Should antivaxxers sign release forms to keep themselves from being treated in hospitals for illnesses they refuse to get vaccinated for?

[Dazed0N0Confused]

If there is a vaccine & you refuse it, don't go to the doctors to get treatment when you catch something that has a vaccine. Just pray it away & have your religious deity heal you.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

No. People who fear and avoid all germs, wear masks and use hand sanitizer 10 times a day should have to sign a release agknologing that makes their immune systems weaker and causes them to be more likely to die.

Case in point, my sister was OCD and afraid of germs. I eat off the floor and drink milk I left out all night. When we get the same sickness, I'm using over it in two days and she is usually over it in two weeks.

I don't usually need a vaccine. It won't make any difference to me. I actually help people like you out by not getting one and letting you have the doses.

And they do work. So why do you care if I get sick?

Imagine if you had a job doing physical labor but you avoided it as much as possible, refused to get your work done, and then said the other guys should have to sign a release that if they got in an accident they shouldn't get medical care because they didn't avoid every risk at all costs.

The reason covid was able to spread so quickly was because so many people have such weak immune systems. There aren't more dieseses than their used to be. There are less. People are just far weaker because they kill their own immune systems by not using them.

But hey, Joe's on you. I couldn't get hospitalized for covid if I tired. 99.9% of people who get it are absolutely fine unless they have other health problems. I don't, because I've been building strength my whole life while you've been washing yours away.

I honestly think it's Darwinism. Weak and unfit individuals die and leave the resources to the rest of us. If you have a problem with half the country because they don't want to go get an untrustworthy and experimental injection that's your problem. We will literally be just fine.

And no hospital is going to support you either. Treating sick people is literally how they make their money and they have tons of beds open and waiting for a customer.

On the off chance I get some terrible dieseas that actually is dangerous, it won't be something the vaccine would have protected against, and the hospital will be glad to have me.

But I'll gladly sign your form if you agree to give me the $200 you want the government to spend putting an experimental shot in me In cash up front. I have a very strong immune system. I'm ready for this stuff before the vaccines even come out.

People who avoid germs are the reason we don't have heard immunity from day one

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

I'd say you sound like a man that grew up reading warning about the use of antibacterial soaps and products that promised 99.99% of germs killed with their use; but you're considerably younger than me.

Frankly, there's a fairly reasonably statement to be made correlating the explosion of the covid19 virus directly to the complete lack of immunity people have been developing since the early 2000s.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I grew up literally watching my sister wash her hands till they bled, getting the same sicknesses I did, and being ten times as sick for ten times as long.

And also, listening to George Carlin. youtu. be/-Y-yH_Qyipc

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Scientists were warning about this happening all the way back to the 90s. It's crazy how stupid people are about science. The only times people care is if politicians tell them what to think or politically backed studies show a result congruent with a political talking point.

[rcljr]

Bingo !

[rcljr]

The OCD hand sanitizer freaks are the ones responsible for the planets loss of immunity.

[abc3643]

No, What my hospital currently does is ask a battery of questions about COVID before you are treated and these questions are asked by every new person who sees you. Also, you are required to wear a mask at all times in the hospital - vaccinated or not.

[Starrisunset]

Some people aren't comfortable with taking the vaccine including myself. As others are saying, we don't know the long term side effects. Haven't you seen the lawyer commercials "you may be titled to compensation if..." something tells me a few years from now we'll be seeing commercials like that for this vaccine. It was so rushed. There were already instances of people getting blood clots from it... that's only the immediate side effects we've seen.

[rcljr]

I cannot take it, my triple bypass failed, I only have 1 artery over the top of my heart pumping blood.

[Starrisunset]

@rcljr oh wow, I'm sorry 😕

[Smoke-n-Growls]

I'm up for that.

Technically if anti-vaxxers actually listened to their own logic fully, they wouldn't go to hospital at all. They'd just yell, deny, slap some essential oils or bleach on themselves, and blame the Democrats or the Socialists when they die.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I'm not an anti-vaxer but Id rather get covid than the covid vaccine any day.

My logic is that there is essentially 0 chance that I won't be absolutely fine on my own, so I won't be needing a hospital in thr first place.

It's funny how people who want the vaccine to be mandatory afraid of getting sick, but people who don't worry that stuff about it aren't afraid at all.

It's almost like avoiding germs makes you less able to defend yourself againt them.

