I felt sad for a little bit... but then i remember oh wait they brought this on themselves... and they won't be able to spread it to others anymore.prepare to see more headlines like this soon
Also Anti-vaxxers GOOD LUCK with that Delta variant...
The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the director of the agency, acknowledged on Tuesday that vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant carry just as much virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated people, and may spread it just as readily, if less often.
But the internal document lays out a broader and even grimmer view of the variant.
The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times ...
Still, the C. D. C.’s figures show that the vaccines are highly effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death in vaccinated people, experts said.
“Overall, Delta is the troubling variant we already knew it was,” said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “But the sky isn’t falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes.”
Woe is me! A bunch of bleeding heard liberals don’t feel bad about us freedom thinkers. How will I ever cope? I caught this thing long before there was a vaccine and even before there were masks and lockdowns, and nobody gave a crap then either. However, now that they all feel cozy with their jabs and all is well, now they can judge and pass judgment as if somehow they are superior now. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are on here. I feel just fine and I am around Covid-s all day long without that stupid mask. I plan to start swapping spit to test these natural immune systems. You know if the variant comes along and wipes my ass out so be it. I would rather go out then live in a world where the government now owns my immune system and can force me to do anything. I mean, the Dems plans to hold of you all hostage with this fake pandemic until the US economy is destroyed and China can march in and eliminate you. I suspect since there are an overabundance of Chinese men, they will retain the white women for slaves, but the rest of you are gone.
I have been seeing more and more interviews and one by the inventor of mRNA that is now saying the vaccine accelerates the multiplication of the virus and makes it worse, referred to as “immune dependency.” This sounds bad. If any need genuine sympathy, it may be the ones that got the jab. I am concerned for many that I know that blindly have gotten the jab. It appears that the MSM Dem propaganda walked them into this. It almost seems like this is Auschwitz being administered by a needle. The same propaganda machine is also developing those maps that you posted and I will say that if they are true, then finally those States with the higher cases will reach natural herd immunity faster. However, I don’t completely believe the cases posted are all unvaccinated because now information is coming out that as much as up to 60% of new cases are the vaccinated. Therefore, given the inventor of mRNAs statements and the vaccinated cases, apparently this vaccine was designed to spread it and weaken natural immune systems. There is some serious evil at play here so be careful with the pillar of judgement you have taken in pure arrogance.
How can you tell for certain, which is Russian Rolette, the jab or no jab? As far as going to the Hospital, I didn’t when I caught it. I don’t plan to either. Could be run over by a truck too, what if this, what if that.
UPDATE: This is from one of your liberal accepted sites: “CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated” www.cnbc.com/.../...eak-were-fully-vaccinated.html Now, if all of you want to blow off this lib CDC study to justify your following a mass-hysteria-movement with blind consequences while telling us vaccine rebels how stupid and irresponsible we are then keep going off the cliff. Apparently, according to the above and other studies and interviews, one from the inventor of the mRNA, you pro-vax-ers are now becoming the spreaders because the “vaccine” enhances the virus multiplying.
“ While numerous studies have shown that the vaccines don’t work as well against the delta variant as they did against other strains, health officials say they are still highly effective, especially in protecting against severe illness and death. Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U. S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U. S. health officials repeated this week.
The CDC also said the data has limitations. The agency noted that as population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of Covid cases. Additionally, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias, the agency said.
The CDC also said the report is “insufficient” to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of the authorized vaccines against Covid, including the delta variant, during this outbreak.”
Its still effective. Also no deaths occurred so far
Now think a bit and try to expand your common sense here. The CDC is in major damage control with these results; so would it not be in their interest to apply some soft-soaping arguments to soften the blow of this thing? Do you actually think with their tremendous history of lying that they wouldn’t attempt to Band Aid this thing? The problem is these results somehow leaked out and like all initial negative stories now comes the propaganda backfill. It ought to be interesting. Anyways, I tried and I am out of here. Continue on as you were, all is well, nothing to see here.
