Oh this will be so much fun!!!1) scientific theories are facts, with a consensus 2) see #1…and look up so called “Darwin fish fossil”3) cars don’t kill people. Should we stop licensing people?4) no one remotely says this.5) hard to prove either way…but I believe someone when they tell their truth6) fetus doesn’t matter, it’s bodily autonomy. Like the govt can’t demand you donate blood.7) can’t prove god either way. But absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Also false dichotomy: it’s not God or accident. The universe is the way it is because it is.Bible was made up by a group of people selling a religion to sheep. And there were no eye witnesses to Jesus.
1) The average over-night temperature in North America has risen 3f in the past 50 years, which is exactly what you'd expect if the theory of man-made global warming were exactly correct.2) It's been found. It's called "Tiktalik" Google it.3) agree4) agree5) they are not at all born that way.6) I hate abortion7) It's more complicated than that. The Book of Kings has a story in which the original Law of Moses was lost to time, and one of the Priests supposedly "Found" a copy of the Book of Deuteronomy in the Temple still after a 40-something years apostacy had happened. What's more likely the case is someone WROTE the Book of Deuteronomy at the beginning of King Josiah's reign. Some of the Prophets contradict one another, and the entire New Testament contradicts the Old Testament.I believe in God, but it's best not to trust the Bible. Just SEEK THE LORD for yourself.
Bible is loaded with witnesses that saw Jesus. Book after Book. You are a fool. People saw him die on cross (Roman records) and people saw him after he had risen from grave. He told them not to touch him yet , then later showed holes in arms to Thomas because he doubted anyone could die and comeback to life.
@Bidensucks2020 Fake news! Bible authors never saw Jesus. It was written 30-40 years after he died.
@Wade12345 I don't use Tictok. Temperatures rise so many years and then lower so many years. Has nothing to do with man. Most high temperature rates were in 1800's with hardly no world population , few factories, and no cars. So quit with your bull shit.
No sea levels just rise. And it’s tiktalik, like Wade said. Or do you not want to see the truth?
Nope Peter was with him in garden , cut Roman Guards ear off trying to take Jesus. Jesus picked it up and put it back on him. In the Bible. All the disciples saw him, talked to him, and walked with him. Read the bible next time before you flap your gums. You have never read the bible.
Says the authors…
If sea levels rise like you say California , Florida, and Maine would be under water. Keep having illusions
Rising 1” per year is small but still perilous,
False. The 1800's was still part of a time period called "The Little Ice Age" in which winters were so cold the Mississippi River regularly froze over all the way into Louisiana. The year 1816 was actually so cold it was called "The Year Without a Summer" and over 1 million Russians and God only knows how many Americans starved to death that year due to famine caused by the Tambora Volcano eruption. The Mississippi River has not frozen over again since the winters of 1912 and 1915, due to MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING.The animal's name is called "Tiktalik". I didn't say tictoc.
@Wade12345 you’re a smart theist, I’ll give you that.
You both will end up burning in hell
By the way, I'm independent. I can't stand either political party.
@Wade12345 I think this is a troll. There’s a make bidensucks too. But still it’s fun to debate.
I could swear I saw the tooth fairy and write a 2000 page book with eye-witnesses, but it wouldn't make the tooth fairy real.
@Wade12345 like if they found a Spider-Man comic 1000 years from now and had proof NY existed, doesn’t mean spider man was real.
Look, human evolution is real. I believe in The True Creator God, but his method of creation of life on this planet is in fact Evolution, not "Magic pixie dust". Google "Lucy" and "Eve". One of those fossils is around 2.5 million years old, and the other is around 3.7 million years old, IIRC. One of them has a loincloth and a wooden spear with a stone tip. It is an adult human being woman, and its only about 3 feet tall.I saw a lecture by a Catholic biologist, and he was like, "I'm a Roman Catholic and I believe in God, and the evidence I just presented to you is so solid that the only way human evolution could not be true is if God himself was deceiving the scientists." Which of course he doesn't believe God is deceiving the scientists. Satan did not make the fossil record. Everything that exists was Created by God, not the devil.
@Wade12345 I think I saw you with Odd Ball in your mouth
Global Average Sea level rises about 2.5 inches per decade presently, and the rate of rise is accelerating rapidly. Sea level is projected to rise about 3 feet or so by the year 2100. Sea level has risen so much along the Florida Coast that King Tides are flooding streets that used to not get flooded. The way ocean currents work, the western Atlantic rises faster than most other Ocean basins in the world.
@OddBeMe A better way to approach this question is thinking about what aspect of people makes them republican. For most people it is one of two things: 1. Republicans distrust big government. Since they distrust big institutions put in place by the government, republicans are more likely to distrust federally instituted scientific establishments. Now does this mean that they distrust science itself? I doubt it. I think most people, republican or democrat agree on science regarding apolitical things like the science of gravity for example.2. Republicans are religious. The other thing outside of distrusting big government is that a section of republicans are Christian. A section (not all) of Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, meaning that they probably won't believe in man's evolution from primates, and might believe that the earth is younger than is recorded. So the fact that these people vote republican it means a larger number of people in that party who don't believe in certain scientific facts.But does this mean that republicans are dumb? No. In fact when comparing the IQ of both groups, republicans scored higher. Whether or not people believe in "the science" does not determine how true of false it is. It is also not true that science requires consensus. Before Copernicus there was a consensus around an earth-centric universe. A few years ago we had a scientific consensus that gayness was a mental illness and that smoking isn't bad. Science is about who has the better proof, not who has the most people supporting them.
