So over the last 6 weeks, I have been to 13 funerals of relatives who believe the BIG LIE that the head of the Trumptards says that the vaccines are dangerous. Not getting the vaccine is the main reason that I have been to so many funerals over the last year. To date I have been to at least 1 and as many as 5 a week of family members and friends who listened to #45 and his loyal Trumptards. 2021 will be remembered for the funeral year for me, because as of this date of October 26, 2021 I have been to over 125 funerals this year. Guess that I am just grateful that I am fully vaccinated.
I don't know if this even constitutes as a question. Just putting it out there.
Why can't people see that the Covid-19 vaccine saves lives?
First off Trump is part of the reason we got these vaccines so fast. So if he was against it, why would he do everything in his power to get vaccines to us so quickly?
And why would he endorse people getting vaccinated?
Why would he say that it's dangerous when Kamala and Biden said they wouldn't take the vaccines if Trump is involved? They started the hesitancy, not Trump. Trump only said it should be Americans choice to get vaccinated.
Now if Trump supporters follow Trump like a cult then why would they deny the vaccine that he's so proud of helping to get it out so fast?
If you don't ask these questions then you aren't developing opinions based with logic. You are just repeating radical left wing propaganda.
As a Trump supporter myself I do believe these vaccines help save lives. Just like natural immunity helps save a persons life. Therefore I'm against forcing anyone to get vaccinated for whatever reason they have. But I advocate that people do get vaccinated if their doctor determines it's safe for them.
"And why would he endorse people getting vaccinated?" Because, amazingly, it's the right thing to do. But do you know what happens when he suggests it at a rally? He gets booed. Then he pivots right back to "freedom" and attacking the Democrats as evil.
That's the sort of thing that happens when you spend half a decade training your supporters to believe lies (and set a bad example by almost never wearing a mask and getting vaccinated in private).
Likes like "Kamala and Biden said they wouldn't take the vaccines if Trump is involved". They said they would take it the minute it was declared safe by relevant professionals, not Trump or his Dr. Atlas, who has no experience in epidemiology..
Incidentally, "natural immunity" simply means someone survived it, and while it's good, that plus a single vaccine shot has been shown to be better.
@goaded the funniest thing is, Blacks and Hispanics are the largest unvaccinated group in America. Not "Trump supporters" . The left are experts at bending the truth . Lol
@f_ckjoebiden Lmao. No you don’t. What you do it take the most extreme position and apply it to all the disagree with you as if they have stated it themselves. You don’t KNOW how every person you encounter thinks my friend, no matter how divine you may consider yourself. I guess that answers my question though. None of it actually met the requirement of “elitist holier than thou art sitting up on top of your high horse.” You just imagined it.
@f_ckjoebiden Which part of the statement, specifically, do you feel the poster was telling people what to do? All I see is a rebuttal. Does calling other people names make your point stronger, you think? Or is it your way of just making yourself feel better. If calling me names increases your self esteem…I don’t mind what you call me. As long as it makes you feel good about yourself.
@razor8 "the funniest thing is, Blacks and Hispanics are the largest unvaccinated group in America. Not "Trump supporters" . The left are experts at bending the truth. Lol "
Really? Do you have a source for that? Bear in mind that those groups are a smaller proportion of the population than Republican voters, most of whom are Trump supporters. In this case, absolute numbers count. The Amish probably don't get the vaccine at all, but they're not a massive threat to the health of the nation.
@goaded You mean like how Biden has been caught not wearing his mask. How about Obama's birthday party indoors with no one wearing mask.
Personally I don't need my president to wear a mask and be a good example. I'm an adult that's capable of making decisions about wearing mask. I don't look at Trump and think, "he's not wearing a mask so now I'm not going too either."
The man was getting tested all the time to wear he didn't need to wear a mask as much.
And yes Kamala and Biden said they'd take the vaccines if the scientist said it was OK. But they still caused hesitancy when they said they wouldn't take it if Trumps involved. And everyone knows Trump was part of the reason we got it so fast.
The left put out lots of lies about Trump making people hate him and think he's some racist white supremacist. And people's believed it despite all the good things he did for minorities. Despite all the times he denounced the KKK or neo-nazis.
The worst he did was put out some mean or non-political correct tweets. And to be honest, some democrats are evil. But there's some evil Republicans too. Look at what Biden has already messed up. It's hard not to think he's so focused on reversing all Trump did, even if it was good, that he's willing to let our country suffer for it.
There's a reason why his approval rating is horrible right now. Trumps approval rating was low because people believed democrats lies. I can admit it was because people didn't like his tweets either. But Biden's is low because of the really bad decisions he has made that's hurt us and other countries.
You mean like Trump was eventually caught wearing one? He knew what was good for him, which is why he wore a mask and got vaccinated. He just did it quietly, while signalling to his followers the opposite.
