Do you believe in evolution?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[Apulu_3]

Ok I'm not judging anyone who don't agree to this but whoever listened to their science teacher will know that it is true. It is believed that after dinosaurs became extinct a meteor came along with 1 or more cells. In these millions of years these cells turned to various animal species which we see now and were are one of them. The other possibility is that the cells or microbes which survived the meteor attack have evolved and we are those evolved cells or microbes.

[goaded]

You're looking in the right direction, but life took billions, not millions of years to evolve from single cell organisms. After the meteor strike that probably killed off most life including the large dinosaurs, plants and smaller or water-borne creatures were able to survive the resulting lean times and go on to evolve into the species we see today.

[Apulu_3]

@goaded Yes. I'm sorry for that silly mistake.

[tatianamay]

Lmao dear god, these comments are cracking me up 😂

And yes, obviously

[Talea]

right? I can't believe how many stupid people there are in this forum

[ChrisMaster69]

I believe in evolution, humans have evolved, well most of us, as they are definitely some missing links on GaG.

The biggest problem is people use Religion in place of everything.

we have scientists with a theory, which is hard to prove in some regards as because it’s science, they work to disprove / prove a theory, it’s rarely If ever fact.

this Forbes article is pretty good.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/22/scientific-proof-is-a-myth/?sh=434f07dd2fb1

I am very much in the evolution camp, as the other alternatives become even more weird and there MUST be other alternatives as you cannot simply discount one entirely, admittedly some are purely based on faith and have no physics, maths, archeology etc to back them up.

i could say that actually all existing life was transported to earth by aliens.

it occurred a while after the demise of the dinosaurs which the aliens killed.

But then where did the aliens come from, how did they evolve…. Etc.

or I could say, actually that Big Bang was by some mega god or gods, as remember religion has also been subjected to evolution, who can say who is right with religion?

anyhow, let’s god with the God / Gods thing rather than Big Bang, where did the God (s) come from, what are / were they made from, where did that come from etc etc.

while it’s easy for some people to totally discount the theory of evolution, they don’t have much better to hold up to scrutiny.

one scientific thing I would put money on is Time Travel, in theory it’s impossible, however if it was possible, then Religion would ban it or condemn any work towards it, imagine going back to x period when someone was supposed to be doing something and it was wrong (or it could be right), that is a gamble I bet religion would never take.

Evolution as a theory and one with a lot of very good supporting information, is for me the horse to bet on.

Even human evolution can be seen, changes in diet, changes in crops, Hunter gathers, changes in language etc all got to how we as humans are constantly evolving.

[Exterminatore]

I do not. It is not scientific. First of all it’s called the THEORY of evolution but it’s taught as absolute fact.


It’s not scientific for 2 reasons. Things must be repeatable according to the scientific method, and clearly this is not. In fact if evolution were true let me tell you how unrepeatable it would be. Those who support the Big Bang theory typically believe that 1 very densely packed atom exploded into all the planets and comets and stars and everything in existence. Here on planet earth following the Big Bang there was primordial ooze out of which single celled organisms evolved. They evolved into more and more complex organisms until we have what we have today. Scientists say the Big Bang and the resulting creation of the cosmos and life was a random event, so random in fact that for it to be true you’d need to take every atom in the universe (there’s probably billions of atoms in the phone I’m typing this on alone) and put them into a bag. You’d have to take 10 of those atoms and paint them red, then have someone pull out all 10 one after the other. I only remember the story to show the statistical odds that the Big Bang theory and the supposed evolution that resulted is not true and forgot the accompanying number and exponents for the statistical formula. Let’s just say it’s a gigantic number with insanely huge exponents.


The Big Bang that supposedly stared all this violates at least 2 known and proven scientific principals. The first is the law of conservation of mass which part of the laws of thermodynamics and it states matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change forms. If this is so…where did that densely packed atom that exploded into everything come from? Must have created itself. That violates another scientific principal: you can not create something from nothing. It presents a problem because every thing on earth was created from material that has always been here. Can’t create something from nothing. That brings us to the next law violated in regards to evolution. There are no changes of kind observable anywhere. Think back to high school science. Remember kingdom, phylum, species etc as a means of scientifically classifying animals? I do believe in evolution on a micro scale. Like I believe 1 trout ancestor long ago eventually morphed into rainbow trout, and brook trout and brown trout. Those are all fish and all in the same of the in the same “kind.” However we have no examples in the fossil record or in any living species where a fish became a bird or a cat gave birth to offsprings with mutations that eventually became a dog. With the theory of human evolution that’s exactly what you have. Apes becoming human. It’s not possible anyway. Leave science out of it. Go to the zoo. Look at a chimpanzee. Do you really seriously think that at one time in history chimps went one way and the ancestors of humans went another on the tree of evolution? A chimp has no sense of right and wrong. It will even masturbate right in front of you as many apes at zoos do. I simply cannot believe we have common ancestors with chimps. They can’t even read and write and we have put men on the moon. Sorry but we’re not related.

