Joke? There is nothing to joke around when men loses their children, houses and 80%+ of their entire savings, plus they are forced to pay alimonies until kid is turned 18. And this is not a single incident, this is an ENORMOUS problem that men face in United States every day of the week. But wait, there is more, women wanted freedom, they wanted to be independent and self built. Well, Congratulations your wish came true, the problem is, to get all the things that I just mentioned, takes TIME. High School + College + reasonable amount of years to get that success. By the time women are 30+ years old, men, don't want them anymore. Why? because 1. They highjacked man's biological instinct, which is to be a protector, provider and supporter. 2. When women are successful it is EXTREMELY difficult for them to find a person who is more successful than they are. So, they have no choice but to try to get top 20% of men who are more successful than they are. The problem is, those top 20% of men are not interested in 30+ year old women, for obvious reasons. 3. If women is working full time or more (successful business) and if men is working full time or more (successful business), who will be raising children? The state? or perhaps the government? No, seriously, be real here. But please, wait, because there is more, with the rise of Internet and everything that it has brought, 70% of men, maybe even more are left in the Dust and in a sewer pipes, because they are not 7 or above ( 1-10 ) When it comes to procreation women are VERY picky and you know it, men are not. You see, M. G. T. O. W. happened out of pure necessity, because they were pinned down against the wall with a 1000 pounds of pressure. There was a time when M. G. T. O. W. was a stealthy club, but now it is main stream and it got a lot of traction these days and A LOT of hate especially from women, is because it started to effect them, HARD!. Marriages are dropping at historical rate, men are refusing to have children with women and on top of that, men are building sexual androids that would be better than women in Each and Every Imaginative way you can think of by the year 2040. M. G. T. O. W. is a path to freedom for most men. As it goes for women, they are making fun of it, laughing at M. G. T. O. W. and trying to make M. G. T. O. W. look weak and pathetic, because they have no idea what will happen to them in less than 20 years.
A couple of things...
1. In 51% of divorce cases both parents agree that the children should be with the mother. So men only fight for their children 49% of the times. Since men get custody around 23% of the times means that of the 49% they fight they win nearly half.
2. You know that people can get an education, a job, a career while having a relationship right? That's how it works. People don't need to first build a career and only then begin to date.
3. But let's say they do. You really think a 30 year old women will have any trouble getting a relationship?
4. Providing and protecting is not a men thing is a ham thing. Humans are animals. There is not a single animal where the females don't bring food home and protect their families. Humans included.
5. Modern days my friend. Women don't want men who make more than they do. My wife makes more than me. Specially if they are very successful all they want is a loving partner.
6. You can leave your children in daycare after you parenting leave ends and after that you take care of them once you are home. You don't work 24/7.
7. Do you actually believe only 30% of men are having kids? The word population has been increasing for decades now. For that to be true those men all have to have over 10 kids.
8. It's scientifically proven that women actually change their spectrum of what they consider attractive more than men after they get to know a person. Meaning they care more than us about who their partner is vs what he looks like.
9. Marriage rates are down, and divorce rates are at a record low also. People marry less, but also divorce less. Why? Because people don't marry for necessity anymore. They marry for love.
10. They are laughing because they know they have nothing to worry about.
It's just a group of guys that have had enough of the bullshit from women, they are going their own way, away from the mixed signals, unrealistic expectations and just silly ideas of women, the gold diggers, the liars, cheaters, users and abusers, they are just done.
MGTOW isn't trying to fix anything, they are just done with you women, that's it, they just want to get away from you. They've wayed the pros and cons and to them for how little they have to gain from women is just completely outweighed by the hassle or even risk.
Why are you even mad? You where never gonna date them anyways, what do you care if they don't want to date? If you're single it's not MGTOWs fault, all you single women probably reject dudes in a month compare to how many women a guy dates in his whole life..
So what now you want to date those MGTOW guys just cause they refuse to give you attention? Just leave them alone they are sick of women's bullshit and drama and it's their choice if they would really rather die alone.
