I understand it. I don’t believe in it, because it’s just a theory that has not been proven yet and there are several other theories that sound plausible. We won’t know for sure until later
It's been proven (which is to say tested) for 150 years, and has never been disproven. There have been mistakes and surprises, but only along the lines of how it works (DNA, etc.), not what it is.
In fact, not many theories have been superceded in the last century (although you might be surprised at how recent some discoveries have been, like galaxies and plate tectonics).
@supercutebutt that’s not what I meant. I know evolution exists, I’m saying the specific way we evolved/how we evolved is what I don’t have a conclusion on?
Evolution *within* species possibly. It takes far more blind faith to believe there's no creator than believing in God does.
For example, the laws of physics say an object at rest remains at rest until affected by an external force. So accepting this scientific "proof" what caused the big bang? According to evolutionary theory the way it's taught, everything in the universe began as a single molecule that exploded. Why did it explode? Simple: God said "Let there be Light"...
@DJB72 Pretty much everything you just said is wrong on so many levels... There's nothing seperating evolution "within" a species and evolution "outside" a species. The entire concept of what constitutes and individual "species" is completely arbitrary in the first place. Asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what's south of the South Pole. Perhaps there was something before, perhaps there wasn't. "We don't know" does not equal "God". "According to evolutionary theory the way it's taught, everything in the universe began as a single molecule that exploded." So many things wrong with this. First of all, the big bang model has NOTHING to do with biological evolution as it doesn't deal with the origin of the universe, just the origin of individual species. Secondly, even ignoring that, the big bang model does not propose that the entire universe began as a singular "molecule". A molecule requires matter and there was no matter before the big bang. Your understanding of both evolution and the big bang are honestly pathetic.
@AD240pCharlie So "species" is an arbitrary term? Interesting. You're saying a parrot and a rottweiler are the same then?
There is nothing South of the South Pole. What's your point, because that statement on its own supports mine?
I love how "atheists" manage to get themselves so worked up. You do know that it's just possible that there might be an intelligent creator, surely?
The Big Bang theory encompasses the origins of everything in the material universe - including biological development. Secondly, if there was no matter before the big bang, where did it come from?
Your limited Intelligence insists there can't be a deity that created the universe. Frankly that's truly pathetic.
Why the hostility? I only ever encounter it from people terrified that I might be right.
No, I do not. If my ancestor were a monkey I should be able to talk like a monkey and a monkey should be able to talk like me; and I should be able to swing from tree to tree with my prehensile tail like a monkey and the monkey should be able to drive cars and use cellphones like me.
I think you might have missed a few details of how it works.
You are descended from your great-great-great grandparents, right? They're not still around, but there's a good chance you have fourth or fifth cousins also descended from the same couple. They probably don't look as much like you as your siblings do.
Now, try imagining your 50th cousins, descended from a couple who lived in about the year 1000 (I could be one of them!), you wouldn't recognise them as family.
Your 500th cousins would have had a common ancestor living about 9000 years BC and be spread all over the world.
Keep going back, and imagine your 5000th cousins, or your 50000th cousins. Some of them might be quite a bit hairier than you and live in trees.
The common ancestors and their peers have long ago turned to dust, or (very rarely) fossils, but their descendants, who all looked very much like their parents, now look very different from their distant ancestors and very different to each other.
Go back a long way further, and everything with a mouth (and another end) is probably related.
Nice comment that you got from the main stream media OK professor since you know this for sure you probably are well educated in this area which evolution are you talking about?
We have way more than enough evidence to know for sure that evolution happens. If you're referring to the details regarding it and EXACTLY how and when every single organism evolved and how they're all connected, then sure we don't have a precise understanding of everything regarding it yet.
Not anymore because not only are they lying to us about everything from climate change to viruses. If evolution is real a fish would not be a fish it would be a human. A monkey would not be a monkey it would be human. So yea it is fake.
@Mango-man the controllers of this world. The people who control all the information put out in school and on the news. They are lying to us about basically everything. Then they mock us on top of that to say that monkeys turned into humans yet the monkeys are still monkeys.
