You know, this reminds me of an old George Carlin skit.
"This is a country that gives you a list of stolen credit cards, but not a list of criminals and maniacs. And now they're thinking about banning toy guns, AND THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE FUCKING REAL ONES!!"
As for my opinion, take it or leave it, I don't see what all the fuss is with toy guns. Shit, my old man taught me how to use a REAL gun when I was 7. My father wasn't exactly stable either; he had PTSD and mild Schizophrenia. I can see where the worry about both me and my dad shooting real guns would be, but as for some cheap plastic toy... never.
As for getting hurt with toy guns, hell, we scraped our knees learning how to ride bikes when we were kids. Sometimes we broke a few bones playing sports. But I gotta tell you, someone who can't tell a toy gun from the real thing, especially these days, when toys are required to have orange plastic tips... it boggles my mind. Those are also people that shouldn't have guns. And think about it - some of those people are actually POLICE OFFICERS. You know, people that we actually trust with protecting the safety of our communities. That's REALLY scary.
This is a one in a million accident. It had nothing to do with the PROP GUN. It had to do with the PROPERTY MASTERS: the gun experts on set. THEY should go to jail for negligent manslaughter. Baldwin, I believe, since he is the producer of this film and has the deep pockets, will be sued for hiring them and will have to pay millions to the family. I HOPE he has already settled out of court with the family. THAT would be honorable on his part.
These were NOT people with mental illnesses, wayward teens looking for a thrill, depressed people who wanted to take out others before they killed themselves or schizophrenics. They weren't 61 year old gamblers in a hotel room in Las Vegas who decided to kill country music concertgoers for reasons no one has discovered out to this day. They weren't a white adolescent who decided to kill black church people in a basement because he hated blacks. They weren't a vigilante out to prove his manhood at a protest by "protecting" people. He had "no intention" to kill anyone. Well, if you go to a peaceful protest with a gun, what precisely IS your intention?
These men were professional gun handlers whose job is was to safely deliver unloaded guns to be used on a movie set. But THEY WERE PLAYING WITH THE GUNS WITH REAL BULLETS and forgot to empty them after their gun party. They should be put under the jail. There's no excuse for lapses that caused such injuries and a death.
They should serve jail time and NEVER be allowed in their FORMER profession again.
But this has nothing to do with the use of prop guns. It is all about the use of IMPROPER people.
But the flip side of this? Gun law restrictions. All of the people who've killed people with guns were legal gun owners or obtained the guns from families who did not lock their guns away from minors.
We cannot restrict guns from legal gun owners who've done nothing illegal because of a minority of people who've used their legally owned gunned illegally. Do we restrict car use because of the several incidents where drivers drove into crowds and killed people at protests on purpose? What about all the DUI deaths caused by drunk drivers? We have laws in place to restrict and punish these people. They cannot catch everyone. We can ban cars and alcohol and guns and other freedoms to clean up vices. But this is a country founded on freedoms. Freedoms and responsibility. Both go hand in hand.
I am of the opinion that if the actors / actresses are taught proper gun handling techniques fewer accidents like Baldwin's and previous accidents would be avoided. I am not a professional gun handler by far. However there are a few rules to follow that will greatly reduce accidents. 1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded with a round in the chamber. 2. Don't point the gun at anything or anyone you don't intend to destroy. 3. Once a bullet is fired it will never be able to be recalled. 4. Always be aware of what is in the target area.. not only in front of target, to the sides of target and behind... as well as what is around you or behind you. Ricochets are just as dangerous as a direct shot. I know that there are more but I don't want to type a book. One last one.. If you are unsure of anything that involves a firearm. Ask someone who will know. And don't touch the weapon until you understand how to operate it. Guns are not toys. I own several guns. I have been taught gun safety since I was 14. I am 43 and I know 1 thing that is for certain. It will not hurt or destroy any thing until it's in someone's hand.
