Is your opinion of Anthony Fauci positive, negative, or neutral?

[Physics-Man]

Positive

Negative

Neutral

[TadCurious]

Very negative. I first realized how much of a hypocrite he was after seeing the photo of him at a Nationals baseball game where wasn't wearing a mask and was not social distancing. And this was early in the pandemic. And the revelations that he lied to Congress about funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology made me further realize how bad his judgment is. And then the news came out about the disgusting and inhumane experiments on puppies. He should have already been fired.

[TadCurious]

Thanks PM for MHO.

[FilmGuy93]

Very negative. I never especially liked or trusted the guy, but the more I've dug into his past, the more shocked I am that they guy still has a job. I only started really despising Fauci when I found out he was in bed with the Chinese. My dislike of him has only intensified with time.

[Anonymous]

I have spent many years working for the pharmaceutical industry. Fauci is more into being a political consultant who has huge sums of cashflow driven by greed rather than caring about the health of the people. He is like a dictator who wants popularity and is willing to make himself look good at the risk of side effects to the human population who puts these products in their body. This man has blood in his hands and will only get worse as he has a motive to force children to put things in their body that will cause reproductive harm and cause longterm degenerative disease within the cell structure. We have seen serious side effects in people under 30 years of age in labs that have been hidden in the closet and from the public eye. Some of his motives are like putting micro agent orange into everyones body, but will take 40 years for people to realize what this has done to them.

[boomstheory]

To be completely honest about it all of these politicians on both sides of the aisle are all just puppets helping put on The Big show the world of the stage and reality as we know it is an illusion and all of these guys Republican Democrat liberal progressive leftist an alt-right and politicians are all put on a show and they're all on the same side

[MCheetah]

Slightly Negative. I knew he was a con man and liar from the very start, so I never felt "betrayed" or thought of him to be a con artists to begin with. So I guess you can say it was always negative, from the beginning, and hasn't changed, since. It's like asking me what are my opinions on politicians in Washington.

[DarkWinterNights]

Started off kind of annoyed that he always seemed to be playing catch-up to the news the night before and flip flopping on everything. Now I despise him, greatly so after what came out this week regarding his inhumane experiments and killings of puppies.

[AviatorTom]

I chose Neutral...

It changes over time, along with his opinions. To be fair, no one really knows what's going on with the SARS2 virus that causes COVID. It's all speculation because no one has experience dealing with something like this before. New things are learned that sometimes contradict previous understandings... and sometimes those are contradicted by future findings.

Dr Fauci seems to give the "philosophy of the day", which is confusing.

[ODC2112]

Fauci still be one of the best virologist in the American history. But, as my American relative once said, American average people is too stupid for understand the value of a great person, after all, an average American reason like a child. For that I am not suprpised about results. You can see the effects of the disinformation that the Communists once did, and which has now permeated the American right. Attacks from animal rights activists and other sub-humans have arrived. Seeing this thread I begin to think that many people drink lukewarm diarrhea saying it is hot chocolate.

[Belgie]

Negative. He can claim all the justifications in the world, but the truth is, he lied. Repeatedly. And he's been caught in a lie. Repeatedly.

It is so god damned frustrating that he's still the darling of the political left and the corporate media.

[Frank_Woods]

I'm sure he has a lot of medical knowledge, but the guy is half medicine, half politician. I want medical advice, not what the democrats tell him to tell us. Overwhelming negative for Flipflop Fauci.

[MuddyMole]

I feel bad for the guy. He's basically a scientist, just saying the same things that any scientist would say, but because he's the one being dragged out into the public eye, he's become the focus of attacks from all sides.

[Surely]

None of your ratings are low enough to describe him. He should be tried for murder and animal abuse. Since he was sending money to China for viral research when Covid escaped and now sicking animal research.

[DCooper]

I find it entertaining that the lefties' favorite doctor is a $500k+/year bureaucrat who hasn't seen an actual patient since he did his residency. It fits so perfectly.

[DCooper]

Then when you toss in the fact that he inadvertently mail ordered the coronavirus from China, after Comrade Zero banned gain of function research in the US (one of the few calls he didn't fuck up on), it fits their pattern even better.

