Well first of all if the survival rate is what you claimed, that will still result in 4 million deaths in the US.
Second, it's better that people get sick en masse later in the pandemic because as we learn to more effectively treat the virus, the lower the mortality rate will be:
The first wave only saw a small spike in cases but a huge spike in deaths due to the higher mortality rate at the time. And if the healthcare system gets overwhelmed people won't be able to be treated and the odds of dying from COVID-19 would go back to 1 in 30.
Finally, COVID doesn't just kill you, if you're healthy it will incapacitate you for weeks (it wasn't until late May 2020 that the number of people who died or had recovered of COVID was greater than half the total cases; basically up until that point most of the people who had caught covid were still sick with it). So if we let it rip, about 1/3rd of the population would be too sick to work for over a month.
If you want to get the shot he the shot.
Merck just announced a pill that gives you 50% chance of survival on top.
If your scare dog covid and your fat. You should be. You clearly didn't care about your life before so why do you now.
If your old go get the shot. And sit the fuck down. Your 70 your life coming to a end in 15 years anyway.
If you have autoimmune issue go get the shot. Everybody else will not die.
Won't half of Mexico or Africa, Philippines be wiped out if it was that bad. You know poor countries small medicine.
These white people tripping and trying to control people
Haha F*ck those other 700k who died to it, right? I mean Texas alone has had nearly 2k die from it in the last week, but hey, you are fine so we should just say screw it and just let this thing keep going right? It'll go away eventually right? I mean nevermind these new variants popping up because we tried to ignore it for so long.
I'm not even liberal, but come on and use some common sense and have some empathy.
The 700k deaths where mostly in the initial stages of back in 2020.
We can't keep living in some sort of fear and making people's lives miserable because a few here and there die which mostly are people very old anyways.
If someone desires to wear a mask in public for their safety then sure go right ahead but to make and mandate of other people to take the vaccine shot or get fired and to constantly make them wear a mask is beyond over kill at this point.
It is a pandemic, not having to wait in line at the dmv.
This isn't about being inconvenienced, this is about ensuring this thing doesn't get anymore out of control. The goal posts keep moving on what it will take to have those who are not taking this seriously enough to get on board.
Also, as for the mandates, listen nobody should be forced to put something in their body, but nobody is. They have every right to walk away from their job and some have and more power to them. When you ask to live in a free country and then get that very freedom, it seems hypocritical to complain about it.
They are free not to wear a mask. Their employer is not literally chaining them to a desk and taping a mask to their face, BUT the employer still has their own right to enforce work place safety guidelines which we agree to follow if we want to stay employed.
Yeah, it probably really sucks for those who choose to talk away, but they exercised their right to do so.
@ez-bri-z eventually you need to let people die. life isn't supposed to be safe... nor can it be
don't use strawman fallacies its immature. those deaths are actually preventable. covid 19 is not preventable. nothing you do can keep you safe
@ez-bri-z nope. those things didn't help prevent covid deaths at all... look at the science
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
www.medrxiv.org/.../2020.06.11.20128520v1
www.thelancet.com/.../fulltext
www.frontiersin.org/.../full
www.bloomberg.com/.../
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
to clarify yes vaccines work. but they don't guarantee you're safe. nothing can do that
right... now respond to all my links that show lockdowns masks and social distancing didn't really help at all
we destroyed the economy for no reason, an extra 150,000 people died from suicide and drugs because you couldn't just let 700k die like a sane person. they were doomed anyway
Of course they don't, but it helps similar to all the things I mentioned before that you called strawman.
The point is having an extra layer of safety. We have all those things I mentioned and yet people still get hurt and killed, but you are ok with them existing right? Why is this any different.
You just acknowledged the vaccine works. Not everyone can take it though. We use other measures to help stop the spread of it. Using all of the in tandem helps, not just any one item on its own
the difference is... lockdowns DON'T help. yet you like them anyway
this is called security theater. the process of pacifying stupid (mostly middle aged women) by giving them extra rules to make them feel safe. we do it at airports for example with metal detectors even though 50% of attempts to get guns on planes are still successful
700k so far. This isn't just suddenly over today. We didn't win the pandemic.