[cryscrys1]

If you beleive that congratulations. You have accepted the fact that we are nothing , we don’t matter , we are just some bugs animals on earth who evolved from monkeys to whatever, we probably don’t even deserve to live because we are this low just some evolving species?”
Just because Charles Darwin SPECULATED it it doesn’t mean it’s true. Not even he speculated it but he also pointed out our similarities with birds fishes etc. So poor guy didn’t mean much when he compared us with 🐵Also this is outdated many countries and scientists have removed this from biology books that we evolved from chimpanzees. Thankfully many scientists don’t believe this crap.

[supercutebutt]

LOL! Doofus alert!

[AD240pCharlie]

The fact that you think we base our current understanding and knowledge of evolution on what Darwin said and wrote speaks volumes, because that's not how science works. Darwin opened the door for it (and even then, he wasn't even the first one to put forward the idea) but he was also wrong about a LOT of things. Thanks to scientific advancements and more research, we now know better.
Evolution is one of the most higly backed-up and consistently proven concepts within biology, or really any scientific field for that matter. Not accepting it as fact at this point is pretty much equivalent to geocentrism.

[cryscrys1]

@AD240pCharlie What do you mean? Darwin is the father of evolution everything we know is according to what he discovered. He came up with the concept of evolution…!!! together with Wallace. You are free to speak your mind but I’m talking what I have learned. As a scientist. Do you want us to come from evolution? A chimpanzee? Well then be it you are free to believe that. But know that this is never proved it’s just theories. Science is full of theories. Nothing is discovered when it comes to our existence.

[JamesRandiDebates]

No one in the scientific community thinks we "evolved from chimpanzees."

[Exterminatore]

@cryscrys1

You make some excellent points. Perhaps it’s not guns that are the problem with mass shootings in America but rather telling people that humans and chimps share common evolutionary ancestors. After all, if we’re just a bunch of highly evolved apes, and evolution soundly destroys creationism and eliminates a higher being who created all this, why not shoot up school? We’re just apes, just a bunch of dumb animals with no one to answer to at the end of this life.

Maybe telling people they were not created in God’s image and instead evolved from ape like ancestors due to random events isn’t such a good idea. Why not shoot up a school or concert? After all those aren’t humans with an eternal soul you’ll be killing they’re just the most highly evolved ape. All part of survival of the fittest. The shooter was the fittest and the victims were unfit. Just the law of the jungle. Simple as that. Besides, the same people who promote evolution I’m sure also believe morality is a social construct. Not to worry about judgment at the time of death either because all this was created by random events and there is no God with a hell to put you in. So go for it. Be the fittest to survive and become a true apex predator and become a mass murder or serial killer.

[purplepoppy]

There is a colossal amount of evidence supporting it but scientists are still learning more and more about the process. The fact we don't know everything yet does not mean it is wrong and that alternative ideas must by default be right.

The logic of disbelievers is "my parent's said it's not true therefore I believe them and not scientists because scientists don't know everything but mommy does"

[MJtheCoach]

OK I health a lot of debates try to prove me that evolution exist I think I’ll smoke you the first two minutes!

[purplepoppy]

You can't even construct a sentence let alone an argument .

[MJtheCoach]

Yeah I know you’re a 23 year old professor and you don’t make mistakes when you type thanks for all the contribution you have made to the humanity Elon musk.

[Manchild2018]

The evidence I see is monkeys are still monkeys which tells you that it is BS. They would be us if it was real. It doesn't matter if it is a the thing they teach you in school. School is an indoctrination center not for education purposes.

[Manchild2018]

educational*

[MJtheCoach]

Yah that’s it! Because Satan worshipers hate God! And these used the BS evolution to make people leave God! As without God naturally Satan will have power over you.

[Manchild2018]

@MJtheCoach facts! The elite are Satanists. Luciferians to be exact and there is much evidence of this but they have so many people brainwashed that they will never see it.

[MJtheCoach]

Yah that’s why we’re fked in C0ViD! Or else if 90% of people didn’t refuse to think. C0ViD would’ve been finished in 2 months max!

[MJtheCoach]

I’m not the one promoting evolution some asking you which meaning are you referring to if you believe in evolution you should at least to know the meaning which is the base of your own belief.

[Manchild2018]

@MJtheCoach It would have been over before it even started if any of these people used critical thinking. Instead they suffocate themselves and their kids with a useless mask and want others to do the same. They took a toxic injection that is killing people and want to force that on others as well. The world is doomed.

[MJtheCoach]

That’s it! Just stick it out for the next 2/3 all the anti thinkers / Karen’s will be dead! Sadly.. people can’t go there whole lives refusing to think and live to tell about it. And the woke ones will be left over.

[Manchild2018]

@MJtheCoach The people who believe they are the smartest and have degrees are the dumbest in reality it is so sad. They question nothing. As long as they heard it in school or saw it on TV that is proof enough for them. It is very sad.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 @mjthecoach Get a room, then read a book.