[ohshee]

I don't like man I never had like the man there's something about him just bullshit

[DaveJord]

I trust the science, but not the scientists. One thing scientists and academics love more then themselves or their is recognition!

Dudes, a political being... when the science changes every day, you got to ask yourself... wtf?

[Hannahbananaaaaa]

I don’t like him. When he lied about the efficacy of masks, he lost me. I get not wanting to have them run out for those that work on the front lines, but a lie is still a lie…. I’ve not thought a positive thing since

[Staximus]

The guy lied on national television repeatedly about NIH not funding gain of function covid research. He should be in jail until he croaks.

[Manchild2018]

Just another Freemasonic puppet like Trump, Biden and whoever else. Lying to the masses and mocking the masses.

[Precipice]

Pretty much. Except i do think Trump was some sort of exception to those strings because every facet of the media was against him. Who knows, maybe he was a puppet just to instill division amongst political parties. But we'll never know.

[Manchild2018]

@Precipice That was all a psy-op. Trump and the media were both in on it. They always fake fight to try to make us fake fight.

[Precipice]

This man child could be right 👀

[f_ckjoebiden]

@Precipice Everything is fake in this day and age, but it's still good fun to rip on libtards.

[Precipice]

🤣 teheh

[tartaarsaus]

Indifferent. I also don’t understand why so many Americans have a strongly positive or strongly negative view of him. Dude is a civil servant with no capacity to make political choices. Here, the equivalent of him is barely ever in the news.

[joeldalton]

That's where you're wrong. His shitty advice has translated to policy.

[tartaarsaus]

And he has no power to make it into policy, so blame politicians.

It is stupid to focus this strongly on a civil servant. Weird country

[joeldalton]

Were you wearing a mask at all during this pandemic?

[tartaarsaus]

Hardly relevant. How some people obsess over him positively is also weird af

[joeldalton]

100% relevant. Did they ever give AZT to HIV patients in your country?

[tartaarsaus]

Hardly relevant. And I don’t know.

[joeldalton]

lmao. You're so god damned full of shit. Because these are all the things you and people and your country have had to suffer through because of Fauci's incompetence.

[tartaarsaus]

I can assure you nothing in my country is determined by Fauci

[joeldalton]

Guarantee it is

[tartaarsaus]

I can guarantee you it is not

[Anonymous]

Very negative.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/gki12l1UNGg

[okeydoke]

Blaze TV. Totally a reliable resource and not totally insane right wing propaganda.

[Opinion Owner]

@okeydoke Like CNN isn't? All news has their own biases; but at least the people on the Blaze are willing to admit theirs. Lemon and Cuomo were openly routing for the DNC live on air during the election.

[okeydoke]

So there’s a biased source, it admits it’s biased, and you still trust it? That makes zero sense.
Also, I’m not going to defend CNN. It definitely is biased and I don’t consume entertainment news. TV news is intentionally sensationalist. Instead, read newspapers.

[Opinion Owner]

@okeydoke Yes, because even print media isn't immune to bias. If you aren't aware of the bias of the news out let you are consuming you are being propagandized to.

[okeydoke]

I think you’re missing the point of what I’m saying. Blaze is considered a generally unreliable resource. Looking at multiple resources from around the world with generally centrist viewpoints is the only way to find the real truth. Not by watching partisan entertainment.

[Opinion Owner]

@okeydoke Who has a centrist viewpoint? In America there is either GOP leaning media or DNC leaning media; and then a handful of far left or far right media outlets. No one is in the middle.

[okeydoke]

So don’t read U. S. media for domestic politics. Read papers like BBC and Reuters.

[okeydoke]

The internet is a wonderful thing.

[Opinion Owner]

@okeydoke How is state run media not propaganda? And I do read Reuters.

[okeydoke]

BBC isn’t state run. Plus the UK doesn’t have censored new media like Telesur, RT, or Al Jazeera, all of which I would consider unreliable state run media.

[Opinion Owner]

@okeydoke How aren't they? They have a royal charter, a monopoly on broadcasting, and are funded by a tax?

[okeydoke]

I think we’re getting really far from the points of what we were talking about.

[DarkWinterNights]

@okeydoke, This inhumane research was widely reported on across the political spectrum.

