You know its not a human right?

[Anonymous]

Yes it's not a human

Of course its not a human

Well yeah I'm not silly

[ohshee]

This is the most powerful and beautiful and the saddest question or my take that I have ever seen on here and I hate it because it is the truth. I am pro-life. I also in pro-choice. Because I do not like anybody to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. When were you born we are all given a gift that gift is choice choice is a more powerful word Than Love because we make choices each and every second of the day and with those choices we become who we want to become by the things we say and do it's a choice. And when we make choices we have to live by them I might not like what other people do but that is their business that is their choice and they have to figure that out I don't have to figure it out for them just because I might not like it. I'm going to hate saying this but I'm going to be honest like I said I'm pro-life. I know a 19 year old girl with no parents in the Philippines. All she talks about succeeding and becoming stronger human beings in her parents. The second time she had sex she got pregnant she can't even take care of herself has she made the choice to aboard the baby I talked to her about it for a few days and then I sent her the money what she wanted to do. Even though I'm totally against it it was her choice just like it was my choice to help her so she could carry on in her life and try to become the best did she can become I understand her choice that she made I do believe in her choice but it's something that I had to back and I don't like myself for it but that's my choice. And I have to deal with my choice and to pay the price for making that choice.

[Asker]

You can't be pro life and pro choice. You're just pro choice.

[ohshee]

Well thank you I thought I was confused for a minute LOL no I truly am and I am pro- life you are right that is me but at the same time I believe every woman should have that right to choose and if a woman needed somebody to back her play I would be there to back her play because it's her choice it's her right not anybody else's

[Asker]

That's pro choice...

[ohshee]

Yes I know

[ohshee]

It's all so pro-choice

[Asker]

You're saying you're pro life but describing yourself as pro choice it's confusing

[ohshee]

Okay for me as a human being I am pro-choice that is my choice if I was to have a baby it is my choice to carry that baby if you have it my choice now

Now as a human being this Pretender somebody is going to have a baby but they are going to abort it that is their choice nobody else is whether it's wrong or right or indifferent that's their choice and if people were to bully her or tell her no it's not your choice I would stand in front of her and I would say yes it is her choice

[Asker]

Yes that is pro-choice... Pro choice isn't pro abortion it's pro the woman's right to choose to carry the pregnancy or not.

[ohshee]

Yes exactly for me I would have to have the baby. but for anybody else it's their choice I can't tell them what to do it's up to them. All I know is what I would do

[ohshee]

So what would you do

[Asker]

I'm pro choice. Infertile most likely. Higher chance of issues occuring if I do end up pregnant so I'd terminate if I do.

[Youdumbeotch]

The argument isn’t whether you’re pro choice or pro life. It’s whether you can federalize abortions in states that otherwise wouldn’t stand for it. That’s why Roe v Wade is so huge for Dems because they wouldn’t otherwise be able to have abortion clinics in Southern States within urban communities - where ps majority of blacks still reside.

[Dyspraxic]

love this answer, feel the same, pro choice but were it to come down to you yourself you’d choose life.

[ohshee]

Yes 100% that's just because I believe in the things that I believe in that's my choice just like it's a girl's choice to do what she wants to do and even though I might not like what she wants to do it's none of my business and that you either have to respect her wishes or I don't but like I said it somebody was being bullied because of her choice or her decision would step in front of them and say back because she has that right this is her decision her choice and that choice and that decision is hard enough without anybody else in her face telling her what she can and cannot do

[Dyspraxic]

I agree completely.

My brother was going to be aborted but my mother decided not to do it and now I have one of the most impactful role models in my life I wouldn’t know what it would be like without him. But my mother went through hell raising him alone, and the people that don’t want that, or can’t support that have every right to abort. It’s still the possibility of a human at that point not human yet, so aborting should no count be deemed ‘wrong’ in any sense, I’m glad a live in a place that supports this ideology. I also love that I you share somewhat a similar idea around it, something nice about finding common opinions with people.

[GoldenAxer]

I'm not sure if the real debate is whether that thing is human or from its potential to be one in the future. There is still for me, as a guy, a complex emotional response when a girl tells me she's pregnant that makes me want to marry her, build up hopes and dreams, only to be bitterly disappointed and possibly even traumatized if she aborts. She had the skewed physiology burden of carrying it (something I can't fix) but I share the emotional burden of creating it.

I am not pro-life by the way. I just think this argument is way more complicated than it appears and typically manifests at least in the cases where the sex (most likely unprotected) was consensual. I don't want to criminalize abortion but I don't like the rhetoric like this fetus should be considered meaningless to us guys.

[Asker]

It's not a human

[GoldenAxer]

The point I was trying to make is that I don't think it matters. A girl could tell me she's pregnant within 2 weeks of pregnancy. She won't even have something growing inside of her that resembles even that, only a ball of cells that won't even have a discernible head, or eyes, or limbs, or torso. A problem I find with the overall discussion (even though I'm pro-choice) is that it makes it sound like we guys are immune to the emotional burden of the pregnancy just because we don't have to shoulder the physiological one.