[Manchild2018]

@goaded You pull the same scam every time on here because you are an admin. You pick a fight with people who triggered you with the truth so you can report them. I am not speaking to you anymore. Go look at reality and see that everything you believe is a lie.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 I'm not an admin, I'm not even (god forbid) an influencer. I can reason.

[Manchild2018]

@goaded No offense but every argument you make on here is the liberal mainstream media narrative. You pretend that the world does not exist outside of what the TV tells us. It is all fake. Whether it is the liberal narrative or the conservative narrative. Just a way to keep the left vs right paradigm going. You fall for it hook, line and sinker.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 Have you considered the outside possibilty that "the liberal mainstream media narrative" is actually the truth, most of the time?

[Manchild2018]

@goaded No because it's not. Look at reality. No one is sick in public in a year and 8 months. No more ambulances than before but this is a pandemic? The mainstream media says neo nazis are all over the place and everyone is racist. That is not true either. The media tells us we are gonna get nuked it never happened that is a hoax too. The media says asteroids are gonna hit us and kill us hey that never happened either! It is all fake whether it be CNN or Fox News or any of it. I no longer waste my time on that fake fear mongering and I see the world for what it is now which is absolutely nothing that they say it is.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 Doesn't the fact that you claimed I was an admin, when I'm clearly not, give you pause when it comes to your other beliefs?

[Manchild2018]

@goaded No because I could have sworn that you were one before. That has nothing to do with our reality that the news is lying about. The news wants you in fear 24-7. Clearly this is true. If it wasn't they would report the news not fear. The fear they pushed for covid was not telling you be careful there is a virus out there. It was basically trauma that they put us through. Now a year and 8 months later no vaccine and no mask I go everywhere with no fear and never get sick, In my area things for the time being are back to normal except in hospitals and doctor's offices where they still have masks but it is completely normal everywhere you go yet the news still says covid cases and deaths are spiking in my area. Yet I see the same workers almost every day all fine old people all of my unvaccinated friends are fine. It is BS. They have now put people in fear so bad that TV viruses are gonna control people's lives for years to come. I was a conservative for years now I am more of a truther. I don't buy into the left vs right nonsense anymore. I just want to be left alone and live my life and have my freedom. I don't care about political views.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 I've never been an admin on this or any other site. The news is, by and large, accurate, it's the "opinions" you have to watch out for.

You may not have got sick or died, but the people who died don't get the chance to say anything, do they? I assume you're American, but on the off-chance you're Australian, bear in mind that your country's total death toll is less than America's was yesterday.

[Manchild2018]

@goaded I am American but if you research the PCR test you will see it was created before "covid" even happened and it's purpose was never to diagnose a virus. The creator Kary Mullis said this in the past. Kary also said Fauci was a fraud a while back and Kary died in 2019 before all of this happened. That is very suspicious. People are getting sick and dying but they also said flu cases dropped so low last year as covid cases rose. It is not rocket science. The flu never in history dropped like that before. They counted the flu as covid. Even if you wanna believe the PCR test is not fake which it is they were not using it for those first couple months in 2020 when this supposedly got so bad so how would they be able to tell the difference between covid and the flu or covid and pneumonia? They couldn't so the case and death count is fake.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 OK, so your country had more covid deaths yesterday than Australia had over the whole pandemic so far. Correction: I just checked, the US numbers are improving, and Aussie numbers so yesterday it was just more than Australia had had until 20 September 2021 (their numbers are shooting up, thanks to Murdoch and muppets not getting vaccinated).

I'm pretty sure Mullis was making a distinction between a virus and a disease (he insisted that having HIV didn't mean you had AIDS). The PCR test detects the virus.

All you have to do to answer the question of why flu cases were few last year is to consider how people were behaving: Everyone was washing their hands and wearing masks and disinfecting surfaces to avoid a virus. Those things don't just work on the covid virus, you know!

The initial testing was insufficient, especially in America, because there were simply too many cases, too quickly (and there was a bureaucratic bottleneck for creating new ones at the beginning). The difference between covid and flu was pretty obvious; a bad flu year's worth of deaths in less than a month, and over half a million people infected. (New York alone had 20,000 deaths between mid March and mid April 2020).

What should shock and embarrass Americans is that Florida has now exceeded New York's total deaths, despite the availability of vaccines and great advances in how to treat it. Half of Florida's deaths have been since January 2021, half of New York's were before mid-May 2020.

[MJtheCoach]

Yah! Stupid scream and get angry. I just leave them or say oh yah wow! Let stupid people drowns in their own stupidity. Look at the stupid shit on Tiktok! The sad reality of dumbing down of humanity.