And why you make it sound like they need to be fixing society? Why do women try to attach higher meaning to everything? You asking that is exactly why some dudes are just done with women. Carrer orientated women are just obsessed with work thinking their work ethic means something, feminist are just out of control demanding stupid shit cause like you think "we need change" women put all kinds of extra meaning into sex like it equals love, women act like childbirth is some amazing feat when no it really isn't, stubborn women that push men away call themselves "strong independent women".
y'all have this ridiculous expectations and take pride in the strangest things.
Dude what woman hurt you seriously. You’re outlook is seriously not healthy. Talk to a psychiatrist please for your own sake.
You're complaining about the guys that just want to be left alone and I you think i need to see a psychiastist?
Do you hear yourself? You are offend a group of guys aren't chasing women.
Look I ain't saying every woman is that way either, I found a good one, I have a girlfriend, I'm not a mgtow, but at the same time everything I said is true, there are shitty women doing all that shit out there.
If it really bothers you that a small group of men aren't dating, done playing the game and pursuing women playing hard to get that makes you sound egotistical and intitled, maybe you should see a psychiatrist.
Yep. Is just as stupid as today's 3rd wave feminist. Instead of fixing issues they blame the opposite sex for every wrong in their lives.
Who files for divorce 75% of the time, have a boyfriend show up weeks or a month later, and the guy finds out one or all his kids belong to another man he was raising thinking his? That would upset me greatly. If he knew what he was getting himself into, more power to the situation. And that is not all that uncommon.
What about all these false allegations that are not allowed to be entertained because men are all bad and toxic. It takes a lot to prove a woman is lying, and women are quick to defend all women before learning the truth. They always assume the man is wrong every single time. Then when they find out the guy is not guilty, he has to pay extra to get the charges removed and no one cares if the guy spent anytime in incarceration. The woman has virtually no consequences. But we are not even allowed to go there, because false allegations are rare... Right.
@Qdbrown Women cannot physically understand what M. G. T. O. W. is, because they are not men that have been ran over by a steamroller. Plus, they cannot mentally understand the mental and emotional damage false accusations like raping a woman does to a man. This false mark stays with him until he dies, he is mentally ruined. Good luck to him finding a job, good luck to him making normal friends and good luck to him to try to get a second family, because everything is on Internet. That type of record never disappears.
I know men have their unfair disadvantages when it comes to women. And I'm all for men fighting to make changes. Just like I was all for women fighting to make changes that were unfair toward us. But what I'm not for these groups that blame the opposite sex for everything that's gone wrong in their life. Especially when there's men or women out there that want to help and support certain changes the opposite sex wants to change.
I want for dads to have same rights to their kids. I want men to not get falsely accused and the woman who did falsely accuse him go to jail. I'm just against blaming a whole sex foe the wrongs that happen because not all women or men are the same. Also both men and women need to recognize that whatever wrongs one sex is facing, the other sex has wrongs against them as well. Men aren't the only victims from the opposite sex. It goes both ways so it's better for those of us willing to work as a team.
It is a joke, and most men (that have brains) know it.
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u I facetiously call them MFTOCEM (Men Fixin' Their Own Coffee Every Morning.) Yes, they seem to be a bunch of butt hurt boys who have banded together for mutual validation and to join together in a chorus of whistles in the night.
MGTOW is ‘a thing’ because women, as a collective, have made themselves too legally dangerous for interaction with them to survive a rational cost/risk/benefit calculation.
For the past 61 years women have vomited hate and insanity over men 24/7 via Feminism. Did women, as a collective, expect men to not notice and remember that?
Women, as a collective, have been kicking men and looking for every opportunity to harm men, now some women are upset and angry (both are emotions) that a significant and increasing number of men choose to exclude that source of legal liability and pain from their lives.
Among men who choose to continue to interact with females, an increasing number are recording (covertly) all interactions, so that they can defend themselves against false allegations of sexual harassment and/or rape.
Small discreet (even disguised) bodycams have become a big part of the electronics market.