If you refuse the vaccine, based on some wile, unfounded theory that it causes infertility, has a microchip in it to keep track of you, then you are for all to see, a fucking moron. Take that phone out of your pocket, because the radiation from it is making you infertile. Open it up and look at the fucking microchip that can be used to keep track f you. Both of those things I just said have as much actual credence as the things keeping you from getting vaccinated. Meanwhile, you put the rest of us at risk for a more deadly strain of the virus.
This is a loaded question.. and I have a loaded answer.. I dont feel bad for anyone who does outside of my family and friends circle I cannot feel sorrow if I don't know a person. They could've been a rapist a murderer or a child molester so why should I feel sad. Tho I feel like the world is overpopulated causing a lot of problems like starvation housing crisis etc so the world can stand to lose a fee million people. At the same time I dont harass or make fun of people who do feel sad for others because everyone connects differently and has different views. We will all die we were born heading toward death so its inevitable but they bring it upon themselves with situations like these where there is a way to avoid it but they choose not to. Who knows it can be the world's greatest loss or the world's win. Everything is all relative like Schrodinger's cat.
Do I feel bad for them? A little because they’re misinformed and brainwashed into thinking the government is really trying to insert chips in their arms. Completely disregarding their cellphones and credit card transactions. At the end of the day, death comes for us all.
Regardless of people's views of the vaccine, why aren't people recognizing that there were vaccines such as Astra Zeneca that were not safe for people to take. I remember reading a report that there is a vaccine that millions used that could cause disrupts the nerve system and it was published by medical experts and the mainstream media. I have tried to implement the idea of looking at two sides to the coin. Did I get the vaccine? Yes, I did, I got 2 vaccines of Moderna. But that doesn't mean I will not have sympathy of people who die of not taking the vaccine. But if people call each other fools or hurl insults for not taking a vaccine then in some way people who are pro vaccine are ignorant as well. Take a look at the United States government and its agencies, there are Americans who are pro-vaccine, place their hands on their hearts and pledge allegiance to America and not give a shit that for over 20 years invading Iraq and killing over a million people.
Why am I mixing politics and a vaccine. It's because despite our differences of opinions, people on the right and left both have bad behaviours and assume they are smarter then one another and support something but not realize they are also being a hypocrite as well. Just to be clear, if a vaccine is deemed safe by the medical experts to reduce/eliminate Covid-19 then yes, just take it. However, I will say this if people think our lives will get easier and will get better after Covid-19 and the vaccines well then y'all living in a fantasy world and plugging your ears and closing your eyes for what's about to come and that's World War III and a huge economic collapse. And when people hear this they want to avoid it and lash out at me and dislike my comments or hurl insults mainly from people who leftist supporters.
And I wonder, why are you guys getting triggered? Wars and world wars and economic issues have always occurred throughout civilization and I don't classify myself as a Republican supporter, neither a Democrat supporter or Independent. I have to put my faith in God and his message. If someone wants to call me a moron or stupid or that I believe in something make belief, go ahead but that also shows people's ignorance as well. The reason why I am saying this is because it's fine if you want to get the vaccine, I did, but don't assume were all safe and that life will get better so we can go out and mingle and party and blah blah blah. We will be tested in this world much more, Covid will seem like a walk in the park compared to what's going to happen in the future unfortunately. If anyone reads this go ahead and dislike my comment. But no where in this comment did I say I was anti-vaccine. Because at the same time you can't force people to take a drug or a shot. There are people on the right and left who demonize Islam or think halal meat converts you to being a Muslim and these people are also pro Vaccine and anti Vaccine. We live in a world of stupid people, don't assume just because you get a vaccine you're the smartest person in the world and you can laugh at people who die from Covid or insult others... That's childish and immature in my opinion.
I would say I am indifferent. It is their decision at the end of the day and if they die, they die. I fall in that boat as well. I chose to not get vaccinated and no, I am not looking to argue with anyone here and nor am I here to stir shit up, this is just an unpopular opinion that will rustle a lot of users. You and I have had this conversation before. I made a decision that a lot of people hate and I get that, but I don't care.