[Manchild2018]

@goaded If masks stop the spread then how did wearing masks make flu cases go down but covid cases went up? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Those flu cases were covid cases. Ya know a year and 8 months into a pandemic we would not even be having this conversation if this was a real pandemic. We would all be affected by it. We are not. Almost all my old high school friends are still alive since this started and the few who aren't died of other things. No virus. All my Facebook friends are still alive. All the people I have seen on GAG for 3 years are still alive. I know 1 person who they said died of covid. My cousin who needed a kidney and died of a heart attack. If you know about the New World Order it should be obvious what is happening here. They distract you with left vs right when really the liars are all working together against us. These people consider us cattle. They want us dead and if you think that is not true just google some foods they sell in American grocery stores. I had to stop eating Fruity Pebbles, Lucky Charms and other things because they contain either a cancerous dye or a cancerous chemical. The FDA approves this. The government who is supposed to protect us from this very thing so I don't trust a damn thing they say.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 Flu is less contagious (and less deadly) than covid, especially the Delta variant. Masks aren't perfect, but they help (there are three studies here that demonstrate it www.cdc.gov/.../p0924-school-masking.html ).

Of course it's a real pandemic, just because you don't know someone who died from it personally or didn't notice they'd stopped posting on social media doesn't mean people didn't die. I see that's not even true, you do know someone personally.

There were hundreds of thousands more deaths in the US in 2020 than in any of the previous five years. Six people living in the street where my daughter lives died of it. Five right-wing anti-vax broadcasters have died of it.

[Manchild2018]

@goaded See there you go with the left vs right BS again and until you realize that all TV news and news articles online are just propaganda and lies you are not gonna get what I am saying. The media is controlled by big pharma so anything they say is questionable. Be prepared to take multiple boosters for years because that was the goal from the start of this. The more you take the weaker your immune system gets the harder it will be to survive. I know 3 people who had family members die after getting the vaccine. So I know of more people dead from the shot than from "covid". The narrative does not make any sense whatsoever.

[goaded]

@Manchild2018 The only time I mentioned right wing in that particular post was when I described the dead broadcasters. They're all dead. They were all anti-vax. They were all right-wing. The first two are the most inportant features. You ignored the studies that show masks help, which were nothing to do with pharma companies.

"I know 3 people who had family members die after getting the vaccine."
Millions of people have died after reading the New York Post. When I die, I will be one of them. It won't be the reason.

"So I know of more people dead from the shot than from "covid"."
No, you don't.

[CountessSarah]

I 'believe' in evolution the same way I 'believe' in gravity.
DNA, the fossil record and an understanding of how natural selection work are all anyone intellectually honest needs to convinced that evolution is true.

[Exterminatore]

Really? Where in the fossil record is there a change in kind? You know as in kingdom, genus, filum, species etc? A change of kind is required for evolution to be true and correct.

I’ll save you the time of researching for hours on end to find an example of a change in kind in the fossil record because not one exists. It’s called “the missing link” and will remain missing forever because evolution is a myth.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore ok buddy lets see your research paper. and it better be peer reviewed...

[Exterminatore]

@Still-alive

Let’s see yours. I already gave you mine and proved yours to be false.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore you did no such thing lol

[Exterminatore]

Well I’ll just be over here…busy…. disproving this cock and Bull story. In the meantime let me know when you find that missing link so you can prove a change in kind which is REQUIRED for Darwinian evolution to be true and accurate.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore there's plenty out there you just refuse to see it

[Exterminatore]

Ok then. Name one. Just one. I’ll check back in a few days for your response which will be…. ummmm…. yeah there only theoretical changes of kind and no instances of it actually happening.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore why bother when you don’t even understand what a “scientific theory” means.

I suppose the “theory of gravity” os just as fallacious right?

[Exterminatore]

Gravity is provable and tangible and is not a theory.

Darwinian evolution is a theory. There are exactly 0 cases in the fossil record of a change in kind. There is no missing link. There are no repeatable results which according to the scientific method, a hypothesis must be repeatable.

So gravity - actually provable. Darwinian evolution - actually not provable.

Also, get better sarcasm.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore yeah you clearly exist on a different material plane then the rest of us do. your 'logic' doesn't work here.

[Exterminatore]

Yeah? You’re Jedi mind tricks don’t work here either.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore nor do yours. Anyways i thought you were leaving?

[CountessSarah]

"Kind" is a deliberately poorly defined weasel word anti-evolutions use to muddy the conversation.

And /all/ fossils are missing links. Every fossil is a missing link between its predecessor and ancestors. We have more than sufficient fossils to see a lineage, we do not require every generation of every species to have a fossil to do so. It's naive to even ask for such a thing - we know that the criteria for fossils to form is very specific and doesn't happen often enough for a perfect fossil record to exist.
What you're doing is the equivalent of looking at a 50% completed jigsaw puzzle and concluding there's no way to know what the image is of, while we can clearly see headlights, a wheel and a Lamborghini badge.

[CountessSarah]

*Sorry, predecessor and ancestor are interchangeable. Should've said ancestor and descendant.

[Exterminatore]

@CountessSarah

I don’t know if I can agree that kind is poorly defined. We can look at animal taxonomy for a clear definition of how it’s used.