I tend to be pro gun but i dont think it should be like in america where you can buy any gun like a candy from markets. I do think you should need a license but it should be very easy to get unlike in germany where it is nearly impossible to get and even when you get, you can't carry it around so far i know (?). It is very complicated in germany and other european countries. You even need a small license for a pepper spray, stun gun etc in germany and you can get these "guns" only when you are 18 (- As if people under 18 dont get attacked, raped etc.) Fortunately i dont need a license for pepper spray, stun gun, or alarm gun in austria but you still have to be 18 to get these things. I personally prefere the gun laws in czech republic.
In conclusion, you can be pro "gun" but dont have to agree with the American gun laws.
You Germans actually have quite the regs on guns. I actually like them. “Personal aptitude” would rule out half the US population right there. www.dw.com/.../a-52450664
This is foolish overreaction. This appears to have happened three or four times in the past 30 years on film sets. So, by and large, prop people are extremely careful.
Fire the idiot in charge of these guns and blacklist them. I'm sure they will be charged with negligent manslaughter and end up serving time for such carelessness!!!
But, point taken. However, controlling the use of MILLIONS of guns is nearly impossible, whereas controlling these FEW guns is eminently possible, so that's why people are trying to do it. It's another step along the way toward more broad gun control. Don't pooh pooh it.
The girl that was in charge expressed to the director that she didn't feel comfortable being responsible for the arsenal. Also it comes down to Alec Baldwin that he ignorant of basic firearm safety rules. He is ignorant of them because he is an anti-gunner but wants to make money using them in movies. Now he has killed someone, if he would had followed the firearm safety rules he wouldn't had killed anyone. If your handed a gun it is your responsibility to clear the gun yourself, doesn't matter what the other person says its safe.
@Amur8711 hate defending a hollywood asshole but he was given a “cold gun” by the film crew’s weapons guy. Apparently some live rounds got mixed up with blanks. So aside from any “insurance or producing” issues he might face, the actual act seems blameless on his part.
No, firearm safety rules are, when you are handed a gun and are told its a "cold gun" or unloaded. Its your responsibility to check it yourself. That has always been a rule. The number one rule of firearm safety is treate every firearm as if its loaded. Alec Baldwin was the last line of defense in firearm safety, because of him being anti-gun he refused to learn proper firearm safety and if he knew them then he chose to ignore it.
It isn't just his fault all in charge of the movie and the prop master is to blame, but Baldwin chose not to follow firearm safety rules.
The firearms safety people who are familiar with ALL the firearms on the set, are responsible for the gun safety on set. That is what Baldwin is paying them for. All this "every gun is treated as loaded" crap is for people who are gun owners and users, which I am. And I'm as liberal as all get-out.
Baldwin did not cause this woman's death. He relied on safety personnel, which I TOO would've done because I have no experience with handguns and certainly not 19th century style Colts. So I couldn't have "cleared" it in any case.
Being the PRODUCER of this film, however, does give him the "deep pockets," and though those idiots who were the arsenal pros were the direct cause, Baldwin will somehow be blamed because he hired shoddy craftsmen. They will likely have some jail time because of their negligence. Baldwin will likely be out MILLIONS of dollars due to this woman's death because he's the top of the food chain.
But isn't this sad? Negligent death. Because some yahoos were shooting guns off during the filming "for fun." That's the story I've heard. And THEY didn't clear the chamber after their "play."
"Prop guns" are real guns that are called props on a movie set. This is the media trying to lie, again because they like alec baldwin, he's one of them. So let's clear these misconceptions right up. Prop guns= real gun with "blanks" Blanks = ammunition using wadding instead of a standard projectile. Accidental discharge= Someone pulled the trigger. Especially in this case, being a period piece set in the 19th century, hand guns were revolvers. And specifically they were all 'single action'. For those of you who do not know what 'single action' means I will give you a brief explanation. When a trigger is needing to be pulled on a gun 2 things need to happen, a hammer or a striking pin needs to be cocked, meaning pulled back into a striking position. Then the actual pull of the trigger releases the hammer to strike the firing pin to strike ignition cap on the round, or bullet. In the 'old days' people had to manually pull the hammer back before they could fire the weapon. Having to manually 'cock' the gun is what makes the gun 'single action'. Most of today's guns are double action. Meaning you pull the trigger and it pulls the hammer and strikes the pin in with one motion. The kind of guns that were on the set of 'Rust' were single action. So Baldwin had to pull the hammer back with his thumb and then pull the trigger. He may or may not have intended to shoot anyone, but he definitely, unmistakably pulled the trigger. Guns don't fire themselves. Always, Always, Always, if you are handed a gun, you check to see if it's loaded and what it's loaded with, if it is. This is standard gun safety and you will see the most experienced people in the world do this. Even if they just watched their best friend unload and check the weapon in front of them, when they get possession of the weapon, they check it's status first. This was negligence, irresponsibility, hubris, and just plain stupidity.