@Mango-man You wanna know who works for them? Just turn on the TV. Everybody on the news, all big celebrities. All big companies. Walmart, McDonalds. All the people who are going along with the covid hoax. There are people online who are agents too I don't know how much they get paid or even if some are bots but they go online and leave comments to support all of this fakery in the world.
All big politicians are controlled as well. Whether Republican or Democrat they all spew the same fake nonsense and argue over things that are meaningless to make us fight.
That is exactly what they would say. Especially if they wanted me to get sick... they would claim that the covid is hoax. So I don't trust random strangers on the internet if they are unable to provide reliable proof of their claims.
@Mango-man I have to show you proof? The proof is in the reality you see every day. How many sick people have you seen in public dropping like flies since February 2020? There is your answer. It is a hoax.
That is not valid proof because: 1) Nobody is claiming that people with COVID "drop like flies in public". 2) People who get hospitalised with COVID are first feeling sick thus they stay home where the ambulance picks then up 3) I had seen enough of special ambulances for transportation of COVID patients and many of our family friends died of COVID... unless you are suggesting they died from faking the symptoms.
Otherwise I had not seen a single person getting killed by car thus cars don't cause any deaths and any car crashes must be hoax to sell more safety belts!
@Mango-man Remember the footage from China where people were dropping like flies? Why did we not see that here at all? They lie and tell us they had a big truck full of bodies yet we never saw any of these bodies. The way this is a hoax is people are getting sick but not the way they tell you they are. They also counted the flu and pneumonia as covid. If you wanna live in fear the rest of your life like they want you to that is fine. Just be prepared because they are never going to stop scaring you with fake viruses. 2020 woke me up. I researched viruses and learned about terrain theory and never looked back. I don't wear a mask in public places unless I can't get around it and I will never take their vaccine. So either you live in fear or you be a man and live your life it is up to you.
Maybe in your country, but not in Europe. Here we have these PCR tests to verify that people really do have COVID because our insurance companies are really stingy with money since they are, you know, paid from public money. Ooooh! You must be a real genius if your research took only 1 year and you already got strong results that support your hypothesis. Especially considering that normal people need 4-5 years to get their masters degree to become real scientists. Could you have by any chance already published your results? I would be really interested in reading your scientific article! Especially is it actually managed to disprove the Louis Pasteur's research.
@Mango-man You are a fucking moron if you weigh intelligence on a fucking college degree. College makes you dumber not smarter. It is an indoctrination where they put things in your head. You memeorize shit. That is what college does. I made the honor roll twice in my life because I memorized shit. It doesn't mean you are smart it means you have a good memory. My knowledge comes from doing my own research that is gonna save my life while someone brain dead such as yourself will let the government destroy your immune system with multiple boosters. I am done with this conversation because you are retarded.
I am sorry you spent your days "memorising shit", I would have picked a different topic for my thesis. However, this shouldn't allow you to call watching YouTube videos as "research", otherwise I would be master chef, musician, and a blacksmith. Or if you say that official education isn't required for science, would you actually let "doctor" (medicine = health science) who learned everything from videos perform a surgery of your heart or kidney?
Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is practically undeniable fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major patterns of change
It is not a question of ‘believing’ in evolution. Evolution through natural selection is observable reality and where the physical evidence of the past leads. Evolution is the only rational evidence-based position.
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Al-Anbiya' - The Prophets - 21:30 (Sura: 21, Verse: 30)
Yes even though I'm a Christian, whose most fundamental sects say that creation was done in 6 days and on the 7th God rested, but ho is to say that God is still not working on creation and what we see as 'evolution' is God tweaking his creation? Nobody has ever said how long Gods working 'Day' is.
There is a Created, meaning there is a Creator. It didn't happen by accident. Creation includes the ascent of life, which is sometimes called Evolution. There is no doubt that exists. So that's a yes.
@Sonorous Speak for yourself Mr. I ain’t an animal in fact we are much better than them in different ways and there’s no way to compare between the two. So, whoever came up with these stupid lies is an idiots. ✌🏻
So you don't believe we're all living organisms that feed on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous systems and able to respond rapidly to stimuli?
@Sonorous Don’t twist my words into another matter or topics. Humans are something & animals are something else and you know exactly what I mean by that.
