Why do people keep trying to normalize abortion like it’s not murder?

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Sick of hearing the excuse, “it’s just a clump of cells”, if it was just a clump of cells you wouldn’t have to worry about it growing up and calling you mom.
if a woman has like 3 abortions, call it for what it is, she’s a serial killer and she shouldn’t be allowed to have children.
by the way I’m liberal, but all the shit they keep trying to push lately on society is pissing me off

globetrotter22 · Accepted Answer

I personally think both sides are missing the entire point on all of this. Can’t be abstinent until marriage? Fine. I won’t judge you because if I did I would be a hypocrite.

But over my entire life I have always been VERY careful to use protection. Before sex I ask if the girl is on birth control. If she is I still use a condom. If she isn’t then I’m extra careful that I roll the condom on right. Even when I cum I pull out a bit to prevent “swimmers”. On three different occasions I’ve broken a condom (I’m above average size) on three different women. But I actually bought two women plan B. The third one got it herself. We ended up dating for a year.

Now why am I giving all those details? Because although I was sexually active I am a fucking responsible adult. Yes I know unprotected sex feels great. But I only do that after I’ve known a girl for a while and I trust she’s on the pill, IUD or something else.

Society needs to do a better job and training people at doing everything to make white not meeting red (unwanted). We need to work on contraceptive development to make birth control 100% effective. We are close but not all the way there. And yes I favor tax sponsored birth control funding for low income communities all the way up to plan B.

But abortion is NOT birth control. The game changes when the egg is fertilized. That is a separate human being with its own DNA. And all the people saying “it’s a clump of cells” or “it’s the woman’s body”. Fuck you. For real fuck you and your mental gymnastics. Thats a separate human life now. I’ll make rare exceptions for rape, incest or if pre natal testing determined there is something seriously wrong with the baby. But those make up only tiny fraction of unwanted pregnancies.

I just wonder that what happens to these women the day they pass away and meet the soul of their aborted child in the afterlife. What would they say to them? I do believe in God’s grace. I do believe these women can be forgiven. That’s the power of Christian redemption. But still what would you say to your child you decided to abort?

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

A lot of things are " normalized" these days. We're in a perverse society. People act like having the technology we have today makes us more advanced. Not the case at all. We're still in a backwards society where everything is allowed. No more responsibilities. No more consequences.

All the pro-abortionist arguments exist to help them feel better about the acts they're committing and the beliefs they have.

1. "Just a clump of cells" removes the humanity of the baby. If they understood the humanity they wouldn't agree to abortion. When a baby is wanted, women throw gender reveal parties, they have baby showers, et cetera but the moment the baby isn't wanted, they revert to the argument that it's "just a clump of cells". That's not how things work when it comes to life.

2. "Can't live on its own" allows them to believe that they're not really committing an awful act because they think the baby is dead anyway.

3. "My body my choice" doesn't apply to abortion. Not your body. Separate chromosomes. But they use this argument because they want to have an excuse to remove the baby within them.

4. "What if they're disabled?" is an argument made as if those with struggles, disabilities, deformities et cetera are less valued than others, are less worthy of life than others. Some of the best people I've ever met have Downs Syndrome. They're a million times worthy of their lives than pro-abortionists who think they're holier than thou.

5. "Can't live outside the womb" helps them, once again, remove responsibility. Yet, there are many people dependent on machines to stay alive. What is their worth?

btbc92 · Accepted Answer

Some people do it because premarital sex is rampant. This is another reason why God had said that sex belongs between a married couple, a man and a woman, male and female. That you shouldn't be murdering anyone or even sacrificing your children to other's gods. It's is abominable to him. Why? Because 1, obvious reasons, it is flat out evil to do such things. And any human being of him that has humanity would understand that it is wrong. Human beings naturally know it is wrong. 2. Another is a human being and of your flesh. Having to do such a thing is a crime and it's hurtful. Parents are supposed to protect their children, not want to see harm done nor should harm them at all.