"The man was getting tested all the time to wear he didn't need to wear a mask as much." You mean Trump (who caught it, remember!), or Biden, who was also vaccinated?
I'd be interested in hearing what good Trump things Biden's supposedly reversed.
The reason his approval rating is getting worse (at just 43% approval, it's still higher than Trump's was for 80% of his presidency) is that he hasn't got what he campaigned on passed in Congress. That's because of a few crappy Democrats and EVERY SINGLE Republican, none of whom will vote for paid parental leave or allowing the government to negotiate drug prices, etc.
Republicans will not negotiate in good faith; they proved that during Obama's term. At least Democrats recognise that and know to just ignore them. Now, if just a couple of Republicans would vote to get rid of the legalised bribery and conflicts of interest in politics, things would be better.
@goaded He took us from energy independent to energy dependent. But it's ok for us to get gas from foreign countries at a high price. He stopped finishing the border wall leaving the Texas southern boarder in crisis. It wasn't in crisis after Trump made the deal with Mexico. Thousands of illegal migrants have gotten in illegally including cartel members with drugs, sex trafficking, and abandoned children. And the only thing Biden has done is put down the border patrol that's been working so hard to protect our country by wrongly accusing them of whipping Haitians. That was a lie.
Now let's talk about how he failed us and Afghanistan. He didn't take the advice that he should leave 2,500 soldiers behind so the Taliban doesn't take over. Well Afghans and Americans he left stuck there are trying to survive a terrorist group. Women can no longer go to school, be involved in politics, or even walk outside without a man with her. Biden should have warned our Afghan allies and American citizens that Taliban had already taken over many parts of Afghanistan but he wanted the Afghan president to keep that info on the down low back in July. He should have gotten our people and Allies out before our soldiers withdrew.
Wasn't Trump's deal that all Americans would be out by May? How well would those people be doing if that had happened? Not to mention the 100,000 people Biden evacuated.
Anyway, while the border is always problematic, the US isn't in danger from a few thousand very poor people fleeing a country that has been hit by two earthquakes and a tropical storm, whose president was assassinated and is plagued by gang violence. Many of them have been sent back by Biden, anyway, but none of them have had a baby or child taken from them, which is an improvement, in my opinion.
@goaded it's laughable you think it's just a few thousand. Over 10,000 came in just in the one group. But thousands have been coming in everyday since Bidens been president. And those immigrants aren't as much as a problem as the one's coming in illegally and are smuggling drugs and people. But still the millions of illegal migrants we have in the United State does add up when tax payers have to pay for them to be here.
And when us Americans break the law are we not separated from our children and put in jail? So why is it different if someone illegally crosses our border that they shouldn't be jailed and their children separated? That's what happens when you break our laws.
You're brave for asking a question like this. I've learned that Covid and vaccines are controversial topics on GAG. So now I avoid asking questions about this matter. Just seeing the amount of hate you're getting makes me sad. Many people can't see that because they either believe in conspiracy theories or they think there's no virus and this all a lie. It's a shame, it's because of them that this pandemic will never end.
What do you mean Trump told them not to vaccinate? He was the first to push vaccines, and the left were saying all the things they’re bashing “Trumptards” for saying.
Many on the right never wanted the vaccines whether it was Trump or whoever else who was encouraging it. It’s the left who are more easily influenced.
Anyway, aside from that I think it’s about personal situation. You know a large number of people who died, I know none. I heard of one, some guy who worked for my company’s old auntie, that’s it.
Of course people are dying from it, I’m not calling you a liar, but I’m not seeing it where I am. Most people here didn’t even follow lockdown orders, they’ve been travelling around not wearing masks. Even the old people I know, I mixed with others much less than they did. Yet everybody is fine. Many of us have had it and it was like a cold, nobody has been seriously ill. My guess is that it all depends on whether you’re seeing the people around you die or not.
Because it doesn't and because they're not being nearly transparent with the information data or reporting on the whole situation as a whole and because how the government is financially bribing people and trying to force people to take this which is a huge red flag because they're saying that it's safe and effective and has no long-term effects when people see people that have the vaccine getting complications from it and because if we accept this vaccine as being good and every other month they're going to have something new they're trying to shove it our arms
You’re clearly brainwashed and probably believes in CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News. As a former health care worker, there is nothing safe about these vaccines when you have people having adverse reactions. These vaccines aren’t even vaccines as in they alter your DNA with a MRNA receiver. Everyone that I know personally have lost limbs or had some serious blood clotting from these vaccines. My mom has breast cancer since taking the Pfizer vaccine and my grandma is having nerve issues. Both of their memories are fogged and they can’t see clearly.
They’ve been to the hospital since they took the vaccine - I see their hospital bills and yesterday my grandma went to the doctor yesterday. Both of them are always ill and seeing doctors on the regular. I will never take this poison and avoid people like you who have this narrative about the clot shot
Respect people’s choice in not taking the vaccine. If you took the vaccine and wear your mask what someone else does with their lives is their choice in how they want deal with their health.
