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Why do people keep trying to normalize abortion like it’s not murder? (Page 3)
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I think the most focus should be on the removal of potential suffering. Because if a kid is raised in a dysfunctional home, they'll likely have more suffering than a kid who was raised in a stable home. And for what? For love? Or because life is sacred, therefore you should be alive? Even if it means you'll be in a severely disadvantaged position? That's silly.
In all honesty, you NEVER know until you’re put into that situation. If a drunk driver causes an accident that results in the death of an unborn baby, I feel that’s homicide. But, in my opinion, when it’s the choice of the individual whose whole life could be negatively impacted or ruined because of a pregnancy, who am I to judge? Bottom line, it’s their body and their choice. Whatever the circumstances, it’s NONE of our business.
Listen, would I do it electively? No. But I like to mind my own business because what anyone else does with their body has nothing to do with me. Also, I had to have an abortion last November when my baby lost her heart beat in my second trimester so not all abortions are elective or "murder."
Is killing u bug murder... yes actually right, you're taking a life. You value human life more. It's clearly not the right thing to do. The question really is. Should we be permitted to do the wrong thing from time to time. Is there ever a time where that is acceptable.
Unfortunately, people's opinions differ on the matter, do they push for it's normalization.
Here in the U. S., we like-minded people aren't enough to change the laws to include it as murder, even when it clearly is. But rejoice, abortion-rates are dropping to record-lows here in the Union.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49731167
This is a topic with many opinions, some radical, some more understanding. I'm not sure there is a right or wrong.
One thing I can say though. If the fetus is what's really important, why is it okay to abort in the case of rape or incest. Isn't that hypocritical?
She shouldn't be allowed to have children, she isn't having children. The problem with outlawing abortion isn't that they won't happen. They will. The problem is that they will be unsafe. A back alley or coat hanger abortion can kill the woman. Legal abortions ensure that the woman survives.
It's just another way for these women to feel good about their murders.
It's a way to dehumanize people in general and a political tool for social conditioning. History repeats itself. They dehumanized black people in America for a long time and in nazi Germany with the Jewish and Polish people.
There needs to be a consensus on how far along a fetus is before it begins to feel pain and display other functions of a living being. It is above my pay grade but I know it is more than 6 weeks but less than ten minutes before mother goes into labor. I also know it should not be decided by either Joe Biden or the Pope.
It's called lowering the bar. They figure if they can get society to accept their sins like it's normal then they don't have to fel judged as a murderous POS. Doesn't matter though there's only one judge who matters. And there will be a reckoning for them. So just pray for them. They need God's help.
because for it to be "murder", some people define that as "the killing of sentient life". there's any good arguments for or against that. i don't understand why this is so polarizing and why not more people are in between. makes me think people can't realy think anymore these days. it's mostly tribalism. like monkey. you want to join a group of people (that have a certain opinion) instead of really think and understand.
Also abortions were always a thing. Not just recently. But people would use dangerous, brutal methods and not clean sanitary medical methods... So guess the latter is still way better.
Because by extension, every time a man masturbates you murder 100s of potential children by not getting women pregnant. So any day a non-pregnant woman doesn't have sex with a man, she's murdering potential children. If that sounds ridiculous to you, that just means you set the boundary of life to a different point, to after the egg and sperm mix. And others set it to when it has a brain, when it looks like a baby, etc.
Why do people disagree with you? Because they set a different boundary.
"It’s imperative that women"
Why only for women, why they can kill and men cannot? Why you are not fighting for male serial killers or rapists? Isn't that imperative that they should feel free to kill and rape as well? What about thieves? What is the difference? This is nonsense.
wrong thread
Because it is literally not murder. By that approach, every injection is murder, as you kill some cells on the way.
Hell, using an antiseptic is holocaust amongst bacteria.
An appendix surgery? Hell nah, it's an entire organ... do you see the flaw in your argument?
I count murder from the point that the fetus has a functioning nervous system, that might have the spark of consciousness.
By the way, a person who had 3 abortions should not be allowed to have sex. My argument goes for the first one - what might be an accident. Or a result of rape.
