In order to be in a “control group” the lab rats have to be controlled, but we rats escaped without detection and are just watching you jabbed-rats that have a dna record and case number. As far as I know, they may have counted me as dead by covid just because they couldn’t find me; it wouldn’t surprise me.
The amount of misinformation is astonishing.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Agree, the whole thing is an illusion: FYI This is it all taken from US Patent and Trade Office (PTO) tracking, the most credible thing I have seen. “A Manufactured Illusion. Dr David Martin with Dr. Reiner Fuwllmich” 7/9/21. It is still up (7/30). https://www.bitchute.com/video/L3zryn6Hm86m/ This explains how big pharma and MSM coordinated it all and is continuing. All covid and vaccines traced as early as ~2001, are in the public PTO record including the “variant.” This is the greatest fraud and crime committed against humanity ever, and we are going to have to live through it.
Oh yes let me believe the words two authors over the words of the WHO, the European Agency of Medicine, and other European health entities... Oh wait, no I am not!
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 "Two authors," what are you talking about? These are physical patents that you can pull if you want to verify them. The US PTO has all this data available. What does this have to do with two authors? You didn't even look because you just know it all by feelings I presume.
The link you posted has the names of two doctors. I was referring to them.
While the covid is known for a long time, were are not facing the same harmless variants we had on the past. The vaccines created now are new made to fight the variants we are facing.
Not the first time I heard this conspiracy theory. This and the mind control one are my favorites.
For example did you knew that Pfizer didn't used previous research made by them or any American company? They used data from a german pharmaceutical company that help them with the rest research. Germans had the date, Pfizer had the means to put that date to good use. But all of that to make a already existing vaccine that already had a patent. Wow, a patent for something that didn't even existed yet...
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You obviously ignored the facts that the patent lawyer presented. I will talk to my wall instead, out.
They call it facts...
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 wtf are you talking about? To whom?
Interesting thought.
Why people are talking about them so much, lately?
With this control group, there is few anomalies, not found in rest of 'experiment' : low IQ and high trust in all government conspiracies theories...
Last most mind blowing excuse I heard is, 'Rich people do not need so many people anymore on earth (due to automatization) and want to leave only 1 billion people on a planet and rest will die of vaccines as virus was not successful enough'...
Who even thought of that? Why?
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The irony is that libtards like you are the controlling ones. You want people to be sheep & not think for themselves. But if you're afraid of people who don't want the vaccine after being vaccinated, then what the hell is the point of getting the vaccine? And they're going to keep pushing this delta variant shit until they can come up with a new one. And it's funny af that they need to bribe people to try & take the vaccine. People genuinely have valid reasons for not wanting to take it but of course libtards & sleepy joe don't want people to think, they want them to obey and not ask any questions
If people though by themselves, and had the right information, they would take the vaccine. Funny how you point the finger at a group for acting a certain way, but you do the same thing.
"The liberals trust the vaccine? Then I shall not take it!"
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Just because something is the official story doesn't make it true. Keep that in mind
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You can take your vaccine. I don't give a shit but just don't act like a communist and tell people they should take it
But they should take it. That is the point.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You take it. But don't act like a communist telling people to take something just because high officials tell them to
I support freedom of choice. People must have the right to take the vaccine or not. 100%. But I also have freedom to think the ones who don't are wrong.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's fine you're more than entitled to your own opinions and i have the right to think that a lot of people who willingly just take the vaccine are sheep 🐑
Yes you do.
Its kinda sad isn't it? But hey, i'm fine being the control group on this mass experiment on a more broad scale. I don't consent on further experimenting / tracking than just the generic fact i am not vaccinated though. So if i end up going in a hospital i'm sure they will write down i didn't have it and thats fine. But not deep studying. Didn't sign up for that.
Sure they are the control group, the control group is the one you don't do anything to. Why you think that this makes them ignorant is beyond me, the control group is left alone and the other group is the one injected with random shit to see what happens. They know that and accept that. If anything they are letting you get injected and are now watching to see what the effects are to see if its safe for them i. e. your their guinie pig, but of course you don't understand what that means.