Alimony, child custody, child support, property settlements, no-fault divorce and domestic violence laws (based on the fraudulent Duluth Model) have been recrafted to be grotesquely unfair to men and intended to destroy men’s lives.
In Canada, a court established a new nightmare for men by ordering a man to pay $50,000 a month in spousal support to a former girlfriend. They dated. They did not cohabit. She had not been a common law wife.
Women who are lonely, cannot get a man and are adopting cats…you did this to yourselves.
Sadly it's not. It's apart of the pointless gender war where men say all women are gold diggers or sluts & they want just want to chain down men to marriage contracts. Same thing with the women saying all men just want sex. It's the same bs that we're never as men & women are just going to admit the gender war is retarded & we need to restructure the system because we're expecting people to have conventional relationships in a unconventional society. It's because we put a strong emphasis on individualism & if you're relationship went sour then that's on you because all women pick abusive & asshole men. It's men's fault for pick slutty girl blah blah blah. I wonder when people are going realize that this gender war right wing vs left wing bs is just retarded & we need to put our egos aside & come together & help each other out. No man or woman is an island. We all need each other. when you were a baby you needed someone to love you & care for you. You still need someone to love & care for you. You may not need a high level of care like you use to, but you still need it. It's not your fault you feel like shit, it's the people that put bs in your head & make you feel like shits fault.
Finally women realize what's happening. It's late even good guys have their eyes opened. We did learn women doesn't respect man who open the door and that are gentle to them or kind also they don't like quite one. They go for drug dealer and someone who treat them bad and call them bitch and whore. TikTok exposed much of shit some women even say they love being called whore and whoring and some so summer whore. Why the hell we not mgtow? What women brings to our life with such personality? Sex? We can buy sex any time this is something we can buy at the market but can a woman buy someone that put effort and work on long term relationship I doubt it. I have seen good men working 16 hours to keep their marriage together the bitch cheated with someone from tinder her husband was thinking to suicide and some did suicide unfortunately. Women destroyed many men for their selfish and evil and stupidity. I myself got dumped for an abusive ex and months later she wanted to get back oh she looked like bug ass fat Hippo I did support her and rised her dead low self esteem and my reward was dump me for an abusive ex why should I take her back after all that and she looks like fat ass hippo. We are done with women shit and some guys are friend zoned because they don't show their D in the first date. Women ruined the dating scene it wasn't our fault
Jesus please don’t procreate.
You should applaud these types of men. Here's a couple of men who went their own way:
Sir Isaac Newton
Ludwig van Beethoven
The Wright Brothers
Nikola Tesla
So, these men who "deal with actual issues," I'm not sure what you mean, because calculus, flying a plane, and nationwide electrical systems are "actual issues."
Maybe you just hate what you can't understand, since you're an average person dealing with average people. Because the average guy would probably sit their listening to dumb bullshit and sacrifice his independence and freedom of thinking in hopes of getting a piece of ass.
Preach!
It's not a thing anymore since we've achieved our goal of exposing feminism and causing support for them to fall to the lowest point since it's inception and doomed the movement to be one that isn't taken seriously by hardly anyone on either side of the political aisle.
We've since moved on and found someone to love and be with while our enemies lay bitter, alone, and hateful of everyone and everything, just as they did to us but now the tables have turned.
We were seemingly impossibly outnumbered but we did what we could with the numbers we had which proved to be too much for their movement to handle. Now all of the hatred and bitterness you've accused us of having is in full display from YOUR side. While we make good moves in our lives while you desperately try to make it seem like MGTOW is this big scary monster of a movement but nobody believes you. There's various ways to cope with defeat, but this sure isn't a good method.
Men don't need women. Men build civilizations and infrastructure. They write laws. They can do all the dangerous jobs, endure physical pain, and work in harsh conditions. We run countries and are explorers. Everything you enjoy is because of something a man had fucking built or designed.
Yet all you whiny, backwards, feminist, modern quiffs do is shit on us constantly and demand evermore special privileges. And you're forever choosing scumbags and men who mistreat you for partners while demanding that good men do more and more to win and keep your love.