Yeah but even though people may have seen Christ Christ still isn't the Creator maybe people seen them die on the cross but he still not the Creator and anything that anybody wrote has been perverted by all the people who copied it since you can only find God within I don't even want to say God because my creator wouldn't make me warship my Creator would want me to know right from wrong because that's inherent
@cutiepatootie26 they distrust big organizations…like churches?
@Seangreen Christ was God in man form
God is not a man. A man is a Created thing. God cannot die because he is not a biological life form. God is not a mechanical or dynamical system of lesser beings or lesser components. God does not have a physical body, because God created Physics. He cannot be a man, and he cannot become a man. He is The Creator. He is not a Creation.God is a Singular Being. He is not a Trinity of lesser beings either. He's not exactly a "Singularity" either, but you might think of Him as being the Ultimate White Hole of sorts if that helps you get the picture.
Yeah. Most republicans I have met do not attend churches run by the state. They trust private enterprises and most of them go to small, locally run churches and not megachurches.
@OddBeMe Yeah. Most republicans I have met do not attend churches run by the state. They mostly trust private enterprises and most of them go to small, locally run churches and not megachurches.
@Wade12345 Jesus Christ is both man and God. Before Christ was born, God has taken form of things which he creates. He has come in the form of flames in a burning bush. He has come in the form of a still small voice. He has come in the figure of a man who wrestled Israel. And therefore God can become man and it is fitting that he does so because man is not just a creation of God but a reflection of his creator... We are made in the image of God.
@cutiepatootie26 I don't believe in the Book of Genesis. It's been proven false from one cover to the other cover. Literally the only true statement in the Book of Genesis is the first sentence, "In the Beginning God..." The rest of the Book never happened. You can't put two of every animal on Earth on Noah's Ark, much less the needed 50-something of every animal needed to have a stable genetically diverse population. The story of Jacob and Esau is complete nonsense. Why would God bless Jacob for deceiving his father, but not bless Esau, who obeyed his father? Why would God cause a repentant Jacob to then walk with a limp? Elsewhere, your Bible authors state that God does not do evil, and "Every good and perfect Gift comes from the Father of Light..." So the rest of the Bible disagrees with Genesis.The Old Testament says four times "God is not a man" and in the Law of Moses, Moses was told by God that he was not allowed to see God's form. IN the prophets, when God appears as a humanoid, that is a metaphor. God is not a human nor has he ever become a human. God is infinite, so it is not possible for him to be finite. Therefore he cannot become a man and die on the cross. Even if God did choose to die, who the HELL would then resurrect God from the dead? Dead is Dead. If God died on the cross, in order to actually qualify as "Dead" He would need to go to Sheol and be POWERLESS just like everyone else there. Who supposedly raised God from the dead while he was supposedly dead and powerless? Don't be ignorant. Either God was alive, in which case he never died, or he was dead. If he was dead, he'd still be dead, and we'd all be screwed. If He gave up immortality, he could not magically become immortal again after dying on the cross.
@Bidensucks2020 Girl, good job holding the front. I don't know why people are out to get Christians. Its like they think we're all stupid or something when the entire civilization they exist on literally was built by people who confessed Christ. Everything we take for granted including the idea of human rights and liberties comes from philosophy derived from Christianity. Today's new-age transhumanist philosophy that atheists call morality is nothing but good ol' Christianity minus Christ. The greatest geniuses in modern history from Newton to Beethoven to Shakespeare to Kant to the founding fathers all considered themselves Christian. Brainiacs of today think they are so much better, so much smarter than these people smh. If you want to be atheist, cool that is fine with me. If you are struggling with who God is, that is also fine. But I really don't understand the readiness to come at other people's faiths, it seems so insecure to me.
@Wade12345 You don't understand the book of Genesis. The Bible isn't a book you read like any other book. The first chapter has different meanings the more you understood the rest of the Bible. Genesis is the first revelation of man's conception of God. God is light, which brought forth life from the darkness. In creating the world, God spoke things into existence and therefore we are introduced to the Word of God, the aspect of God which gives life to things. That Word which said "let there be light" is the same Word which, in the gospel of John , is made flesh in Christ, and it is the reason why Jesus says "before Abraham was, I am." Then there is the spirit of God, which in Genesis 'hovered over the deep'. That spirit is the Holy spirit, which hovered over Christ in his baptism. Genesis is the first of a series of revelations about God (there are many revelations including the story of Abraham, a father ready to sacrifice his son but instead sacrificing a blemish-less lamb) which reflect and prophesize Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection. As far as Christ's dying, the only reason someone would believe that God cannot die is if they believe that death is not just a progression into another life. Death does not end the spirit, and therefore the death of God did not end God, it simply removed God from the realm of earth and took him to the realm of the dead, where he freed those who were held captive by death. In believing in Christ, one accepts that he will not suffer death, not because he will not face his own mortality, but because his spirit has found life and will not die consumed in sin which brings forth spiritual death. All of these things are not immediately understood if you don't have faith and if you don't truly understand the Bible but are reading to find fault in it. I wish you luck. I think its good that you at least recognize that there is a God, some will scorn even that.