I'm not twisting any words. That's the definition of "animal." I asked that because if you disagree that we're animals, you're disagreeing that we're all living organisms that feed on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous systems and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.
To a point yes, I don't believe in human evolution from primates but I believe humans can evolve from their environments like animals can, hence the variety in our species.
If we didn't evolve from primates, then why can we connect the dots of that being so? The bread crumbs are very easy to understand when you know how to discern different dates, species & their developments.
I am a person that believes in creation so I won't argue human evolution from primates couldn't possibly be true. It's just what I believe vs what evidence is uncovered but I'll still prefer to believe in creation
That's something I don't buy but again who am I to say that couldn't be true? I just believe that humans were created in God's image and the human race we know today evolved from that
@sensible27 - I think they're more likely to disagree when things draw attention to the limitations of their own free will or significance. Whereas, it would likely be easy for them to look at another species & say that it would apply to them.
No, I believe humans have always been humans. They probably changed a good deal over the years (like micro evolution), but I don't think they could have added new stuff to their DNA.
Believe? I can believe in theory that doesn't offer any pro or contra evidences. Evolution offers thousands of evidence which confirm this theory but no evidences that evolution is wrong.
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I understand it. I don’t believe in it, because it’s just a theory that has not been proven yet and there are several other theories that sound plausible. We won’t know for sure until later
It's been proven (which is to say tested) for 150 years, and has never been disproven. There have been mistakes and surprises, but only along the lines of how it works (DNA, etc.), not what it is.
In fact, not many theories have been superceded in the last century (although you might be surprised at how recent some discoveries have been, like galaxies and plate tectonics).
en.wikipedia.org/.../Superseded_theories_in_science
Gravity is also "just" a theory... just saying...
LOL! It's time for someone to start paying attention in school.
@supercutebutt She's doing OK.
@supercutebutt that’s not what I meant. I know evolution exists, I’m saying the specific way we evolved/how we evolved is what I don’t have a conclusion on?
Okay, what for other theories you want to propose. Creationism?🤣
I’m not religious
Evolution *within* species possibly. It takes far more blind faith to believe there's no creator than believing in God does.
For example, the laws of physics say an object at rest remains at rest until affected by an external force. So accepting this scientific "proof" what caused the big bang? According to evolutionary theory the way it's taught, everything in the universe began as a single molecule that exploded. Why did it explode? Simple: God said "Let there be Light"...
@DJB72 Pretty much everything you just said is wrong on so many levels...
There's nothing seperating evolution "within" a species and evolution "outside" a species. The entire concept of what constitutes and individual "species" is completely arbitrary in the first place.
Asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what's south of the South Pole. Perhaps there was something before, perhaps there wasn't. "We don't know" does not equal "God".
"According to evolutionary theory the way it's taught, everything in the universe began as a single molecule that exploded." So many things wrong with this. First of all, the big bang model has NOTHING to do with biological evolution as it doesn't deal with the origin of the universe, just the origin of individual species. Secondly, even ignoring that, the big bang model does not propose that the entire universe began as a singular "molecule". A molecule requires matter and there was no matter before the big bang.
Your understanding of both evolution and the big bang are honestly pathetic.
@AD240pCharlie
So "species" is an arbitrary term? Interesting. You're saying a parrot and a rottweiler are the same then?
There is nothing South of the South Pole. What's your point, because that statement on its own supports mine?
I love how "atheists" manage to get themselves so worked up. You do know that it's just possible that there might be an intelligent creator, surely?
The Big Bang theory encompasses the origins of everything in the material universe - including biological development. Secondly, if there was no matter before the big bang, where did it come from?
Your limited Intelligence insists there can't be a deity that created the universe. Frankly that's truly pathetic.
Why the hostility? I only ever encounter it from people terrified that I might be right.
No, I do not. If my ancestor were a monkey I should be able to talk like a monkey and a monkey should be able to talk like me; and I should be able to swing from tree to tree with my prehensile tail like a monkey and the monkey should be able to drive cars and use cellphones like me.
I think you might have missed a few details of how it works.
You are descended from your great-great-great grandparents, right? They're not still around, but there's a good chance you have fourth or fifth cousins also descended from the same couple. They probably don't look as much like you as your siblings do.