If it had been taken seriously from the beginning we might have had a real shot at this being mitigated in some ways MONTHS ago. Instead we played political parties against one another over a mask. Thats what ruined the economy. Our government leaders didn't take it seriously so the economic ones did and made those decisions for them.
you have no idea what you're talking about. the lockdowns DIDN'T WORK. they saw NO impact on the pandemic
mankind does not have the technology to really stop a pandemic. those 700k deaths were going to happen anyways and there is NO EVIDENCE that we reduced that in any way. but we DO HAVE EVIDENCE you killed an extra 150k people by locking down
you made things worse
I can tell you are getting a little heated about this. Your willingness to sacrifice over 700k American lives is noted. You have no real evidence those were directly related to the pandemic either. Perhaps they were already suicidal.
For now, I'm leaving this at agree to disagree.
as long as you speak in terms of willingness you still don't get it. 700k HAD to die. there was no way around it. no policy, no behavior to change. nothing could save them
no, they really did have to die. there was no saving them. no policy you could change to save them
i maintain the same rules for my own family. 98% chance they would survive anyways. my neighbors had it, my dad had it. they were fine
you use your heart, not your brain
no you don't use your brain. you blindly assert those 700k people didn't need to die despite all historical data on pandemics showing they can't be stopped and factors outside of policy affect them
They didn't NEED to die. If you were using your brain you'd understand that. It may not have been preventable but they sure as hell didn't need to.
Even then I assert if our government at the time had any urgency in their initial response and not goofed around to make a political point or throw around racist rhetoric and just worked to solve the issues, we could have severely impacted the number of deaths both current and future.
the government didn't... use any racist rhetoric? what?
the deaths were not preventable. the government did all it could. lets look at how this really works
there are 4 factors that determine how a nation will do in a pandemic. none of which are your choice and you can't change them
1. geography matters; the more flat and open a country is the more badly hit by a pandemic. conversely islands are always the least hit by any pandemic
2. different countries get different strains of a virus and thus all comparisons between countries are apples and oranges. but Asian countries got a lesser strain in this pandemic
3. the larger your economy the more hit you are by a pandemic because you are more globally connected and traveled to
4. the more free your country is the harder hit by the pandemic you are and the less you can hide your casualties
as you can see america is pre disposed to do very badly in any pandemic and there is NOTHING we can do about that
Uh yeah they did. Trump specifically called it "kung flu" while at a convention with kids. He tried on multiple occasions to blame everything on China and denied responsibility for any of the deaths here though his lack of action specifically contributed to it.
Again, I think you seem to be confused around the ideas of there is nothing we can do vs nothing we did do, or more sickeningly, actively worked against our own interests.
When parts of our country were running out of ventilators, Trump authorized and spent $200 million to send ones we did have to countries who didn't even need them. His administration bucked responsibility of helping out certain states who didn't vote for him of federal assistance.
More people died in this pandemic than probably should have due to the dangerous rhetoric of a would be tyrant and the cult that follows him.
People would have died, yes, but those numbers would not have been this high if we looked more towards the safety of our population and less towards his poll numbers.
ok i see the problem now you are the victim of fake news. we NEVER ran out of ventillators. never came close. the media was just trying to scare you because fear makes you watch
ZERO people in america died from lack of a ventillator NOT ONE
Proof that absolutely none died?
I'll save you the trouble, you won't find any. The reason for that is that it isn't a stat that is tracked. It was well known though that icu beds were no longer available in some places and that some were so overwhelmed by deaths that they had to bring in refrigerated trucks to hold bodies.
so you have no proof for the things you say? but you believe them anyways
There is plenty of proof that icu's were overloaded. People were being shipped to other states here because they simply just didn't have the beds or equipment.