[doopayo]

Lmaoo people on this thread are getting pressed for no reason 💀

[tatianamay]

lmfaooo

[ohshee]

Elephants are going extinct they are getting killed off left and right for their Ivory there's not many left.
One of the most beautiful eyes you will ever see in this world you will see on the elephant. They are also the saddest eyes I've ever seen in this world

[Stoner710]

It is a human it’s a 12 week old unborn human that is a separate being from the mother therefore you don’t have the right to kill it.

You have the right to give it up for adoption. You have a right to make sure your not getting pregnant with birth control or not having sex but you do not have the right to murder an innocent unborn human.

this isn’t bacteria with not a virus it’s not a parasite so if you think this isn’t human. It can’t be a fetus because you don’t think it’s human

definition of fetus noun

an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

So if it’s not a human to you it’s not a parasite virus, or bacteria what is it? Also if the baby is not separate from the month we does the mother now have 20 fingers and toes and if the baby is male does the mother now have a penis?

[Asker]

Not a human being 🙄

[Stoner710]

It is a human being just like the mother and father it took to make this human. Or do human reproduce Asexually now? Explaining to me how this creature as you would like to call it come to be formed.

[Asker]

By elephants.

[Asker]

You don't even know what a human fetus looks like

[Stoner710]

Sure I do it’s called ultra sound technology
www.expectationsultrasound.com/.../

That is that about between 15-37 weeks tell me is that not a human?

[Asker]

I just said the picture is not a human fetus.

[genuinlysensitive]

Its called trolling.

[Stoner710]

@genuinlysensitive fine I’m getting trolled my facts are still facts

[Celtero]

And the image on the right is NOT a kangaroo suckling on its mother's teat. It is a clump of cells. Baby kangaroos are cute and furry because that's the way I like them.

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Cute mama and baby Kanga (left) Parasitic red jellybean (right)

[BrosephBrostar]

Cheeky. Look, I have Joseph Joestar, the king of ruse cruises as my profile picture, so I do appreciate a good prank, but if this is the tactic you have to resort to to "own the cons", it really isn't helping your argument as much as you think it is.

It's coming off as really desperate to avoid dealing with the moral issues of aborting life that is capable of becoming human.

[normalice]

Even if it was, the fact is no one has the right to use another person's body without their consent. Bill Gates isn't allowed to kidap you off the street and remove your liver just because he'll die without it.

[Anonymous]

You don't get to decide that. People will decide how they feel about it themselves.
It obviously would be just like you and me if you didn't kill it, so it's clearly human on some level.
Your comfortability with killing it doesn't define reality.

[Asker]

I'm not killing elephant embryos

[Opinion Owner]

So just the human ones?

[Asker]

This isn't a human one. But yes human ones can be terminated ☺️ pro choice bby

[Opinion Owner]

I'm pro-choice, doesn't mean we should be scummy about it.

[Asker]

How am I being scummy?

[Opinion Owner]

It's obviously a human life. Your meme image saying "tough shit" or you making emojis and making light of it is not a good look. A life is being terminated, being legal doesn't make it not a horrible and gross thing to happen.

[Asker]

The picture is literally an elephant embryo

[Opinion Owner]

I know. I got that part. But it's making the same point. The fact that it's an elephant is just part of the joke. It still is taking a jab at people against abortion regardless.

[Asker]

Eh pro lifers deserve to be stabbed a little

[Opinion Owner]

Aaaand that's the attitude I'm talking about. That's being scummy, dude.

[Asker]

Not really. What they do is scummy.

[Opinion Owner]

They're the ones caring about life, so I don't see any dignity in fighting against *life* so hard. But regardless, it wouldn't absolve you of being scummy in return anyway. How about being a cool and respectful person? Are you going to fight me on that because tribes?

[Asker]

They don't actually care about life though. That's the problem. They care more about an unborn fetus than the mother herself. They care more about the birth of a child than the thousands of children in foster care. The whole reason why these higher up senators and bullshit people want people to have babies is because then there will be more babies put up for adoption. Adoption agencies are private. They make money off adopting out babies. Anywhere from less than 1k to 100k+ PER BABY. THEY DONT CARE ABOUT LIFE. They just want to make money. If they wanted to reduce abortions because they care about life they would vouch for better sex Ed, free contraception, maternity leave, universal healthcare.

[Youdumbeotch]

OP don’t bother with her clearly she’s possessed. Her point was to show that unborn human life is irrelevant and terminable by using an image of a elephants embryo. Deceptive. I’m her view she should fuck like a nymph, murder without guilt and be educated for free.

[Dyspraxic]

@Youdumbeotch is Nymph an insult? They’re a fun fantasy I reckon…. kinda like god.

[Opinion Owner]

@Youdumbeotch I've got to at least bait it out of her so it's on full display.

@Asker So it's all some big money making scheme? I think if you actually spoke to any of them you'd find they're normal people. MOST people value children's lives over adult displeasure. If you can agree that abortion is disgusting and horrible and would ideally never be done, then you should be able to appreciate that the only difference is that they see it as killing a child. And it's utterly normal to object to the killing of a child. Making up some conspiracy theory is the only way you're going to make people who are saying not to kill children to look bad. That's why there's that narrative.