All fossils are not missing links in regards to this subject. To prove Darwinian evolution there must be clear fossil records where we can see a change in kind. The point at which chimps went one way on the evolutionary tree and humans went the other. We don’t have that. It’s called the missing link. It’s not just one missing piece but several really.

Yes, we can show linage through the fossils we do have, if by linage you mean variations within a given species. I take no exception to mutations causing a variation in kind. Trout for example all have one common trout ancestor from which we get brown trout, rainbow trout, brook trout and any other kind of trout in existence. This is completely provable. In this respect we can see linage not in bone but alive In front of our very eyes. The problem is trout are all types of fish so evolutionary theory can account for variations in any given kind from the original. However since the main theory of Darwinian evolution is that a new kind or for lack of better words a new animal was created, not just an altered form. Rainbow, brown, and Brooke are all types of trout and all types of fish. What we don’t have is a fish becoming a different animal. That is what Darwinian evolution is say happened in human evolution but it is completely unprovable.

50% of the puzzle is debatable. Due to the missing link any bones or fossils claiming to be a new animal that evolved. An animal never seen before is not possible. We never see a fish becoming a cat in the fossil records. We do see fish become new fish…but they’re fish. Take Lucy for example. There is plenty of debate about all of her bones. Some will say as you that 50% of the evidence is there so it’s fair to assume it’s out there and we just need to fill in the blanks. Others are highly skeptical as to what we do have demonstrating a

[CountessSarah]

@Exterminatore
You must define 'kind' otherwise I see no reason to continue this.
I think you know 'kind' is a weasel word and have deliberately skirted around defining it because you know I'm right.

[Still-alive]

@CountessSarah i know right i never hear anyone other than science denying punks like him say words like that. no scientist i know takes it seriously.

[Exterminatore]

Change in kind.

You have made your point clear it all comes down to which scientists do you want to believe?

I knew what you meant in regards to ancestor and descendent.

So that’s where it is. You would be completely correct if with the bones we do have there was little or no debate a new animal has been created. However there is a lot of debate and speculation on the pieces we do have and there is reasonable scientific data to support the scientists who say…no change in kind. Those pieces are not a new animal because of thus and so. I doubt in our lifetime they will ever come to a consensus.

[Exterminatore]

@still alive

Stay in your own lane. We are talking to each other not you. Besides…you have a missing link to find don’t you?

[CountessSarah]

"Debate and speculation" from people who know enough about the topic to offer valid criticisms, including the use of weasel words like 'kind'.
You either give me an example of two 'kinds' that you would expect to see an evolutionary process between or we're done here. No more slippery language.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore more like you. you haven't proved anything you said so far. the onus is on you to provide proof.

[CountessSarah]

*Don't know

[Exterminatore]

Very well. I define kind and species are synonymous as far as I’m concerned. You?

[Exterminatore]

No it’s on you as you have none.

[Still-alive]

@Exterminatore ok so you can just say whatever you want without providing evidence but we can't huh? thats how you think this works?

[CountessSarah]

@Exterminatore
The fuck do you mean?
I'm not the one using the word 'kind'. Why do I have to define /your/ term?

No, fine. I'll define 'kind'.
Kind 1 is a wolf.
Kind 2 is a dog.
Dogs are descendants of wolfs and now speciated from them. Evolution is proven using the 'kinds' definition.
Done.

[BuffHeracross]

@Exterminatore in fact we have a pretty solid idea of how creatures like whales came from wolf-like quadrapeds. This is easily googlable. Other such examples of well known evolutionary lines are horses and elephants.

[whosnumber1]

@Exterminatore and the earth is also flat.

[BuffHeracross]

@Exterminatore you said you wanted examples of a change in species. We've actually observed that in nature. For example there were the two new species of American goatsbeards (or salsifies, genus Tragopogon) that sprung into existence in the past century. In the early 1900s, three species of these wildflowers - the western salsify (T. dubius), the meadow salsify (T. pratensis), and the oyster plant (T. porrifolius) - were introduced to the United States from Europe. As their populations expanded, the species interacted, often producing sterile hybrids. But by the 1950s, scientists realized that there were two new variations of goatsbeard growing. While they looked like hybrids, they weren't sterile. They were perfectly capable of reproducing with their own kind but not with any of the original three species - the classic definition of a new species.

From : blogs.scientificamerican.com/.../

[Shortman70]

I still believe there's a higher power, they say that God made the world in 7 days. What were his days like? 8-10-12hr days or were they like 20,000 of our years made one of gods days. Do you think that he made everything just bam, that's it. Or fudge make a model, then change the design a little here and there to make it something that could live here. Maybe, for example, he made monkeys, then apes and then thought I think I can make Adam... Then kept making the rest of life. Time is irrelevant, I'm pretty sure he wasn't looking at his wrist watch saying I better get busy it's almost supper. That's my opinion so take it or leave it.