Because it isn't. If you really like to call it an excuse to say it's just a clump of cells, or a matter of fact a fetus, you know I can easily argue saying I'm sick with pro lifes making an excuse saying it's a human being there for it should have human rights or you're a murderer or anything like that. Or in short, making excuses to call someone a murderer to satisfy your own little sense of "justice"
Regardless of what your emotions on the topic may be, murder is a legal term. Since abortion is legally allowed, it does not meet the definition of murder.
Your feelings are just not considered when making legal definitions.
You do know an act of murder CAN occur and it’s not guaranteed the person would get arrested every time? You really thought you did something huh
Are you referring to someone literally getting away with murder? Not get caught committing a crime doesn’t make the act any less criminal.
What exactly is the argument you think you’re making?
Tbh I dont get the whole idea that the none conciouse bundle of human cells is a sacred thing? How many animals have you eaten to sustain your life?
Yeah they may not be worth as much as a humans to you but what the thousands that you've eaten surely have more value than a single non conciouse or sentient ball of cells.
How come conservatives dont give a shit about kids once they’re born? Kinda odd huh?
No answer huh? Lol typical, how about you drop the act already, this isn't about preserving or saving life its about controlling people. You’re pathetic
They love bombing babies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547oPdN_rus
both sides seem care about lives... but, at different stages.
@Sabretooth conservatives don't give a shit about other peoples lives
I'd like to think that the voters did before Trump came along.
Because it's not murder, or a hell of a lot of women would be serving murder sentences. NORMALISE ABORTION
" or a hell of a lot of women would be serving murder sentences."
so because the LAW says is not murder we must accept is not murder ey? did you know back in the 1700s-1800s slavery was legal here in America; does this mean that those black folks who were enslaved deserve what they went through just because it wasn't considered wrong by the law at that time?
@CasaNorba Sorry, come back and argue about women's bodies when you have one, have a lovely day :)
what a nice way to change the subject. yeah because all you women make the babies all on your own like the goddess that you all are and deserve to be treated like snowflakes.
@CasaNorba I'm glad you agree, thank you so much!
your delusions have no limits if you think I'm agreeing with your cognitive dissonance
miss "abortion is not murder because the law says is not murder" but then changes to "you dont have the body of a woman" when you get called out on your flawed logic
@CasaNorba It's funny that you're not allowed to give your opinion because you're a MAN. Now watch the shit hit the fan as soon as the roles are reversed, you would be getting things like "incel", "sexist", "misogynist" and a bunch of other shaming tactics thrown your way. But for some reason, those same things don't apply to them (or her here in particular).
So they try to tape our mouths shut because we don't have a woman's body, but yet they expect us to agree with and sympathize with them. I swear these feminists are even more predictable than a bird getting a stone thrown at it.
@TruthBringer yeah and the fact that her original opinion was not gender biased nor was my response to her to begin with makes her sound even more like an assclown.
pigs are really gonna fly when we argue with a feminists that does not result to taping our mouths without turning their argument into a gender drama episode
@CasaNorba Did you expect anything better from a misandrist? I didn't.
@TruthBringer @CasaNorba Sorry, was busy having helping my friend with her abortion that SHE (a woman) chose to have herself (weird, I know). Also sorry I didn't read any of what you've said, I just cba today, however don't believe feminists are 'femenazis', some are really lovely. Me however I'm not a feminist, If it were men who were the ones to get pregnant & have abortions I'd advocate that aswell, just like most Americans advocate 'freedom of speech' and would probably shoot you if you tried to take that away from them - see my point. Do what you want with your own body and keep out of others businesses have a really great day guys!
@acooke-13 Lol the fact you think I mind a woman's business when it comes to what she does with her body clearly shows you haven't indeed read what I said. I didn't comment on that. Epic fail on your end right there hahha
@acooke-13 if you were so responsible with your bodies none of y’all would need abortions because you all would think twice before letting any loser out there shoot his semen in you all.
Till then still an epic failure since my original responds to you was not gender biased. You were the one who drifted this argument within this territory; talk about not being a feminist
@CasaNorba @truthbringerI mean, to be fair my friend didn't ask to be sexually assaulted so If y'all rapists would stop doing that, that would be great :)
'Epic failure' how old are you both? 12?
@acooke-13 the percentage of women who abort do to rape is barely 1% so once again EPIC FAILURE, and dont worry about my age worry about better things like improving your argument skills
@acooke-13 The fact you called us both rapists goes to show you're one of those DANGEROUS women out there who is willing to throw a false rape accusation.