[okeydoke]

@DarkWinterNights

www.google.com/.../...-vaccine-b1945690.html%3famp

Commenting on the inaccuracies of the puppy and sandfly story. As far as similar animal testing is true though, animal testing is still considered an essential part of biotech and disease research. As horrific as it might be, it’s the only alternative to infecting humans as the Nazis, and unfortunately the U. S. and France, did at the turn of the 20th century.
We can have an honest conversation about the ethics of animal research, but I will find it ironic if you eat meat or hunt and are still against it.

[Answeriseasy]

He is a snake on a power trip. He is what's wrong with this country. A beurocrat on a power trip. If his mouth id moving you can be fairly confident its a lie to line pockets with money for his friends in high places.

[Jamie05rhs]

Currently negative. I have come to the opinion that he is a very cunning liar.

[okeydoke]

There’s no actual reason for it to be negative. He’s a scientist trying to guide the public through a pandemic.

If you’re a Covid truther, that’s your problem.

[joeldalton]

There's no reason for it to be positive unless you're a completely mindless npc who is easily swayed by propaganda and lies.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton The irony in your response is palpable.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. What does it for you? The puppy torture? Is that what gets your dick hard for him?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Lol. I’m not sexually interested in him.

www.google.com/.../...-vaccine-b1945690.html%3famp

Commenting on the inaccuracies of the puppy and sandfly story. As far as similar animal testing is true though, animal testing is still considered an essential part of biotech and disease research. As horrific as it might be, it’s the only alternative to infecting humans as the Nazis, and unfortunately the U. S. and France, did at the turn of the 20th century.
We can have an honest conversation about the ethics of animal research, but I will find it ironic if you eat meat or hunt and are still against it.

[joeldalton]

Ah, so it must just be funding the illegal gain of function research in the wuhan lab that released covid19 into the world with your tax dollars then lying about it to congress you love.

Or maybe, if you’re old school enough, you liked how he pushed AZT on HIV patients which killed them in droves.

Another great moment in Fauci history was when he floated the idea that AIDS could be transmitted by casual contact. I’m sure that did wonders for the gay community.

What happened to you wearing 2 masks? I see that beautiful piece of science isn’t pushed any more.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Your source on illegal or abnormal Wuhan lab research is what? You realize SARS is a common disease family that precedes Covid and has caused regional epidemics that needed to be cured, right? Research into them internationally is not a conspiracy.

healthfeedback.org/.../

Also apparently not actually accurate. And claimed by a doctor in the 1980s who didn’t believe HIV/AIDS even actually existed.

A news article from 1985 shows that Fauci actually argued that casual contact wasn’t a vector of AIDS and that the public shouldn’t worry about transmission in that way.

www.nytimes.com/.../...s-public-fears-of-aids.html

I never wore two masks. Just an N95.

[okeydoke]

Also: science is constantly developing. It’s never been about getting everything right the first time. It’s about gathering information and adjusting hypothesis based on newly acquired information.

And wearing two masks was a totally safe and easy way for people to maybe be extra safe. Even if it ended up not being necessary, there was literally no harm in trying.

[joeldalton]

The gain of function research Fraudci lied about

www.outkick.com/.../

[joeldalton]

He’s a bureaucratic egotistical maniac “Anyone who disagrees with me disagrees with science!”. He has caused untold damage to this country and lies every chance he gets. He needs to be hung.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Let’s assume for a moment he actually lied, which actually appears to be inconclusive at this point. Scientists actually believe that the results found in Wuhan could not and did not cause the pandemic. That makes it entirely irrelevant to the Covid 19 situation.!

theintercept.com/.../

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

For the record Clay Travis, the head of Outkick, is deeply partisan and has consistently made up Covid 19 “facts”.

[joeldalton]

So if that’s the case. Who are these scientists? Why don’t we know who “unanimously” told the intercept that wasn’t the case.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton That’s a hot take. Why didn’t you respond to any of the sources I posted debunking your claims?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Many scientists are quoted by name throughout the article and referenced works are cited at the end of the article. So they’re not anonymous at all.

[joeldalton]

I referred to them as “unanimous”, not anonymous. The first paragraph of your article in the intercept details how eco health funded GOF research in the wuhan lab. Which is exactly what Fraudci said he wasn’t authorizing. So he lied to congress.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Did you read the part of how even if it was a lie, intentional or otherwise, it wasn’t related to Covid 19?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
You haven’t provided anything to the contrary.