Apparently, this was a relatively (!) low-budget production that's been plagued with production problems. A bunch of the crew walked out due to a number of safety issues that the producers weren't handling properly. From what I've read, this wasn't even the first accidental live round that was discharged on this set, which was one of the big reasons the crew walked off. The armorer was also pretty new at her job (her prior production being her first time in charge), plus the assistant director violated protocol by handing out prop guns, which is only supposed to be done by the armorer.
Essentially, you had a production that was sloppy with safety rules on a continuing basis. As tragic as the Baldwin incident was, it's the preponderance and on-going nature of the safety issues that are really at fault here, and in my opinion, the producers, assistant director, and the armorer should face appropriate charges. Baldwin is one of the producers, by the way.
So, it turns out that the production was allowing people to use these same guns with live ammo for target practice in between shots. That is an INSANE practice that is normally strictly prohibited for exactly this reason. And the assistant director of this movie (Rust) had been fired previously from another movie for having an ND (negligent discharge) on THAT set, so there's already a history of problems with him. The armorer is new to the job with only one previous credit, and it seems she didn't have the will to enforce safety standards.
There are a LOT of people who are going to get sued, and there's a real possibility of criminal charges.
@MrOracle Thank you, you definitely deserve best answer for this. The gun had misfired previously, there were people in key roles (Armorer, 1st AD) who flagrantly ignored critical safety protocols. 6 million production with 1 million going to Baldwin. He also ignored the safety issues and should be punished appropriately.
Yea we are, otherwise we’re going to have to do the same thing with cars as we do with guns think 37,595 Traffic death 39,707 gun deaths Both from 2019 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm 2,112 more death by guns in 2019
so logically because there are only 2,112 more death from guns then there are cars (this includes suicide homicide and self-defense). But that 37,595 you can’t look at different factor like self defense or suicide or homicide you can only count traffic deaths as homicide there is no other factors to consider. Maybe we need to go back to the horse and buggy as well as bow and arrow. Or we can live with this amount of risk and continue to have our guns and cars otherwise we should have guns or cars
I'm fairly certain that the numbers you've presented are actually conservative estimates, and the real figures are much higher. Let us take into account that not every incident is reported. :)
Ok ima try to answer all of you in 1 post read if you want to continue @lohrvsdataohrvsdata traffic death are always reported gun deaths are more vague given the fact that the CDC doesn’t list the reason for the gun death
@beefy40 yea most of it is suicide car accidents usually tend to be from distractions like texting on your phone or people being too drunk or being impatient and trying to pass somebody and getting into a head on collision
@OddBeMe that would be an interesting thing to look at Europe has a lot less traffic death because it’s common practice to wear a seat belt there a planet money podcast produces by NPR that talks about the difference between European and American traffic laws people in America are far less likely to wear a seat belt so more Americans die in car accidents then Europeans Americans are also a lot more aggressive drivers so that factors in. As far as suicide rates goes Europe has a higher suicide rate when it comes to pills and other means of suicide than Americans Americans like to get it over quickly and just shoot themselves in the head which is where most of gun deaths come from
People need to stop treating regulations and laws as cure all's and accept harsh realities. Meth for example is one of the most heavily regulated substances in the US and across the world. Every country has stacked laws against the creation, distribution and use if it. Yet in every country it is cooked, sold and used at any given minute of any given day. Much like meth and other drugs regulations and laws are not going to stop firearms from being an issue. Because regulations and laws only stop people who are willing to fallow them and not everyone is.