Seen enough in 11 years working in the medical field and yes , you are misinformed in how science works and what covid is doing. For all those peoples funerals you attended how do you know they were vaccinated or not?
Interesting hypothesis! So, as professional, could you please explain the science behind how does the messenger ribonucleic acid alter our DNA? Is the mRNA inserted directly into our DNA? Or does it use the reverse transcriptase? And what about introns and exons? Does the mRNA in vaccine have them?
I’m a former nurse myself. I’ve had people I’ve hung out with every single time they’d ask me my opinion or thoughts on why I won’t receive it no matter how hard they restrict my daily life. And now these people have had serious reactions that will affect the rest of their life and never even thought it was from the vaccine. Although that was the only thing that could of been the culprit. Especially when people all over the world by the 000’s are and have had same reaction from jt. It’s in front of their faces. And still blind to it 😞
Exactly @alleon I don’t understand what part they don’t get. It’s mind boggling at this point.. yes everyone I know had serious issues and reactions to it.
@Mango-man I can’t answer that you have to communicate with the doctor or whomever gave you this. I researched enough to know these vaccines are dangerous and not safe
@cthom1243 No... You didn't research anything. Research requires forming a hypothesis, conducting experiments, and publishing scientific article into a peer-reviewed journal.
Maybe you googled something or watched some YouTube videos, but you didn't do any research since you didn't provide the doi link to your published results of your "research".
In science, claims that aren't supported by any proof should be considered to be a false statements. And the lack of any proof for you claims leads to conclusion that your claim must be fake. Unless, of course, you show us the results of your research that showed you the conclusion that messenger ribonucleic acid alters human genome.
You don't even need to describe the molecular mechanisms in your research, just raw sequence data from the genome sequencing of affected patients before and after vaccination would be enough to prove your point.
I’m a health care worker 11 years and I’ve been researching the last 2 years. You sheep’s should have researched then you wouldn’t have been dumb to take a gene altering therapy experiment
And please do notice I am not taking any sides. I am not saying vaccines don't have any unforeseen side effects, nor am I saying they do. All I am asking for is the correct use of terms, to back up any bold claims (ie. based on facts and not emotions, since we are talking science), and to not mix correlation with causality.
Just think about this. If you’re going off of the media. Since when hasn’t journalism or media not try to go for an opposite angle or change opposing stories. There’s no sensationalism anymore. It’s a one track mind. No media covering the adverse reactions or despite the media calling them non peaceful protests but they are. Why aren’t they even given much attention? Have you not seen anything with drs with valid credentials related to virology or microbiology? Because I have. But those videos and those stories are being squashed
You can tell they haven’t listened to both sides there are doctors being censored right now who I listen too and follow. In the next few years it’s going to be crazy all crazy stuff @alleon All these vaxxers are regretting thinking the way they do.
So if I understand it correctly, everyone who got vaccinated is sheep (not sheep's, plural of sheep ia sheep) just because they don't blindly believe your claims which you based on deleted videos? But instead you uncovered worldwide conspiracy that is supported by all world leaders? Like USA, Russia, China, Commonwealth, EU, Japan, both Koreas, and all other countries systematically trying to weaken their own political and economical position by killing their own citizens, and none of them would use it for gaining political power by exposing it? If that is so, why they vaccinate first the elderly people?
They don’t contribute to society, the baby boomers was probably the largest era of babies born after the war. So basically they’re costing $$$ keeping them alive in nursing homes. And they’re pumped full of useless meds while in there. It costs 3-4000 per month per resident to reside in a nursing home facility.
No @Mango-man you vaccinated people blindly follow the government without questioning it’s entirely. You have to be fool trust the government and not think anything is wrong
Less money for SSI , social security, and retirement/ 401k without the elderly people there’s no need to keep them around since they are elderly , less money to be issued and more for the greedy.
The elites wants everyone gone they don’t want anyone standing - so they got the elderly , health care/ front line workers, state workers , teens, pregnant mom / babies, and now kids.
Which government are we talking about? And what will those greedy do with their money once everyone is dead? Isn't the purpose rich people collecting money to have more power over those who don't have money? Who would produce food for those elites, fix their stuff, perform surgeries for them, mine resourced for them, and produce new stuff for them when everyone is dead?
The government you sheep trusted same people who own big pharmo ( Gates foundation) that’s right Melinda and Bill. Vaccine program is to rid everyone.. less high ways , more access to free to food, and more access to resources. The great culling is here / the great reset
Okay, let's say the vaccine indeed eliminates all vaccinated sheep, but what then? The "elites" would lose the mass they could easily control and would have to deal with "troublemakers" who refused to get vaccinated. Wouldn't it be then more beneficial for "elites" if they got rid of all those who don't want to listen and kept only sheep that like to be controlled?
Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. ... So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
@cthom1243 I hope you realize you come of as a delusional conspiracy person that have seen to much moves like resident evel when you expres yourself that way in the comment.
I don’t think they want us all dead, but they do want us subdued, compliant and properly controlled in our tiny pods eating bugs. They, being the rich and powerful are in the unique position to save humanity from itself. They aren’t shy about this. They think they’re the good guys.
Thank you. And I'm so sorry to hear about your mom and grandma with the side effects of this GMO cocktail. About 3/4 of our church got "ill" in Jan 2020- no fever, no aches, no cough, could still taste things- just felt like we had been hit by a truck until our bodies developed true immunity the way they were designed to do. Yes, we have lost friends to the Wuhan virus, too- 4 out of 5 WERE "vaccinated".
Mangohead better re-read Rom 13: 1- "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. " God established no "government". God established HIS sovereignty over the Earth. There are really only 2 jobs for the Fed govt: 1. Protect the sovereignty of the nation and its people. 2. Resolve differences between the states. The rest of its power has been sucked out of the lives, minds and pockets of the legal citizens OF the nation.
So this thread got on the crazy train SUPER fast. The “medical professionals” here no jack shit about what they’re talking about. The global conspiracy theory thing proves they’re nuts even more than claiming the vaccine doesn’t work. See also: illuminati, flat earth, jewish space lasers, lizard people, et al.
I think they know it saves lives but you have a couple of things going on. First, you have a lot of misinformation about its safety floating around the internet that has caused some people to be afraid to take it. Also, it has basically been turned into a political issue, where people are dug in on the idea that their personal freedom is more important than public health. In the end, if somebody wants to risk their own health by refusing the vaccine, why should I care? Even if they’re misguided, it’s their life to live.
@Roxxy99 How can you sit here and talk like you know the vaccine is safe especially when both VAERS and the FDA say that thousands have died after taking it? Because the news doesn't talk about it? You are trying to justify putting something into your veins that can have long-term effects because the news told you to do it. There have been no human trials for this until 2021. Other vaccines have been tested for 5-10 years before being released to the public.
There is no misinformation causing this. Like someone is sitting there going: “that video told me not to get it.”
People aren’t getting it mostly all for the same reason. Their subjective experiences aren’t matching what we’re being told. When Covid first came out the media hyped it up as is if it were the Bubonic Plague. I know many who’ve had it. Young, old, black, white, whatever. Don’t know anyone who died from it or was on a ventilator. I’ve had it. It wasn’t any big deal. Then there was all the misinformation about it like how it can live on cardboard for days and in the air for hours. Then it was masks help, then it was they don’t then it was wear them anyway. By spring 2021 some people were pushing for athletes to wear masks and for people to wear two masks.
This issue does not match what most people see and hear around them, myself included and that’s why they’re not getting it, not because some Qanon person told them not to.
@Manchild2018 VAERS is useless. It catalogs adverse events. It doesn’t attribute deaths to any specific cause. Anyone can report anything to it, such as actual reports that the vaccine turned someone into the Incredible Hulk. Much of it is nonsense. It’s not information to rely on. The FDA isn’t reporting that thousands have died. If that’s the case, there should be thousands of death certificates listing the vaccine as a cause of death by real medical examiners. Where are those? Hint…. they don’t exist. As for long term effects, what vaccine has ever presented serious health issues months or years down the road? They’re too short-lived in the body. Health issues usually arise within days or weeks. I’m not telling anyone they should or shouldn’t get the vaccine. That’s a personal decision. I just wish people were basing their choice around good information. Misinformation doesn’t serve anyone well.
Health officials have recently reported that the COVID virus is going to be like the flu long-term. Getting a flu shot is voluntary so why shouldn't the COVID vaccine be the same. The mandate of being vaccinated or losing your job, or can't travel, or your kid can't be in school, that's what people are rebelling against. Shouldn't an individual have a right to decide what goes in their body?
And info about COVID repeatedly changes. Just last week, officials reported that unvaccinated people should expect to get COVID every 16 months, in an effort to get people to vaccinate. Yet, just a few months ago, they said that the vaccine was only good for 9 months. So, what's the difference if you get vaccinated or not.
Make the vaccine available... just don't mandate it.
I believe some are just so anti everything that they are beyond reaching I’m all about getting my shots but I’m not ok with our government forcing people get there’s but definitely assholes like trump need to wake up and stop spreading miss information but really the ones still following trump after he got those people to storm the capital and then turned his back on them when they started going to jail when he had the power to pardon them these people are going to go against common sense as long as there’s some theory out there they will jump on it
Because they managed to politicise a global pandemic.
They ignore the fact that most of the vaccines were almost at rollout while Drumpf was still in office and would have forcibly vaccinated everyone if he'd won as he'd have claimed it was his "leadership" that brought it into being - you know, ignoring the fact that he asked why we chant just inject people with bleach during a live press conference.