I had COVID and I survived it. I like my chances with the delta variant just fine. My refusal to get vaccinated is selfish, but I don't see how it is any more selfish than those going ape shit on others for not getting vaccinated and putting pressure on those that refuse because it is a choice. Bottom line, if I die, then I die. I take that chance and risk. Then you all can celebrate and do the can-can, throw a rave or tap dance in the streets to celebrate my kicking the bucket for all I care. You got vaccinated? Awesome, I don't care either way. Your decision and I respect that. All I wish is that there was common courtesy regardless of the decision at the end of the day without people flipping shit.
One more note, though. Anti-vaxxer is being defined poorly. Anti-vaxxer is being used as a label for those who refuse the COVID vaccine be it for medical reasons or personal choice. In reality, that term is defined for those who refuse vaccinations for all forms of diseases that we have found cures for, not just one specific one. This is dishonest labeling if it is being linked to one peculiar vaccine overall.
I do have compassion for them. No matter your sentiment about the vaccine, nobody deserves to die from covid.
In case you are not aware, covid kills you be triggering an immune response that scars your lungs, kidneys, heart, liver, and your endocrine system. Your lungs get scars that prevent them effectively absorbing oxygen and passing it into your blood stream. Your kidneys and liver get damaged meaning your body stops filtering toxins out. You develop sepsis, and your lungs begin to fill with fluid.
Eventually either you recover or you die from septic shock, cardiac arrest, kidney disease or you drown slowly in your own fluids.
I'm lucky. I went into cardiac arrest and my doctor ignored the guidelines that say don't bother trying to revive a covid patient. The team did CPR for 4 hours to revive me. People less sick than me died horribly.
Even the vaccinated die of covid. I don't see the point of a stupid vaccine that is not 100% effective. They guarantee you that it's safe yet people die and get sick from it, in addition, we're obligated to wear a mask even after getting the vaccine, with the stupid excuse that the vaccinated can carry the virus around.
Even if Anti-vaxxers die of covid, I applaud them for the fact that they excercise their humans rights and choose for themselves. They're snatching our human rights away, and people like you just sit there and watch thinking that the government cares about you. If you don't learn how to fight for your human rights, they'll give you another excuse to keep you locked In the house, and you'll believe them.
The information has been out there for quite some time. mRNA isn't even that new - this is the first application, but the tech has been around and studied for a decade.
I find it most hilarious that Republicans are now changing tune on the vaccines because 97% of those hospiralized in the US are unvaxxed - and most anti-vaxx are Republican.
I do feel bad for those who intended to get the vaccine, but either haven't had access or means.
But for those who have been against it or just don't want it because they haven't done their research (or their "research" comes from Facebook or their friends), no. I don't feel bad.
It's just natural selection. Literal, irl Darwin Awards.
I don't feel sad, but not in a "they had it coming" type way. I just don't usually feel sad about people dying unless I knew them personally. Thousands of people die every day and I can't be so attached to whether someone I don't know had a car accident, fell off a cliff, got COVID and died, or whatever. Death is part of life.
I do feel a bit sad if I know the person or hear their story from someone who cared about them, but I'm more sad for the living person who is in pain. Even that, there are so many people in pain, I can't take their pain as my own.
Like karma things can bite you in the ass & when it comes to being sad I feel for the people & their families but when it comes down to things it was their choice & unfortunately things didn’t go so well. As for me four of my friends made a choice & unfortunately things didn’t go so well for them as well. On of my friends would always go out & he said fuck it I’m not going to wear a mask & I’m not going to social distance & next thing I know he ends up in the hospital things were going good one minute & the next minute he’s dead. As for my other friend she was totally against the vaccine & one minute I see her & the next minute she’s on a ventilator in the hospital & then lights out. As for me I did get the vaccine & to be honest I don’t trust it & all I can say is I hope the fucking thing works.
Nope, not in the slightest, because they are the ones that continue to drive the pandemic, and hamstring all our efforts to defeat it, ultimately leading to more mutations, more death, and more economic impact.