The world is never going to be all sunshine and rainbows. Accept this and do your best to try to ensure you are not affected by it. Because that is the only thing anyone can do.
The screwed up thing is that if someone has a overwhelming urge to do something or get something their is a chance that they will find a way to satisfy that urge. Even if doing so can lead them to some kind of punishment. Also a a overwhelming urge isn't something that should be stripped away no matter what it causes a individual to do. Because if it was not for overwhelming urges and the need to satisfy them early humans would have probably died off. Also many thing would have never been created.
@OddBeMe Exactly NONE of those other countries have anything close to the same set of circumstances as the US. They have neither the overall population, nothing close to the amount of immigration (legal and otherwise), or the competing ethnicities, cultures, and socio-economic classes that the US does - nor do they have the drug and gang problems of the US. That's why such comparisons are pointless.
China is a virtual monoculture and the people have very few rights. Again, not even remotely comparable. People in China are executed for "thought crimes", and the government has a complete monopoly on guns.
Of course you can compare rates, but, again, Australia's situation isn't remotely similar to the US's. Australia has very little immigration, and what there is mostly comes from crown countries who share a very similar culture already. There's not a drug war. There's not abandoned industrial cities full of blight. There's not a history of slavery, and 100 years of "Jim Crow" laws. There's simply no other country that faces the challenges that the US faces.
And, still, the VAST majority of gun violence is gang-on-gang violence. That doesn't make the deaths less tragic, and certainly innocent people sometimes get caught in that too, which is awful, but if you avoid about 10 known gang hotspots - and we aren't talking about entire cities, but specific districts within them - then the US is an extremely safe place to be. An average person is far more likely to face violence in the UK than in the US, for example. It might not involve a gun, but being stabbed with a knife or having your skull cracked open with a baseball bat (the two most popular weapons in the UK) isn't likely to matter a lot to you.
You also have to understand how stats are collected. In the US, a crime that is reported and verified via investigation is counted as a crime, even without an arrest or suspect.. In the UK, a crime is only counted if there is a court conviction for a specific suspect. If a criminal in the UK kills 10 people over the years, and rapes 10 women, but the police have no idea who it is, then those 20 capital crimes aren't considered to have taken place with regards to how the UK reports crimes.
If US standards for crime were used worldwide, you'd have VERY different statistics. The US might still lead on gun crime, but you'd see a very different picture in overall violent crime.
@MrOracle yeah…former British colony, large open plains with farming and cattle ranches, indigenous population massacred throughout history. Wait which one am I referring…
Slapping new regulations on the movie industry isn’t really the answer. The industry voluntarily adopted stringent safety protocols on prop guns (which are actual firearms by the way) after the Brandon Lee incident but when a production crew is careless and doesn’t follow them, there’s nothing you can do. Regulations don’t make careless people suddenly change course. No law can protect you. You just have to accept that the cost of having freedom to own and use firearms is that there will be tragic accidents and people who use them with malice. It’s a trade off America has always made. You can’t regulate your way to safety.
Everyone will be on the hook for negligence and wrongful death. The production company for not hiring competent people. The props manager and armorer for not making sure the weapons were safe, which is their job. The producer who falsely told Baldwin the weapon was safe, and probably Baldwin himself for not double checking it. In today’s world where they could CGI the muzzle flash on a prop gun, it makes you wonder why they’re still making films this way.
As with anything about guns you have to follow safety protocols. Assume every gun is loaded and check. These idiots didn't follow the rules. I actually didn't think a "prop" gun could fire anything but blanks. But even a blank can kill as rising movie star John Hexum found out when he put a 44 magnum to his head and fired it. The wad blanks have was powerful enough to kill him. As far as rules go. Follow the ones already in place and don't be a dumb ass and you should be fine.
We have too many gun laws... a bunch of do gooders think that if you create a law it fixes a problem. The reality is that culture changes like parents being too lazy to teach their kids how to respect others (and society making it hard for parents to punish their own kids) gives you a world where there's lots of entitled a-holes who think it's okay to shoot random people at school/work. They don't value any life because they were raised to think that the world revolves around them.