Actually, it's not almost like that, it's been proven.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Lol, not an anti-vax, doesn't like the vaccine.

Lol, even frontline healthcare workers die with full hospital support - but hey, your logic will definitely keep you immune.

It's funny how people who don't worry about catching COVID die.

It's almost like avoiding vaccines makes you vulnerable to viruses.

Actually, it's not almost like that, it's been proven.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Even the CDC says covid has a 99.9% survival rate.

I'm not opposed you you getting the vaccine. I've got plenty of flu shots in the past.

But this is a brand new experimental type of vaccine and I don't trust the motivation to try to force everyone to get it after seeing the government mess my friends mind up for s year with a single shot.

Trump is over 70, didn't get the vaccine, got covid and was back to work in two weeks. His son got it too, and literally didn't even know he was sick.

It's almost like you don't know that even your side admits that it has a 99.9% survival rate.

I'm tough shit. My lungs and immune system are both far better than average. And I'm 24.

I'm absolutely not afraid to get covid. I'm more likely to die in a car accident than I am to die from covid. And I chose to ride a motorcycle, because I'm not afraid to enjoy life.

Do some research on the fatality rate. Literally nobody says it's over 1%.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Why are you laughing about it though. You sound like Kamala Harris.

[rcljr]

You do know that ALL municipalities put things way stronger than bleach in drinking water, right? And when said municipalities need to clean the water lines they use a high percentage bleach to burn out impurities, so every single day you are exposed to bleach… enjoy ! Maybe you need to add another packet of that liberal kool aid to kill the taste.

[Mangospacho]

Hospitals can’t deny treatment anyway and most people in the ER are there even if they were negligent and will still receive treatment. With this logic, you’d have to refuse treatment to anyone that was acting negligent. Anyone there with a drug overdose, alcohol poisoning, car accident victims (the ones that were driving negligent) would also be refused treatment as well. If you, as a doctor, could look at someone dying and have the ability to treat them and save their life and just sit there and let them die because they didn’t take precautions, then you should not be in the medical field.

[Celtero]

Lol... what a stupid thing to say.

Let me explain this to you like the child you are.

When the hospital treats someone, they get MONEY.

Maybe you'd have a point if we had socialized healthcare...
But I suppose the real purpose is to let everyone know how much you hate unvaccinated people and how you want them to be punished.

[Adam1978]

So smokers shouldn't be treated for smoke related issues. Vaccination people not for any side effects. And so on because they made s decision that lead to their state. Why don't you just shutdown the hospital and open a office filled with asholes who will find a reason for every person to suffer. Because that is basically what idiotic statement like this would bubble down to.

[rcljr]

They already have offices filled with useless tit head anal retentive rectally centered control freak assholes, it’s called the Democratic Party.

[cth96190]

If I became unwell, which is extremely unlikely, I would not go anywhere near a hospital.
They clowns there would put a tube down my throat and kill me that day.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/sunday-live-cdc-website-reveals-covid-injections-killed-more-people-than-virus-in-recent-weeks/

[cth96190]

Women suffer devastating neurological damage after COVID-19 vaccination.
www.infowars.com/.../

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I'd rather get covid than let the government put experimental drugs in me any day.

Side effects are one thing. But I have seen what they do to people they don't like behind closed doors and I'd rather have a dangerous disease than let them put the brain tap in me.

Seriously. The girl I met there was fine when she went in and literally couldn't hold a normal conversation for a whole year when she came out.

I'm not afraid of the side effects. I'm afraid to tell a government funded organization my name and then let them inject me because I've see them turn people into zombies with a single shot.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

And, that isn't a theory. I was there, and I saw how hard it was for her to recover from it.

[MotorcycleMan]

While I feel strongly that everyone has a responsibility to the rest of society to get vaccinated, I also feel that when it comes to being injected with something that personal choice has to take precedence. It's pretty frustrating though that people make this choice and then fill up hospital beds while people who need treatment for other issues can't come in.

[Hawner]

When that choice affects not only yourself but others as well, you must think on what's best for the majority, not what you think is easier for you.

[Andres77]

@Hawner if you're vaccinated why are you worried about whether another is vaccinated?