There is just no documentation that exists that says this person specifically died due to lack of a bed/ventilator access. They could have died even with it. It's just an impossible metric to measure. What you can do is use common sense to say, "hey, they probably didn't have much of a chance without better medical access."
what evidence do we have that ICU were actually out of beds? "overloaded" can just mean they were close to capacity but never reached it
this is fear porn. they aren't really out they just convert other space into ICU beds
as i said already a good hospital is 70% full every day anyways
yup sorry i know how this stuff works and you don't. they can make extra space into ICU at any time... and they do. They are NOT out of space. and they didn't run out of space in 2020 either.
nobody failed to get ventillator. trump did nothing wrong
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Amazing how seasonal flu mysteriously vanished, and the total fatality rate of last year was typical for any other year. The flu didn't go away. It was rebranded.
The whole masquerade was for money. And libs made it a cult.
It's annoying. I'm just gonna leave this video here on how governments should have been treating it.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/_ItkYhFiGBI
Because it's not about a virus, it's about control.
This.
No, it's that the right just wants people to live in fear of the virus while the left stands against it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqNAEx1lm4&t=93s
@Ad_Quid_Orator moron, here you go switching terms. You think it makes you look smart, but you're an idiot.
People in the right aren't living in fear. It's you idiots who follow ScIENce who are still scared. You make a retarded statement like that while 100,000s of thousands of people are packing NFL, college stadiums on a weekly basis. Red states are walking around without mask mandates and vaccine passports.
Of all your stupid spin-doctoring, this is one of the stupidest.
Yeah they aren't, and looks what's happening to them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYUndy7hiR4&t=137s
@Ad_Quid_Orator Wow, now who's lying from omission. How many conservatives survive covid and don't get on a video where they're mocked for dying? Moron.
@Ad_Quid_Orator So you can't answer the question, moron. Keep living in your little pandemic fear bubble.
Yeah "living" unlike the 700,000 who have stepped outside it and died. 
@Ad_Quid_Orator yeah, because there's none of the 700,000 who were "following the rules" and died from covid. 🤡
Oh, so COVID is killing people who are still everything right. Well thanks for validating the necessity of vaccine and mask mandates.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, no, that’s your retarded interpretation. So, as I stated at the start, you only care about controlling people, not about controlling a virus. It’s evident in your lack of scientific knowledge.
When an authoritarian regime comes to power, their boogeyman is always a subversive faction or hostile nation (CCP, the USSR (as in Nazi Germany), BLM, Antifa (both Nazi Germany and the American right)) versus a force of nature. And if it was about control, restrictions wouldn't have been more laxed when we had lower case loads. However, downplaying the severity of natural disasters has a long history of being used to reconcile private power through practices like predatory lending.
COVID restrictions were never about expanding public power and downplaying the severity of the virus was always about expanding unaccountable private power.
@Ad_Quid_Orator no, you mouthbreathing moron, when the nazis began their attack on jews, they started by calling them “diseased” and “a threat to the German citizen’s health”. But nice try. You worked hard on being an idiot that time.
Oh so I see by your logic calling a pathogen a disease is as bad as calling people a disease. I heard some ridiculous examples of reducto hitlerum but this is ridiculous.
but this *takes the cake.
I’m just giving you the exact words you branch covidians are using against people who don’t want the shots. Sorry you don’t like reality
Nope you opened up that can of worms with comparing not having a vaccine card to a yellow badge. But you remember how you said that if people are afraid of the virus they can stay home? Well now if you're afraid of the vaccine, you can do the same :)
@Ad_Quid_Orator I’m just making you responsible for your own words. Fuckstick, no one’s “afraid’ of this vaccine. That’s another imaginary scenario you created. Healthy people decided rationally they don’t need the vaccine. But you don’t care about their health, say it with me because you prove it time and time again, it’s about controlling them.
Oh boy, more of your libtard "me generation" attitude -_-
Getting vaccinated isn't just about you, it's about preventing the spread of the virus and limiting opportunities for the virus to mutate into variants that vaccinations and are even less effective against.