[joeldalton]

Yes, and that’s the point. The scientists who claimed such are unnamed. So I don’t know that I trust them.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I already addressed this. And you said before you weren’t claiming they were anonymous, you you just contradicted yourself.
As I said before, individual scientists are quoted and sourced in and after the article.
If you believe individual scientists are politically partisan for some reason, you’re free to look into their individual backgrounds and prove that.

[joeldalton]

There is no evidence the two groups of scientists are the same people.

But let’s play your statements out. Fauci funded gain of function research in a lab in Wuhan china where they were working to make bat coronaviruses more infectious to humans and where three technicians got some sort of respiratory virus that they couldn’t identify and had symptoms extremely similar to covid-19, and in the town where the pandemic originated. but the virus totally didn’t come from that lab. Amazing coincidence.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I want you to give me your source or sources with your assertions. Especially seeing as I have sourced every single one of my claims and you have refuted almost none of them.

[joeldalton]

Your own sources confirm most all I stated; here’s an article about the workers

www.webmd.com/.../wuhan-lab-researchers-illness

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Lol. My sources absolutely do not. Go back and read them.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I read the article you posted and the thesis is literally that we don’t know what caused it or whether the sickness was at all related. It’s, at best, entirely inconclusive.

[joeldalton]

Right. Just an AMAZING coincidence.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
You’re drawing a conclusion that’s not based in fact. Correlation and causation are not the same thing. And you should read the article you yourself posted.

[joeldalton]

Right. Funny how we've used correlation to enact all sorts of restrictions on businesses over the past 2 years.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I don’t think you understand what that word means. The existence of Covid 19 and its dangers have never been in question.

I find it interesting how you ignore almost all of my responses.

[joeldalton]

To the extent of how dangerous covid-19 is certainly in question.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Not among scientists. Find me a peer reviewed study saying anything otherwise. It seems to be you’re posturing and talking out of your butt.

[joeldalton]

You are such a follower of science, go to the CDC and find the IFR for covid-19 by age group. I'm not playing the source game with you.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton So I can provide sources for everything I say, but you’re too lazy?
I think I just won this argument by attrition.

[joeldalton]

You didn't win anything. I'm not playing your bad faith game.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Lmao. Bad faith game? Because I asked you to back up any of your assertions and you literally can’t?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I definitely won and you’re butthurt.

[joeldalton]

neither. Go find the CFR on the CDC site. Then since you're convinced there are asymptomatic super spreaders, know that the IFR is even lower.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Hey doll, prove it. I backed up everything I claimed. Either be lazy and stop pretending you’re right or do an ounce of research.

[joeldalton]

CFR for covid 19. This is simple shit

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton And you don’t think precautions and vaccinations have anything to do with why the pandemic is not significantly worse? There are many countries that were digging mass graves and burning bodies.
Also, a case fatality ration taken out of context doesn’t give anyone much information. There are all sorts of factors that I’m certain go into its calculation.

[joeldalton]

Vaccinations have only been out half the pandemic. Lockdowns were not effective and did more damage than they supposedly helped. Masks are a wonderful method for virtue signaling. Not very effective at preventing the spread of an aerosolized virus.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You’re right on the firat count, but there’s no reason to believe lockdowns and mask mandates didn’t severely limit the spread. In fact the chart would imply they actually did their job.

[joeldalton]

No, the chart tells you how deadly covid is based on your age (ps,, not very if you're under 70)

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
It certainly does not. It tells what percentage of each age population has died. CFR is a survey based on people who have died. Almost exclusively in the U. zs. to boot. It’s not cohesive or conclusive, just a very general risk assessment guide.

[joeldalton]

You're correct. The true measure is IFR. And since we know you all have been panicking about asymptomatic spreaders for 2 years, the actual danger from the disease is substantially lower, as they're not likely to get tested with no symptoms.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

I don’t appreciate your generalizations based in your personal sentiments and no fact.
Anyway, your conclusion is not based in scientific fact.

[joeldalton]

Do you support mask mandates?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Definitely. I live in New York City, the most populous place in the country, and they worked.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Wearing masks isn’t fun. But to be honest, neither is wearing pants. I’m not angry at occasionally needing to do either or both.

