Should Travis have gotten the COVID vaccine?

[BlacklightShade]

COVID patient documents his struggle with the disease.

[blank_expression]

The real story behind all of this is no one truly knows the right answer with all certainty. There is enough data either way as to whether the jab is the correct or incorrect choice. I can find as many stories of “vaccine” caused deaths as I can one such as this. The thing that is happening is that you vaxxed libs are in somewhat of a panic mode after receiving it with all of the second-guessing out there that you seek any tidbit of justification that the vaxx is the right choice. There is no absolute answer to this because again the vaxxe is delving out plenty of permeant injuries and death also, and long term is unknown. As I have gone through a fairly nasty covid experienced myself, and have the anti-bodies, I am at much higher risk of a severe reaction to the vaxx then those that never had anything. I personally have been around Covid infected persons going on 17 months and I am doing stellar. Why would I personally risk injury due to the vaxx while the vaxx only is programmed for one spike protein and a single mutation can deem it useless? Also, the vaxxx is now being noted to attack natural T-cells rendering your natural immune system worthless. A friend also had Covid, had the anti-bodies, got the vaxxx, and had a 3x symptoms effect that put him in the hospital. Given that every individual has a unique situation, would you really attempt to convince someone to get something that might kill she or he? No one knows the individuals status to make blanket vaxx orders to a population. It that case the organization handing out the orders views the population as a group of say sheep, where they can accept collateral damage. We know nothing about this guy or how many drugs he has taken probably destroying his immune system, and there is no way that anyone could sit back here and think they could decide what was best for him. The vaxxx could have also taken him out too. The thing I see the most with the vaxxers is weakness (not all) in their stance by constantly harassing the non-vaxxed because it somehow makes their position stronger in their own minds. Look, there is no absolute answer to personal choice on this thing; the risks are high either way, with or without the jab; both have high uncertainty. There is equal pro and con data to the whole thing. I personally would not accept the responsibility of influencing anyone in this choice.

As you put it; I am talking to myself...

[BlacklightShade]

Lots of people can say anything they want. The question then becomes who is saying it and what are their qualifications, expertise, and motivations.

[Still-alive]

“ I can find as many stories of “vaccine” caused deaths as I can one such as this. ”

I call bullshit

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Okay, given qualifications and motivations let’s take a look here:

UPDATE 8/8/21
The Evidence Based Medicine Consultancy Group of UK is calling on the government for a complete cessation of the Covid vaccine after reports data of bleeding clotting, unexpected immune system reactions, unusual pain reactions, neurological responses, loss of sight, hearing loss, speech loss, smell loss, or adverse pregnancy including miscarriage.

The manufacturing products in vaccine are toxic to humans.

Beyond that, here is HHS data:

Per the VAERS HHS Site, data that you can download:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

Upon receiving the vaccine injection,

6,000 people have died, 20,000, have been hospitalized, 2,000 Bell’s Palsy paralysis of the facial muscles, 44,000 have checked into urgent care, 5,900 life threatening reactions, 2,000 suffered heart attacks, 652 women suffered miscarriages, 4,500 people are disabled some permanently. This is all taken from government data. The side effects of the Covid vaccine are greater than all the other side effects of all the vaccines in the entire world combined. This is not normal.

All over the MSM “Covid-19 vaccines are safe and effective” vaccines. gov. Anyone with knowledge of the VAERS HHS data that tells the public “the vaccines are safe” is equivalent to a mass murderer.

Therefore, you laying down your advice on me makes you accept the responsibility herein. Each person should be allowed choice without retribution or harassment given the real documented official risks.

[Still-alive]

Vaers again...

Limitations:
Because VAERS allows anyone to report possible side effects from vaccines, it includes reports that might or might not be caused by vaccines. VAERS is not designed to identify cause and effect. VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Some reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

Also, VAERS is used only for monitoring adverse events. It does not provide medical advice.

www.cdc.gov/.../vaers.html

[Still-alive]

More limitations:
"VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected. Instead someone who had or is aware of an adverse event following vaccination must file a report.
VAERS reports are submitted by anyone and sometimes lack details or contain errors.
VAERS data alone cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event.

This specific limitation has caused confusion about the publicly available data, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. In the past there have been instances where people misinterpreted reports of death following vaccination as death caused by the vaccines; that is a mistake.

VAERS accepts all reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS might represent true vaccine reactions, and others might be coincidental adverse health events not related to vaccination at all.

Generally, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS reports alone.

The number of reports submitted to VAERS may increase in response to media attention and increased public awareness.
It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population."

www.cdc.gov/.../index.html

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@Still-alive Whatever, the CDC gives me no confidence and you will believe in this vaccine if everyone dies because it has become your obsessive religion. Once in your system, you can have no other perspective. Your view has zero objectivity.

[Still-alive]

lol got nothing huh? typical. you know you're in the wrong and spreading misinformation. shame on you sir

[Lazi-boi]

Not sure what strain he had.

There's evidence out if Israel now that the vaccine is not that effective against the new strains and the majority of people in hospital who are critical are all vaccinated.

Unfortunately there is no easy solution to this.

[BlacklightShade]

Do you have a source link?