Now, try imagining your 50th cousins, descended from a couple who lived in about the year 1000 (I could be one of them!), you wouldn't recognise them as family.
Your 500th cousins would have had a common ancestor living about 9000 years BC and be spread all over the world.
Keep going back, and imagine your 5000th cousins, or your 50000th cousins. Some of them might be quite a bit hairier than you and live in trees.
The common ancestors and their peers have long ago turned to dust, or (very rarely) fossils, but their descendants, who all looked very much like their parents, now look very different from their distant ancestors and very different to each other.
Go back a long way further, and everything with a mouth (and another end) is probably related.
Even further back, everything made up of cells...
I don't "believe", i know and accept the facts supporting the scientific theory of evolution.
Not enough evidence to know for sure
Yes, there is plenty of evidence.
And there hasn't been any scientific theory disproving evolution or even offer an alternative with the same amount of evidence supporting it.
Nice comment that you got from the main stream media OK professor since you know this for sure you probably are well educated in this area which evolution are you talking about?
We have way more than enough evidence to know for sure that evolution happens. If you're referring to the details regarding it and EXACTLY how and when every single organism evolved and how they're all connected, then sure we don't have a precise understanding of everything regarding it yet.
Obviously.
All life evolves. We evolve our physiology, thought processes and emotional patterns from moment to moment - this is patently clear.
Not anymore because not only are they lying to us about everything from climate change to viruses. If evolution is real a fish would not be a fish it would be a human. A monkey would not be a monkey it would be human. So yea it is fake.
Just out of interest, who are those "they" that you mentioned?
@Mango-man the controllers of this world. The people who control all the information put out in school and on the news. They are lying to us about basically everything. Then they mock us on top of that to say that monkeys turned into humans yet the monkeys are still monkeys.
And how do I you don't work for them? Or for the any of the other groups that supposedly fight over the world control?
@Mango-man You wanna know who works for them? Just turn on the TV. Everybody on the news, all big celebrities. All big companies. Walmart, McDonalds. All the people who are going along with the covid hoax. There are people online who are agents too I don't know how much they get paid or even if some are bots but they go online and leave comments to support all of this fakery in the world.
All big politicians are controlled as well. Whether Republican or Democrat they all spew the same fake nonsense and argue over things that are meaningless to make us fight.
That is exactly what they would say. Especially if they wanted me to get sick... they would claim that the covid is hoax. So I don't trust random strangers on the internet if they are unable to provide reliable proof of their claims.
@Mango-man I have to show you proof? The proof is in the reality you see every day. How many sick people have you seen in public dropping like flies since February 2020? There is your answer. It is a hoax.
That is not valid proof because: 1) Nobody is claiming that people with COVID "drop like flies in public". 2) People who get hospitalised with COVID are first feeling sick thus they stay home where the ambulance picks then up 3) I had seen enough of special ambulances for transportation of COVID patients and many of our family friends died of COVID... unless you are suggesting they died from faking the symptoms.
Otherwise I had not seen a single person getting killed by car thus cars don't cause any deaths and any car crashes must be hoax to sell more safety belts!
@Mango-man Remember the footage from China where people were dropping like flies? Why did we not see that here at all? They lie and tell us they had a big truck full of bodies yet we never saw any of these bodies. The way this is a hoax is people are getting sick but not the way they tell you they are. They also counted the flu and pneumonia as covid. If you wanna live in fear the rest of your life like they want you to that is fine. Just be prepared because they are never going to stop scaring you with fake viruses. 2020 woke me up. I researched viruses and learned about terrain theory and never looked back. I don't wear a mask in public places unless I can't get around it and I will never take their vaccine. So either you live in fear or you be a man and live your life it is up to you.
Maybe in your country, but not in Europe. Here we have these PCR tests to verify that people really do have COVID because our insurance companies are really stingy with money since they are, you know, paid from public money.
Ooooh! You must be a real genius if your research took only 1 year and you already got strong results that support your hypothesis. Especially considering that normal people need 4-5 years to get their masters degree to become real scientists. Could you have by any chance already published your results? I would be really interested in reading your scientific article! Especially is it actually managed to disprove the Louis Pasteur's research.