[joeldalton]

Why should people who aren’t sick need to wear masks?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Because they might have it, be contagious, and spread it. Especially in crowded public places.

Why should you cover your nose when you sneeze? The same basic reason.
Why should any of us be made to wear pants?

[joeldalton]

So then you admit you believe there are asymptomatic spreaders. Which you just said didn’t exist. Which means the IFR for covid is much lower than CFR. Otherwise there’s no need for people who aren’t sick to wear masks.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I never once said they didn’t exist. Where did you see me say that?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You’re really grasping at straws.

[joeldalton]

I said because of the existence of asymptomatic people the IFR is much lower than the chart I posted. You said that wasn’t based in fact, then admitted that they exist.

It’s not grasping at straws when I’m showing you being blatantly contradictory.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I do think your CONCLUSION around IFR and asymptomatic individuals isn’t based in scientific fact. I do think that asymptomatic individuals exist.
I never contradicted myself.

[joeldalton]

Lol, way to spin your crap. Here, let me make it simple for you. I’ll use little numbers.

You have 100 people who get sick from covid and get a covid test. 10 of them die. That’s 10% CFR.
Now, since you believe asymptomatic people exist…. there are people who had covid that didn’t take a test. Let’s say there’s 50 of them. That’s a 6% IFR. It’s mathematically impossible for a CFR to be lower than a IFR.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
i didn’t spin anything. You’ve been trying to catch me in a misstatement because you’ve been completely unable to catch me on anything with substance.
I need to read more about how CFR and IFR are calculated, because I don’t know. And I’m guessing that you’re also a layperson when it comes to the background and research behind the charts.

[joeldalton]

Case Fatality Rate = number of deaths/number of cases
Infection Fatality Rate = number of deaths/number of infections

This is 3rd grade math.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Except that disease research of a worldwide pandemic is not 3rd grade math. You’re oversimplifying a gargantuan event with a wide variety of factors.

[joeldalton]

No…I’m literally telling you the difference between two ways of measuring a disease’s fatality. It is that simple.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Your assertion that it is simple numbers is exactly what I think is misleading and incorrect.

[joeldalton]

Sorry but it is. What do you think they do to calculate how deadly a disease is? Calculus? Jesus.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You’re grasping at straws and intentionally ignoring the point I was making. Which is unfortunately consistent with the rest of our conversation.

[joeldalton]

lol. ok buddy. We'll just end this conversation. You can continue to wear your mask and cower in fear, and I'll continue to live freely and not worry about covid. Enjoy.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Enjoy the tin foil hat convention.

[joeldalton]

From the guy who thinks wearing a mask from a hostess stand to his restaurant table where he sits down and takes off the mask is rational behavior.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton For the record, I went to a Halloween party last night. Everyone was tested and vaccinated and almost no one wore masks Your perception of hos vaccinated people are acting or what they want isn’t based in reality.

[joeldalton]

lmao. you got a test after being vaccinated? BAHAHAHA. Great. I go to a party like a normal person.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Here in NYC you need to be vaccinated to enter a restaurant at all, so it’s significantly less of an issue.

Though part of it is just respecting others. Like when I was talking about wearing pants in public.

[joeldalton]

No, it's being gaslighted into believing insane behavior is normal. And that you're being a "good person". Which you've bought completely.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Because the party organizers asked everyone to? And because you can still get a mild case of Covid and spread it if you’re vaccinated. So it’s just being extra safe. Getting tested is free and quick, so it’s really not a big deal. I think it’s babyish to feel massively inconvenienced by it.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Or you’re just a conspiracy theorist who think that society is out to get you personally for some reason.
You make a wealth of presumptions without being able to back up any of them.

[joeldalton]

I thought the shots kept you from getting really sick. So if someone gives a vaccinated person covid, no big deal.

Right, completely rational to treat other people as disease vectors. Keep telling yourself that.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Uhhh
That just means that you literally know nothing about the history of contagious disease. Or are selectively ignorant of it.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
You are bizarrely sensitive about something that is extremely low cost and effort. I’m guessing you don’t walk into supermarkets and masturbate or speed your car through school districts. How is any of the Covid stuff infringing on your rights more than literally any other part of being in a society?

