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And what, exactly, constitutes "getting their crap together"? Are hospitals overcrowded? Yes- of course they are. A hospital operates at 85-90% capacity under normal circumstances- empty beds are costing them money. Even a small increase in patients can overwhelm the system; you see this every single flu season. What should they do? Build new field hospitals? Send in hospital ships, where applicable? They have- and most of them quietly shut down without even seeing a single patient. What is it that you want done? At what point will you say "Okay, it's safe enough" and open things back up?
Seriously- when? What level of danger are you prepared to accept? Especially in light of the fact that this is a disease that children are essentially invincible against.
Regardless of its origins, this virus has spread to at least ten species now; you can't simply hunker down and outwait it. It's never going to go away, and we're all going to get it, sooner or later, unless we die before we have a chance to. It's been eighteen months now; it's time to accept that it wasn't as dangerous as you initially thought. Florida opened up- and things down there are just fine. New York didn't, and has a FAR higher fatality rate, despite having a younger and less densely packed populace. Texas opened up- and things down there are just fine. California didn't, and has a FAR higher fatality rate. Sweden never locked down at all, and they've hit zero deaths- they're over it. They've hit herd immunity. And that's the solution to the virus that some of us have been shouting since last March: let it burn through and burn out. Send out the young and strong to get infected and recover, that the infection-bearing population might drop below replacement level and end the pandemic. Hiding does nothing but buy time, and at a terrible cost.
The developmental damage being done to these children is going to be with them all their lives. The economic damage is set to cause runaway inflation not seen since the Great Depression. And all the people who've died from suicide, overdoses and alcoholism aren't coming back, either. Years ago, I sat and watched my mother fade away and die from cancer. If she'd been diagnosed six months earlier, she'd probably still be alive today. How many other people are you condemning to go through what I and my family did, just so you can feel safer? What level of damage is too much?
Yes. With reduced capacity and vaccinated students only. People. who have tried and liked studying from home may study from home.
Thanks for MHO!
I think people who are at risk should wear masks, socially distance, and just be more safe in general. By that, I mean older people and people with underlying health issues. Getting vaccinated and just building our immune systems is the best way to go about it. However, closing down schools (which has caused a peak in depression and teen suicide) isn't going to do anything except hurt people, as this is being used politically and the virus isn't going away.
Nope why I dropped my kids out of public schooling and now home school them when we had the first lock down and again this time. I also don’t want my kids exposed around any teachers or students vaccinated.
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Open everything. No more stupid games, no more excuses. If school faculty are afraid of the virus, there are literally millions of doses of vaccines ready to go at a drop of a hat that are getting ready to expire they can make use of and protect themselves.
No. I’d say the school board needs to figure out a better home school program. Maybe make an app that can figure out the best teaching style for that specific kid in order the keep them interested. Plus make the app pretty much the babysitter. Maybe something so if the kid is not doing what they’re supposed to be doing then it alerts the parents and the principal and have a couple of times the day when they can socialize with other kids having them do projects or play games or whatever, and all through the app. So kids with parents that both work they can be homeschooled with some type of supervision. Just an idea
No we are cheating our children and most of the “protect the children” is propaganda bullshit vía the teachers unions because teacher don’t want to work and be paid to stay home.
How many times we have to drive home the fact that ALMOST NO KIDS UNDER 18 are dying of covid. Out of 75 million people 18 and younger there has only been 360 covid deaths. The flu is much more likely to be danger to kids than COVID.
And if teachers/faculty are worried about catching covid from kids then just take the fucking vaccine
Keep them open or close them all permanently but they shouldn’t be closed down for the pandemic. Kids aren’t likely to be effected by the virus. Children have a natural immunity to it as do most other people. It is only killing people who have other medical conditions which could be complicated by the virus.
We shouldn’t punish the whole world to protect a few people that could get hurt from the virus and since so many people are immune to the effects of the virus, I don’t why they want everyone to get the vaccine when it isn’t even absolutely necessary to protect us all from the virus.
To be honest no schools should not opened during the pandemic especially when cases are going up again. I know colleges only do half online and in-person now while some are going back in person full time this fall semester. Colleges should stick to half online and in-person. I think grade schools should stick with not attending in person at all
I think it's full forward from here on out. If you live, you live.
Most cities and communities would not embrace another lock down. The problem is that the economy is damaged and anymore talk of lockdowns would be ignored top to bottom.
We have a rogue county commissioner that tried that, and he took on widespread condemnation and then after the Governor, and State Supreme Court shot him down, he being ignored and will likey lose the next election with his savior complex.