As to props... in Alec Baldwin's case... there were a lot of deviations from normal movie industry procedures & they hired an inexperienced person with a history of breaking the rules to be in charge of weapons. Dumb.
Given the film crew had had two accidental discharges a week before already this was sheer negligence. More regulation won’t help, more enforcement of existing regulation on film crews and more protection for whistleblowers would as well.
As for gun control for the general population it depends on the type of gun control. Bans tend to be ineffective at reducing gun crime but increasing education or training, especially offering it for free, does tend to help. Going after the reason why people resort to using guns like income inequality or lack of mental health resources is another good way to reduce it.
Gun owners know this: treat evey gun as if it is loaded at all times. Always keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction, consistently check and recheck chamber. Never put your finger inside the trigger guard unless intending to use. Do not brandish your weapons. Always keep weapon holstered unless lethal force or reasonable suspicion of lethal force presents itself. All shots fired are treated as lethal force no matter what. Warning shots are highly dangerous to bystanders and also illegal. Always know your back stop at all times! The objective is to stop a threat, not kill. Once threat is neutralized make sure to survail the area for any more threats, reholster firearm, immediately dial for police and ambulance. If you don't know these basic rules you have no business having a firearm. And since most Hollywood elites are actually morons on this subject they don't need a gun.
Well... for starters, these were actors... on the job. All jobs have safety regulations.
You are mainly talking about crime. Ok, you brought it up. What is your idea to stop thousands and thousands of criminals from getting guns and shooting people?
The gang on gang stuff... do you even care of the gang member off each other? It is only when their stray bullets hit innocent people that I care.
Whatcha got? Awe us with your brilliant idea? You've got some woman getting raped on a Philly train with people watching and doing nothing. I'm all for people whipping out guns and blowing him away. What do you have to stop the crime?
Thousands upon thousands of criminals... almost all are getting a gun... or guns and they shoot people all the time. What do you have to stop that... or slow it down?
Well I dont mind if some takes out a gun and shoots some violent criminal about to do violent crimes but if you miss and kill a bystander then you should be prosecuted for at least manslaughter
That’s unrealistic. More people in your country kill with items other than guns. Better look up the crime statistics rather than relying on fabrication to support feelings on that one. I’m from the UK Where we can’t own guns and only criminals get them.
Caution, unpopular, triggering opinion: i sometimes think that we don't need a nanny state that regulates all those things. I think that active interferes with natural selection mechanisms could be bad for humanity as a whole. Like if you're dumb enough to have your kid play with a dangerous weapon, then as harsh as that sounds: maybe it's better that the natural discouragement of stupid behavior (by killing those that practice it) is a natural and a desirable thing. Maybe were not helping humanity along by making rules only to keep fools alive that wouldn't otherwise make it...
My real concern with prop guns is children being shot for playing with them. My kids play with nerf guns. My kids pick up sticks and pretend they are guns. This is common kid behavior. . I do think ensuring REAL guns stay out of the hands of the unstable should be paramount.
You do realize that the only reason a "prop gun" killed someone was because of several failures by a minimum of two, likely three or more people to follow existing standards and regulations, right? In what fantasy world do you or anyone else think that just making more regulations for lazy self-righteous twats to ignore is going to make things "safer?"
I feel that if it is a prop gun then there should be zero chance of being harmed or killed by it.
1 death via a prop gun is worse that 30,000 deaths by real guns; only in the sense that a prop gun should not be able to harm or injure someone, so maybe tighter regulations are needed.
It's also easier to manage and address this rather than those with real guns who do not understand how to use them safely or feel they have a right to use them unsafe.
I haven't read too much about it all; however I cannot see why real bullets were required to be near the set at any time?
You touched upon some key arguments here. Most people don't understand that the 2nd amendment right to bear arms is no more absolute than the first amendment right to free speech. With rights comes the responsibility to exercise them in a manner that takes the rights of others into consideration.
'More than 30,000 car death per year. Is your 'freedom' to murder others worth this?'