[joeldalton]

Oh really? So you had to show your measles vaccine status to get into a restaurant and have to test negative after you got the vaccine?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I had to show my measles vaccine to go to Elementary/middle school, high school, college, and to travel abroad in South America. If I wanted to join the military, I would have had to show it again or be vaccinated upon joining.
The only reason we don’t have to show it, and vaccines from similar horrifying diseases, is because we’ve effectively made them extinct in the United States. Through decades of vaccine use.

[joeldalton]

Your flu shot? Where's your card for that?

I thought the shots kept you from getting really sick. So if someone gives a vaccinated person covid, no big deal.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton So you’re not going to respond to what I said about Measles? Just ignore it and keep on keeping on?
It’s hardly an honest dialogue when you jump on “what about this?” every time I respond to one of your points.

My limited understanding of the flu virus is that it very rapidly evolves and that one flu vaccine does not always work for variants, which is why a new vaccine is developed for the most likely variant annually. We also know the best ways to treat the flu and long term effects of having had it, which is very different than scientific understanding of Covid 19.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
You’re being very short sighted. An immunocompromised person may have wanted to be at the party. Or a pregnant person. Not everyone in society CAN be medically vaccinated or is at equal risk levels. If I get it at a party and am fine, but then spread it to others at my home later, then the party was still the spreading event.

[joeldalton]

Were you ever barred from a restaurant for not having the measles vaccine? You can also claim religious exemption to all vaccines.

[joeldalton]

Right, these mythical immunocompromised people you didn't give a flying fuck about until 2020. Got it.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Um… Did you ignore the paragraph I wrote about it? Or are you just being obtuse for fun?

There are multiple people who are immunocompromised in my life, including my mom. But yeah sure, I totally didn’t care before. Even though I’ve worked as an EMT and have my own medical problems. 🙄

[joeldalton]

If your mom's that immunocompromised what are you doing going to Halloween parties? Christ, someone could have had a false negative and passed covid to you.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Fair question! I’m 29, fully an adult, and live away from my parents. I’m not exposing them.
Super easy question to answer.

[joeldalton]

The point still stands. If this was really a pandemic so bad that immunocompromised were dropping like flies you wouldn't be going to a party. You're using immunocompromised people as an emotional manipulation to justify your insanity.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
That’s a hot take! And makes no sense. If you’re a lazy person, just enjoy being obtuse, or don’t care about other people then just admit it instead of projecting your fears and insecurities.

[joeldalton]

Ah, there it is. "If you don't care about people". That's the beauty of all this bullshit. They framed it as if you comply you're a good person. So you've hitched your wagon to it. I mean hey, who doesn't want to be a good person. Now it's part of your personality.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
So… still not responding to the content of a single thing I’ve written or posted? You’ve really got a spoon to grind, doll. I don’t know who hurt you.

[joeldalton]

I did respond. Go read.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Dude, a solid 90+ percent of the things I’ve written during the span of our conversation you’ve ignored. Your debate strategy is whataboutism, which is intellectually diversionary and disingenuous.

[joeldalton]

Right. as I said. You live your life how you want, and I'll live normally. Keep your hypochondria to yourself and we're fine.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I’m not a hypochondriac, just not a conspiracy theory moron.
If you want to “be free” without social pressures, move to Somalia.

[joeldalton]

Right. It was such a crazy conspiracy back in march 2020 when people predicted you'd need a vaccine pass to go eat in a restaurant.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
Needed to be vaccinated to be safe in society was almost always portrayed as something to be expected, so hardly a secret or conspiracy.

[joeldalton]

Um. How are these shots creating a safe society if you can still catch and spread the disease you got a shot for?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Easy peasy. Not dying or being permanently maimed.
In a lot of ways the same reason we need to wear seatbelts in cars.

[joeldalton]

Fine. But you don't need me to wear a seatbelt for yours to work, do you.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

“Seat belt laws and enhanced enforcement increase seat belt use, thereby reducing crash-related injuries. Seat belt use reduces serious crash-related injuries and deaths by about half, and seat belt laws and enforcement strategies have been proven to increase seat belt use.“

www.transportation.gov/.../seat-belt-laws

There’s a reason it’s a law and also not your “personal freedom” not to wear a seatbelt.