Who fucking needs that?
Please don’t procreate.
Men getting screwed over in divorce IS because of women though. Same goes for child custody. In those two instances they have a legitimate argument. And no women EVER have got any laws changed to help men.
I don't see how that group is harming women though. Maybe it is just the 30+ year old women that have almost no value are concerned when the dating pool gets smaller.
Incel doesn't make sense in this case. That would imply that they couldn't get a relationship even if they wanted to. MGTOW intentionally separate themselves from society because something like the marriage system screwed them over using the corrupt divorce courts.
I think their plan is to be a civil disobedience kind of thing to get society to realize that the marriage system is broken. However I think this is what society wants. Feminists even think the marriage system is oppressive because they often compare it to selling women off into slavery which even I think is absurd, as much as I agree that the marriage system needs some serious reformation.
I wouldn't consider it a joke because there are serious problems that case because of women. The reason to turn away from MGTOW was that they had no real solution what living apart from women could mean the forums I found stayed at the state of complaining.
"advocating for solving real issues men of society face"
They're not MRA's. They know MRA is useless. You've been watching too many feminist interpretation's of MGTOW as opposed to MGTOW themselves. But its par for the course for women to be uniformed and TO misinform.
Oh look another ignorant female interpretation of mgtow.
Look unlike feminists, mgtow don’t wanna change society, they r just sick of drama and wanna be left alone. Can everyone please just leave em alone?
I’m not one by the way although I was for a while without really knowing it was a movement... I just didn’t want the drama. Now I guess I’m ready for all that nonsense again XD
As much as I do not agree with the MGTOW approach, this answer is correct. Its just guys who say "fuck it and leave me alone with your nonsense"
The real joke is Feminism
Telling every woman they need to be equal to a man
That's funny as shit
I would love to see a woman try and manage a MLB or NFL team
Now that's something to laugh at
Plus, i couldn't take it seriously
I mean if a woman can't pick the right guy
How is a woman going to pick a guy to play for a team?
Give them all blowjobs, and see who likes it
Please don’t procreate for humanity’s sake.
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No, you don't procreate for humanity's sake
Nope. MGTOW in all it's variations is a response and philosophy that saves men from the abuses of society that believes men should be used for their resources and attacked if they make any woman mad using the legal system and family courts.
Honestly, I believe it's a case of sour grapes. They are not going their own way. They are ignored, hence they invent this idea that they are voluntarily "going their own way" when in fact they are bitter and being shown the door.
If that was the case, some women would not be so upset that a chunk of the male population had withdrawn from having anything to do with women.
A common story among MGTOW is that when they were teens and 20 somethings they could almost not get a date, because the vast majority of the female population wanted bad boys and sundry other sociopaths.
By the time that they were 30 something, women who would have rejected them when the women were 20 came sniffing around looking for a white picket fence and a retirement plan.
By that time, the men had become educated in the ways of women and, consequently, did not want anything to do with women.
Add some bitterness and resentment that festered during two decades of lonely nights.
The only reason it is a thing is because it is well funded. The intention is to redirect common male sexual frustrations against the Democratic party. This is why it sounds like a support group but behaves like an attack group.
Well funded?
You are delusional.
Feminism is funded by corporations and government.
MGTOW is not funded by anyone or anything outside if the Manosphere.
Nothing in the Manosphere is funded externally.
MGTOW is a bunch of independant men who send a few pennies to each other via podcast subscriptions.
You're a complete idiot. Conspiracy theorist.
Though I dislike the idea of MGTOW, I think they have been burned enough times to be in a relationship with others.
I mean come on even a person burned with hot milk will cool down the ice cream before eating it
You dismissed the concerns of men while insisting we live in a patriarchy.
I'm going to steal some sjw language and say you are "femsplaining".
Do you get paid from writing these articles? (Just curious)
But to answer your question
Those incels paint a bad picture on guys like me who are asexual & unattractive... I get lumped into the "creepy/incels" category
That's a strawman. One, they blame men as much as women.
And they advocate for walking away.
Even going full monk hermit mode.