[Hawner]

@Andres77 Because if someone is not vaccinated, when they get the illness, they take a hospital bed that could help someone who had an accident, for example.
Or when the vaccines completely kills the virus instead of just protecting you from the symptoms, if you don't vaccinate, you can get infected and infect other people that aren't yet vaccinated but want to, possibly killing them in the process.
I don't want an idiot that goes around unvaccinated by choice being the reason I lose a friend or a family member.
Is that a good enough reason for worrying?

[MotorcycleMan]

@Hawner Additionally, even though I am vaccinated, I can still carry the virus and pass it on to others who are not. Not as easily, for sure, but it can happen. Stopping the virus takes most people getting vaccinated along with social distancing and hygiene.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I don't think we've had a single hospital out of beds since the vaccine came out.

The only thing stopping people getting knee replacements is the fear mongering and the forced lockdown over a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.

[Hawner]

@Lost_in_the_Woods first of all, if since the vaccine came out there are enough beds (enough for a hospital, which is still not many), don't you think you should keep getting people vaccinated so that doesn't change?

Secondly, 1% survival rate? Let's say for a moment that is accurate (it is not). What is the rate of patients with permanent respiratory sequels that will need medical assistance FOR LIFE, with all the economic problems that does bring?
Don't dismiss an illness just because people MAY survive it, some lucky ones even without any symptoms. There is more to it that just the survival rate.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

The beds have been empty since long before the vaccine came out. If you were paying attention you would know that.

Also, 1% survival rate?

It's really awkward that you literally don't know the difference between survival and fatality or 1% and 0.1%.

That actually explains a lot.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Even the CDC says the fatality rate is well under 1%.

Nobody says it's over that.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Hawner]

@Lost_in_the_Woods You are correct, I misspoke. Instead of saying "1% survival rate" (which is obviously wrong, especially since you already estated that it is 99% (which, again, is wrong)) I should have said "1% lethality rate". I don't know why I used the same term you did for the opposite concept. That is on me. Thank you for focusing on the actual mistake on my whole argument and trying to use it to insult my intelligence. That isn't childish at all.

Empty hospitals? Oh, yeah, I forgot that you have to pay for the treatment, which makes people think five times before going to the doctor, which makes any medical situation worse, and when a pandemic like this one appears, you are completely unprepared for this crisis.
In any case, how many times do the news, of any kind, retort that hospital are filled with patients do to this or that disease? Check your facts.

Since you haven't been able to counter my other arguments, I can consider this debate closed. Bye!

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Umm, the hospitals were barley full a year ago.

Remember all the flash mob dance videos the doctors were making?

I don't know what news you are watching, but it's common knowledge that the hospitals haven't been overwhelmed for a very long time.

In the United States and Europe. India and the middle East are still having trouble.

Just look at the graph of the infection rate. Your facts are a year old at best.

But shit, why would you listen to me when you don't even listen to the doctors or the CDC, or know the difference between survival rate and lethality rate. 🤦🏼‍♂️

The issue is still that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[MotorcycleMan]

It's unfortunate really. These are just people trying to make the right decisions with the information they have and unfortunately there is just too much misinformation out there. As a wide generality though, I'm going to trust scientists, and especially experts in their field who have dedicated lifetimes to study over a politician any day. It's my understanding that politicians have been known to fib a little.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Science has never demanded everyone get vaccinated.

Science usually recommends a much longer testing period.

And science says that if you've had the diesese you are already immune.

There is a lot of false information in both sides. But your "scientist" is literally the highest paid government employee ever. The fact that this is the first time they have ever paid to vaccinate people (and are even paying and intimidating people to get them to take it) when the virus is way less deadly than many previous ones... And they even want to force people who are already immune to get the shot...

Suggests to me that there is something else in it.

It's experimental. Tons of people have had really bad side effects you don't see from a regular vaccine.

I'm pretty sure 90% of the people trying to force every last person to get it are politicians.

[MotorcycleMan]

@Lost_in_the_Woods These are different time. Sure, normally they would take the time to go through the process. The process was still gone though, but some parts were done in parallel. Normally you would do A, wait for completion and results, then do B, then do C. In this case, because it was a global emergency, they did A/B/C at the same time, but then still got the right results at the end from each part. They are recommending the vaccine because although there is still no long-term effects known and still a lot unknown about the virus, they feel this is the safest route. The danger of the virus outweighs the danger of the vaccine. They are doing everything they can to get everyone vaccinated for the safety of the masses because there is so much disinformation out there that people are reluctant to take it. If you feel there is some nefarious reason, what is it? What would anyone gain from it?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

https://youtu.be/tmqh1vr8ERI

I don't know. But I do know that if it was really about science and immunity they wouldn't be bribing people who are already immune to get the shot and covering up the potentially serious and life changing side effects.