[joeldalton]

Again. Do you need me to wear a seatbelt for yours to work? Yes or no?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
www.google.com/.../story%3fid=117053&page=1

Apparently it actually can have an effect. If we’re in the same car and I’m wearing a seat belt and you’re not, and then we get into a serious accident, your unsecured body can hit me with such force that it will kill us both.

[joeldalton]

lmao. How's it going to be for you as a paramedic when 1/3 of the fire houses shut down after the NYC shot mandate kicks in for city workers? I hear the trash is already starting to pile up.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Why do you keep ignoring what I post? You are insufferably dense. This is EXACTLY what I keep mentioning. Stick with a topic for five seconds and actually engage with it instead of having the attention span and intellectual curiosity of a nematode.

The chance that mass firehouse closing will happen is non-existant. People thought the same thing with teachers in NYC and less than 1% refused to be vaccinated.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Also, I live in NYC and there’s as much or little trash as there’s been for the last 8 or so years I’ve been living here. We’re not an on fire dystopia.

[joeldalton]

I didn't ignore it. I gave it a 'lmao'. because it was such insufferable spin. We'll see what happens.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
How is it a spin? I literally posted a news article citing studies about wearing seatbelts protects others or not. Did you not open it?

[joeldalton]

I did, but it's just silliness. On the off chance someone hits you flying around the car you may be injured, isn't false information but it's not in the spirit what I asked. And you know it. You know full well that me wearing a seatbelt in a different car from you has no practical benefit to you. Just like you know that you wearing a mask while walking through a restaurant has no practical benefit for the safety of others. But you've bought this insane idea that you can bubble wrap the world to make people safe.

Oh, and these protests certainly don't look small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apRDrOwsaNE

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I’m guessing you don’t wear a seat belt then? I think that the seat belt issue is multifaceted in the same way the Covid issue is. And you want to oversimplify it to make it neatly fit in a narrative you’ve created.
You keep making assumptions about me that are flat out false. I’m not interested in bubble wrapping the world. The point of getting vaccinated is to not need to do all of the other bullshit anymore. I don’t know what’s difficult to understand about that. Or what in the world your actually apprehensive about.

NYC has a population of nearly 8 and a half million and is the largest city in the U. S. by a landslide.
What looks like a big protest isn’t actually proportional to the local population.

[joeldalton]

You're vaccinated still doing the other bullshit! Holy fuck.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Also, there are protests of all sorts outside the mayor’s mansion all the time. Parades and protests are part of NYC and have been for at least a hundred years. Some just get more attention than others.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You mean going to restaurants, dancing, parties, and then also being respectful when someone wants me to wear a mask near them?

Yeah. Because I’m not a dick.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton

Why is putting on a mask so angering for you? Do you complain about “no shirt, no shoes, no service”?

[joeldalton]

you're forced to wear a mask indoors. You even stuck a q-tip up your nose to go to a party, lol. And you're gaslighted enough to tell me that's normal.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton We’re not forced to wear masks indoors. Anywhere that requires a vaccine, you no longer need to wear a mask.
This was the first social event I’ve been to that required both a vaccine and test, which was free and easy.

Why does this bother you so much?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Of course it’s not normal though. The whole pandemic isn’t normal. Where have you been the last two years?

[joeldalton]

You just said you got the shot to end the bullshit then agree that you're still doing the bullshit.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Because Covid isn’t over. Which seems really obvious when a bunch of people won’t get vaccinated and end up getting it.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
I’ve never crashed my car while driving. Why should I wear a seatbelt?

[joeldalton]

So you are admitting you're not doing normal things despite telling me that was the point of the vaccine, right?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton …What? It’s as normal as it gets during a worldwide pandemic. I really don’t understand your logic.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Did someone hurt you?

[joeldalton]

You get pissy when you’re caught in your BS. At what point, in your opinion, is it “over”?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
The deep set irony is palpable. It’s amazing how you’ve done zero reflection. Impressive, really.

[joeldalton]

So you can’t answer when it’s over.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton 🙄
When the morons get vaccinated so that we can get herd immunity and protect the vulnerable as much as possible, like with other other pandemic since vaccines were invented. It’s not the first time the world has gone through this. There is precedent multiple times over.
People like yourself are the only reason it’s being dragged out so long. You are literally making ghe pandemic continue.