@cutiepatootie26 lol. I was a "Born Again" Christian and was a Christian for the first 36 years of my life. I have read every book in the Old Testament at least 3 times, and have read the entire New Testament probably 100 times or more. I have read two entire volumes of Bible commentaries. I used to spend all my time on Christian forums debating doctrine with other Christians.You don't understand the Bible. lol.I'm not a Christian now. Also, Christians did not write the Declaration fo Independence. All but two fo the signers of the Declaration were Deists, not Christians. Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration, rejected the Bible and said it was mostly useless, but had a few useful "gems" in it.Jesus is not God and cannot be God. Jesus did not meet the requirements to be a Rabbi in Israel. He had no formal education in the Law, neither did any of his disciples or apostles except Paul of Tarsus. Jesus even mis-quoted the Law a couple times in the Gospels. In order to be a Rabbi in Israel you had to complete education through 12 years old, including memorizing the entire Torah word for word. If you passed this first level of education, you then went on to memorize the Prophets word for word. Even then, you could not be in any official role of teaching or leadership until you were 50 years old. Jesus was not fifty years old, so he did not qualify to be a Tribal Leader or Priest either. Jesus cannot be a Priest in Israel anyway, because only Levites are allowed to be Priests, not the tribe of Judah.
@Wade12345 Good for you. I am an Orthodox Christian whose lineage has confessed the same Christian faith since the year 300 and whose ancestors before that confessed Orthodox Judaism. I can tell you, however much you want to think those 36 years makes you an expert on doctrine, you are not more of an expert than 2000 years of people spending their lives meditating on it. Based on what you've written so far it is clear that your understanding of the Bible is lacking. Anyways, good luck in your journey.
@cutiepatootie26 No. I perfectly understand the Bible. That's why I reject it. It is not the Infallible and Inspired "Word of God". Many times it's flat out not true at all.Example, DNA evidence shows both modern Jews and Palestinians have been the same people dwelling in the Land of Canaan for nearly 10,000 years. So they cannot be descended from any alleged Abraham and Sarah from Ur of the Chaldeans, supposedly around 2000 BCE. There are two cities in the ancient world named Ur of the Chaldeans. One is in present day Iraq and the other one is in present day China. The Jews and Palestinians are not directly related to the Iraqis nor the Chinese. Example 2:China has been continuously populated by the same people for over 200,000 years. The Bible claims the first man and woman were created about 6750 years ago.Example 3:There is no evidence that any alleged race of half-angel giant humans ever existed. The Bible claims half-angel Giants existed in three time periods: Before the alleged flood (which never happened either*), a few hundred years after the alleged flood through the time of Joshua, and again during the time of David. Archaeologists have dug up the entire middle-east and never found any giant skeletons other than whale carcasses. Archaeologists have never found the remains of the alleged cities of Sodom and Gomorrah either, even though Genesis tells you exactly what valley they supposedly lie in.I aced Physical Geology in College, and there is no evidence of any alleged world-wide flood in the Geological Record nor the Fossil Record.
Christ was not God Christ was here to get people back to God this is how twisted the message has become he's now a cult of personality and that's just wrong on all levels
@Seangreen how do you know Christ isn’t god? You are absolutely sure?
@Wade12345 I hope you find peace in that. I will just say, I read what you wrote and nothing there changed my belief in the slightest. Empiricism is one form of truth but it is not all truth and it is not infallible. I could research alternative facts to the 'evidence' you provided and suddenly things would not be quite so certain. The fundamental truth of God is found in experience, it requires faith, not rational proofs. But if you have no faith then no amount of empiricism can prove Him to you, and the least amount of empiricism will make you skeptical.
@Wade12345 It is going to be worse for you. Believer then denier.
Jesus was a false Prophet.
@Wade12345 I remind you Hell is forever and I would change my ways if I was you
The Old Testament says I'm saved by my Good Works and lack of evil works. Your Apostle, James, said the same thing. He said Faith cannot save you. You are saved only through Good Works.I do not believe in any man-god and I never will fall for that crap again.
@Wade12345 nope one way to heaven , knowing Jesus is the son of god. You deny knowing Jesus , Jesus will deny knowing you and you will be cast into hell.
Jesus isn't my judge. Jesus isn't God. God is my Judge. That's what my middle name means, by the way.