But since many now think premarital sex is okay or even taking the things of God for granted, people make these mistakes that are often preventable. At the same time, men have brought this upon themselves and have taken women for granted also. Family as well as their own children. Many don't want marriage, a good amount don't know how to keep it, and when they have a good woman, they don't respect her. The same can be said for women nowadays. But either way, everybody who does this mostly is basically lost. And the cycle just continues. It is all part of the world's systems programming.

To desire children isn't an issue.
To desire sex isn't an issue.
To not want children isn't an issue.
To not want sex isn't an ISSUE.
What IS the ISSUE is what one decides to DO with those choices, and whether or not it is a good choice for that person.

Alyssa11 · Accepted Answer

I have really mixed emotions of abortions and I’ll tell you why.

1. Religion
I’m a Muslim and my religion tells me that we shouldn’t have abortions because it’s basically murder UNLESS the pregnancy puts the woman’s health at risk. And that’s where I go to first when I make a decision, my religion.

2. Being human
As a human I don’t think it can ever be in me to have an abortion. No matter what circumstances I go through I could never willingly kill another soul let alone my own baby. I don’t care if it’s a bunch of cells developing - it’s a human life and it’s made out of me. I can’t do it. No way. No sir.

3. Woman and pressure
Here’s when the other side of the story comes in. I am very appreciate that everyone is different and also we all go through very different emotions and feelings. Some women are just not in the right place to have a baby and to that I say please don’t burden a child with a rubbish life if that’s all you can offer. You can’t pour from an empty cup and children are very responsive to their mothers.

I can’t judge another woman for making decisions based on her welfare. Because I appreciate that we all have triggers to an extent.

MzAsh · Answer

I don’t care what you call it. Women are the authority over their own pregnancy and they decide what goes.

doopayo · Answer

Because it isn’t murder. If it was murder than imagine how fucked and ridiculous it’d be if doctors went to jail just for preforming a medical procedure?

It’s unheard of, either way there’s no conclusive evidence on weighed life begins at conception or first breath, etc so it’s stupid for people to parrot they know life begins at conception because scientists and doctors that specialize and this film have yet to come to a conclusive explanation yet on that question.

There’s also no such thing as normalizing abortion. That entails abortion isn’t normal which doesn’t make any sense since abortion has existed for several centuries , abortion has existed ever since pregnancy existed.

The earliest recorded abortion is 4,000 years old. Abortion was usually carried out by the midwives and or care takers. Abortions can be tracked all the way down to 3,000 BC.

Abortion isn’t murder, you’re just regurgitating fear tactics that play off of emotions rather than making any logical arguments. Do better

spookywashere · Answer

I don't see it as murder because I don't believe a fetus to be alive. Or at the very least, an independent life form. So in my mind you can't really take away life, from something that isn't even alive yet. It is still apart of the mother, it is dependent on using the women's life force to keep it alive. (that in itself should be enough to let a woman chose if she wants the fetus in her or not)
Of course it all comes down to morality.
And to that I say...
If you have never been through an abortion personally... if you have never had a fetus removed from your body then you don't get a say in abortion rights. Yeah you can have an opinion, but unless your a woman who has been through something traumatic like that, you keep that opinon to yourself.
Who tf are we to decide what these women should do with their bodies? We don't know what it's like?

And also to me personally, when it comes down to my own morals. I think it is CRUEL to take away a women's rights to her own god damn body. I really can't believe that abortion is even as big of an issue as it is. How hard is it to let people make descions over their own body? Men should not have a say, women who have not been through the process of abortion should not have a say.
That's my take on it. I don't give a shit if people think abortion is or isn't murder, that's so irrelavent to the real issue here. And you focusing on something so fucking stupid just proves my point. y'all are over here arguing about abortion being murder when there are women sitting alone, waiting to go through something so trauamtic.
Cmon...