Yeah, you love FREEdom so much that you want the virus that came into being because people were FREE to keep all sorts of animals who wouldn't have had any interactions naturally so closely confined in cages that they were breathing, spitting and pissing on each other to spread FREEly through the population and have ample FREEdom to mutate into new variants undoing what has been done so 1/7th of the populations doesn't have to either chose between staying cooped in their homes or playing a round of Russian Roulette.
@Ad_Quid_Orator We’ve already established these leaky shots do not stop the spread. Sorry.
Your gaslighting won’t work, dude. I’m much smarter than you.
You idiots try to convince people that their freedoms are selfishness…. they’ve said “no”.
You’ve demanded I stay inside. My reply to you is “no”
You’ve demanded I wear a mask. My reply to you is “no”
You’ve demanded I get these shots. My reply to you is “no”.
Are you starting to get it, yet? You little piss-ant dictator wannabes have no power.
Oh, a study comparing counties shows no correlation between vaccination rates and covid spread. Well this coming from the side that likes to argue that because the areas with the most gun crime have the tightest gun control (ignoring that they flipped the cause and effect).
There was no law that said people have to stay in their homes.
We didn't demand you wear a mask, we said wear a mask or risk getting fined.
We didn't demand that you get those shots, just don't work for a big company if you do where you can spread your filth.
But for so long you demanded that 1/7th of the population stay inside or play a round of Russian roulette (1/30 chance of dying of covid if left untreated with 70% of the population getting implying a 1/42 extinction rate) and in the 2020 presidential, 2021 Georgia runoff and Cali recall elections, America said no.
@Ad_Quid_Orator More than one study, shit for brains. Your morons at the CDC just stopped counting breakthrough infections because they want to hide the numbers.
“Spread your filth”. You love your nazi propaganda. Shove it up your ass. You are a piece of shit.
Your made up mathematical models were debunked 17 months ago. No one believes that shit except you.
So again, I will not comply with your bullshit. And you don’t have the balls to back up your threats to fine me or fire me. You’re a pussy.
More than one study what?
You're the one who deemed millions of Americans as untermensch worthy of death because you don't want to be inconvenienced by wearing a mask.
The prediction of those mathematical models wasn't realized because with mask mandates, they were prevented.
Kinda hard for me to do something about you when I don't know where you are. BUT the reverse isn't true for you so are you gonna come here and back the fronting you posted on the other thread?
@Ad_Quid_Orator Stupid fuck, I’m not the one claiming to be an internet tough guy who posts he will kill for his beliefs on a dumb question and answer site. Unlike you scumbags on the left, if someone actually went to your section 8 apartment and killed you, I wouldn’t be cheering on this site about it.
the models were wrong because they were full of shit. Just like you are.
I won’t wear a mask because they’re ineffective and healthy people don’t need to wear a mask for any reason. And if your shitty shot worked, you wouldn’t have to wear one after getting them, either.
I said that I would fight for my beliefs if they were threatened. Thankfully, because your little 01/06 coup attempt failed that hasn't been necessary. But your punk ass knows that if your ass got beat senseless, it wouldn't be hard for me to make a self defense case because you already threatened me here (with an account that literally has your name on it).
The models weren't realized because people headed their warning because this is America, not China where policy makers are accountable to their constituency (and were warnings like the 2003 SARS outbreak weren't heeded which is what landed us in the mess that we are with the free market virus).
@Ad_Quid_Orator Your ideas will never see the light of day in America. Socialism is for losers. You’re a loser. You also wouldn’t beat anything. You’re all talk. Nothing but talk.
This from someone reduced to blabbering.
@Ad_Quid_Orator bro, you can’t even afford a home. I doubt you’ll be tearing up the political arena any time soon.
Actually my rent payment is close to what the average person pays on monthly mortgage payments for a home. But yeah, owning a home means you're super successful.
@Ad_Quid_Orator yeah, you’re making your capitalist landlord very wealthy.