Lol as if feminazis are any better. Bitch and complain about patriachy when they have a lot of privileges men don't
GTOW means they leave you alone. So why do you care? I personally just pretend they don't exist and enjoy the more beneficial dating ratio every man who drops out of the dating pool. Lol
I don’t know what that is. If the guy is attractive and asserts that claim then women are like why? But if the guy is ugly and makes that claim then women are like … ok, nobody cares.
Obviously it’s a very small minority of the public doing this. Why not just ignore it if it bothers you that much?
It is not small lol, it is a World Wide phenomena.
@GreenLantern101 You’re right. I answered that one without doing my homework. Now that I see it, it’s not a bad thing. Sounds like it’s men who want to go back to how things were before 2008.
I have to change my answer to OP. Why don’t you engage with these men instead of making assumptions? If you follow politics closely you would know that feminism has been corrupted. We have people currently changing words and meanings to suit their narrative. It’s dangerous.
I say go back all the way to a Nuclear Family. Men did what God/Nature intended him to do and women would do what God/Nature intended her to do.
I like this quote by Winston Churchill.
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see."
I go back to the beginning.
There's a name for almost everything.
MGTOW is a name for men, that hate women.
They exist.
Just like gold diggers, which is a name for women, who get into relationships for the money.
MGTOW do not hate women.
We have made a rational cost/risk/benefit calculation and determined that women do not bring a net benefit into our lives.
Instead, women are a source of extreme legal and financial liability, as well as malicious emotional pain.
Therefore, MGTOW have chosen to exclude that source of liability and heartbreak from their lives.
MGTOW no longer want women, in the way that one would not invite a venomous snake into their home.
There are no roving bands of MGTOW who seek to do physical harm to women.
There are no penis hat marches.
MGTOW have given up on lobbying to have unjust laws changed. They leave that exercise in futility to the Men’s Rights Advocates.
MGTOW simply live without female entanglements of any type.
To women who have a problem with men refusing to interact with them I say look in the mirror. You did this to yourselves.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 what phase are they in, when they are hating women?
I want women (feminist or not, i don't care). They're usually nice and hardworking.
@Qdbrown phase? What do you mean?
@cth96190 "robust debate"? Nothing about what they say is "robust debate"
I can give you an example from here. A guy make a Take about it. How he was going mgtow. Away from relationships. So he did joined forums and what not. And he was expecting good and collected men. What he got was angry bitter dudes. So he gave up on mgtow. He had and entire take about this.
I was not surprised to read it.
honestly both parties feminism and MGTOW could be seen as a joke to some degree. So yes and no
MGTOW exists as a reaction, figure out what that reaction is to
I cannot say it in English, but they must be to name themselfs "ma chi te se incula".
MGTOW is the equal but opposite reaction to feminism. Feminists and MGTOWs are just opposite sides of the same pathetic coin.
Yeah it’s the equivalent of an 8 year old saying “I’m not gonna play with you anymore.”
It’s just some men that won’t deal with women anymore but it’s real as far as I know but I’m not into it
Why are feminists a thing honestly? Is your profile serious?
It's meant be a Male Empowerment Movement just like Feminism.
What issues? Do you even know?
Because of evil women like you. that's why
MGTOW is a bad response to feminism
The population of the Western world has been walking away from all forms of Christianity for a century and a half.
It is not realistic to think that you can defeat the poison of Feminism by standing on a street corner and preaching. Most people simply do not want to know any more.
As for Catholicism. . . hell no!
The current Pope is a Communist infiltrator, a covert Satanist and probably likes little boys.
All levels of the Catholic Church are infested with paedophiles and Communists, which is partly the result of a plan that Stalin set into motion during the 1920s. That is on the public record.
Many of the practices and teachings of the Catholic Church are contrary to the Bible.
The history of the Catholic Church is soaked in blood. Did you that that there was a time when Catholics burnt people at the stake for the heinous crime of owning a Bible?
That tells us everything that we need to know about for whom the Catholic Church is working.
Honestly yes
No we need equality
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