[Anonymous]

Being anti evolution is something you generally only see in very fundamentalist countries, and I include the southern states in that. Bible belt.

Ask most of them what is evolution and you'll find they don't actually know - they think they know, but they're wrong. Many of them think an ape was walking along the savannah one day and either BANG changed into a human, or gave birth to a human.

It's shocking that any modern first world country can get by with an education system so utterly fucked up, that basic evolutionary science is called into question.

[anylolone]

No, science isn't about what I believe, it's about updating trust in models.
Evolution just works.

"Do you believe we are descendants from monkeys", no, because that's not how evolution works, but we do seem very like moneys and monkey like which could be extrapolated with the axiom of common descent for very good models.
Basically, in some sense we are monkeys, but also in some sense we aren't descendent from monkeys.

We can go out today and search every monkey in existence and we won't see anything which could have reproduced with our likely common ancestors.
The model would predict something between a human and a monkey, actually more like between an ape and a monkey.

It's complicated... I trust the system of axioms, is that enough?

[t-8900]

Yes but we should be careful about what we do with that knowledge. Some people like to look at our past or the animal kingdom to justify why we should go against our modern perceptions of morality. We must take care not to lose ourselves and regress like a bunch of animalistic buffoons. I've seen a lot of wicked, evil people on here and all across the web trying to justify everything from rape to genocide. People have lost their damn minds over it.

[admles]

This thread is showing a few things:

1. People don't know what a theory is: " A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing."

2. People don't know what evolution is - "if man descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" Evolution doesn't state we descended from monkeys, it says humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor - they went one way, we went another.

3. Some people in this forum are DEEPLY stupid

[loves2learn]

Oh my goodness. These comments! Yes we evolved from one-cell organisms. That is the way life works. All living creatures have some level of common DNA. It is just science. 😂

[Uglyphuck]

Yep, anyone who disagrees with evolution hasn't evolved much in the brain, aka dumbasses

[Uglyphuck]

It's so clear to see we are very similar to apes all you have to do look at a man's chest hair and skull and beard...

[Uglyphuck]

And look at the muscles of gorillas like the pectorals and arms and legs. Very similar to a human

[loves2learn]

Yup! Pretty sad people think they can argue with science.

[Uglyphuck]

hahahah

[AD240pCharlie]

Evolution is not about "believing", it's about "accepting". You either know, understand and accept the facts or you do not.
The fact that evolution happens has been so properly and factually demonstrated to the the case at this point that anyone, literally ANYONE, who managed to DISPROVE it would without a single doubt win a nobel prize.

[420Rachel]

Well yeah. It only makes sense. How can lions and tigers mate if they're different species unless they had a common ancestor?

[Still-alive]

In the jungle, the mighty jungle 🎶

[invalid1]

The lion smashes tonight 🤭🤐

[Uglyphuck]

Yep, also another rational question. you. must ask... if we got a time. machine and kept going back and seeing who's parents was who... you think eventually you'd go back far enough there's jus two humans,,, then where did they come from?
It's obvious if you keep going back we start to look more like apes.. then monkeys... Then whatever was before that... Nothing just appears from nothing.. i

[Anonymous]

I believe in adaptation within a kind such as the different breeds of dogs and cats and people. But that people evolved from primates absolutely not.

And I'd go as far to say that the theory of evolution is the root issue that keeps any form of systemic racism alive. Humans are humans.

And as for the theory of evolution being proven, that's just not true. Many of the major evolutionary discoveries have been shown to be hoaxes and or miss identified biological specimens. Not all, but many. And enough to raise legitimate doubts about evolution.

[goaded]

Dogs and cats are far more different than Humans and Orangutans.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life

[Opinion Owner]

Wikipedia is a terrible source of information.

[goaded]

It's really not.

Is saying Wikipedia isn't a valid source during an argument an admission of defeat? ↗

[AviatorTom]

Evolution is supported by science, and we still see evolution taking place on a daily basis.

Having said, that creationism is not necessarily the opposite of evolution. It's possible that a supreme being started things and then evolution took place.

To be totally honest, I'm not sure what my belief is. I can understand both creationism and evolution.

[Exterminatore]

If the Big Bang Theory (BBT) is true it would require a supreme being to start it all. The BBT hypothesizes that one densely packed atom exploded into to literally everything. Where did the atom come from then? Since you can’t have something created from nothing, you require a being outside out of our space and time continuum to create the atom that exploded into everything. Violates the laws of thermodynamics to have something created from nothing matter can only change forms but never be created or destroyed. Every molecule that exists was on this planet day 1. Every molecule is still here. Many have changed forms but none were destroyed.