[joeldalton]

How do you think you’ll get herd immunity with the shots only being 39% effective at keeping you from getting covid?

Do you even have a guess at what percentage of the country even has covid right now?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You know the longer people don’t get the vaccine, the faster Covid evolves and continues killing people. People like you are the problem.

[joeldalton]

Still waiting. What percentage of the country has covid right now?

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton No idea. But apparently the 7-day average for new confirmed cases every day is 77,000. I don’t know if we currently have a way to tell exactly how many people have it at a given time.

I don’t understand why that’s relevant.

This conversation is insufferable, by the way.

[joeldalton]

So let’s go with that. And just for grins, let’s say the average time someone is sick is 7 days. Some are longer, of course. And some are sick only a day or two. So multiplying 77,000 * 7 = 539,000. Divided by the population gives you.0016. .16% of the population has covid. This is what you’re losing your mind over.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton You realize we’ve been addressing it for almost two years? That’s why I’m going out and enjoying my life. I’m at a bar right now, in fact.

[joeldalton]

So it’s over, we can lift all restrictions and mandates. Glad you agre.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton Not what I said. But we would be able to if people like you actually got vaccinated!! That’s why NYC is open. Because of vaccine mandates that actually work.
You’re being intentionally obtuse.

[joeldalton]

Really? Because my state is even more open and has been for a lot longer than NYC. No mandates at all. You’re bragging about being able to go to a bar, finally.

It’s clear the infection rates are not worth worrying about any more. You just like playing pandemic. It makes you feel like you’re part of a club.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
God, you’re insufferable. Both because you’re unreasonably hard headed and because you’re extremely cocky.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. You’re the one bragging that you get the privilege of going to a bar. Yay, you’re free.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton I get the privilege of going to the bar while also not hurting other people.

[joeldalton]

You don’t know that. CDC flat out said that people who took the shots can spread covid just as easily as those without.

When you think you have privileges from government, no wonder they’re taken away so easily from you.

[okeydoke]

@joeldalton
😑🙄

[rcljr]

He’s a political hack and a useless flip flopping piece of shit.

[Snakeyes7]

[crmoore]

A but negative but not as negative as some people. Possibly more negative if I ever get around to reading this whole dog testing thing.

[crmoore]

A bit*

[Browneye57]

He should be in prison for crimes against humanity.

[genericname85]

he's a corrupt asshole like pretty much 90% of everyone that is in the political arena.

[Lunatic1]

Absolutely negative. He is a joke and a domestic terrorist responsible for a biological attack.

[joeldalton]

I'm past "negative" and into "he should be hung in the center of the mall in Washington DC"

[goaded]

Right wing media has succeeded, it seems. "He eats puppies alive!" "That liar! He told me I didn't need an umbrella last month when it wasn't raining, and today I got wet!"

[Anonymous]

Mostly positive, I believe Fauci a hell of a lot more than the broadcast bull shit blow hards like Sean Hannity or science denier bull shitters like Trump.

[rcljr]

I knew there would be one retard on here dumb enough to believe that lying sack of shit… guess what? IT’S YOU !

[Lliam]

I love sadistic, mass murdering psychopaths. (sarcasm)
I want to see him hang. (serious)

[EnglishEuropean]

I respect him as a man of science who doesn't bow to the whims of politicians.

[exitseven]

Fauci is a faker. He has no credibility with me.

[Massageman]

On a 1-10 scale, about -5.

[bolverk]

He has swung with the political wind.

[Still-alive]

slightly negative for real bad optics.

[IronsKev]

Negative he's a evil cunt

[BeenThereLovedIt]

The misinformation is strong in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Very negative. He got caught lying.

[Opinion Owner]

Dude morphs into a troll more and more.

[Juxtapose]

HANG HIM!

[Exterminatore]

Retarded.

[JesseJayNeak]

Very negative

[WhiteBoyChill]

He is a evil man

[Anonymous]

he's a murderer

[Iron_Man]

Maybe it’s Neutral

[SmokinAces2000]

Neutral

[Sabretooth]

been right, so far.

[f_ckjoebiden]

LOLZ.