@Wade12345 The saddest thing about what you are saying is that it, again, comes from a deep misunderstanding of the Bible. The term faith and work as they are used in the Bible are not defined well by the English conception of "belief" being synonymous with faith and "worldly actions" being synonymous for work. The real description of the words places no true distinction between them. The closest one can come to understanding what is meant by "work" is the English saying "an act of faith". When prophets say "work without faith is dead", they are saying that those who attempt to perform acts of faith without inward faith have no reward. You can take the example of Cain in this regard. Cain did work but did not exhibit faith because what he was doing was a show rather than an inward love of God. By learning that Abel's gift (which was created with love of God) is accepted while Cain's gift (which was unfaithful) is not accepted, we can see that the concept of faith and work is well understood by Judaism before it is introduced in the New Testament. In Judaism and in early Christianity, there is no split between the concept of faith and work and both occur simultaneously-- one is simply the source and the other the vessel.
I’ve seen each of those excuses used.
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Firstly, it’s based off a poll of republicans. I can see arguing the significance of one poll but in your post alone I’m seeing the same BS arguments drummed into your heads by right wing media.
So you don't even keep up with what's going on and you have the nerve to judge people. I don't watch right wing media either because it has the same problems I mentioned before. Stop judging people and try forming your own opinions it'll help you out a lot.
I don’t keep up with right wing bullshit that’s for sure.
You don't keep up with anything from the looks of it
Do you have examples of news items that aren’t from right wing pseudo science news agencies?
There's literally an entire list I provided already if you actually read what I said you could look into it yourself like a functioning adult instead of pretending to be informed or interested in science
Yeah as I said, all those are bullshit. Quite literally fake news.
Okay prove it
Fauci was never against the vaxxwww.usatoday.com/.../“ there is no scientific evidence that any of these alternative remedies can prevent or cure COVID-19.”www.nccih.nih.gov/.../covid-19-and-alternative-treatments-what-you-need-to-know
So it took you all this time to come up with 2 things that I never said. I said the media was against the vaccine until Biden was elected not Faucci. Faucci was just wrong and inconsistent about masks and other information regarding Covid. Also your second link is literally from a site that's owned by Faucci and even still there's literally evidence to the contrary with Joe Rogans recovery and countless other people receiving alternative treatments instead of the vaccine. Once again it's really hypocritical to say I'm biased to sources that I don't use while you literally only rely on biased sources with different takes.
Oh you think all of “media” was against vaccinations. No, buddy, just all of your right wing media. Mainstream agencies have been begging assholes like you to get vaxxed since day one.
So you're just going to pretend that there was no vaccine criticism from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, most celebrities, CNN, MSNBC, and other "reliable" news sources you're just proving my point that you're just pretending to be interested in science and current events you don't even watch the sources you claim tell the truth. Once again I don't watch right wing media and you're making baseless assumptions again you don't know if I'm vaccinated or not and guess what I'm vaccinated because it was mandatory when I was in the service. So please stop talking while you're still behind you're just embarrassing yourself.
Maybe you think your media is centered, but it’s really quite inside the right wing bubble. Of course there was debate and criticism of the vaccines and laws. That’s what politicians are supposed to do. But that doesn’t mean theyre against it you snowflake.
Projecting your insecurities hasn't done you any good in this conversation and won't at any other point in this conversation. You're still talking about stuff you don't even know about, the criticism wasn't about it's effectiveness as a vaccine the criticism was that it's "Trump's" vaccine and that's why they wouldn't take it maybe you should actually do research before you start talking.
They were stupidly politicizing it, but not telling people not to take it. Basically they’d check it first, as if Pelosi would know. It’s politics snowflake. But your side is going beyond that by making a cottage industry of antivaxxers.
Projecting your insecurities is doing nothing for you if you're so offended by being wrong you should probably just educate yourself instead of calling people names. You have shown numerous times that you don't pay attention to science or the politics of any side maybe if you were actually intelligent and weren't spoon fed your opinions you'd have better comebacks than snowflake or saying irrelevant nonsense. I'm done exposing you have a nice day.
Wow, running away after embarrassing yourself…nice strategy.
Sure, but ironically they’re swayed by their right wing media that pushes anti science in order to sell gold and catheters.
right and left wing are both bad. i would say equally bad. being in the center, considering both sides is the best standpoint for the vast majority of people. which isn't gonna be possible in a society that becomes more and more polarized. if you're not hardcore left, they call you a trump fan. if you're not hardcore right, they call you antifa. society becomes more bullshit by the day.
I agree…almost completely. You can look up actual fake news and see right wing media is much worse.
i won't get into an argument about that, cause i don't regularly watch either right wing or left wing American media.however from what little i do see, they're both equally full of shit and fake news.
Ehh, no argument there’s bias on both sides. But I hate the false equivalency. The reason this question was posted is really because right wing media brainwashed it’s audience into becoming anti-science.
yeah well. as i said. the problem isn't "science". if you hear "science" mentioned in any "normative" aspect, you should see that normative aspect as separate from science, cause science is never normative and always just discriptive. if you consider that, then you can very easily separate propaganda from science.
Agreed! Then anti vaxxers don’t have a leg to stand on, right?
being anti vaxx is dumb. but being for the covid vaccine is horribly dumb if you're under 60. that's not consiracy or bullshit. calling people who are against the covid vaccine "anti vaxxers" is moronic propaganda.if government tells you to do something that earns them money, they don't have your interest in mind. consider that.
30 Rock, home to the drug dealing cop party that want people believing in terrorism while believing an Independent President will do a better job someday!