We are all part of the control till 2023 or 2024 when they will know if the vaccine is safe or not for human use. The vaccine was released as for emergence use only We are all without exception part of the test. Plus everyone who took a nasal swab test now has their D. N. A. as part of the worlds largest data base. So we are all the control LMFAO
Anybody else NOT feel sad for anti-vaxxers that die of covid?
look no further than the anti-vaxxers in this question to see all the dumb shits on this website.
Funny thing is, I don’t pay taxes, I don’t have a permanent address and those incompetent leftist fuckwits can’t tell if I’m vaccinated or not… there goes your “ control group, right out the window, dumb fuck.
The thing is: there's NO law that says you HAVE to pay your taxes!!
Obviously. That was clear from the beginning that the non-vaccinated will be the controlgroup. That's part of individual freedom. You get to make choices, but you also have to deal with the consequences of these choices.
The Delta variant is slowly starting to bleed through to the vaccinated, and it can be passed between the vaccinated. It's at a very miniscule rate (less than 1%), and the affects so far are mild, but it happening, and needs to be monitored.
And, I'll bet shitloads of those illegals flooding into the country are bring it in with them!! Are THEY getting vaccinated?
@FunkyMonkee Good question. I'm not sure if they're getting vaccinated or not. I'd guess not, because they're not being properly processed, so why would they be given vaccinations?
That would be a great band name. Control Group. Yeah man, i saw Control Group and they rocked!
You seen that thing where only old people who have got the vaxxx are getting sick anymore, weird huh,🤔
You mean, because the pro-vaxxers are the ones dying?
Obviously, you haven't been to Fascistbook or a Biden rally!! LOADS of stupid people there!! You'd fit right in!! Every new person they get lowers the i. Q. level!!
Not just HCQ, you will also need to include zinc in that one or it won't be as effective and you also need to be in the pre-hospital stage or it will be to late. Heard good things about Ivermectin to. But HCQ is very safe to take, you could even do it as a prevention and it would likely be more effective than the vaccine.
It must be true if some idiot on Twitter Tweeted it. LMAO
@TessP Its true by definition. A control group is a group separated from the rest of the experiment such that the independent variable being tested cannot influence the results. This isolates the independent variable's effects on the experiment and can help rule out alternative explanations of the experimental results. That it was said on Twitter by someone doesn’t mean anything... the stupidity of you guys is beyond belief sometimes.
@archerer great post.
oh so very true on a number of points and updates.
That's a clever way to spin it but I am still not interested in taking a vaccine that was developed in such a hurry.
Unvaxxed people aren't the control group , it's the left. You all have been mentally fucked for this pandemic by not even wanting to leave your holes while everyone else was carrying on their lives.
Right now you are. As someone living in the EU we get news here that the number of new daily cases increase after restrictions were lifted due to the ridiculous amount of people there that refuse to take the vaccine. So as you can see, you are used as proof that the vaccine works.
Lol, that’s actually a really good point.
True, I never thought about that, I hear the strangest reasons why they don’t and I did research on it before getting it and they are so far from wrong it’s not funny the stuff they come out with for excuses
What did you expect, lol
I know! It's like a little over a year ago when we found out HQC cures it and ONE PERSON that took it died so, that instantly meant that HQC kills people, even though it's been a perfectly safe OTC drug for malaria for the past 60 years!! Where do they come up with this stupid shit that HQC kills people? So several dozen people that took the vaccine have died from it!! WHO CARES? As long as you have a 50% of getting covid after it!!
@FunkyMonkee Yeah it’s all numbers
Mike Yeadon, a former vice president and scientist for Pfizer, refuses to take the vaccine. But he's probably not as smart as you guys are.
@btbc92
Pay attention to what you type. I said "vice president.
I never said he's not smart. Please quote where I said he's not smart.
"You talkin about people like myself is not as smart as those who took the vaccine"
What the fuck? "people like myself" I don't know whot the fuck you are, and I never mentioned you.