[Youdumbeotch]

@Dyspraxic nymph isn’t an insult just a description of her sexual prowess.

These women want to fuck as much as they’d like without the consequences, they want to murder innocent life without consequences and they want everything given to them for free. And if not they will act out

[Asker]

I guess you failed to read other comments where I said I was likely infertile. How classy of you to make that assumption.

[Dyspraxic]

@Youdumbeotch who wouldn’t wanna fuck without consequence that’s be fine as hell

[Youdumbeotch]

@Dyspraxic That’s your path in life.

[Opinion Owner]

There are consequences though, that’s why it’s presented as a problem.

[Dyspraxic]

@Youdumbeotch that makes me excited now woo 😚

[anylolone]

It's an ungulate embrio.
So it's an ungulate, or are you going to tell me it's not an ungulate?
I'm gonna guess an elephant or a cow, because of the neck and arms.

This is not an avian, or a carnivore, it's an ungulate.

[Daniela1982]

@anylolone Well your mother seemed to think you were more. Did she make a mistake?

[anylolone]

@Daniela1982 Nope, because I wasn't an ungulate (roofed animal).

This is not a human fetus, this is something like a cow or an elephant.
Look at the neck and arms. At this period, there's already some finger separation, the hands should already look like "fins" in humans.

[Daniela1982]

Hell, I wouldn't know an elephant from a human embryo at that stage.

[anylolone]

@Daniela1982 Well, look at the differences.

[DCooper]

We could take a dna sample and find out. You're not one of those acience deniers, are ya?

[Asker]

I don't know how you take a DNA sample from a cartoon image but ok

[Youdumbeotch]

What does that become? A human, therefore it’s human.

You clearly aren’t despite appearing to be one. Devil

[Asker]

It's an elephant embryo

[Youdumbeotch]

Impression is being made is that it’s early development of human life. Most embryos look similar in early development. The argument you and many secularists make is that it’s not human unless birthed, yet so called science lovers define life in space as a eukaryotic cell, simple cell life forms.

[Asker]

I don't say that at all. It just a joke

[joeldalton]

So odd you asked this question anonymously. Why did you do that?

[msc545]

Yes, that is a human - what did you think it was, a crocodile?

[Asker]

It's not a human

[msc545]

well then, what is it?

[Asker]

An elephant

[msc545]

I doubt that

[Asker]

It literally is

[msc545]

where did you get the image?

[Asker]

The interwebs where else

[Snakeyes7]

Why isn't it human? It comes from humans and it becomes a human so what makes it not human?

[Asker]

But it doesn't. Y'all don't even know what a human fetus looks like 🤣

[Snakeyes7]

Oh it's an animal fetus isn't it? You got me.

[tatianamay]

You were one of those.

[Asker]

No I wasn't

[tatianamay]

Now I wonder how you passed high school biology..

[doopayo]

@tatianamay it’s an elephant embryo 💀?

[tatianamay]

@doopayo lmfao

[Asker]

;) i wonder how you passed

[tatianamay]

Oh, don't worry honey, I skipped a grade and have a perfect GPA :)

[Asker]

... GPA doesn't matter after school 😂

[tatianamay]

It does matter to get into a good college. :)

[Asker]

You can be smart and successful without college sweetie.

[tatianamay]

I know that. But I'm gonna either go to law school or med school, and it needs good grades. Not interested in tech stuff or business.

[jshm2]

You know you were one of those once, right?

[Asker]

Nope

[Agape93]

Impossible lol

[Agape93]

Wasn't that like an elephant or a rhino embryo?

[Jamie05rhs]

Correct. Abortion is not a human right.

[Asker]

Well actually it is

[Asker]

Factually incorrect

[Jamie05rhs]

Hey- you're the one who said it; not me.

[Asker]

I didn't actually.

[Asker]

Nowhere in this question did I mention abortion

[Daniela1982]

Abortion is a procedure, not a human being. Just remember partial birth abortions were legal once too and that was pure murder.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Daniela1982 Yes, abortion is a procedure. The human being is what gets killed during that procedure.

[Asker]

Abortions happen without procedures. Abortions happen naturally. Abortions happen when the fetus is already dead. So no it's not always the case.

[Daniela1982]

That is not abortion, it is being still born.

[Asker]

Sometimes people need help birthing a fetus that has passed away. That's still an abortion. It's still the removal of an embryo or fetus

[shortster]

Which animal is it then?

[Asker]

Elephant 🐘

[shortster]

Oh okay, I can kind of see that.

[Neosporin]

Not my table to argue this so yeah ok 👌

[CuriousAZ]

Idiotic poll. Of course its a human life

[goaded]

Haha! Elephant!

[Asker]

It is not human life 😤

[Anonymous]

If they ran a DNA test, what would it come up as?

[Asker]

An elephant

[Daniela1982]

Oh come on. Your DNA is transferred with the chromosomes when the egg is fertilized. So it is a human, even though the fetus at first seems like something else. You can't even tell if it is a boy or girl for a period of time as they look alike until their DNA tells it to be a girl or boy and the sex organs begin to develop.

[Jayplays900]

Kill the baby and the mother, boom! Equality!