I'm disgusted how the lives of the world has become linked to which geriatric won the American presidency.
They can't see it because they believe in rumors of social media more than doctor consultation. It is not their fault too because if news, governments and the people who people whom people trust say this so they tend to believe them then doctors who are strangers for them. It's just they need to grow up than being dramatic kitten. Like they don't think that vaccine was made for a purpose and was also officially TESTED before sending it to different parts of world.
It’s out of your trolling or your account such as a society or your anti-thinker or you watch too much TV.
You’re a weasel buddy!
I bet you you’re overweight and obese or fat!
It’s always those people who look like shit thing to seem to know the most about health! And all they talk about are vaccin3s.
Flu shot that was tastes for years almost shut down my kidneys. Took me over 10 years to natural heal myself.
1930’s cigarettes and smoking was heavily advertised just like today which C0ViD 19 vaccin3s and that time it was the best thing you could’ve done smoking could prevent cancer and boost your immune system and it was amazing for pregnant women which was constantly promoted it on TV media and doctors and physicians!!
If you wanna die there’s also quicker ways you could do it instead of promoting your garbage I should say your Satanic nonsense.
Because it doesn't fit into their world, so they choose "alternative facts". You cannot argue with these people. They're literally the same level of delusional as Flat-Earthers and Creationists and all sorts of other conspiracy nutjobs. We need to focus on teaching science and media literacy in school and try to reach out to the people who are undecided, but those crazy anti-vaxxers - let 'em go. They made up their insane minds and we need to protect ourselves FROM THEM.
Lumping people who are hesitant about a rushed experimental vaccine and government forced mandates with flat-earthers is extremely disingenuous. And what on earth do religion people have to do with any of this? Are you just listing off people you have an irrational hatred for?
@DarkWinterNights The point is that all of you people have one thing in common - you believe in pseudoscientific nonsense and are apparently immune to learning or accepting any facts. If you knew the first thing about these vaccines, you wouldn't be "hesitant". Everyone who can get vaccinates, should get. Because it's BY FAR the most rational decision in every case.
And I didn't say anything about religious people in general, but about Creationists specifically. They believe in insane nonsense just like Flat-Earthers.
Vaccine hesitancy is prevalent for many reasons but I don't ever recall Trump telling people to avoid vaccination. I believe the biggest reason for hesitancy at this point is the constantly changing "guidance" from our government which seems to be based more on political advantage than health concerns. The FDA chief disregarded the FDA medical panel's recommendation that boosters were only needed for the immunocompromised and elderly and recommended every adult get a booster. Our current VP stated she wouldn't trust a vaccine developed under the Trump administration yet now expects everyone to willingly get Those very same vaccinations. Those types of political decisions and comments make people leary of the recommendations and cast doubt on the vaccination program.
Consider the following: the only people under any amount of threat are people over 50 and those with previous related conditions, even at that, the threat you face over 50 is still menial.
We shut down practically the entirety of the economy for you people. Everyone stayed at home and covered up their airway. For people with less than 20 years left on the planet. I'm not trying a new soda for this shit, or for YOU, much less an untested vaccine. You've gotten enough.
Because some people do not like to be told what to do. In Canada it’s not mandatory but a lot of companies are changing their policies so if you don’t have it you will be let go. Also restaurants now have a policy if you can’t show you have been double vaxed you can’t eat in. So sure you don’t have to get the shot but then you can’t do certain things. I am good with it. I love the people that say I am not putting that shit in me. Lol yeah yet a lot of those same people smoke and drink and eat garbage fast processed food. Makes sense. Lmao.
It’s killing hundreds of thousands that would ostensibly still be alive had they NOT taken the poison shot. Strokes, blood clots, heart attacks, aneurysms, all in previously healthy people. It’s worse for those with underlying co morbidities, but yeah, keep pushing the party line and sucking joes ass.
These fucking liberals actually think it is ok to force this shot on people. All we want to do is be left alone and live our lives and not get injected with something dangerous and these liberals act like we are the ones who are wrong. They are the villains here and they can't see it at all.
Exactly @Manchild2018 I avoid them and Democrats they have become cultist mentality. I’ve let a lot of people go because they so wrapped around this vaccine and what other people are doing with their lives.
@cthom1243 These psychos on this site want to force inject us all with toxic garbage and they think we are the villains. We want to be left alone and just have freedom and these mentally ill idiots are worried about what we do with our lives but we are the bad guys? This site has the worst idiots that I have ever seen.
@cthom1243 This site is full of sheep who want innocent people like us injected with that poison. I no longer will try to wake these people up. They are their own worst enemies and karma will come for them.