Facebook admits they censor "misinformation about the vaccine" but they were also caught censoring people who went out and got it and posted about the actual side effects they had.

There was a guy in Europe who's immune system started attacking his own blood cells.

People have a lot of theories about microchips and population control. I try not to get into all that, but I've seen the government turn people they don't like into zombies with a single shot (with my own eyes). And read the stories about the Saudi Government black bagging journalists who made an appointment to get a marriage license.

I have a couple theories. It could be something like the PAX (if you have seen Serenity) it's SciFi where the government tried to drug the population with psyciatric drugs to make everyone shut up and do their job without worrying about their own freedom.

It could be that they have two shots, one that is a regular vaccine and one for people they don't like.

And it could be that they know they paid the Chinese to develop bio weapons from a virus that had the potential to be a lot more lethal than Covid-19 in the first place, so they likely have a second version that actually kills people and they are racing to get the population vaccinated before the real one gets out.

Or, it could be as simple as the fact that the companies who make the shots have enormous political power and they are getting filthy rich off selling as many doses as they possibly can.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

I really have no idea why they would beg and bribe and intimidate people who are already immune to get a vaccine that nobody could possibly know the long term side effects of. It could be genuinely just an effort to make covid go away because it makes the government look terrible.

All I'm saying is that there obviously is some outside motivation beyond "trying to keep people safe"

The government never cared about cancer or aids. Cigarettes account for 1/5 deaths in the country and they fucking love cigarette companies.

What that motivation is is anybody's guess. I honestly couldn't tell you. But this is the first time I have chosen not to get vaccinated because something obviously isn't right.

I mean, seriously, they have been talking about MNRA vaccines for years. Why would anyone think that this was the time to rush them into use and modify everyone's DNA for the first time ever instead of just making a normal vaccine?

That doesn't make sense to me. It sounds extremely risky at best.

I don't know why they did that, and insist that every last person has to get one. And decided to pay the bill for the first time ever.

I just know that Covid-19 poses almost no risk to me whatsoever, and they have drastically over exaggerated the danger to try to force me to take an experimental shot that they are only too happy to pay for.

Nobody actually knows the long term effects yet, but people have already had serious and life changing side effects that the government really doesn't want people to know about.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

From a scientific perspective, I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits. And from a political perspective, I think you would have to be an idiot to believe the government is doing this because they actually care about keeping people safe.

They never have before. So I am left to believe they must have some other motivation to inject everyone.

But like I said, it could be as simple as trying to save face over the fact that they paid to fund the lab the virus came out of and/or help their buddies get rich off of selling vaccines.
I don't know what their motivation is. I just know that it obviously isn't about keeping people safe. If that was it, they wouldn't have paid a lady who said covid would make a great bio weapon to modify it so that it was more easily transmissable to humans.

(Weather you believe that is the one that got out, or that it was the world's most amazing coincidence that a pig next door to the lab happened to get a bat virus and spread it at a fish market, it's a proven fact that the lab next door was literally paid by Dr. Fauchi to modify coronaviruses and make them more transmissable to humans. And the lady who was doing it had written papers to the Chinese military saying that it would make a great bio weapon.)

If they cared about keeping people safe, they wouldn't have done that in the first place. There was literally an order to stop funding gain of function and Fauchi himself signed the order to do it anyways.

Maybe they are just trying to make that all go away by putting covid in the past. But honestly, I think it's a lot more likely that they let it go on purpose to shut the world down, make everyone panic, change the outcome of an election and convince everyone to get some unknown admittedly experimental shot.

All I know for certain is that they obviously don't like spending money on us or care about keeping people safe. So there must be another reason they want to pay me to get the shot.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

It doesn't add up. Science says we couldn't possibly know the long term effects of something that was invented and released a year ago (as quickly as possible, without following the usually process)

My question for you is, why would anyone think that was a good time to try a new experimental vaccine that actually modifies people's DNA to cause their cells to create viruses?

Seems like we could have had a normal vaccine and left the MNRA vaccines for another day when they had been through the testing process.