Anonymous · Answer

I would murder anyone if they use my organ against my will then except i allow it by this logic. I dont understand why a fetus should have more rights than an adult human being. I dont have a right to use anyone's organ against its will. So why can a fetus have this right? Anyway it is not murder, since it is not even alive.
Furthermore, i only respect vegan "pro lifers" If you are a pro life then dont murder animals to eat just because it is delicious. This is why i make a difference between pro lifers and anti abortion people. Majority of you are hypocritical anti abortion freaks. Do you really want to lock up these women although prisons are full and many pedos and rapists are outside? If you all really care about kids, then you would adopt them. Unhealthy, disabled, "too old" kids etc dont get adopted. Healthy cute toddlers and babys get adopted and so other kids ain't worthy for adoption according to statistics. How sad is that🤔😔? I am done of people who act like they care about kids but their actions show the opposite. By the way forcing women to give birth will cause unhealthy kids since stress during pregnancy and other things like drugs/alcohol that are taken by the mother to overcome this situation affect the fetus in very bad way. As i said none of you piece of shits adopt these "unhealthy" kids. So it is extremely sadistic to me to make these kids go trough this since you all dont give a f about them after they are born. According to statistics kids without parents or with toxic families end up being criminals. You just create broken humans with shitty lifes for your sadistic hypocritical beliefs and idealogy.

Note: i will never abort. So i have nothing to loose under antiabortion laws

Anonymous · Answer

Do you believe in "souls"? If so, do you think the male and female chromosomes each carry "half a soul" and it unites on conception? No, they don't. But no one ever asks this question, do they? You immediately refer to it as murder. Well, you're not murdering anyone if there's no SOUL attached to the embryo yet, are you?

So, when DOES the soul get "assigned" to the embryo? Hmmm. Perhaps not until it's determined that the embryo is more viable? That's possible, isn't it? I can tell you this much - it's not attached at 6 weeks, or any time in the first tri-mester. No, I can't prove that to you, so you won't believe me anyway. Let's just say it's "esoteric knowledge" that I learned from a very advanced soul.

What you're doing when you abort is something else entirely, and that's between the people doing it and the Creator, but it's not murder. You're interfering with Karma, and that means you have to pay a price, just like every other action you take.

All of that said, I don't think abortion is a good thing, but I think it might be a better thing than an unwanted child who might end up in foster care and likely have a fucked up life.

Gaabby · Answer

No one even does abortions if the woman is too far into her pregnancy because then it’s actually considered a person. Doing it earlier on isn’t murder because the unborn child hasn’t even developed yet. It’s so easy for someone who had no problem bringing a child into the world because they knew/know they are set and prepared to take care of a child or maybe they just like children in general so they’re totally against abortion for that or those reasons but who are you to judge someone because someone chose to not birth a child for their own personal reasons? And call them something they’re not when it’s actual serial killers walking around and never had a abortion in their entire life and can’t because some serial killers are men. No one just gets abortions just because, it’s always a purpose/reason behind it. Sure you can easily say “Well don’t have sex. Don’t have unprotected sex if you don’t want kids.” Blah blah blah naturally so sex happens. You can’t stop it and most times it happens in the moment and you don’t think clearly because lust takes over your entire body including your mind and things happen from there, and if what occurs from is something you’re not prepared for, by all means do what you have to do. You can make of that last part how you choose to.

Kaneki05 · Answer

It's not murder, Murder by definition is unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse.

Abortion has both of these things therefore we have decided in many courts around the world that it is not murder.
Meanwhile a lot don't because "Justification and Valid excuse" are highly subjective.

But if your a supporter of democracy not fascism when it's voted one way more than the other, that's just how it is. Complain by all your free will to do so, vote ageist it. You are free to your opposite side.
But at the end of the day somethings are more you have to learn to just accept that's the way society is growing to be and think on a whole. You can still just reject the idea.

But no need to say un-factual things like it's murder, when the definition of murder clearly would define abortion as something else.

Ailito · Answer

Honestly I'm against abortion.
The only way it would be somewhat rational to me is it was a life or death choice between the mothers or the babies life due to complications.

But I also realize that it's not my body. So it's not my choice.

And I don't talk down to those women not make them feel bad for what they have done.

What they have done well stay with them, it's their choice. And once they make it, it's done. After that, it's only between them and the god they believe in.