It’s sure will I know longer deal with the vaccinated it’s pointless to try and assist them @Manchild2018 all they think about is themselves and truth be told when I do date my partner has to be unvaccinated 110%
I wouldn’t kiss, hug, have sex, data, or drink behind anyone vaccinated. The vaccine shedding is true vaccinated people are nothing more, but biological weapons spreading their illnesses and shedding onto US. Just last week my allergies were up and I was sick a week / I had to do a detox ( alkaline diet ) - if I date or be intimate with anyone he has to be unvaccinated @Manchild2018 vaccinated people get on my nerves
@Manchikd2018 I’ll stay pure even on my dating profile I made it clear that I ONLY DATE UNVACCINATED MEN. It’s been 3 years.. I want too make sure they don’t have the jab one lied and said he got the flu shot, but got the jab.. see I gotta be careful
Why do we keep fighting a war on drugs or figting poverty with tanks instead of food or policing mental health... group think and individual biases basically, psych answer. Tongue in cheek answer is that if they admit they were wrong its all for nothing and they lose their social group
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The press has labelled anyone who will not blindly let somebody inject a drug into their bodies as "Anti Vax". What most of these people want is sovereignty over their own bodies. I took the vaccine way back in March because I thought it was the best thing for me. If my kids were still little however I do not think I would get them vaccinated until I could be sure it would not harm a developing body.
It doesn't, its now killing people. Also they had to change the definition of vaccine to cover this shot so they could keep continuing calling it a vaccine, it only protects not immunize you. Naturally immunity is better anyway, and with this virus having a 99.972% overall survival rate its safe to let it run its course
My best friends dad died from taking the vaccine last month. He had other conditions, but the vaccine caused complications. Granted, I think the elderly and people at risk should take the vax, it's not needed for everyone. Especially since it's a leaky vaccine that will cause more variants from breakthrough cases. You can literally have a vaccinated person who is asymptomatic, get covid, then walk around and spread variants, they call them "super spreaders".
125 is a lot of funerals… I’ve been to like 3 my whole life, and I haven’t known anyone personally who has died from Covid or even hospitalized, despite everyone I know having gotten it at least once. Different experiences influence peoples reactions.
To see the efficacy of a vaccine, you have to compare cases of the infection before it's distribution and after, but you can't do that with covid 19, because the test for it is only 23% accurate, so 77% of the time, you are getting false positives and false negatives.
You also need human trials to test safety, which was skipped for the covid 19 vaccine, which it why that shot put several people I know personally in the hospital.
I thought that too. Like the guys whole family had been wiped out. Pretty much don’t believe him. Don’t care if he gets mad and acts like a child for me saying so either. He comes off like some cult leader trying to make up an amplified death toll in his family to make his point.
Scroll up. Even a funeral director said she she’s seen about that many Covid deaths and she works with dead people daily.
@Exterminatore it's the over 125 funerals this year that got me. I don't know that many people that I'm close enough with to go to their funeral. He would have had to lose nearly everyone he knows. Not likely, considering the survival rate. I don't know a single person who has died from covid.
And I'm pretty sure this is a bullshit troll post. Are we seriously to believe you actually went to 125 funerals lol? I'm not sure how you can swing that since that would be more than 2 a week and I don't think most people even have 125 friends.
Nice try though. I've honestly know about a dozen friends and family that have gotten it, non died and most said it was a like a mild cold.
Does it tho? Maybe it might help some getting it , but if you don't get the shot doesn't mean you're going to get covid!! And to be asymptomatic...🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ u tested positive but no symptoms.. really, if u have the flu , your at home in bed or don't feel well, but u could just carry the flu but not be sick. Stop believing the internet!! If u were meant to catch could, u just will...
Because people are dumb. They will go with the anger and hype rather than the logic and the facts. They will argue, scream, shout, even threaten just to get their point across just because they believe it, even if it's not true. They're getting the attention they've always wanted, even if it's toxic and stupid.
Bad experiences previously with medications, a lack of trust of Health professionals, lack of faith in government from previous lies and hoodwinking?
Anti vaxers may be the wrong term? That to me relates to people who are against everyone getting the jab (s); rather than those who do not wish to get it.
Anyone can post anything they like on the net these days too, so a lot of mis information and stats out there
Because we see with our EYES open while you walk blindly as a sheep following a shepard pretending you're safe when your not. When you take the 20th Booster Shot maybe you might wake up. When you finally open your eyes and see when will you finally be safe taking all these jabs & just wonder what all did you really put in your body? Thinking you saves lives HAHHAHAHA!!!
Ventilators killed those people you moron. Not "covid" which is basically just the flu or whatever the fuck someone is sick with you fucking brainwashed retard. Fuck your poison vaccine. It is government population control for dummies.
Weird that the flu is around every year but suddenly this year it's killed FAR more people world wide... and we also stopped dying from the flu at alarming rates because of vaccines. If the vaccinated weren't around, you'd all be dead already from some previous diseas we overcame using vaccines.