The best President ever
@Bidensucks2020 Most racist, shameless tap dancing whore for rich people ever.
At least we have some capacity for critical thought. You people demonstrably have none - you believe that uneducated hucksters on Youtube have more credibility than educated people.
@msc545 You people? I don’t have any blind devotion towards any side. I put an effort to think independently and it just so happens that most of my views align closer to the modern Republican persuasion… So that’s how I vote. Almost all of my views are based on fiscal policy. I really try and practice objectivity and ambiguity, and that’s why I keep my focus on economics and financial markets. There are numbers and clear logic I can attach to an idea. The cheerleading in this season of political division is honestly an annoyance to me. If the Biden administration enacted what I’d consider more effective policy, then I would have gladly voted. Most Republicans I know are what some people might consider classical liberals. JFK style Democrats. I’m more on board with that. I think the Republican Party has a large range of political theology just as the Democratic Party does. I mean you got the religious authoritative types and then the libertarian types on the right. You got Joe Manchin, and then AOC on the left. That’s a big a range.
The people you mention have enough in common that regarding as a monolithic group for many issues is not unreasonable. You may not belong in that group, but that does not invalidate my assertions for those who do.
Forgot to add this description of many right-wingers: "The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence."
I mean trust the consensus reviewed science. You know what consensus is right? And how pivotal it is in science?
The consensus comes from peer reviews. There have been studies about peer reviews how more than a third of studies results can't be recreated. Like it or not, science isn't perfect nor infallible.
Yes, science isn’t perfect or infallible. But what is this about a third of studies? If it can’t be recreated, there’s no consensus.
People have been saying that since Reagan. But the only bubbles have been corporations doing stupid crap like mortgage tranches.
That's not what Fauci said, though. He said he represents science (to his detractors). The detractors are attacking science through him, and it's working. He wasn't saying he's the embodiment of science or that he's infallible."“To me, that’s unbelievably bad, because all I want to do is save people’s lives. And anybody who’s looking at this carefully realizes that there’s a distinct anti-science flavor to this. So if they get up and criticize science, nobody’s going to know what they’re talking about. But if they get up and aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people can recognize there’s a person there.”“So it’s easy to criticize,” he added. “But they’re really criticizing science, because I represent science. That’s dangerous. To me, that’s more dangerous than the slings and the arrows that get thrown at me. And if you damage science, you are doing something very detrimental to society long after I leave.”"www.mediaite.com/.../
I saw it. He equated criticizing him to criticizing science. Here’s the full quote from the scourge itself:mobile.twitter.com/.../1465003501541597191
Fauci says he’s the science? Wtf?
“Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser and the longtime head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, keeps saying that his critics are “really criticizing science because I represent science.” Maybe he even believes it. But it might be time for science to find another spokesman“www.washingtonpost.com/.../...ab0e23b7e_story.html It’s basically him saying if you criticize me your criticizing science because he is the science, when other scientists have said masks don’t protect you again Covid even doctors who treat Covid like Dr Marty Makary who basically has said everything Fauci has said is wrong, If the consensus of scientist don’t agree with Fauci there anti science, there no other way of interpreting that he thinks he is science
Not sure that’s what he meant but either way, there are no authorities in science.
True but when we see politicians relies on 2 scientists when ignoring the others people start distrusting the science, It’s something that shouldn’t be politicized but Democratic have been doing it for years, Even in the 1980s they said we have 12 years to fix the climate, Al gore used science to try to put radical chance in the economy and New York would be underwater by 2015 now there saying another 12 when is it going to end?
If you listen to their reports, the people testifying rely on consensus reviewed research.
true but the majority of scientists disagree with fauci and other scientists on the left
I’m quoting recent studies…www.forbes.com/.../?sh=32f33ff716da
True, the lawsuits ban is bs. Corporations run the country.
All of that has truth in it, but it's still no excuse for distrusting a lot of other science that doesn't involve "profit", especially when you rely on science everyday in most anything else you do. I think it's those same 50% who believe in Trump, and actually believe he knows something about science too. LOL
@loveslongnails This involves profit.
G@G? Not much from its participants.
@loveslongnails No I mean the “science” behind the vaccines.
Ironically they’re not wrong. Education makes you more liberal.
Unless you're allergic to the vaccine, you need to find a new doctor. I caught Covid TWICE before the vaccine was released, so I had natural antibodies to it, yet my doctor told me to take the vaccine anyway. He's the best doctor within driving distance of my home state. All the ER doctors and other physicians in the area call him when they don't know how to diagnose or advise a patient. He's a "Diagnostician". That's what Gregory House is supposed to be doing on television, but House is a crank.You do NOT want to catch Covid. I got very sick from it both times I caught it. It was two of the four sickest times in my entire life. My mother got so sick from Covid she was hospitalized and given anti-body injections, and most of her hair fell out from the stress on her body.Most of the people dying from Covid now are unvaccinated science deniers.
@Wade12345 I had covid... it was like a cold, nothing more. I was sick for a whole 2 days, and not down at all. You made the decision you felt was right for you, please don't presume to tell me what's right for me.
you didn't have covid then. What you had is a cold with a false positive covid test. The symptoms of covid are not even the same as a Cold.Covid lasts for two weeks to a month or so in everyone I know who caught it and tested positive.