And you're making banks very wealthy when you get and pay for a home loan and the practices that they used to maximize profit which could be described as irresponsible at best and predatory at worst caused the housing bubble to burst.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, I’m making myself wealthy too. Just pulled out 20k in equity.
OK, so you owe less on your house. A loan used to buy it is still making someone rich who did nothing to earn it.
@Ad_Quid_Orator They opened themselves up to the risk of me not paying them back. They provided the money I didn’t have to purchase the house. You really can’t be this stupid, can you?
Oh I'm all to aware of the risks involved in this (just like a landlord risks buying a unit that no one wants to rent in) and their eagerness to take risks for short term profit caused shit to hit the fan in 2008. Just like (to get back on the main issue of this post after you derailed the argument) the CCP let people trade live wild animals ("lifted the regulatory burden off small businesses) to make a quick buck and now we're all paying for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54&t=328s
@Ad_Quid_Orator you are stuck on stupid. the Kung flu came from a lab, get that through you thick skull.
Oh, and now you’re down to 2 months immunity for your Pfizer shot. So roll up your sleeve indefinitely.
www.cnn.com/.../index.html
Bahahahahaha. You stupid fuck. Now your immune system is on a subscription service.
Oh yeah some people who worked at that lab were sick in the Fall of 2019 (as they were every other year) so it must have been from that lab. Oh oh wait, no it's because it spreads faster in humans than than the zoonotic strain it was derived from (like every other pandemic causing disease). No, came about because people were ahem* free to keep bats and pangolins together which is why we were able to trace the evolution of the virus from bat and pangolin coronaviruses. Kinda like how the SARS outbreak happened (although it was palm civets instead of pangolins).
Waning immunity doesn't mean that it's ineffective. But this is why you have to get as many people immunized as quickly as possible; to shut down the virus before said immunity can wane. Thanks for validating the need for a mandate again bahahahahahaha.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you fucking retard, vaccination rates are going down since the mandate, fuckstick. people aren’t going to be threatened by you pussies. Oh, and it came from a lab you shit for brains. Cry about it some more.
The percent of the population vaccinated over time will follow a sigmoid pattern:
I. e. the vaccination rate will go down once you pass the inflection point which we did long before any mandate was put in place. Your argument is as stupid as asking "why wasn't the virus spreading exponentially in January and February 2020"?
And if it came from a lab, COVID-19s evolutionary origins would be traced to coronaviruses that usually infect organisms that are commonly raised in labs (mice, guniea pigs, etc...) and it sure as hell wouldn't be traced to a pangolin coronavirus because pangolins are notoriously difficult to breed in captivity.
@Ad_Quid_Orator pssst, it came from a lab, moron.
If it did it would have been derived from viruses that infect animals that could reproduce once a month. Those that only reproduce once a year (like I don't know, bats and pangolins) are lousy test subjects.
@Ad_Quid_Orator fauci used your tax dollars to infect the world with cov2.
Fauci used our tax dollars to fund virus research in an area where we knew (from the '03 SARS outbreak) that people were doing stupid shit in the wet markets and had it not been for the research done by the WIV in late 2019, (in spite of the best attempts of the CCP to cover for their fuck up of letting the market decide these things) the first wave would have been worse than it was.
@Ad_Quid_Orator gain of function, bitch boy. He killed 700,000 people in the us and makes you wear a double-diaper on your face.
Viral recombination by keeping animals in proximity to each other that they would never have been in naturally. Again, if you're doing gain of function research, bats and pangolins are lousy test animals.
@Ad_Quid_Orator now you get to take endless boosters to keep you from getting the virus your tax dollars paid for. One every 2 months. They got you, sucka.
Now with people unvaccinated kept out of the public sphere, the viral case rate in the population will be so low that attenuated immunity will be sufficient to prevent a resurgence (look up how SIR patterns work before you talk BS).