@Kelly6 You both are fucking retards. More people died in 2019 than 2020 that is documented and a fact and yea people are really dying now ever since the vaccine was released to the public but keep being scared of your fake TV virus that the Amish are not affected by because the government has no way to put them in fear.
I don't care who is a fucking liberal or a conservative. People are dying from this shot way more than they died from any virus. Viruses do not kill you. The treatment does. Ventilators and dangerous medications then when people die they blame it on the virus instead of what actually killed them so yea you are the uninformed moron not me.
I don't know if you remember but people used to be all for wearing masks... until they were mandated. Much like that, the only people who would have been considered antivax when the vaccines came out would be people like Kamala Harris when she said that she would not be getting the vaccine if Trump told her to do it but she would if Fauci did.
It just comes down to Americans do not like being told what to do, especially if their livelihoods are threatened.
There's a bit of a difference between not wanting to do what you're told to by experts and not wanting to do something you're told to by a serial liar and his crony. Are you sure people stopped wearing masks when they were mandated? It seems unlikely that you'd change your mind about what's good for you. I think it was just the volume was turned up on the people who would never have worn one anyway.
@goaded I didn't say that people stopped wearing masks, they understood why they should without government intervention. Now that government is involved, they know that they will be total control freaks about it and it never ends well so they want the mandates to go away. Exactly what they are also doing with the vaccines.
Also I get it, some people think Trump is a liar, but many people think Biden is a lair but I am guessing that is not the people's decision to make now is it?
Blaming Trump supporters is wrong. That was concocted by the radical left. The vaccine was developed quick and they still do not know everything that it alone can cause. People still get sick, people still die from both the virus and the vaccine. I have clotting issues and many allergies and refuse to get the vaccine. I have been exposed multiple times and have gotten nothing. I don't get the flu shot either. It is unconstitutional to force people to inject anything into their bodies.
I personally believe that people recognize that, but are pushing back against the mandates. It’s like a teenager. Tell them to do something and they won’t do it. That’s also what this country was created on. Defiance of authority. The messaging for the vaccine from the very beginning was botched. Anthony Fauci has botched the response to Covid the same way he did the AIDS epidemic.
because while it surely does save lives covid on its own has a 99.6% survival rate and... it was never really a big deal.
also. our information age of a culture highlights super rare stories that imply bad things are more common than they are (mass shootings and police shootings are also examples of this). so negative stories seem more common than they are. find ONE person die from the vaccine? that will be seen by millions
1. Because I don't care if I died, infact I kind of want to
2. I don't believe something til I believe it, and since I've been outside 1000 times with no mask and haven't got ill.. I think my immune system is too strong to get it... If I ever get it myself then il believe in this mystical disease, I don't believe things blindly jus cos news told me... Like Christians blindly believe when people say god's real... I wanna see it for myself first
Because, and I'm just spitballing here, the anti-vaxers think the gummint is making them do something they don't wanna do. "Ain't lettin' no gummint tell ME what to put in mah body!"
If you're fully vax'd then quit whining about everybody else. My body, my choice. And yes, I'm am too, but we're all sick and tired of you fucktard karens. GTFO
So here's the thing. Look at how many people died in the hospital under medical care. And then how many homes have had dead bodies pulled out of them? None. Covid is not as dangerous as the media and polital parties want us to believe.
There’s an interest in not getting the vaccine to be obtuse and “put it to the democrats” which is really self destructive. It’s like refusing to wear a seatbelt out of spite.
And why can't pro vaccers see that it doesn't make anyone totally protected or doesn't protect others from getting it from vaccinated people since they are as much of a carrier that are contagious.
Do you have airbags in your car? Do they make you "totally protected"?
And, no, infected people who have been vaccinated put out less virus than the unvaccinated, as well as less likely to get infected. There's a good explanation here: www.reddit.com/.../
None of the cars I have owned have had that. My first didn't even have seatbelts 😉
Learn some real medical science before referring to some reddit post that anyone could have made up.
Unfortunately for you the government had to change their bullshit earlier this year and go with what professionals and scientists within the contagious and vaccine fields had said from the start. An other thing is that people have become retarded and lost 100 years of science/experience behind vaccine and being contagious. something majority of people in the western countries did know 20 years ago and suddenly it is like all that experience and science flow out the window like it never existed. Talk about twisted fearmongering and dropped intelligence. But what should we expect from people that doesn't think and believe all kind of nonsense from internet media. most likely from people with anxiety problems and dilutions.
Pro vacces aren't better than anti vacces. they apparently worse. just like political ideologists when someone doesn't go their way.
"Learn some real medical science before referring to some reddit post that anyone could have made up." Oh, get knotted. I didn't say it was definitive documentation, just that it was a good explanation. Whether or not you have airbags or seatbelts or brakes, the obviously true point is that while none of them ensure you'll never die in a car crash, they all make it less likely.