When you catch covid for real, your going to be sorry for not getting the vaccine.
@Wade12345 I think I'll trust my doctor and not some random guy online. Mind your business.
@Wade12345 Let me start by saying that I took the vaccine - So I ain't biased against it nor for it - I genuinely don't care if someone takes it or not - But assuming that covid is one of the worst things that could ever happen to you is a joke - I had it literally a year ago I only felt bad for a couple of days (9th and 10th day) other days I worked out I did everything normally - the only reason why I stayed home is so I don't give it to other people - Or look at Kevin Durant when he got the dude said 2 days later that he wishes he'd be allowed to play because he easily can - People who have trouble with it are either unfortunate or have predisposed physiological/health problems
Also the only reason I took it was specifically because people were so afraid of it - some dudes literally were telling me their dicks went back after taking it - I told myself this stupid little injection can't do shit to me.. My balls are too big.. Which is why I went and did it
@Wade12345 You must get a cold every week
@Wade12345 did you see the vaccine adverse reaction reports that had to be released by court order for freedom of Information Act and then you want to talk about it just if you're allergic fuck off
People really get the wrong idea about the whole "question science" thing. Sure, you can question science, but you have to do it from a place of knowledge; you have to know what the science is talking about and how and why it reached the current position.Questioning evolution is pointless, because the essential truth of it has been established over the last 150 years, with more and more evidence backing it up.Questioning the role of carbon dioxide in heating the atmosphere is pointless, because the mechanism was discovered in the 19th century.Questioning germ theory is pointless, because it's been around since the 19th century (displacing the miasma theory popular in Europe in that century). We can now "see" them and pull the little blighters apart into their component molecules. None of this is to say that there aren't questions around the edges of science, but you have to understand the basics before you can expect your questioning to move things forward. Otherwise, you're just a distraction.
Tell me you don't understand what the word "authoritarian" means without telling me you don't understand what the word "authoritarian" means.
@joeldalton You're only for the liberty to hurt other people, not liberty from people like you.
bahahaha... oh jeez... this is doublespeak that would make Orwell blush.
@joeldalton Have Republican governors decided that lower level governments and businesses are not permitted to demand mask wearing, or not?
It is not authoritarian for a government to protect its citizens from companies trampling the citizen's rights.
@joeldalton Their rights would only be being trampled on if it were the government doing it. Forcing businesses NOT to do something to protect their staff and customers is authoritarian. Only allowing liberties that you agree with is authoritarian.
Dipshit. Not having a mandate doesn't preclude anyone from wearing a mask.
@joeldalton Dipshit, it's not about a mandate, it's about Republican governors taking rights they don't agree with from businesses and towns. Authoritarian. You should not have the right to enter a business without following their rules; taking away that business' right to set the rules is authoritarian. Asking for masks in the middle of a pandemic is far more reasonable than insisting on a shirt or tie.
No, if a business is infringing on my freedoms, then the government has the right to step in and prevent them from doing so. Just like if McDonalds decides to require a shot passport, my governor put a quick stop to that bullshit.
@joeldalton You don't have the freedom not to wear a shirt in most (or trousers in almost all) restaurants. How are businesses who demand masks restricting your freedoms any more than that? The government making businesses *not* to do things that protect their workers and customers is clearly more authoritarian than making them do those things for the general welfare. What's next? Forcing bakers *not* to serve gay people or Jews?
I have the right to breathe freely. Period. A company forcing me to put on a muzzle is restricting that right.
@joeldalton You don't have to go into that business, same as if you didn't want to wear a tie. You have freedom of speech, but a business is allowed to throw you out if you're insulting people. Forcing a business *not* to protect their workers and customers is taking away their right to run the business as they will. Authoritarian.That sort of thing has also resulted in nearly 450 deaths per million more since June 2020 in states with Republican governors than in the other states. That's more Americans than died in Vietnam.
The stores in the states without mandates can put masks on their employees. If you don’t want to go into a store where some people don’t wear masks, you don’t have to do that, either. You seem to forget that not wearing a mask that restricts your breathing is the natural state. you REALLY forget that you libs were pissing down your legs because women in Muslim countries have to cover their faces for years.
@joeldalton Ah, so we've moved on to lying about what I'm saying. Republican governors have told businesses that they're *not allowed* to require customers to wear masks to protect their employees and other customers. That's both authoritarian and stupid.Republican states have allowed 67,000 preventable Americans deaths. Just for political reasons. I know they were preventable, because that's the difference in deaths since June 2020, when it was apparent what worked. Republicans went with ignoring the science. Nearly 35,000 of those excess deaths have been since the beginning of July this year, when everybody had had a chance to get vaccinated.
Yes, we will always move on, because you are bullshitting with numbers to make a political point. As always you don’t give a flying fuck about the people who have died. You’re cynically using deaths for political points. And you can fuck right off about it. You don’t give a rat’s fart about keeping people healthy. You want to flex your unearned importance as someone who “cares”
@joeldalton Nope, the bullshitting is when you ignore the numbers because they show that you and the authoritarians you follow are stupid and dangerous.