@Ad_Quid_Orator yeah, except you’re not keeping the unvaccinated out of the public sphere, moron. Hopefully none of your boosters give you blood clots
Oh, and your lockdowns were useless too
www.tandfonline.com/.../13571516.2021.1976051
OK semantics, either way you're curtailing the spread by keeping people who aren't vaccinated out of workplaces that have 100+ employees.
And the author of the study didn't deny that lockdowns prevented people from dying but that the economic cost outweighed the lives saved. However, he completely forgot that viruses don't just kill you, they incapacitate you. Also that review was full of cherry picked data points and he forgot that places with conditions more conducive to the spread of the virus would also impose stricter lockdowns for that reason.
@Ad_Quid_Orator pssst. retard... you people who got the shots are the super spreaders.
Has contact tracing produced any data that indicated most of the transmission was by people who were vaccinated (relative to the percent of the population who has been vaccinated) or are you talking out of your ass again?
@Ad_Quid_Orator look at Harvard. Look at Israel. Look at the UK. Since the CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases to keep the lie going in the US you won't get any real data. But this next booster will surely fix everything. I just feel it in my bones for you! Then you can finally wear a mask everywhere you go and have to be tested to get back into your own country.
Again, do you have any contact tracing analysis that indicated that vaccinated people in those countries were responsible for more transmissions relative to what fraction of the population that they constitute?
@Ad_Quid_Orator Harvard has ~90% vaccination rate and had so many cases they had to go to virtual learning. That's all the proof you need. Sorry pal, the shot sucks.
In order for herd immunity from vaccination to be effective at curtailing the spread of the virus within a population, you can't have transmission from a source outside of said population and Harvard isn't an isolated community; people who go there have regular interactions with people off campus. Now if the rest of Massachusetts (or the country for that matter) had comparable vaccination rates, this wouldn't be a problem. Thanks again for validating the need for mandates at the federal level.
But tell me, when all this is over and the restrictions are lifted accordingly, how are you going to answer for all the BS you spit about this being an attempt to seize power?
Oh wait, I think I know. When the government clamps down on practices conducive to the genesis of zoonotic pandemics (overuse of antibiotics in factory farms, development projects that encroach on natural habitats) you'll say, "see see, they're still trying to reconcile more power.
@Ad_Quid_Orator I'll concede I was wrong right after the Patriot Act is repealed.
The Patriot act was passed as a result of a terrorist attack, not COVID because authoritarian factions use either subversive factions (BLM) or a foreign country as their boogeyman, not forces of nature.
But how many times was the Patriot Act invoked to detain opponents of lockdown measures?
@Ad_Quid_Orator It was the government taking advantage of a scary issue to take away your rights. So right after the patriot act is repealed, I'll believe that government really has your best interests at heart and will return your rights to you after a threat is over. Just like masks, removing your shoes and being unable to take liquids more than 2oz on board is nothing but safety theater.
and psst... covid cases are crashing despite our vaccination rate not going up to 98%.
"So right after the patriot act is repealed, I'll believe that government really has your best interests at heart"
You talk about the government like it's a single monolith. News flash, despite the efforts of the previous administration, we don't live in a dictatorship. But remind me, how many died from terror attacks and how many were killed by COVID?
And COVID cases are "crashing" because a new variant evolved that vaccines are less effective against. We want to stop this, we need to deny the virus an opportunity to mutate into yet more strains just like if you want antibiotics to keep working, you gotta follow through on treatment.
@Ad_Quid_Orator meet the new boss, same as the old boss, lol. You can't stop a virus from mutating with leaky vaccines. Why don't you get this simple fact. Well I know why. You don't believe in science, you believe in a religion.
Yeah because "religion" is why things like measels, smallpox, polio etc... are no where near as prevalent as they were in the past (and the vaccines for those weren't 100% effective or as you call it "leaky" either).
Neither vaccines nor antibiotics are 100% effective, but that's why a single dose or calling getting it an "individual choice" isn't effective in the long term; you either want to live in fear of a pathogen or you're in it to win it.