[king-dom1]

Yes, evolution is a real thing, modern technology plays a big role into it, our body's are becoming much stronger when it comes to diseases and such so we are able to resist more than we did 100 years ago.
We are adapting to new environments every year, we become stronger we tend to reproduce (have kids) and they are born with our new genetics

[invalid1]

I don't believe in evolution, I observe what it has to say, then I know it makes sense.
jjjjjust GET THIS STRAIGHT. Science is waaaaay far from belief! You don't believe in science theories, they're facts whether you like it or not! (Believe) means to think it's true with absence of evidence. and evolution theory has an evidence... Just like atom theory, relativity theory. and Quantum theory which is the reason why me and you are able to connect technologically.

[Flower7]

No, I don't. The concept doesn't make sense to me. Maybe little things like losing a body part that's no longer needed, but not anything major like one creature becoming a totally different creature.

[420Rachel]

How do you explain feathered dinosaurs evolving into birds? Or how there are different, but closely related, species of animals that can produce viable offspring? Examples: a male lion and a female tiger produce a liger, a male donkey and a female horse produce a mule. These are among many closely related species of animal that can produce offspring.

[Flower7]

@420Rachel I don’t know much about dinosaurs, but two different species mating together is not evolution.

[888theGreat]

Limited yes. a fish with eyes gets caught in a cave. Over time it's offspring will be created without eyes because they are not needed.

Man? No, I never came from an ape. I will say most men act like they came from apes though. Also, missing link was never found which makes evolution a theory like global warming. Liberals will say those things are fact but never have actual proof , only hear say.

[Kaneki05]

It exists. No need for a belief in it. It exists. That would be like saying i believe the sun exists. And if you don't think it exists then you should stare right at it.

[Exterminatore]

I’m not going to bother having this conversation with you lol.

[Kaneki05]

Good you shouldn't. Cannot argue with what exists, go stare at some spiders and how all the different types have adapted due to evolution then go tell a scientist no that's how it works and that's not possible and there is no way you could prove that and watch them laugh at u.

[Still-alive]

aww he's giving up already. shame

[Exterminatore]

Read my answer on here since you care to discuss and make sure you bring proof. You can’t because evolution is a myth.

I will tell a scientist how it works. I’ll ask them for the missing link. When they cannot produce it then I will inform them the missing link proves a change in kind and proves Darwinian evolution. Without it you have a theory and that’s all it is…yet it’s taught as absolute fact.

I believe all spiders have the same common ancestor also fish, dogs, cats and every animal. What I do not believe is in a change of kind. Never did a horse evolve into a donkey/alligator combo type of animal. Read what I stated regarding trout.

[Kaneki05]

That actually proves evolution 100% but i'll let you figure that one out on your own.

[Kaneki05]

Since you will probably need more help, it's in the part of common ancestors which is direct proof and that missing link is just a result of not having the full picture not the lack of that it don't exist.

[Kaneki05]

In a comparison it would be like saying, Matter don't exist because we don't have a full picture of what dark matter does.

[Exterminatore]

You know, for someone who is so smug and arrogant I’d think you’d do your homework first.

There are no changes in kind. Do you even know what I mean by the word kind? The missing link is the bones or fossils which would prove man and chimps share a common ancestor and chimps were one branch of the tree that evolved into what they are currently and humans went another route and evolved into what they are. The missing link proves a change in kind and it is required for Darwinian evolution to be true. I don’t give a rats ass about the day dreams of evolutionary scientists. They can come up with all the bones and fossils and complicated theories they like, no missing link, no proof. Simple as that.

[Kaneki05]

But yet you just mentioned dark matter does exist and that matters does by them two statements alone. Just your not aware of the bigger picture or the answer behind one thing included in it all.

[Exterminatore]

I never mentioned dark matter once.

[Kaneki05]

@Exterminatore When did i say you did? Can you even read

[Kaneki05]

In your brain, well we have all this proof for something but because we don't understand this one part = don't exist. That's not how it works lmao. If we went by that jeez a lot of science just wouldn't be discussed, Matter don't exist, dark matter don't exist etc.

[Exterminatore]

Man are you arrogant. I’ll quote you. “But yet you just mentioned dark matter doesn’t exist” Thats where you said it. Directly above my comment. Can you read?

[Kaneki05]

@Exterminatore Think again "In a comparison it would be like saying, Matter don't exist because we don't have a full picture of what dark matter does."

[Kaneki05]

Tries to make a comparison, idiot responds with i never said this. Well duh it was a comparison i was making for you cause you clearly don't understand how things work.

[Kaneki05]

Point stands, You cannot just say something don't exist because we don't understand it not how it fully works. Not a single person of any logic would agree with you.

[Exterminatore]

No it would not be like saying that. Not even close. It would be like saying: “Darwinian evolution is true, great! Then show me the missing link.”

YOU SAID I MENTIONED DARK MATTER, meaning I brought it up. I didn’t. You did. For me to mention it I would have to have used the words DARK MATTER.

The comparison your making is is not even close. I’m saying there is no proof. We’re not discussing what things “might” look like or “might” be we are discussing things that actually are. A better comparison would be to say we don’t know what evolution looks like because we have to imagine the bones that “might” be there if we had them…. but we don’t…. so?