"How old are you both? 12?" - Funny coming from a woman who cannot produce any valid arguments and resorts to personal attacks straight off the bat in order to divert away from having her views challenged. A hit dog hollers LMFAO
@TruthBringer @CasaNorba I didn't directly call you rapists, but if the shoe fits... I'm not providing any arguments because of my first comment, which you obviously can't understand or? Unless I'm getting confused and you're actually female, then I will provide my points?
I mean, it doesn't show anything really. Why would I need to improve my argument skills? You haven't seen me argue yet?
I'm honestly loving the bites here guys, please keep them coming!
@acooke-13 "didn't ask to be sexually assaulted so If y'all rapists would stop doing that"
"If y'all rapists". Which in normal English is 'If all of you'. Meaning you're literally calling us rapists. Otherwise you would say "if rapists woudl stop doing that". But since you brought the "y'all", you pretty much pointed to us since you replied to US. Funny how I should give you a lecture in your own language. And one that points out to the obvious. You can try to divert away from waht you said, but we all know that you try to label us as rapists that way. Don't try to beat around the bush now.
“if the shoe fits”
- No sweetheart, you don’t get to say this after forcing a false label on our forehead. That’s something someone who throws false accusations does. And so far, you’re proving to be just that person.
The point is, you didn’t engage his points, you immediately resorted to your blatant sexist remarks to why you would not engage his points after he provided counter arguments to your main statement. So not only are you falsely labeling men as “rapists”, you’re also being sexist towards men and not to forget you’re pro-abortion (which is not my issues). Tell us again how you’re not a modern feminist? If the shoe fits indeed... 😂😂
@TruthBringer My own language? Lol English is my second language, shouldn't you know that since you seem to know everything?
Saying he isn't a woman with a cervix isn't sexist, unless he is and in that case I am wrong, but so far he hasn't claimed to be so I'm right.
I can label you however I want, just like you are with me, without knowing me but hey ho!
With all that being said, just a reminder where I live abortions are legal and free, as they should be. Thank you, both, for the entertainment you have provided for me and my work colleagues, but as I said, until you have a big hairy vag, I won't argue my points. Have a great day and an even better weekend, sweetheart <3
Your profile says you're from England, so I assumed that's your primary language. Even then, you're living in an native-English speaking country and you still try to insult our intelligence when using terms that are pointers within the English language. Don't act stupid, we know what you did.
"Sorry, come back and argue about women's bodies when you have one, have a lovely day"
- This is sexist. The fact you tell him he has no voice in a matter that actually wouldn't have taken place without a man participating (which is usually how women get pregnant other than artificial insemination). So you've pretty much implied that just because he is a man, he isn't allowed to share his voice. Classic toxic femininity right there.
"I can label you however I want, just like you are with me, without knowing me but hey ho!"
- The major difference between you labeling us and me labeling you is that you're showing obvious signs of being that which I label you as. While you have NO idea whether we have ever sexually harrassed a woman, let alone RAPED her. Another fail on your end. Try harder. This is amusing
@acooke-13 Glad I provided some "enjoyment" for you and your work colleagues. Because apparently it's amusing for you to falsely accuse people for being rapists. Thanks for entertaining me as well and more importantly, make me appreciate my girlfriend even more for not having a twisted mentality like yours. 😂
@TruthBringer www.shutterstock.com/.../fish-biting-hook-24720685
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@CasaNorbaI @TruthBringer I have been following this argument and I agree with @acooke-13 on this. Not for the reasons she has provided, but you guys did seem to get triggered because she wouldn't answer your enormous paragraphs, so I can understand why she didn't want to read them because, fuck that. You guys also jumped down her neck because she factually told you that you don't have a cervix so she won't argue with you about something to do with the cervix, which I think is fair. It's kind of like if you let women decide if having the snip should be allowed or not, they don't have a penis so why should they get to make that decision. The assault/rapist thing was a bit unnecessary though.
@TruthBringer You might aswell follow me if you're still here. The other 300 odd seem to think I'm good at something :p
@delagarza Amen to that. Thank you. It probably was unnecessary, however if they want to label me as a toxic feminist because I said they don't have vaginas, then I'll label them whatever I want, hoping I don't kick their fragile masculinity down even more.