[Lazi-boi]

For Israel? I have friends who say it's all over their news that this is what's happening.

It seems hard to find an article that's clear in the west, but you can read between the lines like here for example: www.yahoo.com/.../...ast-looked-had-113759148.html

Restrictions are coming back etc.

[goaded]

"the majority of people in hospital who are critical are all vaccinated."
The majority of all people in Israel are vaccinated. The vast majority (getting on for 100%) of the elderly, who are most at risk, will have been vaccinated. I read somewhere that the vaccines improve your chances of surviving covid to that of someone 20 years younger. (A rule of thumb, don't ask what it does to an 18 year old!)

[Lazi-boi]

The efficacy and prevention of serious illness for the new strains keeps dropping as more data comes out and it spreads.

I'm not saying things can't turn around, but it doesn't look that great, and the elderly were the people the vaccine was most meant to protect.

[goaded]

And they are. It's not Getafix's magic potion of invulnerability!

[Lazi-boi]

Which makes it different to what we normally treat as a vaccine.

If you get a polio vaccine, you're not getting polio any time soon. Its completely different with this thing, its brand new, and the data keeps getting updated every time so to be certain of anything is not the most intelligent position to out it lightly.

[goaded]

So, if you're not 100% protected, there's no point in having it?

Like seat belts, or bullet proof vests, or railings, or traffic laws...

[Lazi-boi]

It doesn't have to be 100% but it also shouldn't be 0%

I don't know what the end result will be, but it's looking very bad. Last I looked efficacy was at 40% down from around 80% and serious illness and death was down to 70% but who knows how low it can get, or how low it will go for the next varient or in a few months without a booster shot.

Its all up in the air as far as I can see.

[goaded]

But it's nowhere near 0%. (And I'd like to see actual sources for your numbers.)

[Lazi-boi]

I just pick the numbers up from the news, I'm not that deep into the statistics so you'll have to find them yourself.

Not at zero, but people have died from the vaccine so you have to weigh that chance against your chance of getting sick and dying from it in your age group and any co-morbilities.

In Australia at least, the astrazeneca vaccine is not advised for anyone under 60 and we've had a few people who have officially died. I do believe that number is likely higher, but not by thousands as some may believe.

[goaded]

The chances of dying from one of the vaccines are about 2 in a million, which is 0.0002%, or something like throwing 20 coins up in the air and them all coming down with the same side up.

[Lazi-boi]

Realistically I'd say trippile or quadruple the deaths. Vaccine attribute deaths are so hard to prove because of the roadblocks put in, but common sense tells you it's higher.

Then you need to compare it with your chance of getting covid and dying from it in your age group, and with your co-morbilities.

Then you need to consider the effectiveness of the vaccine, which is looking like it's going to be closer to 50% for new varients.

Take the difference from that and find out the difference to see, in some people, its absolutely the right way to go. In like a child the difference would be completely negligible and not worth risking any long term side effects that we just don't know about.

[goaded]

Common sense says nothing of the sort, and your calculation ignores the possibility of you catching it and passing it on to someone else who might die. Personally, I find that a compelling argument, similar to asking everyone to drive on the same side of the road.

This is the third time in this conversation you've thrown out a statistic with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Children are relatively safe, but they're not invulnerable, and they're infinitely safer if they don't get the virus, which brings me back to the point about protecting the people around you.

[Anonymous]

Hindsight is 20/20, but I bet if he had taken the vaccine and died from it, ABC wouldn't have done a story on it.

But one thing is for sure, Dr fauci shouldn't be allowed to fund Chinese virus labs anymore.

[molonski2]

These kind of people are at extreme risk of many things , look at the BMI , as soon as the vaccine was available these guys should have been in line. There is personnal responsibility in all this stuff , and when at drastic risk like this guy , after years of abuse , it should have been his first move.
Hopefully , he is able to recover and start to make some serious life choices , but you must take responsibility , you just cannot live a life like this. Get Vaccinated.

[NightHawk99]

Yes, he should have been.

But even this won't convince the anti-vaxxers of anything. They'll look or listen for anything that don't look or sound right in their minds and make judgements based off of that. It can literally be anything, even a doctor putting something somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Honestly--who freaking cares? Everyone has the option to get the vaccine. If you want it, get it. If you don't don't. If you want to get back into the world and take your chances, go ahead and go maskless. If you're scarred shitless, wear a mask everywhere. Or 3 masks. Or never go out again.

The pandemic is over. There's a vaccine if you want it. Time to move the fuck on people.

[rcljr]

Tell that to Blacklightshade

[Opinion Owner]

@rcljr Pretty sure I just did.

[BlacklightShade]

@rcljr You need to be 12 + to get it.

[rcljr]

That is because they want the smaller children to survive, so they can brainwash them, the rest are expendable. You cry conspiracy theory but, but I was right about UFO’s, everyone said MUFON were crackheads, just wait and see

[Opinion Owner]

It isn't recommended to kids under 12 because they're not really at any major risk from Covid. It's less a danger than seasonal influenza. So the risk-reward of administering a medical treatment isn't great.

[BlacklightShade]

@rcljr " I was right about UFO’s"

That's all I need to know about you.

