A man is taken to a lawless desert without any food water or clothing. Would you say this man is free?

[Still-alive]

This is kind of a philosophical question im putting to people. questioning the idea of freedom. Here you have a man in hot desert, and all though he has no food water or clothes... he technically is free to do whatever he wants to do. there are no laws to restrict him.

Do you think he is truly a free man though?

Yes he is completely free

He's free but severely handicapped

He's not free in my opinion

He's free to die. This isn't real freedom

I have a different opinion on this (please say)

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+1 y

if not taken lets say instead he was passed out but then woke up here.

[NaultD]

There's positive freedoms and negative freedoms. The desert situation is taking positive freedom to the logical limits. You are free to die.

Then you add some negative freedoms like government and taxes and rights to water. That same individual finds water lives another day.

You can find similar meaning on what "tall fences make great neighbors." You have more freedom on your property with the "tax" investment of tall fences.

[NathanDavis]

freedom should not be forced on you... hmmmmmm...

[Still-alive]

ok lets say he was passed out but then woke up here instead

[NathanDavis]

for me, a more true sense of freedom is about choice... a closer sense of freedom is when we get to decide which our actions will be, rather than reacting to the circumstances we're against... freedom of room to maneuver as we wish, rather than taking the only few ways out we have available from a particular circumstance like this.

[Still-alive]

". a closer sense of freedom is when we get to decide which our actions will be, rather than reacting to the circumstances we're against"

indeed. couldn't have said that any better

[purplepoppy]

The food, water, clothes part is irrelevant. Plus he's still bound by the laws of the country he's in. What's changed is he's now free to do what he wants without anyone noticing or caring.
Lot's of people bang on about freedom but what does anyone really do with it? We've all seen those guys with guns in the woods making the freedom claim but are they really doing anything different to a bunch of Russian guys out hunting?
The freedom most freedom enthusiasts want is the freedom to take away another groups freedom.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Honestly, it's not a fair question.

There's a movie from the 80's called something like "clan of cave bear" that explored the need for even the most free people in the world to live in community and adhere to social rules and expectations. We survive as a pack, which is just a smaller version of a society.

Those who want to be free, live off the grid, etc.. Go ahead, I'm not stopping you. I can't figure for the life of me why anyone is arguing about it.

[Still-alive]

Why isn't it fair? Im exploring what ‘freedom’ as a concept truly means.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Because humans have babies and rear them into at least young adulthood, so I don't know many parents who would trek to the middle of a desert to abandon their child once he reaches manhood.

Typically a person would at least be knowledgable of their surroundings and able to achieve the most basic necessities of food, water, shelter.

Being kidnapped and dropped into a desert with nothing is sadistic and probably the theme of the next Saw movie.

[Still-alive]

Its a hypothetical used to ask what freedom truly means thats the intention.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Fair enough

[Archerer]

It depends on your definition of freedom, in philosophy defining your terms is very important. But at face blank, no one is truly “free” since there is no such thing as free will. In the illusion of life though, it would depend on your knowledge of what is possible. The man may feel free if he knows not of the capabilities of humanity, ironically his ignorance of possibility is what makes him free. Someone who has everything though, put in that situation would not feel free, but burdened instead.

[TrueConfection]

It sounds more like he's trapped than free. Stranded is not free. He's not free to leave if he's stranded. It doesn't sound like he's free from the sun or from thirst and hunger either. My opinion is no.

[ohshee]

I would say yes it's a moment in time his mind is traveling everywhere it might have been there before but he's in deep. With fresh air give you a call around then and clarity because if he didn't want to be there. Then he wouldn't be there

[ohshee]

Thank you josy josy I'm going to have to say it depends on who took in there and now the guy looks at it what he was taking there for and how smart he is because it away depending on why he was taking there he's free at the moment now it's his job to become all the way free or die I guess

[ohshee]

Lmao yes I want to agree sometimes Josie is Josie and sometimes josy is j o s y

[Yyyyu]

Well it is not ideal way to live but he got that freedom lol and why you don't have anon option? I don't like getting friend request so I would like to give anon answer

[Still-alive]

Because trolls like to abuse it.

[Yyyyu]

Hmm you can block them than they can't actually do it lol

[Yyyyu]

I guess?

[Still-alive]

Nah I prefer it this way

[menina]

I would say that he's free but severely handicapped. How is he going to survive without food and water? Not to mention the lack of clothes and a roof over his head. His life is about to end.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course. He is free to starve, to die of thirst, to die from exposure or heat stroke.

He is as free as a bird.

[Sincerly_KittyCat]

He is free but his freedom is useless because the struggle will be real out there in the desert with no food and water

[jshm2]

You could understand the example of Napoleon when he was taken to the then lawless island of Saint Helena - as punishment.

[Slim57]

If he wants to live bad enough he will do whatever he can to find it if not then I guess gives up his freedom

[Still-alive]

So you think he's mot truly free?

[Slim57]

Yes and no but I'd say yes

[loves2learn]

Where is he going to get food? Or human interaction. Free to die…

[snackthatsmilesback]

He's completely free from humanity. Not free from mother nature at all (tho everybody's always under that rule, to a certain degree).

[exitseven]

B. F. Skinner said that there really is no such thing as freedom. Mankind always will have limits that will prevent freedom.

[Miah02]

It would depend on the guy and if this is the life he dreamed of

[Luminair3]

He might be free, but what's the use of that freedom? He'll die soon.

[zagor]

There was a cartoon by Matt Groening called something like "How to quit your job, tell off your boss, be completely fulfilled, and starve to death".

[Nikki6t6]

Free in the sense of laws but enslaved by his surroundings to survive.

[Wiredone]

Yes he is free, he is free to die because that's what will happen to him

[Mustermann]

To put it like Kris Kristofferson, "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"...

[JosyJosy]

No it's in the title. He's TAKEN to that place

[Still-alive]

not taken lets say instead he was passed out but then woke up here.

[JosyJosy]

That still sounds like abduction xD

[Still-alive]

Ok popped into existence there lol

[JosyJosy]

He is going to be bound by his basic needs in order to survive

[Still-alive]

Therefore not really free right? He technically is but the concept of freedom is illusory to him

[JosyJosy]

in theory he is free, but he has no choice but to fulfill his basic needs

[ohshee]

Josh Josh, thank you for the heads up ,, good looking out

[JosyJosy]

@ohshee you'd think that my name would be easy to write

[Jessica405]

He cannot be free if he was taken anywhere.

[Savage_Wisdom]

Isn't this basically how Australia began?

[electromagnetic]

Sounds to me like he’s being left for dead.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

He's free to die. This isn't real freedom

[Tunasub]

I would say he's fucked!

[Smegskull]

This is basically the story of Australia 🤣

[Gwenhwyfar]

I voted D

[Jamie05rhs]

He's free.

[Jamie05rhs]

You have understand that freedom itself is its own concept. Don't get it conflated with other things.

[karaspara]

Who is he Mad Max?

[jimmy2]

He screwed