@delagarza I very much understand you point. However, saying someone cannot have an opinion because they happen to be of a certain sex when this whole abortion topic has a moral base as well as can have impact on the FATHER, JUST BECAUSE you have a cervix and we don't is not only sexist but an obvious diversion from having your views challenged.
If I happen to tell you that menstruation pain is not a big deal, then that would give you every right to tell me not to talk about it since it doesn't concern me and neither do I have an experience with it.
However, this is a societal topic as I have mentioned and just by telling someone they are of a certain sex that they have no right to speak or won't be spoken to is sexism at it's core.
Actually, when it comes to the snip, women DO often have a say in the matter because it involves them as well both directly and indirectly. Sadly, that's a bad example from your end there.
@acooke-13 The only reason why you're being called a toxic feminist is because you exactly sound like one. However, we don't sound like rapists and neither do you know if we ever raped someone. But of course, that piece of common sense went straight over your head. If we are going to throw false accusations without any bases, then I might as well call you a pedophile.
@TruthBringer Call me what you want, you're a stranger I absolutely do not care what you think of me what so ever, which is why I've barely defended myself. I just like to have abit of fun.
@TruthBringer The difference is, men can walk away. I could have sex with you, get pregnant, tell you, and you could literally never see or speak to me again - whereas I have to grow a baby, give birth, clothe, feed & look after that baby until it is at least 16. That is why I agree with a-cooke on this one.
Not that I can see, did a-cooke or I say you couldn't speak about it, she just wouldn't argue with you about it - which is completely valid, she can argue with whom she chooses, as can you, but if she said she wasn't going to argue about that I don't understand why you both didn't just take that and move on to someone else who would openly answer your questions?
Well I don't believe women should have a say with what happens to men's bodies, unless they are completely unable to answer/decide for themselves and a next of kin (usually a woman.. wife/girlfriend etc) has to decide, then they shouldn't.
@delagarza That's a bold statement to make. Men get TRAPPED with babies. A man cannot just walk away. Maybe from the relationship, yes. But a shit ton of men have been trapped with childsupport. So no, it's not easy for men to walk away. And neither do I think they should.
Cookie is very free to argue or not to argue with whomever. It is her premise to why she wouldn't that is very sexist. Especially since she is notorious for calling out "toxic masculinity", "fragile male ego" and all other toxic feminist nonesense that is used to patronize men. The fact she called Casa and me rapists without any clue for her to believe we are pretty much sums up what kind of a person she is. So on one hand she plays Miss morality by calling out certain behaviors, yet she herself acts on those very same behaviors. And I know this person because it's not the first time myself and many others called her out on her hypocrisy. Bringing in someone's sex to not want to argue is a coward's way out of their views being challenged.
When it comes to women having a say, if a girlfriend or a wife should have some say or should be able to express her opinion to what a man wants to do with his body (which I highly agree they should), why shouldn't a man express his opinions and concern either, especially if it is HIS seed? See? It goes both ways
" I'm not providing any arguments because of my first comment, which you obviously can't understand or? Unless I'm getting confused and you're actually female, then I will provide my points?"
yeah you are extremely confused and lack common sense and intelligence if you can't tell that your first comment was irrelevant to my response to your first opinion. case close I guess
@delagarza I just saw your first comment and realized that the reason why you're agreeing with @acooke-13 is because obviously your mind is just as deluted as hers.
"but you guys did seem to get triggered because she wouldn't answer your enormous paragraphs, so I can understand why she didn't want to read them because, fuck that."
first off this site is not only to ask/answer questions but its also a site for people to express their views and opinions. second of all the people who use this site are grown folks, not no elementary school children; therefore a paragraph or two shouldn't be too much. so if you too lazy to read a few paragraph then you dont belong here.
". You guys also jumped down her neck because she factually told you that you don't have a cervix so she won't argue with you about something to do with the cervix, which I think is fair"
Nope! that is not actually not fair at all. if you read her opinion from the start her original logic was that abortion cannot be a crime because the LAW SAYS IS NOT therefore I replied to her with a similar scenario which was slavery. in case you dont it was legal here in America to own slaves in the 1700s till late 1800s but does that mean that slavery is right and the people who were slaves did not deserve any rights or at least some sympathy just because the law said slavery was ok back then? (cont)
and from there on she changes the subject, makes the argument gender biased by telling me that "you don't have a cervix so she won't argue with you about something to do with the cervix" horse shit in order to avoid admitting that she's wrong after I called her out on her illogical views.