Are you OK?
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What did the Pope take?
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How do you know?
Well, yes. They are the control group.
It's a shitty experiment, because, "where's the double blind", but ok.
another brainwashed liberal who's been desensitized to not care about the suffering of others. Nothing to see here.
What suffering?
You are right! It is funny! They can be used to test what happens when you don't take the vaccine.
We're smart enough to know how to cure it!! Can YOU say that?
@alice55 But, are they bothering to party attention to the results? NO!! They want us all vaxxed so badly they can TASTE IT!! And, why is that? It SURE AS FUCK ain't ANYTHING to do with getting rid of the disease!!! If that was it, they wouldn't be allowing all those illegals into the country!!! AND, Lord Fauci wouldn't have FINANCED it, in the FIRST PLACE!!!
@FunkyMonkee well since the Pfizer vaccine was done with information given and in in collaboration with a German pharmaceutical, yes I can.
@FunkyMonkee They just want to gain money from the vaccine also they don't even test neither vaccine the immigrant...
So, why are people dying from it?
@FunkyMonkee dying from the vaccine? 3.36 billion doses have already been administrated. Do you have that many deaths? Not even remotely close!
Not yet but, they'll be coming!
@FunkyMonkee sure sure...
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People are actually dying from the vaccine, a young guy healthy and all have been killed by the vaccine : maxime beltra
He's a French guy of 22 years old and have been killed by the vaccin, the vaccin does kill people and this guy wouldn't have gotten any harmful consequence if he had gotten the covid...
Did they ALL get them at the exact same time?
@FunkyMonkee no. But you really think all of them will die? If that would happen, when they are done vaccinating, literally half of the human race would be gone. You think that is the goal?
Have you ever heard of the Georgia Guide Stones?
Even Michael Jackson said, "They don''t really care about us".
I just heard something else about the shots a few hours ago, they include a new discovery called, Graphine. Although this is a wonderful new substance than can do lots of great stuff, you do NOT want to get it inside your body!! People ARE dying from it!!
Besides, I just found out yesteday that some guy in India has come up with covid cure that works in SECONDS and it's completely natural!! Of course, WE'LL NEVER hear about it or get it and they'll come up with SOME bullshit story about how it's bad for you because they can't make money from natural (plant based) cures!!
@FunkyMonkee in Germany vaccination is estimated to already have saved 40 thousand people. 17 thousand in Portugal. And many other countries who have a population who is not refusing the vaccine are showing a decrease in the amount of deaths and new cases.
There's nothing funny about this dangerous injectable COVID substance. And I'm keeping our military folks in my prayers for their safety.
Well the Delra Varriant is going after all unvaccinated people
Vaccinated too, that’s why the CDC says you dummies have to wear masks now.
You can rationalize anything to help ease your mind...
Happy to be the control group and we do understand my mom told me this months ago
Yes. It is absolutely funny.
Lmao
What is a control group?
When they study the effectiveness of a medicine, they need a group of people who receive a placebo (inert pill). The people who receive the placebo are known as the "control group." The control group provides a baseline to measure the effectiveness. With a placebo (inert pill) about 20% of the participants will report improvements due to the belief they received medicine. To be approved in the US, the actual medicine must have over a 20% effective rate (it must be better than the placebo given to the control group).
@SunnyFlorida , a control group is is group of subjects whose bodies have not been poisoned or altered by a faux “ vaccine” the control group are NORMAL people, not mindless liberal sheep.
@rcljr There is no need to resort to name calling because you have no scientific evidence to backup your position. Abraham Lincoln said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." You should follow the President Lincoln's advice.
@SunnyFlorida , and you should just go get the vaxx and quit trying to control everyone else’s life, leftie.
Better than being the guinea pig 🤷♂️
Imm all for any other vaccines, just not this one
It's more of an inane observation.
Its only funny that people like you exist
And its even more funny that people like you don’t respond to my opinion more than a full day later
Lol. An interesting way to see it.
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