[rcljr]

Oh, so now the Wu Flu checks ID? Interesting, before it could only tell time, they closed the bars at 10 so covid wouldn’t spread, so, you know, covid wouldn’t possibly hit at 8 or 9, only after 10…

[rcljr]

You may want to read what the Pentagon admitted to honey, before you get all stupid.

[Soremain]

How the fuck he talks for 5 minutes if he can't breath? And why he has trouble keeping his eyes open? That's how kids act when they are "very very very sick". That's just as obvious acting as in every American reality show.

[anylolone]

Clearly actors, so he's probably already vaccinated.

Outside of that, the vaccine does nothing, so I don't believe he should have gotten another shot.
Israel's data is here. Even CDC's data is here. Just look at the mortality data.

[BlacklightShade]

"he's probably already vaccinated"

I guess you missed the part where he said "I should have gotten vaccinated."

[anylolone]

Nope, I just noted the part in which you are deceptively gullible.

[BlacklightShade]

Glad you could sort that out for me.

[Interstate]

Yes. At least he might have had less of a chance of getting it if he was vaccinated. Look at him now!

[TommyMountainFigure]

I wanted it and have had both doses of Pfizer. What other people do or don't do is out of my hands.

[rcljr]

It is a persons Personal CHOICE to get vaxxed or not, it’s not governments choice, families choice or the “ Karen’s” on GAG’s choice.

[BlacklightShade]

It is the people that aren't vaccinated causing the rest of us to need masks and social distancing again. Some hospitals don't have room to help someone in a car accident. There's no vaccine for children yet. Soon business will close, etc. So your personal CHOICE affects the people around you.

[rcljr]

All that tells me is that masks and your precious vaxx don’t work at all. I am free to vaxx or not, MY CHOICE, I’m free to mask or not, MY CHOICE.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

It's shame I'm scared shitless of Covid and out of my mind over Covid Vaccinations yes Travis should have been Vaccinated

[Bklynbadboy12]

In a perfect world everybody should get it but this isn't a perfect world and you can't trust everything you here

[goaded]

Who can you trust more, though; the people who are demonstrating with evidence that you're far less likely to get sick or die with the vaccine, or the ones lying about how it makes you magnetic? What is so wrong with society that that is even a question that needs to be asked?

[Bklynbadboy12]

Thats easy for you you to say just look back in history black people have always been use and experimented on by the government

[goaded]

And? Far more white people in America have had a jab than black people. 57% of the entire population.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Okay but that your choice to take it some people decided not to take it you can't force your choice on someone else understand.

[goaded]

Yes, but I assume it's OK to point out that the people saying it doesn't work, or you don't need it if you're young/fit/whatever are lying?

[Bklynbadboy12]

How do you know there lying cause the government told you so

[goaded]

And not a single expert in the field contradicts the hundreds of governments in the world?

Antivaxxers: won't take the vaccine because it's not fully FDA approved and there is a vanishingly small possibility of significant side effects.

Also antivaxxers: hey I'm off down the farm supplies so I can get some sheep wormer and eat it.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Look you can take it how you want but there vaccines were made way to fast they've already taken one of the market and who knows about the long term effects this may have on your body. And just so you know experts make mistakes too

[goaded]

Which one has been withdrawn?

[Bklynbadboy12]

The one from Johnson and Johnson

[goaded]

Where? I could have had it in Germany a month or two ago, and India approved it just two days ago.

[rcljr]

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment comes to mind, there are others involving magic mushrooms

[goaded]

Whatever that last comment was, I can't see it.

[BlacklightShade]

@rcljr so you are comparing the COVID vaccine to a couple of warped, unethical, secret, racist experiments whose discovery kicked off hundreds of medial ethics laws?

[rcljr]

No, miss Obtuse, I’m saying I don’t trust the American government as far as I can throw it.

[MountAverage]

Yes, Travis should have gotten the vaccine. Don't be like Travis.

[Anonymous]

Travis should lost weight and ran 6 miles a day and lift weight and stop eating junk food.

And he would shook it off.

Unless he had a pre-exist condition

[Red_Arrow]

Thank you for your expert, but anonymous diagnosis, doctor.

[Opinion Owner]

Everybody gets one

[Dchrls78104]

Only if by doing so he could be guaranteed protection from the virus.

[goaded]

So, you shouldn't wear a seatbelt because it doesn't guarantee you'll survive a car crash?

[Dchrls78104]

@goaded a defective seatbelt won't protect you in a car crash.

[888theGreat]

Was he high risk? You liberals find the 1 in 20 Trillion cases

[goaded]

It looks like he's overweight, like 42% of Americans...

[goaded]

How about this guy? 42 year old bodybuilder.

www.menshealth.com/.../

[joeldalton]

Keep pumping that propaganda.

[DaveToo]

Gee, D'uh?

[disgustingweebtrash]

He should have gotten that damn vaccsneed man.

[2ndTryatThis]

Thank you for sharing

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

If you are able to, you need to get it

[BeMuse]

Nope.

[Marhaban-1]

Yes everyone should

[CubaPirate]

Who's Travis

[Sabretooth]

yup.