That is why half the country is refusing to get the covid vaccine. And we'd still rather get the virus than risk taking the shot.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

So far covid has about a 10% infection rate and about a 2% fatality rate.

Going off official numbers, but there is evidence to suggest that up to 2/3s of all cases aren't reported which means the fatality rate could be about half a percent over all.

What we know for sure is that less than 1/2000 people in the use have died from it which literally gives unvaccinated people a 99.8 percent chance of surviving covid 19.

Compare that to cigarettes that have a fatality rate OVER 100 percent (according to the CDC) and then factor in that the vast majority of people who had covid were already past the average life expectancy AND has other medical conditions, then remember that there have been multiple proven reports of hospitals labeling people already had terminal illnesses as having died of covid and my chance of survival is basically 100%.

How are you going to say you understand the risks and are aware of the side effects of the vaccine and then tell me that outweighs the risk of getting a disease that literally has almost no chance of hurting me?

That doesn't make sense. Definetly isn't scientific. But it sure as shit is what the liberal media and the highest paid government employee ever want you to believe.

I don't think you have spent as much time researching the science as you have watching the political news and propaganda.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

by the way, my only legal vehicle is a 1982 GS750. I tried to wear a mask into the local motorcycle dealer/service center because there was a sign saying they were mandatory and my and buddy stopped me and told me to take it off or I'd embarrass us both. He was right. Not one of the staff was wearing one.

We take a higher risk of fatality every time we leave the house.

But hey. I'm not trying to stop other people from getting the vaccine. I just think we should all be allowed to make our own choices.

[MotorcycleMan]

@Lost_in_the_Woods The reason we want everyone to get vaccinated is that if everyone did, the virus would go away and people wouldn't be dying for no reason. You can catch it and pass it on to others and kill them. I'm not sure why you find that OK. The Vaccine DOES NOT alter your DNA, however, the virus does. We could have stopped the virus by now and it would be gone, but it continues to spread and survive. As long as it is surviving, it is mutating. It will mutate into a for resistant to the current vaccine. It may mutate into a form that is far more lethal. It's critical that we get it stopped before all that happens. While I still think it's a personal choice, I think it's just socially irresponsible as hell not to get vaccinated. Why are they pushing for people to get it? Re-read what I just said. Why don't they push so hard for tobacco? Because tobacco is paying them shit-tons of money. Nobody is paying to keep Covid around. If you want to believer that it's some kind of conspiracy, then don't get the vaccine, but please stay well away from the rest of us.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

You literally don't know what you are talking about.

The vaccine is only about 60% effective and MNRA vaccines literally work by altering your DNA.

Do you even know what MNRA is?

If the vaccine works, why do you care if the virus is still out there?

1/5 deaths in the US are caused my cigarettes. Getting sick is a real reason to die.

If you really care about preventing needless death, why aren't you more worried about stopping the wars and banning cigarettes than a virus 99% of people survive that practically only kills people who already have serious ilneses that are already past the average life expectancy?

You just watch the news, panic over it and read it back to me.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

"it's fine if 20% of people die for profit, but not if less than 1% of the population is too old and weak to survive a bad cold. Therefore, anyone who doesn't take experimental and non trustworthy drugs is dangerous an irresponsible."

But seriously, let me boil it down. If the vaccine stop the virus from infecting anyone who has it... Why do you care if I get the virus? I won't die. And I can't kill anyone who chose to get the vaccine.

It's because the experiment MNRA vaccine barely prevents covid in the first place whereas traditional vaccines have far greater effectiveness.

Which brings me back to the question you completely ignored, why test a new DNA altering vaccine now, on Covid-19? Doesn't that seem like a strange choice to you?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Like, I have heard your (CNN's) fear mongering about how not getting the shot literally kills people.

But, I haven't had covid. I haven't infected a single person.

Can you skip the copy and paste and answer some of my questions or do you literally only know what the left wing media told you?

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

*MRNA. Sorry, typing fast because I'm sick of this conversation.

But read about Messenger RNA. If you think it doesn't modify you DNA you literally don't know what you are talking about. That's pretty much all it does.