Unironically, if prop guns really do have more stringent regulation than actual guns, we both agree that it's bullshit, we ain't gonna agree on the solution though. This is your daily reminder that the government is not your friend.
Just because some people vote for someone, don't mean that that someone should be able to make laws that restrict our rights. And that's assuming that 'we' are really the one's who choose. Personally, I don't know what's worse, an organized cabal of criminals who call themselves Democrats or Republicans that are possibly rigging the election every time, making it only look like 'we' have a choice, or a scenario in which we genuinely can vote for whomever we please, and yet most of us still vote for either of these worthless shitstains because we're too stupid and tribal to see that they're fucking over the country.
I don't care what hollywood does as to laws on take guns those idiots are so far beyond the pale they're not worth saving. 99% of the business in Hollywood is a net negative for the rest of the world socially and fiscally.
You're not passing any gun laws because a baldwin is a retard. If we passed a law every time a baldwin did some stupid shit we'd have ran out of legal paper a decade ago.
Regulations WORK thats why we have speed limits, why we don't let children fly planes, why we're not allowed to give heart surgery ago after watching a youtube video. Regulations don't save everyone but they save enough to make them worthwhile.
I grew up in poverty i seen death guns aren't the issue people are and being a complete SJW trying to ban it is stupid. The 2nd amendment will forever stand. You should always have leverage over criminals to protect your family, The fact you even think that if the IS were to regulate guns that would impact criminals as well is beyond me.
Lol what world do you live in guy? If you live in the US were not even able to limit Drugs or illegals coming in and out of the country. We are below tons of 3rd world countries which is why its been so easy to bring drugs and weapons through so if the US limited weapons towards its citizens then its just mass arming tons of criminals to the T lol. Europe is not surrounded by destabilized countries where most of the cartels control everything which means the people should always be armed. You would be saying different if someone raided your household & you could not do anything to save your wife or daughters from criminals with guns, while you sat there pretending it would never happen because the CRIMINALS can't afford as if criminal enterprises, gangs and mobs etc aren't rich. You need to catch up on crime bro.
@Fuentes I’m not hearing any arguments against this economic principle. You limit something, blackmarket prices will rise. Guns are so numerous here cartels are stocking up in America and smuggling them back to Mexico.
Lol you know their are gangs with back home connections that the gangs here take orders from? That can throw all their corrupt money to keep there people armed here. You are confused. I don't need to go to the black market i can just hit up paisa' and he will get me someone to sale a weapon straight out of mexico the same way they do with drugs and mexican coca cola & mexican cigarettes. You act like crime is complicated its really not, when you have a border issue.
Yes, a CDC study in 2018 says between 500,000 and 3 million people were saved through the defensive use of firearms. For all the liberal minded folk who know nothing about guns but believe everything the CDC tells them this ought to make a lot of people shut up.
www (dot) cdc. gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact. html 60,000 to 2.5 million is what it says. So generally saying half a mill and rounding up to 3 is fair.
Why would we argue about guns when: 1: regardless of any gun control, no rules apply to hollywood. 2: There's basic gun safety, if he didn't knew it then it was his responsibility to know it. 3: This happened by the hands of a guy who's in favor of gun regulation, which shows that criminals are hypocrites and won't respect even the rules they believe in.
You know what also works? Not disobeying every single gun safety rule known to man because you're a bigshot Hollywood guy and then projecting your inability to follow basic safety rules to everyone else who is responsible.
There are a lot of things that can kill people on a movie set that doesn't involve a prop gun. It's called having a qualified and non-negligent crew. It's coming out that maybe the armorer on the set wasn't qualified considering her previous interviews.
Guns are heavily restricted as it is. the thing why deaths by gun violence are so high and will remain high is partialy die to lack of education and lack of knowledge. Though mainly the cause of death by gun violence are done by criminals who will use guns to kill no matter how high the restrictions you put on them because criminals don't care about the laws. So it's pointless to put heavier restrictions on already hard to get weapons.
@OddBeMe not at all. The less guns there are then all the criminals that know how to get them will have them a d the average person will be unarmed unable to defend them selves. Please don't say that's what we have the police for because we all know that they are really no help in the actual moment you have to defend your life. More responsible and educated gun owners need to be armed.