@Ad_Quid_Orator measles, smallpox and polio were cured by actual vaccines that did what they were intended to do. If they were only 39% effective then we'd still have those diseases around also.
It is 94% effective against the strain that it was intended to prevent and measles and polio weren't causing pandemics when vaccines were produced that were specific to them (i. e. they didn't have as many opportunities to mutate into new variants). And while different studies have shown varying degrees of effectiveness (some even showed 88% effectiveness against the delta variant; you just cherry picked the one that showed the lowest effectiveness) more people getting vaccinated along with mask mandates means the virus has a lower chance of mutating into another variant before we have a delta specific vaccine. You were asking why governments were still asking people to social distance even when vaccinated, well now you know. It's not about control, and the anti vaxx movement was never about freedom, it was only ever about exploitation.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you're so god damned stupid. A vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread does not prevent the creation of variants. It encourages them.
Evolution is a blind watchmaker; the virus doesn't think "oh shoot, they're developing vaccines so I'd better mutate into a new variant". If a resistant variant is to come into being, it needs an opportunity to mutate into said variant in the first place and the fewer people it infects (and less people will get infected even if it's 39% effective) the fewer opportunities it has to mutate.
I see the anti-science stance the right took from the evolution vs. creation debate is spilling over into the pandemic. People asked why the debate was so important in the '00s, this is why.
@Ad_Quid_Orator That's 39% of the 60% who got the shots. Not 39% of the population. The only ones shrugging off these variants are those with natural immunity. I'm hoping you dirty vaccinated people stay away from me.
Even if that was true (it's not),
www.cdc.gov/.../s0806-vaccination-protection.html
www.factcheck.org/.../
you're still giving the virus more opportunities to mutate into new variants that vaccination and natural immunity are even less effective against. But yeah, not enough people are vaccinated to prevent the virus from outpacing medical advancements, hence the need for vaccine and mask mandates.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you're an anti-science freak. You don't mandate leaky shots that don't prevent the spread, moron.
You're calling me anti science when you can't tell that a fight against a pathogen is an arms race? Complaining about it being leaky when too few people are getting it is like calling antibiotics useless because people don't follow through on treatment. Again, the shit the right spit in the '00s is spilling over today.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you are an unclean disease spreader. your opinion is invalid.
And you're just a babbling triggered libtard snowflake.
@Ad_Quid_Orator hurr durr libtard. idiot.
It's post 2020; Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't the only term that's getting a new meaning.
@Ad_Quid_Orator only in your retarded brain.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Let's Go Brandon! What's lower? the covid shot effectiveness or Corn Pop's approval rating?
Your IQ.
@Ad_Quid_Orator maybe you can go visit him on his fake White House set.
Maybe you should compare him to the candidate you were rooting for.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/.../
@Ad_Quid_Orator you voted for a guy who has a White House playhouse. Shut the fuck up.
What are you talking about?
@Ad_Quid_Orator I guess its comforting for you to know he doesn’t know the difference
nypost.com/.../
Oh he used a set. Boo fucking hoo.
Is this what you've been reduced to?
@Ad_Quid_Orator aww, that’s the best you can do to defend the senile old man?
Again, oh no he used a set for an interview. And?
@Ad_Quid_Orator it’s nice they let him think he’s president. I bet they give him crayons to sign all his executive orders and an extra pudding cup if he’s been a good boy.
And it's nice to think this is making a case against him. Whatever feeds your delusions.
@Ad_Quid_Orator aw, a fake set for a fake president and that’s the best you got? Tell me how great he’s doing. I can’t wait to read this one
See this, this is you now:
@Ad_Quid_Orator oh so you handle it like you do your whole life. With spin and bullshit. You’re his perfect supporter.
And now you're just using baseless assertions.
@Ad_Quid_Orator aw, and now you’re hurt no one buys your bullshit.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you really should take this moment in history and rejoice.
White people: hate joe Biden
Black people: hate joe Biden
Hispanics: hate joe Biden
Asians: hate joe Biden
Gays: hate joe Biden
Straights: hate joe Biden
Trannies: hate joe Biden.