@goaded - please stop with the doublespeak. I know you're doing it, and you know I know you're doing it. It's not going to work on anyone.So where does a private company have the right to impede on my right to breathe freely? What are their credentials to decide healthcare decisions for me? And we're not talking about real hazards like toxic fumes. We're talking about your local grocery store.
@joeldalton Doublespeak? This from someone who's been lying about masks and vaccines and lockdowns for more than a year and says that I don't care about people's lives?"No shirt, no service." Sound familiar? Businesses have a right to set rules about who's allowed into their premises. They also have a duty to take reasonable steps to ensure the safety of their employees and customers. Some Republican governors have chosen to *stop* businesses (and local governments) from doing so. That's authoritarian.Besides, nobody's dragging you into their stores.By the way, the crazy states that force people not to follow the federal government or CDC guidelines are these: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Utahwww.aarp.org/.../...avirus-state-restrictions.htmlOne of them has a Democratic governor, but his veto to the foolishness was overridden by the Republican legislature.Looking at total deaths per million in those states, it's 2,583 to 1,930 in the rest. That's practically 75,000 unnecessary deaths. To score political points.
No one's dragging you into stores where people don't wear masks, either. So STFU. If you cared about people's health, you wouldn't support hospitals firing doctors and nurses "literally in the middle of a pandemic". Seems a teensy bit counterintuitive, doesn't it?Who at your local McDonald's is qualified to give you health advice? What are their qualifications to pass a mask requirement?
@joeldalton Keep trying to twist things from authoritarian Republicans blocking people from following the experts' guidelines, why don't you?If a store's owner or a county or municipality wants to follow CDC guidelines to save lives by requiring masks/tests/vaccinations, they should be allowed (encouraged) to do so. Some crazy states have *taken away* their right to do so. Not to mention the rights of those 75,000 people who are no longer breathing at all because their state's Republican politicians wanted to score political points.The sane states have almost exactly the death rate of the EU (1,922), whose countries also followed the science (and made some mistakes). The extra 75,000 American dead are down to their states' Republican leaders.
Oh, so it's not a private business making a decision. It's a private business under coercion from the federal government making these decisions. Glad you were able to clarify. So let's try this again, this is government strongarming businesses into following their guidance. And the good governors are protecting their citizens from this government overreach.
@joeldalton Bzzzt! Wrong (as usual).Following advice is not coercion. Being forced not to is. And it's killed 75,000 Americans more in states that reject the CDC recommendations than the other states.
I understand... I mean those girls who sucked Harvey Weinstein's dick weren't "forced". They just wouldn't get jobs if they didn't. They totally did it on their own accord.You ready for your 4th booster, dope?www.cnbc.com/.../...oses-sooner-than-expected.html
@joeldalton You probably do understand that you were wrong, you're just too pig-headed to admit it, and want to change the subject from authoritarian Republican leaders stopping people from keeping their fellow citizens alive. 75,000 of them, and you couldn't care less.
lmao. I'm not using the dead for my cynical political goals. Let's not forget I know what you're all about.
@joeldalton No, you just don't give a damn about how many people die in order to own the libs for political gain. Nor do your favorite authoritarian leaders. They didn't even just leave it up to municipalities, counties or businesses, they actively stopped them from protecting people.
lmao. You don't give a flying fuck about all the children whose lives you destroyed by advocating lockdowns and masks. So shove your sanctimonious bullshit up your ass. No one believes you.
Cost/Benefits of lockdowns
@joeldalton That image contains almost no information. The cost of a human life is generally put at about $10 million. 75,000 Americans needlessly died in the crazy states that outlawed enforcement or implementation of federal mandates.www.npr.org/.../episode-991-lives-vs-the-economy
Then you need to read the studies referenced other than NPR's propaganada
@joeldalton Ah, yes, the "Fake News" defence. I notice you've not once challenged the numbers I've given, because you're either completely scientifically illiterate, or you know damn well I can back them up. Probably both. Authoritarian Republicans have caused the deaths of around 75,000 Americans by actively preventing people from following scientific advice.
Your numbers are bullshit and I’ve debunked them before so shove them up your ass.
@joeldalton Not even once. 75,000. Americans. Dead. Because Republican leaders wanted to show how tough they are. Pathetic.Total deaths in crazy_states as of 20211209: 2583Total deaths in sane_states as of 20211209: 1930
Yup, your cherry-picked numbers.. shove them up your ass.
@joeldalton You want to argue with my numbers? Show some that show that Republican controlled states that actively ruled against CDC guidelines didn't have 75,000 deaths more than the other states.
I’d rather watch you foam at the mouth over deaths you pretend to care about.
@joeldalton In other words, you've got nothing, and are just a sorry little troll who's wrong about everything other than saying Trump was wrong when he insisted 15 days was enough to flatten the curve.
Lol, no, I’m rejecting your authoritarian (true meaning of the word) horseshit based on weak science to “protect” people from a virus with a 99% survival rate. And I’m telling you that you don’t give a flying rats ass about this virus or people getting sick. You only care about exercising control over people.