No, schools should remain open with precautions. Virtual learning isn't suitable for most kids, they often need the school environment as an oasis from a difficult home life, and there are many psychological problems associated with that isolation. Learning outcomes are much worse in a virtual setting.
Online education is torture.
I didn't suffer much from covid than i did from online classes. At this point it's better not to attend online school for the sake of mental peace. They're trynna protect the age group that's least prone to the virus and that's fucked up.
About parents tho. They're already leaving the house for their jobs cuz its not work from home for most of them. If they're not working, they leave the house for groceries and stuff. Its just a pussy excuse at this point cuz at least high school students dont need mommy to hold their hand while crossing roads.
"university staff are already permitted to physically go to school and take classes from there?"
Thats really dumb i will be honest. Thats not the case here.
"... its not work from home for most of them. If they're not working, they leave the house for groceries and stuff."
That is true, but institutions like schools employ a lot of people, most people employed in non work from home workplaces have a smaller workforce apart from a few exceptions.
I don’t think they should. I understand people wanna go to school and stuff but most education should be online right now. Or they should make it so that few people go to school and keep their distance while the rest take classes online, and then they switch it up or something.
Yes. You need to learn how to live with this virus. It's not going away. This is lunacy to isolate children.
Duuude tell me about it, depression has been at its all-time high because of the pandemic and the isolation.
@BabyGirlRobin I would say the reaction to the virus has been worse for society than the virus itself.
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Depression is so high because no one has social skills and parents don't want to be around their kids. Parents are the ones who need to get off their asses and teach, not shove into a building 7 hours a day.
I think they should close down when the area becomes a hot spot and switch to virtual until it calms down. My college is hosting large events and we’ve had an increase of almost 1,000 cases today. It made me upset because I was looking forward to in person learning, and then they decided to host 4 large events, indoors, all in one week. So we will more than likely be closing soon due to their negligence.
WEAR YOUR MOTHER FUCKING MASK...
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVE.. TAKE THE MOTHER FUCKING VAX
TAKE OAN, NEWSMAX, FOX NEWS FEEDING TUBE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH OR ASS!
It’s a fucking flu bug, get over yourselves already
Yes, kids are more at risk of suicide from isolation that dying from covid.
The fear-porn is real.
Yes, they should be in school. All the fussing and whining is a whole lot of happy horseshit.
You claim to be 64, you'll be dead in 30-40 years tops. Unable to independently exist post 85.
You don't care because you hear death coming
@Hypnos0929 - Don't be a fucking moron. What happened to 'follow the science'? Yeah, we get it, you're too fucking dumb.
Gonna cry because of your approaching death?
Bet a moron like you wishes he was young again so you actually matter
@Hypnos0929 - You really ARE a moron. Oh well.
You're a dead man who doesn't want to admit it
Yes--absolutely. Kids are less impacted by covid than they are by seasonal influenza which kills roughly twice as many kids per year. You may recall life prior to 2020--we never shut down schools for seasonal influenza.
@rcljr It didn't go anywhere. It's still there and it kills more kids under 18 per year than Covid does. Covid is a thing--it just happens to be a thing that primarily impacts the elderly and some younger people with pre-existing conditions which seem to include obesity and vitamin D inadequacy amongst other things.
@rcljr Do you think you're arguing with me? What do you think I just said?
Ofc they should. No one wants to stay at home forever. But there should be precautions taken like requiring vaccinations and wearing masks
If there aren't vaccinated and their whole family not vaccinated then it's not recommended.
pandemic will go on for years. I'd keep kids home until this blows over, then open up again.
You want to keep children home for years? Are you a psychopath or just an idiot?
@joeldalton maybe I'm not communicating well. I'm saying when it spikes send them home to do school work, worked well enough last year. When it cools down, send em back. it goes in phases.
It absolutely did not work well enough last year. The school districts lost track of thousands of children, many parents can’t just stay at home to monitor their children. It set them back academically and socially.
Problem is there is no ending principle when you use the whole if it saves one life bullshit then it will never end because you open up oh covid come back everyone close again you then open up oh someone else got it now time to close again at some point we have just gotta draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough and just get on with our lives the vaccine become more widely available now and well at this point in time if your soo damm worried about dying you get the vaccine now i don't know if kids are able to be vaccinated but if not they probably won't die anyway from it think about it more kids die from accidents and murderers every day way more than covid soo when you think about it shouldn't you just let them go to school and i get it sounds harsh they way i said it but its just the truth.