@Mango-man You are a fucking moron if you weigh intelligence on a fucking college degree. College makes you dumber not smarter. It is an indoctrination where they put things in your head. You memeorize shit. That is what college does. I made the honor roll twice in my life because I memorized shit. It doesn't mean you are smart it means you have a good memory. My knowledge comes from doing my own research that is gonna save my life while someone brain dead such as yourself will let the government destroy your immune system with multiple boosters. I am done with this conversation because you are retarded.
I am sorry you spent your days "memorising shit", I would have picked a different topic for my thesis.
However, this shouldn't allow you to call watching YouTube videos as "research", otherwise I would be master chef, musician, and a blacksmith.
Or if you say that official education isn't required for science, would you actually let "doctor" (medicine = health science) who learned everything from videos perform a surgery of your heart or kidney?
Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is practically undeniable fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major patterns of change
It is not a question of ‘believing’ in evolution.
Evolution through natural selection is observable reality and where the physical evidence of the past leads.
Evolution is the only rational evidence-based position.
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Al-Anbiya' - The Prophets - 21:30 (Sura: 21, Verse: 30)
The Quran says we came from the water
Not at all. It doesn’t make sense and seems very silly when you deeply think about it.
What part of it do you think is "very silly"?
Can you explain "how deeply"? (And what the deep thought is)
Yes even though I'm a Christian, whose most fundamental sects say that creation was done in 6 days and on the 7th God rested, but ho is to say that God is still not working on creation and what we see as 'evolution' is God tweaking his creation?
Nobody has ever said how long Gods working 'Day' is.
There is a Created, meaning there is a Creator. It didn't happen by accident. Creation includes the ascent of life, which is sometimes called Evolution. There is no doubt that exists. So that's a yes.
It's a crock of 💩 just like everything else in america
Um.. woat
Yeah, I believe in science and the scientific community, and there is sure enough scientific evidence for that to be basic knowledge.
As for evolution I absolutely do believe in it & nowadays some people are proof it’s moving in reverse.
I’m not an idiot to believe this shit whoever brainwashed people with it
Are we not animals?
@Sonorous Speak for yourself Mr. I ain’t an animal in fact we are much better than them in different ways and there’s no way to compare between the two. So, whoever came up with these stupid lies is an idiots. ✌🏻
So you don't believe we're all living organisms that feed on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous systems and able to respond rapidly to stimuli?
@Sonorous Don’t twist my words into another matter or topics. Humans are something & animals are something else and you know exactly what I mean by that.
I'm not twisting any words. That's the definition of "animal." I asked that because if you disagree that we're animals, you're disagreeing that we're all living organisms that feed on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous systems and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.
It seems to be a very good possibility as to being true.
To a point yes, I don't believe in human evolution from primates but I believe humans can evolve from their environments like animals can, hence the variety in our species.
If we didn't evolve from primates, then why can we connect the dots of that being so? The bread crumbs are very easy to understand when you know how to discern different dates, species & their developments.
I am a person that believes in creation so I won't argue human evolution from primates couldn't possibly be true. It's just what I believe vs what evidence is uncovered but I'll still prefer to believe in creation
What if we were created. But created to evolve?
That's something I don't buy but again who am I to say that couldn't be true? I just believe that humans were created in God's image and the human race we know today evolved from that
I was told that as well growing up.
It's odd when people don't realise, that everything evolves.. and that isn't just restricted to biological systems.
@sensible27 - I think they're more likely to disagree when things draw attention to the limitations of their own free will or significance. Whereas, it would likely be easy for them to look at another species & say that it would apply to them.
Get your DNA sequenced, then compare it to chimpanzee, bonobo, gorilla, and orangutan DNA.
You're an ape, just like them, all humans are.
No, I believe humans have always been humans. They probably changed a good deal over the years (like micro evolution), but I don't think they could have added new stuff to their DNA.
Believe? I can believe in theory that doesn't offer any pro or contra evidences. Evolution offers thousands of evidence which confirm this theory but no evidences that evolution is wrong.
No I'd rather believe in this dope being watching me from up above who I haven't seen and don't need to cuz guess what they're fictional