Yeah that episode actually proved my point. But the blackmarket prices would skyrocket if we had more gun bans. Means less criminals would have them. You know…like the rest of the civilized world.
There are real guns and fake guns. A fake gun may be a solid block of metal or plastic or otherwise demilled. A real gun can be loaded to shoot a round including a blank. Calling real guns that shoot blanks "prop gun" is nonsense. He used a real gun to shoot a round at someone and killed them. This has nothing to do with fake guns one would use as a static prop.
So how is it any different than if my friend bubba says his guns unloaded and i aim it at john and pull the trigger and it was loaded and kills him? Thats a criminal charge.
we should be arguing about how wrong it is for a rabid anti-gun nut job to be profiting off of guns. And also, does the level of negligence committed by Alec Baldwin reach a level high enough to where he's actually responsible for the death? Seems like it should.
Til this moment I still don't understand why fake guns can't be used as prop. With even the slightest risk present, real guns shouldn't have been used.
Geez.. that's a narrow view of gun deaths... how many were suicide, how many home invasion, how many were police (righteously vs biased) involved. And who wouldn't want to know that when you are acting you know that the risk of death is reduced?
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What kind of moronic asshole uses an incident like this to argue for general gun control?
THERE IS ZERO REASON WHY A GUN CAPABLE OF FIRING A LETHAL ROUND SHOULD BE USED AS A PROP ON A MOVIE SET. That is the ONLY issue we should be discussing here.
I've never heard of a country so fucking backwards when it comes to firearms. Like 50 shootings a month killing dozens. Can't believe a country like that has to be said that no one in it is fucking old or mature enough to use guns.
The Irony is Alec Baldwin is a huge and out spoken Anti-gunner. Alec Baldwin choose to be ignorant of the basic firearm safety rules. This is an accident but was 100% avoidable if he would had taken the time to learn the basic firearm safety rules.
Don't call it a prop gun when its able to take live ammunition.
"We're not animals" then says "fists and not weapons"
Oh the irony
Along as there are evil in the world that will us tools to hurt another the ones that have no wish to hurt anyone but live there live will only have a fair chance if they too have the option to have the best tool to defend themselves as they see fit.
Most people that use guns are cowards. The bottom line is I'm not condoning any sort of violence but I think fair is fair. Fist should be the only weapons we should use against each other and for the most part people civilised people don't resort to such drastic measures. So no irony there at all. It's just a basic, we all attempt to protect ourselves when we face danger. Our fists are sufficient..
Face facts - if nothing changed after Sandy Hook, then Americans signalled they are okay with mass shootings killing children, and nothing will ever change. This is now a settled argument. Move on.
Don’t need more regulations. Just a lot more gun safety being observed. Especially when real guns are involved. I would have a hard time pointing a gun with blanks in it at someone.
If it's an issue it should be discussed. Doesn't mean it's discussed more. People have been shot over prop guns. That's why they have orange tips. If it saves lives then it's worth the discussion
Great point here. Honestly more people kill with cars than guns in almost every country. Anyone who disagrees should check the statistics. Guns are pretty low down there in comparison. And stupid people are generally the cause for all deaths regardless of the tool used to kill
Do some math and realize that 30,000 is infinitesimally small compared to a population of 330,000,000. Also if you are honest subtract the suicides by gun from the deaths
Hollywood is filled with morons with chronic Ego Trips. No amount of regulation outside what we have would have stopped anything. Baldwin is a smug fucker and thinks he's above the rules.
Handling prop guns is a Specialty within the Firearms disciplines. These professionals are not cheap to employ. As you can painfully see, mistakes can't happen.
Not to worry we’re paying people not to be criminals now so that should clear up any gun violence issues in a jiffy. Now that we’re paying them, illegal guns on the steers will be a thing of the past.
as a back ground actor, I feel horrible that happened to the shooting. I don't know how that happened? I think they should look into the props more carefully
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Americans can own guns to protect them from the government but they can't own nukes.
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