Since you don’t know the definition of simple English words, here:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mention

[Exterminatore]

I can say that something doesn’t exist because it literally doesn’t exist. Like unicorns, and trolls, and evolution and missing links and change of kind and it being repeatable which is one of the criteria of the scientific method.

[Kaneki05]

I think you should read everything i said. I literally brought up as a dark matter as a comparison but your acting like i was telling you, you mentioned dark matter which i never did.

[Kaneki05]

This was a comparison point not what you literally said "In a comparison it would be like saying, Matter don't exist because we don't have a full picture of what dark matter does. But yet you just mentioned dark matter does exist and that matters does by them two statements alone. Just your not aware of the bigger picture or the answer behind one thing included in it all."

[Kaneki05]

Again that's now science works. But anyway go read Hawkings works go watch some Neil de grass tyson stuff. Go educate yourself. You clearly know nothing about science it's funny af.

[Exterminatore]

We’re going to have to agree to disagree again. And I said it because I wanted to…. just like the guys who wear lotion 😉

[Kaneki05]

This not an agree to disagree this is just you straight up ignoring a thing that does exist based on that we don't know the whole picture which means you ignore pretty much nearly all science.
And hardly think anything exists. We don't even have the full picture of how this universe exists so does that mean this universe just don't exist?

Your logic is super flawed.

[Kaneki05]

We cannot recreate the universe so it... must just be a myth wow great logic there my guy.

[Exterminatore]

Yeah but I can’t continue this conversation and will happily accept your right to have your opinion even if it’s wrong. You’re making analogies that make no sense then trying to act like I’m stupid because you make no sense. Your saying I initiated the use of terms……like dark matter for example…when you first used the word.

I really have no intent on being contentious. We simply cannot agree on this issue and never will. So why keep going back and forth? I’m not budging an inch. Neither are you.

You just made my point for me. If a man who got his kicks torturing and killing animals in his youth (Darwin) can come up with a poorly thought out conclusion on the origin of mankind which is taught as fact when it’s not proven and never will he we have a problem don’t we?

You can’t sit there and be all: “and here is a picture of Lucy’s bones…. for the ones that are missing that prove the theory we just made up…just…. sort of…pretend they are there. You can imagine what the complete skeleton would look like…if only we had it all…and we don’t…but anyway we’re just gonna teach this stuff in schools now…even though there is ample evidence it’s a fraud.

Your logic is flawed. I’m working in the realm of fact, you’re working in the realm of theoretics.

Like with your universe theory. We can actually see the universe. It’s tangible. We cannot actually see the missing link, a change of kind, and repeatable results. So yeah…that theory doesn’t exist because it’s NOT POSSIBLE. There are no examples of change of kind in nature because it’s not true. It literally doesn’t exist. It’s a lie….. my girl.

You’d make an awful attorney.

[Kaneki05]

@Exterminatore literally agreed that i said this first and it was comparison "Your saying I initiated the use of terms……like dark matter for example…when you first used the word." but somehow you cannot even see that. Which is how dumb you really are.

[Kaneki05]

I 100% said dark matter first. What do you not understand about that?

[Kaneki05]

Anyway go watch some Neil degrass tyson, some dawkings, read some hawkings works and understand science. Your knowledge on it is clearly flawed and limited.

[Exterminatore]

Yes you did. But you said: “But yet you just mentioned dark matter. That sentence implies I mentioned it. I did not, you did. What I don’t understand is why you mentioned first and I replied “I never mentioned dark matter” to which you replied “when did I say you did? Can you even read.”

Are you still not getting my point?

Anyway it doesn’t matter the dark matter thing is a minor point. The real point is neither of us are going to give in, so are we just going to sit here all night and go: “you’re stupid” “no you’re stupid.” That’s pointless and neither of us will be any better for it.

I am familiar with most of Dawkins material. And Hawkings. Tyson I have not heard. I assume he won’t tell me anything I haven’t heard yet from those two.

Dawkins has also debated several theologians, and although I don’t agree with him I must give him credit. He is an entertaining debater who at times makes good points.

[Kaneki05]

@Exterminatore Again this was a full point i really don't understand how you don't see this "In a comparison it would be like saying, Matter don't exist because we don't have a full picture of what dark matter does. But yet you just mentioned dark matter does exist and that matters does by them two statements alone. Just your not aware of the bigger picture or the answer behind one thing included in it all."

Let me show you another one "in a way that would be like saying i don't believe in chickens but i do like chicken meat but yet you just mentioned chicken meat which obviously means chickens exist" This is not me literally saying you just mentioned chickens. This was related to the "Would be like saying" obviously.

[Still-alive]

im starting to get hy he can't understand how evolution isn't real now if he can't understand basic logic lol

[Kaneki05]

Anyway go ask a scientist and when they laugh at you don't be shocked. Because 100% evolution exists whether we know all the answers or not. Same with other things in science but if i make a comparison to them, you don't get it or just say there dumb even tho there exactly on point so Good day.