[MotorcycleMan]

@Lost_in_the_Woods www.health.gov.au/.../is-it-true-can-covid-19-vaccines-alter-my-dna

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Ahh yes, the government. Those ever trustworthy and unbiased folks who only tell the truth. And, also said that you could survive a nuke by hiding under a table. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Here's about 5 hours of factual scientific discussion with the man who invented MRNA vaccines. They cover (and ridicule) the notion that MRNA vaccines don't inject DNA (RNA) into your cells and change their function to cause them to produce (potentially toxic) proteins which then trigger an immune response and cause your body to produce antibodies about half way through the first podcast.

But, in earnest, if you don't believe that is how MNRA vaccines work... HOW DO YOU THINK THEY WORK?

Literally, that is what an MNRA vaccine IS. That's all it is. Messenger RiboNucleic Acid, injected into your body, which hijacks your own cells, and caused them to produce (slightly altered) coppies of the virus instead of the proteins they normal would.

It's literally, not doing anything other than taking over your cells and changing the instructions (DNA) they run on.

No, it doesn't do all your cells. It doesn't turn you into a lizard person, but that is Literally how MRNA vaccines work.

Ps: check out the part where they talk about the 20,000 people who have died from the vaccines and the people who have "long covid" just from the vaccine. And the part where the spike protein actually travels through your entire body ans causes all sorts of harmful and deadly side effects (in the short to medium term. We don't even know the long term yet...)

Remember, the guy who is in both of these podcasts LITERALLY INVENTED MNRA VACCINES. He also works for the government.

content.blubrry.com/.../...Vaccine_Risks-FINAL.mp3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XkRq4PaHqo

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Complete waste of time arguing with someone who's cognition is limited to "I goggled the question and this is what they told me to believe so it must be true"

Spend some time and brainpower researching the issue. Listen to SCIENTISTS and DOCTORS. PRIMARY SOURCES WITH LIMITED BIAS.

NOT, the very people pushing the vaccine, who are and have always been hugely influenced by the enormous amount of money they take in from the companies who make the vaccines and literally released the manufacturers from any and all liability. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

That's not a primary source. That is an openly biased opinion.

You don't have a clue what your are talking about because you don't know how to do basic research.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Please explain how you think MNRA vaccines work.

In your own words.

I'll wait. 🤣😂🤣😂

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Your link essentially just argues semantics. But, if you don't know what mRNA is, or what DNA does, you wouldn't even know that.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the vaccine perminetly alters your entire genome. I'm saying that it does what it's designed to do by hijacking your cells with synthetic DNA and causing them to produce (essentially) coppies of the virus.

"Alters your DNA" is honestly dumbing it down a lot. "Changes your cells genetic instructions" might be a better way to say it. And is essentially undebatable.

But, in earnest I'm pretty sure you didn't even absorb basic highschool biology and have no concept of what any of this means so I don't think it matters how simple I make it. You just spit back government narratives because you don't know anything else.

Your links argument is essentially that, if you copy an email with instructions on how to build a confy chair, and send it to your carpenter... But I intercept that email and replace it with instructions on how to build a dangerous spike... "I didn't change the instructions for how to build a chair" because you still have the original. 🤦🏼‍♂️

And while technically that is true, It's semantics at best. The result is still the same as if I had, and you'll end up with a bloody anus.

Cancer is literally just a mutation in a cell that causes part of the genetic information to malfunction. Covid, or any other virus, is literally just a bit of RNA that gets injected into your cell same as the vaccine.

It's like trying to fight one invasive species by introducing another. Lots of governments have told people it is a fantastic breakthrough that couldn't possibly go wrong, but In practice it almost always does. And people get hurt.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

But, you believe what they tell you because you don't understand the basics of how your cells work, let alone the complicated new experimental ways they want to modify them. And because, aparently you were born yesterday so you still think the government always tells the truth. 😂🤣😂🤣

And that, honestly, is the real pandemic. People who aren't educated enough to even REALIZE when they are being served a steaming load of garbage and begin to question it.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

And that is why people are ACTUALLY dieing for no reason.

SICKNESS IS A REASON. 99.99% of people survive Covid. Almost all the ones who don't are either already past their life expectancy or very unhealthy.

Being forced to take an experimental drug that is documented to have already killed more people than every other vaccine combined for the last 35 years IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO DIE.

But shit, you'd rather have the blood of healthy innocent children on your hands than a 1/1000 chance your grandmother gets sick and dies.

My grandma taught me better than that. She cared more about building a future for the young people than trying to live forever at our expense. And that's why they elected her over and over and over again.

You're basically just a more annoying version of a parrot.