It's their choice, and their right to refuse the vaccine, of course, but their refusal is infringing on my right to be healthy and safe. Their selfishness has a direct, negative impact on others.
They take up valuable hospital space, and medical resources when/if they inevitably do end up seriously ill, and strain the healthcare system, costing others life saving care. It costs money to treat them.
So no; they choose to be selfish, and negatively impact others, so why would I give a shit if they die? Fuck 'em.
No, because I don't abandon human decency in the face of party politics. Do YOU feel sad for all those who get the damn shots and die of all the complications they cause? Do you feel sad for everyone who's going to die of radiation poisoning from leaky nuke plants because the standard is now "safety testing and rules don't matter if we're sufficiently scared, and global warming is terrifying"?
How about all those who'll die from diseases these gene therapies mutated? When spike protein-equipped TB sweeps the land and bodies pile up in the streets, will you feel guilty because YOU brought this on them, in the name of avoiding a disease less dangerous than chicken pox?
"Irrelevant"? Basic cause and effect is irrelevant? Not kowtowing to fear-worship is irrelevant? Advocating for mass consumption of untested drugs is irrelevant? D. A. R. E. did a number on you, didn't it?
Interesting link unfortunately all these limitations make it pretty suspect:
Limitations
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected. Instead someone who had or is aware of an adverse event following vaccination must file a report.
VAERS reports are submitted by anyone and sometimes lack details or contain errors.
VAERS data alone cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event.
This specific limitation has caused confusion about the publicly available data, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. In the past there have been instances where people misinterpreted reports of death following vaccination as death caused by the vaccines; that is a mistake.
VAERS accepts all reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS might represent true vaccine reactions, and others might be coincidental adverse health events not related to vaccination at all.
Generally, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS reports alone.
The number of reports submitted to VAERS may increase in response to media attention and increased public awareness.
It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
It's the only adverse reporting system the public has access to. And all it is is a reporting system. But if the rule is "dying with Covid is dying OF Covid", then the same has to apply to these treatments.
It's US-based; neither of the vaccines has an EUA here and can't be legally administered. A gene therapy is not a vaccine, regardless of what the politicians say.
But yes, that's my exact point: using an unknown, untested medical treatment is potentially horrifically dangerous. Safety rules exist for a reason. Incomplete data is incomplete data, and you can't use it only one way.
"untested medical treatment is potentially horrifically dangerous."
not untested. COVID-19 vaccines are safe
COVID-19 vaccines were developed using science that has been around for decades. COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental. They went through all the required stages of clinical trials. Extensive testing and monitoring have shown that these vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines have received and continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U. S. history. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.
Again- they're not vaccines. Trump doesn't have the power to make them that. But putting that aside, no, they HAVEN'T undergone all the clinical trials required- unless you're suggesting the CDC has access to a time machine, please explain how they can have done three-year testing in less than one. They have passed sufficient testing for an Emergency Use Authorization, yes, but that's not the same thing as saying they're safe. It's effectively just sanctioned gray-label use, just like they said Thalidomide was safe to use for morning sickness. Look how well that worked out. They said the swine flu vaccines were safe- both of them, in fact! They said the anthrax vaccine was safe.
If you could accurately predict a drug's effects based on test results from similar drugs, there'd be no NEED for testing; we'd already KNOW. That's the fundamental basis for how iteration works. They are untested. They are potentially dangerous. Not nearly so much as the precedent being set, but then, you're old enough to have to seen that with the build-up to the Iraq war. There's really no point in carrying this conversation further, is there?
"All vaccines follow the same testing processes, whether they are approved for emergency use or through a typical license.
Clinical trials are conducted in three phases.
In Phase 1, the vaccine is given to a small number of generally healthy people to assess its safety and effectiveness. In Phase 2, the vaccine is given to hundreds of people with different health conditions and from diverse demographic groups. In Phase 3, the vaccine is administered to thousands of people across demographic groups and immune responses are compared against placebos, which are doses that don’t contain any of the vaccine and are used for testing purposes only."
here's the ONLY difference between emergency and non emergency FDA approval
"In a public health emergency, manufacturing may occur while vaccines are still in development, rather than after approval. These efforts happen simultaneously, and instead of filing for a BLA, the manufacturer files for Emergency Use Authorization.