Joel your totally right about that i think the issue is having a univariate solution to a multivariate problem people seem to not realise that saving just one life bullshit as Andrew cuamo put it destroys them in other ways not just adults and their lively hoods it's also kids too because at the end of the day some kids only ever get to socialise at school pre covid see the save one life soo a kid don't die from covid will just kill em anyway in another way through depression and loneliness then they gotta think about the parents its actually really stressful raising a child and school actually helps take away some of that burden and can improve the parents happiness and in turn will improve the childs life too because kids ent stupid they know when they parents are dealing with a lot of stress and also helps the child too to not be around parents 24/7 there's a saying being around someone for too long and then yiu wish you wasn't around them at all the concept of that being it good to be around your parents for a while vut then also see your friends or even just a random interaction with a stranger you never met before helps just not being around same person 24/7 generally helps with the relationship soo thats the multivariate problem im talking about though there's just too much unintended outcome when solving a multivariate problem with a univariate solution i kind of went of an a tanjunt here but whatever.
@joeldalton girlfriend is a teacher... she thought was ok. it may depend upon where, age, tools. Let each school decide. I'd likely say vaccinated are required back, unvaccinated are recommended to stay home. that limits exposure. I wouldn't want student deaths and risk of spikes in schools on my hands... given scenario occurring in TX.
You have vaccinated people spreading covid-19. Haven’t you been paying attention?
@joeldalton yes but hard to say if our data matches. vaccine is not 100% but is effective reducing risks... apparently. at some point, it may not be effective... this isn't the last variant.
they're already calling for a booster next month. So you didn't get even 8 months out of the first round. When do you derive from that information that the vaccine is ineffective? Latest studies show vaccinated shed as much of the virus as unvaccinated.
@joeldalton booster for specific at risk, but it's coming to everyone eventually I suspect. It likely will only last that long but I'm listening to the info and making best decisions I can for me, I'm not in charge of any entity.
All reports I've seen are 95% or less effective. But that it does reduce risk of death and severity of illness. I've never seen where it is 100% effective, e. g. look at pfizer stats. This is a fluid scenario though... coronavirus' mutate all the time. This isn't gonna end unless everyone vaccinated, which isn't gonna happen. So this is life now... as I see it.
I've had covid, just got my shots. I don't want it again.
if vaccinated people can spread the disease, vaccinating everyone seems pointless.
Pretty much its just good practice to get it but shouldn't be mandatory or anything its like someone with asthma smoking its highly recommended to not smoke but as a society we have come to terms with our body our life and we don't enforce people with asthma to not smoke or people with a weak liver to not drink a bottle of whisky soo why should we change our liberty for a damm vaccine for a virus that isn't as lethal as the media makes it out to be im not vaccinated I keep getting constant damm text from nhs saying your eligible for it book now crap but i jidt don't give a damm about it if i catch it and it kills me well then i must of been cursed with bad luck and if i been cursed with such bad luck i don't think a vaccine a cure for worse luck in the world im pretty healthy and im only 24 turning 25 it won't kill me unless im that unlucky and if i was worried about dying i would of got the vaccine thats the problem with all this some people harp on about how we must save one life and how they scared to go out just incase they die its like if you are that scared then get the damm vaccine but because im not scared of dying i just cba to get it tbf its a would be a waste of a 30 min walk to the doctors
@KaylaD24 roll your dice, stay away from humans. I got covid from a homeless woman I was trying to help. I paid the price. Covid was bad for me, bad grade of flu... can't breathe. I survived. some people don't get it or don't get it bad, others do. some die. I don't like vaccines, but I got this vaccine since my immunity would be waning and can't afford to be down for a month. It's is a bad way to die... suffocating in a hospital slowly. make the best choice you can.
The good news is your immunity will likely last a lifetime, @lightbulb27
Agree with you. Online until they have more vaccinated. Everything is a mess with the Delts variant.
Education doesn’t stop. We can’t put kids’ lives on hold.
This pandemic isn’t going anywhere as long as there are antivaxers
It’s your leaky vaccine passing around the delta variant.
Yes, it is. That’s why you vaccinated fools had to put on masks again and need a 3rd booster, now.
After reading these comments all I can conclude is that there is no hope for this society and no chance that we will all not go extinct.
If we gave schools and communities the power to open and close based on Covid spikes, and to enforce mask and vax policies, yes.
If theyre claiming covid is such a big deal then NO
since only like 5 kids died from Covid , so they should be open
of course. because with distance education, children were almost ignorant.
You do realize that the government is the one making everyone sick, right? RIGHT?
Of course!! Kids aren't in any danger!
Nope
I’m glad you agree with me.
Yes, enough is enough.
No. Fuck the kids. Leave them open.
looks what's goin on in georgia.
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