"It's kind of like if you let women decide if having the snip should be allowed or not, they don't have a penis so why should they get to make that decision."
again this was not a gender biased argument she directed this way because she obviously lacks argument skills and has to turn an argument towards another direction to avoid admitting she's wrong. also ABORTIONS and SNIPS are not the same because when a man gets a snip he doing it 100% to himself, he is not the life of an innocent child. also you women do not create the child all on your own therefore you definitely do not have 100% authority on that.
@TruthBringer Notorious for calling toxic and fragile masculinity? She literally said it once :') Are you ok? Also for some reason the 'continue reading' button won't work so I can only see up to "nonsense that is used to".. sorry for that
@CasaNorba Like my previous comment to the other lad, I can't click continue reading for some reason, so can't actually read all of your comment.
From what I can read, yes this site is to ask/answer questions and express opinions or whatever, but she literally shot you down, why you didn't take the hint she wasn't going to answer any of your questions and just stop commenting is absolutely beyond me. You are the causation of this pointless argument.
@delagarza Try to refresh the page and see if the button works, because I was clear about her bringing up these terms on other posts. You've only seen this one.
@delagarza ", but she literally shot you down, why you didn't take the hint she wasn't going to answer any of your questions and just stop commenting is absolutely beyond me."
because she "shot" me down in a cowardly and sexist manner so I decided to call her out on it. I'm pretty sure that if I shot her down the way she did I would be doomed as the most sexist misogynists in this site
@CasaNorba Well said. By the way, I've realized why we were called rapists. I forgot that rape is a notorious sex fantasy of feminists. So nexy to throwing the buzzterm "misogynist" around to pretty much anyone who dares to speak against them, they are fond to call them rapists too. Another thing this girl proves to be a feminist about and yet she is desperately trying to claim she isn't LMFAO
@TruthBringer indeed! feminists are one of the reasons why everyone has the right to believe that humanity is over. first they think that all sex is rape and now all of the sudden they think abortions are just "medical procedures" like wtf? yet more reason to have an existential crisis
@CasaNorba @TruthBringer There is certainly something wrong with both of your heads, I'd suggest trying a therapist or something to talk through your problems, they're really helpful!
Also, second one down :) www.urbandictionary.com/define.php
@acooke-13 I love how they're still going. I gave up a while ago when I realised they were just another set of boys who believe they should have a say in what women do and are mad that they don't. Hope your friend is ok from her abortion :) x
@delagarza I know but it's been giving me and the girls at work something to laugh at with how stressy works been recently. Just make's me proud of where I'm from and the fact we had men like David Steel who made abortion legal in the 60s <3 what a guy <3 thanks, she's doing okay!!
@acooke-13 "There is certainly something wrong with both of your heads" - Says the girl who calls anyone a rapist. I think you should take your own advise since it must suck living in this much fear that every dude in the street is out there to rape you 😂😂
@CasaNorba Gotta love how they appeal to ridicule when they expose themselves to actually very much are triggered by what we say. So much that one feels the need to share our thoughts with others. Got to love these snowflakes 😂
@CasaNorba I've realized @delagarza I've real is a duplicate account who goes off the website for a long period of time only to come back and save @acooke-13's arse.
@acooke-13 Hahahah you tell us to go to a therapist while you're clearly using burner accounts to come and stick up for you, eh? Sad sad creature 😂😂.
Why am i not surprised @TruthBringer😂😂😂
@acooke-13 I thought you were done here, what’s a matter did you felt inadequate under your burner account? Till then only a professional can decide whether we need therapy or not. Not like your head is any better
@acooke-13 News have reached me that your little burner account called @delagarza got deactivated. Awh poor child. Guess it's time for you to make another one now.
@TruthBringer Wow, I go on holiday and come back to these pathetic accusations, it may have been a troll but it wasn't me. I don't need back up like you do lol.
@acooke-13 I never used a backup love. And that burner account suspiciously comes to your 'rescue' between the long intervals (which are similar to yours). So yeah it's obvious that G@G staff recognized it as a burner account and so far the signs point to you.