He has truly united the country.
His net approval rating (calculated by averaging polling data) is -4.9%. For +95% of his term in office, Trump had a lower approval rating.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. You are such a silly manlet.
Oh boy, more ad hominems -_-
@Ad_Quid_Orator you’re right…if you take the square root of Biden’s popularity and multiply it by the earth’s rotation times the number of stars in galaxy anatares 3 on a Thursday in November then it proves he’s not a senile fuck that everyone hates. Makes perfect sense. Clown
If by everyone, you mean less than half of the US population then yeah.
@Ad_Quid_Orator no I mean about 72% now. Except for you clowns More people have died under Biden from covid than under Trump. clearly he handled the pandemic better. And that makes you hurt in your heart.
You're using a single poll to draw that conclusion while I'm using an aggregate.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you are making up numbers to try to justify the disaster you voted for. Clown
The disaster that prevented 174 thousand more deaths since 01/20/2021?
Oh yeah you think people being worried about a needle is more important than that because the big bad government is doing it.
@Ad_Quid_Orator No one is worried about a needle you twat
Oh, it's about "Freedom"? Oh wait no, it's about exploitation/disaster capitalism.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, now you’re starting the socialist bullshit. GTFOH.
Well it's becoming popular now that the free market virus has exposed capitalisms' failings.
@AD
Capitalism’s failings? Yes, yes. So many people are fleeing the horrors of America for a better life in N. Korea and Cuba and China and every other 3rd world communist hell hole. Why they’re even fleeing the horrors of America for socialist Islamafied Europe.
Haven’t you seen the news? People clinging to the landing gear of air planes for a better life in socialist Canada.
Yes, you’re so right. Capitalism is such a huge failure. To the extent even out f*cking homeless people are fat!
@Exterminatore The US didn't become the greatest country on Earth (measured by standards of living) when we unleashed capitalism during the gilded age. It was during the progressive Era where we curtailed capitalism. And China was lagging even further behind the US before communism came to be in it.
@AD
All that fancy talk and yet you cannot see the simple truth I placed in front of you.
Who is fleeing from the US? No one….. yet.
Progressive era…. guided age….. blah blah blah. This is rather simple. People are coming here in mass, not leaving here in mass. What does that tell you? Can you understand that or do you need more fancy book learning and lots of jargon and silly terms to look around and see what is readily visible?
@Exterminatore They are also fleeing the third world where everything is privatized.
@AD
One of my favorite things in life is to confront people with their BS.
So I say put your money where your mouth is. If America is so bad….. leave. Let me know when you’ve done it. I hear Afghanistan is a lovely place free of the tyranny of capitalism and free speech. Flee the land where you will get free college money and free lifetime healthcare for a mere 4 years of active duty in the service. Oh that’s right. I never heard Bernie tell people you can get free college for joining the military. Never hear these leftists mention you get free lifetime healthcare for 4 years of active duty and an honorable discharge. All I here is whinny turds demanding these things but not being willing to sacrifice 4 years or their otherwise useless lives to get them.
Dude I’m board of this conversation. You want to use fancy terms and make references to the 3rd world instead of just admitting your wrong. That America isn’t so bad and we have it better here than most everywhere in the world. Instead you want to bitch and whine about capitalism. So I say put your money where your mouth is and leave. To to the communist paradise of Cuba which is untainted by the evils of capitalism.
@Exterminatore
"I hear Afghanistan is a lovely place free of the tyranny of capitalism and free speech."
Uh Communism fell there in 1992. But if you want to go where pure capitalism exists, put your money where your mouth is and go to the third world were the economy has much less government involvement and capitalism has nothing to do with free speech.
Because in MY country, 700,000 human lives have been lost to ignorance about Covid. There will be more for the same reason.
Here is my fact check. Masks don't stop anything.
It must be because they care so much for people of all political ideologies. I dont think that they would do it just to be assholes. Would they?
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