If the benefits outweigh any possible risks of the vaccine and manufacturing quality can be ensured, the FDA will approve the vaccine for emergency use."
The unvaccinated are why we have an uptick in cases on a new variant. And now schools are starting to open and kids under 12 can't get vaccinated. And we all know what little germ spreaders kids are.
I think that's a cruel way to look at the world. I'm vaxxed and don't feel hatred against people who aren't vaccinated, nor do I feel good or less sympathetic if a nonvaxxed person dies of covid.
I really dislike the politicizing of the vaccine because black people are the least vaccinated group and they aren't living in red states.
@Still-alive. "They brought it on themselves." You're a horrible person. Typical Democrat. Let's wait for the spike proteins, graphene, and god knows what other shit they put in that jab to permanently injure or kill you.
Y’all hate retributive justice so bad the South is the last place that still carries out the death penalty. Soon enough we’ll be like European countries and let killers out after 20 years thanks to y’all and y’all’s “rehabilitation” ideas
ohhh this was a capital punishment rant? well just look at the rate of innocent people being locked up and executed then come back. people in power cannot be trusted to execute the right people.
kind of odd though that you don't trust authorities when it comes to vaccines but do when it comes to executing people...
I feel the same way about people who get the eugenics jab. I'm not anti-vax, but the experimental gene modification jab is not, by definition, a vaccination.
So, when people die or develop permanent injuries and disabilities, I figure they brought in on themselves by failing to learn the facts.
Vaccine isn't that effective tho. My parents were vaccinated but they still got corona but they didn't face any problems (maybe cuz of Vaccine? I don't know). I have a double sided opinion on this vaccine. I haven't got one myself cuz i had corona but it was asymptomatic so i am practically vaccinated and Vaccine would be useless for me atm. These are very confusing times and people just don't know what to do so instead of using their brain and logic they choose to believe opinions of these conspiracy theorists and follow their paths which kinda sucks like if they don't want the government to control their life then how come they get so manipulate by such similar arses.
Vaccines insert a controlled quantity of that virus along with some other immunity boosting stuff right? So as to train our immune system in advance. Fighting that virus naturally already does the job for a specific period of time (around 6 months i guess). Already getting antibodies naturally has to be more efficient than getting such through clinically generated vaccine. So that should make vaccine useless for that period of time.
That’s a little psycho of a feeling its like I think not wearing a helmet on a bicycle is a stupid thing. But if I see someone come off the bicycle and crack their skull open I’m not going to think oh well they did it to themselves I’d think poor soul.
As much as people urk me, I would still never wish death on someone for a different viewpoint than mine. But I can say I definetly don't care for the feelings of others and get entertainment out of people getting so bent out of shape when they can't FORCE someone to do what they want them to do, me personally, I will never get vaccinated, I rarely get sick, I haven't gotten sick this whole time will call this Covid shit going on, even though friends and family around me got sick, no-one died or even came close to it, burn me at the stake here but I believe the people that are dying have underlying conditions or covids not actually what killed them, its just a money grab for hospitals that mark down covid, though honestly I don't think that's a bad thing, but if I get it, and die from it, I guess you guys can tell me you told me so, stay woke or whatever
Covid has a 98.2% survival rate. The people that are dying from this disease are people that already have underlying health problems.
This vaccine was developed in a hurry and many people have had some pretty bad side effects from it. That is why so many people are skeptical about getting it.
I've heard about this man. I guess he kept denying that Covid is real until he died. I'm not sure about what I feel for them. But yes is also true that they won't be able to spread it anymore. This whole situation is complicated for everyone, whether or not you're in favor of vaccines.
The politicizing of this pandemic is a disgrace that both parties are responsible for. A lot of people look to our leaders for guidance and when somebody says they will not take the vaccine because it was created by a President that they hate it gives people the wrong message.
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