But, hopefully this puts the issue to bed and demonstrates who here knows more about mRNA vaccines. (It's the guy who invented them. Take a listen to his thoughts)

[LeeannaDD]

Let's not confuse antivaccine with people who don't trust covid vaccines. 2 completely different things. People who choose not to get the covid vaccine are not the same people who think vaccines cause autism and other made up theories. For me personally it has to do with its got a 99.99% survival rate and the vaccine isn't even working as expected. It was rushed into production. And when the man who literally invented mrna vaccines says it not safe you should listen.

[alice55]

Are you serious? That's completely stupid to propose this. Everyone know drugs, alcohol, obesity, etc... is dangerous but people still do it and we still heal them so there's absolutely nothing that justify not healing people that refuse to get vaccinated.

[alice55]

If antivax are forbidden from being treated then they should stop to pay their tax.

[FatherJack]

Most of those described in Orwellian Newspeak as " anti vaxxers " are NOT anti ALL vaccinations , they are rightly very sceptical of a heavily pushed " vaccine " against a relatively mild illness from a common group of viruses. Not quite the " super deadly threat it has been pushed as , if it was THAT bad , we would be back to Medieval population levels by now !!

[Crissy_J]

I pay a hell of a lot for health insurance, and if I get sick they better treat me no matter what the case is. Just because people refuse to be lab rats for Big Pharma doesn’t mean they should be barred from health care. Ridiculous.

[G5TWA1]

even tho I think stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, vaccines have been known to cause problems, I'm not an anti vaxxer but some vaccines for example the polio vaccine has been reported to cause adverse reactions, so if you're gonna make that the rule, someday there's gonna be a vaccine that's not gonna work and you won't be able to get treated

[Zang101]

My internet troll side says yes, the only logical reason to not get vaccinated is if you are medically unable to. If you get sick and risk death for something that can easily prevented, you deserve to not get treated for it.

My decent human side says no, nobody should be denied neccesary medical treatment even they're an antivaxxer. IMHO, they should at least have to pay for treatment out-of-pocket

[Paige90]

LOL that is the ONLY logical reason?

[Zang101]

1) That's in the troll part so it's semi-exaggerated
2) To un-trollify: It's only one that I've seen to be a valid excuse for not getting vaccinated.

[masonderek6994]

You do realize the vaccinations aren't actually FDA approved yet and are considered experimental. They've not gone through the complete proper length clinical trials as we won't know long term side effects for a few years.

[Kaneki05]

That would make you skeptic tho. Not a antivaxer. A anti is just ageist all not just new ones that haven't been tested to what they would consider safe yet.

[rcljr]

Absolutely correct- approved for “ emergency use” only. The FDA will never approve the vaccine for humans because of mRNA factor.

[rcljr]

Should vaxxers just shut the fuck up and quit crying because they were dumb enough to take TWO toxic shots.

[Miah02]

Yes, they be the people blowing up the ER, with they hard head asses😂

Don't tell me to take the vaccine.

Oh no save me!!! I didn't take the vaccine🥴

[BlacklightShade]

There were Christian men in history that castrated themselves rather than being tempted away from god by some hot pair of legs.

[BlacklightShade]

Sorry! This was a reply to the WRONG POST!!!

I meant to provide some links:

Anti-vaxxer nurse dies of Covid: https://heavy.com/news/olivia-guidry/

Anti-vaxxer sheriff dies of Covid: www.businessinsider.com/colorado-anti-vaxxer-sheriffs-deputy-dies-of-covid-19-complications-2021-5

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lmao I nearly spit out my drink reading this.

But it is a very apt comparison even if it was a mistake.

[Kaneki05]

Pretty much, for sure in Uk with Nhs. Why should tax go to nhs just to help people who don't take the help in the first place only to complain later.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I get it but you can’t force somebody to sign a release form

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Pay me. I'll sign it for the same dollars you want to spend to inject me.

Sounds like a win win to me.

[Slartybartfast]

If your IQ is below 70(majority of anti vaxers and flat earth people) you aren't legally competent to sign it. Most anti vaxers can't read anyway.

[TripleAce]

That would be strange because you pay for your services. Whether it’s through the government or out of pocket

[CreamySeed]

Why would anyone take a EUA experimental concoction when the companies that make it demand indemnity for any harm caused if they stand behind the product open yourself up to liability...