Did see that. the thing is that vaccines are for the vaccinated. not for people around the vaccinated one to mot get it. It's like with the messed up claim that children aren't contagious. they doesn't spread it. everything just to not close schools. They have been criticized for it. now they want to push a untested vaccine on children. something that they have no clue about longterm effects ( official ) . It's the swinflue vaccine scandal all over again.
I remember hairyass telling us if a vaccine was developed under the Trump administration she wouldn’t trust it or take it. She bears a lot of the responsibility for the confusion
So what you’re saying is, in this statement “ "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,” all you heard was “if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it,” So again, I ask, who is responsible for that confusion?
Perhaps she could have used easier words for you to understand. Apparently “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it” is too muddled and convoluted for you to comprehend. Okay, I can see how it would be her fault now that I think about it. She didn’t really consider what level of understanding her audience would have, and failed to dumb it down enough for some. I agree with you. That’s her fault.
@UCrayCray You are wasting your time with that one. The stupidity and pride for stupidity has reached epic proportions. To suffer from Trumpster syndrome might be a future entry in the medical books.
Who in the world knows that many people. And that many people died from it? I havnt even heard 1 person I know or even knew die from it. Crazy how different that seems..
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The only upside to all this, if there is one, is that the virus is killing Republicans mostly. My sympathies for the loss of your loved ones no matter what.
After the vaccin3z people are dropping dead this moron kool dumbass thinks is because of C0ViD since the TV said so.
18 months before the jabs came out meanwhile C0ViD was heavily promoted by the fake mainstream media no one died based on the fat obese people which were the same numbers as the flu
I don't know anyone who has died either. I've known 6 people that had it so far but their immune systems fought it off. They said it felt like a bad flu.
My unvaccinated husband got covid-19 from his vaccinated co-worker. Then after he recovered my 17 yr old son got covid-19 three weeks later from persons unknown. He works fast food so I'm guessing he got it working. Then 2 weeks later my sons girlfriend and her family all tested positive for covid-19. Luckily it wasn't serious enough for any of them to be hospitalized.
1. A substance giving to stimulate the body's production of antibodies and provide immunity against a disease, prepared from the agent that causes the disease, or a synthetic substitute." (Literally the first definition in wiktionary, from 2005.)
@Amur8711 Not perfect immunity, no. It "just" reduces infection risk by half and saves the lives of most of the people who've had it and do subsequently get infected. (The UK's had half its cases of covid since May this year, and 10% of its deaths, for example.)
So its not a vaccine. Sure but now "vaccinated" are the ones getting hospitalized from it now more frequently than before, and the number is rising as the unvaccinated numbers fall.
@Amur8711 Of course it's a vaccine. No vaccine has ever provided 100% immunity (nor does recovery from a disease). There are now many more vaccinated people than unvaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated, 100% of the cases in hospital would be vaccinated people, but there would be a hell of a lot less of them than if nobody was vaccinated. Show me the numbers.
@Amur8711 A fair point about immunity being in the definition, but there's implicitly levels of immunity, otherwise you couldn't say better or worse immunity, could you?
@Amur8711 It's as much a vaccine as any other vaccine, and more effective than most flu vaccines. Are you going to stop calling the flu vaccine a vaccine?
Never referred to them as a vaccine anyway. Just called it a shot. Also Never needed one if those either. Overall the covid-19 you have 99.972 percent chance in surviving without any vaccine.
Got that number from CNN when the said you have a 99.999% chance I surviving covid with the vaccine, then they said your 20x more likely to die without the vaccine. If you do the math thats 99.9972%
One in 440 Americans have died already, although most Americans haven't had it yet. That's the ultimate lower bound for the fatality rate in the US: 0.229% (2,290 per million), but that's obviously too low, since Mississippi has had 3,382 deaths per million, so it's significantly more than 0.3382%, since only a minority have caught it yet.
Isreal just did a study and found that natural immunity is 13x more powerful than the phizer vaccine. Which only makes sense. A vaccine is a dummy version of a virus, if you beat it naturally your antibodies are obviously going to be stronger than ones that fought a dummy.
Everyone knows that the numbers of covid-19 deaths are severely bloated, using any change to add to the tally possible. All to make money for the pharmaceutical companies.
@Amur8711 Except those that don't achieve that wonderful natural immunity are dead. Bit of a drawback, there.
And, no, nobody "knows" that, because it's not true. Just look at the number of excess deaths over the last year (compared to the previous five years).
@Amur8711 That's a loaded term: "have to". I'd expect an exemption for having recovered, provided you can prove it, like here in Europe. The electronic covid "passport" covers innoculated, recovered and recently tested negative. They *should* still probably get one shot, because that's been shown to increase resistance, even after recovering.
Well here there is no such thing as proving it. My dad is being forced to get it or be fired. The only othe option is exemption by medical or religious grounds.
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