**by the way I was almost an abortion baby. My mom changed her mind.

Mango-man · Answer

Agreed.
They act as if there was a magical moment when "it" stops being "mother's" property (people argumenting that is is their body and they can do whatever they want with it), and starts being "baby".
The baby still would die without mother even after the moment of birth. Even adults are "just bones covered by muscle and fat cells, which are covered by thin skin membrane.

The moment general public decides to have sex - you guys knew possible consequences of having sex (child, sexually transmitted infections,...) beforehand, so no take backs as you already made your free choice. You can't have freedom of choice without the responsibility for consequences.

Disclaimer: The abortion should be allowed to victims of involuntary sex (rape,...), because they, unlike general public, didn't have the "free choice about their body to have sex".

PenkWing · Answer

1) There is no debate about normalizing abortion. People will seek abortion because they need it. Because their life depend on it. Because they wouldn't be good parents, and they don't want to be. Abortion has been a practice for as long as pregnancy existed. It's way more common than murder, WAY more common. Women who get abortions don't feel bad about it, because they needed it. The debate is about *legalizing* safe access to abortion, so that the people who need it can get it in a safe way.

2) Abortion is not murder. Even if you don't accept that it's just a clump of cells, for whatever reason. No matter how you spin it, it's about the mother's body. If you had a real person getting in your womb, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as legitimate defense to kill them.

3) "she shouldn’t be allowed to have children", uh, that's what abortion is about?

SamA_nold · Answer

So you are anti women's-rights? You are okay with forcing a person to remain pregnant?

If it's so important that the fetus live, then let's take it out of the unwilling person and you can carry and raise it. You can pay all the fines and carry all the responsibility, since you are offering.

ChiPaPa · Answer

Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Abortion can be defined as the deliberate termination of a pregnancy by the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus. This topic that is not universally agreed on. It is determined by law that a fetus is in fact not a human being and so we can say that abortion is not murder. Can we really say that we would value the life of an unborn fetus over a living breathing human? Would you force a woman that is raped or medically unsound to not be able to get rid of the child? Even in cases of incest? Don't start with the whole adoption crap. Millions of children are left at the mercy of people to adopt without them ever doing anything for them. Left to be neglected. Why force such an existence.

TheorionMage · Answer

Technically it IS just a group of cells.
An EVOLVED means to EVENTUALLY produce another being.
TECHNICALLY CANCER is ALSO just a purposeful reproducing group of invasive cells...
the issue 'defaults' to IF... AT THIS TIME, this evolving group of cells is 'welcomed' by its Host.

Traditionally, humans have ALWAYS espoused the 'right' to excise UNWELCOMED parasitic
lifeforms and SINCE these evolving cells draw nourishment FROM their Host, to the detriment OF their Host... they ARE 'parasitic'. Ethically harsh perhaps, nevertheless pragmatically 'true'.

Abortion is the LEAST 'wise' means to excise an unwelcomed 'growth' but NO LESS 'unwise' than not responsibly employing a prophylactic to prevent infusion of a self-serving lifeform (like COVID)

But SOME, will stubbornly decry it IS 'their right' to NOT use preventative protection~

Hangry06 · Answer

"but a conglomeration of cells in the early phase of pregnancy can hardly be characterized as a human person. The human identity, personality, and worth is associated with the functioning of the brain, so only when the brain is fully developed can there be any talk about an unborn human being"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7476658/

I don't care for it. People can do whatever they want to their own bodies and thangs inside them

Celtero · Answer

Pretty simple. Low IQ people like abortion because then they have no consequence for being too stupid to use contraceptives properly.

They're too stupid and dishonest to see the cognitive dissonance in the fact that it's illegal to tamper with or destroy certain animal eggs, but not illegal to kill a fetus. Or how you can get an extra charge when you kill a pregnant woman's fetus... but not if you were just a doctor and she asked for it. So the reality? As a society, we've decided that it's alright to kill human fetuses because they can't fight back and nobody will miss them when they're gone. Doesn't matter if it's more immoral than killing 95% of adult humans, it's super easy and saves the wemons the trouble of having to go through all that pregnancy nonsense. We could be mass executing violent felons, homeless, the menally ill and disabled, but nope! Gotta kill all the unborn babies so women don't have to pay the price for getting creampied. Lazy cunts.