@joeldalton Yeah, yeah, more bullshit. The science isn't weak at all. You used to say that the survival rate was 99.85%, remember? That was before 0.24% of the population died despite fewer than one in 5 getting it.
I’m going off the CDC’s numbers. Remember them? You love to crow all the bullshit they spew. The same CDC that has ZERO record of any person who recovered from covid spreading it to others.
@joeldalton No you weren't, you were going off one person's numbers. Professor John P. A. Ioannidis of Stanford University, California.principia-scientific.com/.../
No, from the CDC’s site. Quit your bullshitting.
@joeldalton Not really. You see, I have this thing called a memory. Why don't you find me an archive page of the CDC that says what you say it said? Oh, and I also have search engines that show you saying the fatality rate is "about.05%" (165,000 Americans) How can Sweden never shut down their country but only 6,000 people there die while the United States was shutdown everything but many more people die? ↗ And that you explicitly linked to the guy I said you did: 🤔 Can any LEFT WINGER tell me the difference? ↗ (plus your classic "US will be at herd immunity by May")
We’d have herd immunity if those shots weren’t so shitty. You. Are correct, I was stupid to believe fauci when he said they’re 90% effective at preventing transmission. At 30% effective, your only hope for herd immunity is everyone getting the disease.
@joeldalton Wow, you actually posted some evidence for once! Shame it doesn't come close to backing up what you said (99.85% survival).So, now you're upset that vaccines might only save 95% of the lives of people that catch the virus and not provide full immunity (which the US will probably never know because of the ridiculously low rates of vaccination, mostly because of lies like yours)?That's clearly a good reason not to have them.
People like me? Dumb fuck, I’m more immune than you are. Let’s remember, yet again, the CDC has ZERO record of any person who recovered from covid getting and spreading covid to someone else. Your shots can’t come close to making the same claim. 60% of the us is vaccinated. 15% of the country has gotten covid and recovered. (Wow, 85% of the country hasn’t gotten covid). And that 15% doesn’t include these big scary asymptomatic folks who didn’t know they had covid and recovered. If the shots pulled their weight we’d have herd immunity. But we know how leaky they are. We know they’re spurring the variants. We also know that you’re now scared of a variant that has no recorded hospitalizations and death and is classified as having “very mild” symptoms.
@joeldalton You will insist on calling anyone who's willing to take some basic precautions in order to save lives "scared". Are you scared if you look both ways before crossing a road?Everybody can see you don't care about anyone except yourself. Yes, you recovered from covid, 5.3 million people did not.Lets say the other 85% of the country have to get covid to be as wonderfully immune as you are. Why don't you think it would be better if reaching that point resulted in deaths in the tens or even hundreds of thousands rather than in the millions? "It's not perfect, so it's not worth doing" is a stupid attitude."We know [vaccines are] spurring the variants."At this point, I'd usually ask if you're really that stupid, but the jury is in.
@goaded weird that the media is even turning against your BSwww.theatlantic.com/.../Let's try this again. YOU can do whatever you feel is necessary to keep yourself safe. I look both ways before crossing the road. What I don't do is force you to do it every time I want to cross the road. You can wear 6 masks, a buttplug with fauci's face on it and ski goggles behind a face shield in a hazmat suit.
@joeldalton Of course you're only concerned about yourself. Why didn't you answer whether it's better to have 100,000 more deaths or 2,000,000? Is it because other people don't count at all?Let's not forget that you're the one saying that states preventing counties, municipalities and businesses protecting they people they serve from infection or death is not authoritarian. Those policies have led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.And that Atlantic article? "Unvaccinated Americans will certainly pay the steepest price in the months to come, but the risks appear to have grown for everyone." Well, duh. It's hardly supporting your dumb positions.Here's some more: "... two vaccine doses alone *might* still allow for frequent breakthrough infections and rapid spread of the disease—even if hospitalization and death remain *unlikely*. Getting three shots, or two shots plus a previous bout of COVID, seems to offer more protection."
Yes, you're responsible for keeping yourself safe. Radical concept.
@joeldalton So, according to you, there's no need to have laws about driving on the right side of the road, or stopping at red lights. Did you forget to answer the question about whether 100,000 or 2,000,000 deaths is better?
oh FFS, stop being an idiot. A virus is a force of nature. You're responsible for keeping yourself safe from it. Period.
@joeldalton FFS, moron, normal people have always worked together in pandemics because that's the best way to keep the most people alive.That's being proven by Republican authoritarians doing precicely the opposite, with deadly results. Or do Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah have anything in common not found in any other state, other than authoritarian Republican leadership?Are you going to answer the question of whether 2,000,000 more deaths is a worse thing than 100,000, now?
Yeah, We'll work together. You take care of you, I'll take care of me, and together we're both being safe. That's working together.
@joeldalton And that attitude is the difference between 1,900 and 2,600 deaths per million. 700 per million by itself would have been the most deadly epidemic in the US in a century.
WATCH OUT FOR OMNICRON!
@joeldalton Watch out for Authoritarian states where they prevent people from protecting each other and killed 34,000 extra citizens since July 2021.
War is peace, freedom is slavery