ChrisMaster69 · Answer

Because the decision was made by medical doctors, senior legal people, who looked at the ethics over a number of years.

eventually drafting a law on abortion.

i would hazard a guess this type of thing was mention in first 5 minutes and then they moved on to the other matters.

There are people on here who are anti abortion but also homophobic and have said they would disown their child if came out Gay or Lesbian. Some have even mentioned shooting them.

That’s a great life for a child, yes they were born, however they now live in fear of their homophobic parents and when they eventually come out, get disowned, abused, kicked out of the house.

shaysh87 · Answer

DO YOU THINK THE CHILD WILL LEAD A GOOD LIFE IF IT IS BORN OUT OF A MOTHER THAT HATES IT , DOESN'T WANT IT, SEES IT AS A BURDEN?

100 YEARS AGO, ORPHANS WEREN'T ADOPTED INTO LOVING FAMILIES! ORPHANS WERE FREQUENTLY ADOPTED BY FAIMLIES THAT NEEDED AN EXTRA MAID OR SERVANT. THESE POOR ORPHAN KIDS WERE TRADED THEIR SERVANT DUTIES FOR A MEAL.

SURE, YOU CAN ARGUE THAT WE CAN RANDOMLY HAND OUT INNOCENT VULNERABLE CHILDREN TO ANY PARENT WILLING TO ADOPT. HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW IF THESE VULNERABLE KIDS WILL BE TREATED WELL? WHY DO YOU THINK ADOPTION AGENCIES ARE SO PICKY ON WHO THEY HAND OUT THEIR KIDS TO?

IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE WITHOUT BRAINS. YOU'RE NOT DOING THE UNBORN BABY ANY FAVORS BY LETTING IT OUT INTO THE WORLD.

ohshee · Answer

We Are One cell. And each day it doubles next day we are 3 cells. Then next day 6 calls 12 calls 24 calls 48cells 96cells in one week in 7 days then 192 cells 384 cells and they are not 1 type of cell it is estimated over 30 trillion sells are in the human body that's from. Human cells. Brain cells. Bacterial cells. Blood cells that one cell equals 30 trillion
30.000.000.000.000
I am 100% pro-life I am 100% pro-choice if a lady if a woman if a girl has been raped has made the decision to give up her child cuz whatever might have happened I will stand in front of her and I back her play. And if I have to pay for it in the long run I will do so it is her choice only her choice if a rapist forced her out of r a p e I will fight for her and make sure nobody else first is her to do what she wants to do that's her choice and I am pro-life right is right wrong is wrong it's her choice

lightbulb27 · Answer

they want to distance emotionally from the reality, so they use words to make it not so. like waiving a magic wand. They don't want interference with their ability to manage their lives.
Reality is... life starts at conception... end of story. That is a life.
Reality is... if mom, or some mom and dad, aren't' there for that infant, it stands no chance in life.
The problem is emotional damage... and that is where the solution is. Avoid emotional damage, do things the right way, heal the inner children/hearts, build families on a foundation of good values, and build little children into well trained adults.

The rest of it is a waste of time arguing...
Yes if a woman has abortions, they should be required to go through therapy to figure out what is going wrong... and so should the guy.

TsundereMatrix · Answer

Seems like for most people here is you either all for it or not at all. For me it depends on the situation. For woman who got herself in that situation because of bad choices, I don’t agree with abortion in that matter. There’s a lot of families out there that can’t have child and they would love to adopt. That’s what my friend did when she became pregnant after her rape. She found a nice family that wanted to adopt her baby. She said even though that bad thing happened to her, she got a beautiful baby out of it and she wouldn’t change it if she could.

On the other hand, if the child will be born with severe birth defects or abnormalities and won’t live a good life then I see it as acceptable.

Why do people keep trying to normalize abortion like it’s not murder?

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