Does MGTOW have a point?

[Anonymous]

I hear girls left and right say "all guys are pigs and only want sex" so if girls already made their mind up, why should men go out their way to change your mind? Like I really do want to meet a great girl and have a relationship, but if they all see me as guilty before proven innocent, like why even try? Sure I'm giving up, but I don't want to have to live my life proving I'm something I already am because of their preconceived biases.

[CheckPlease]

Its like the feminists. They have a few good points but most go to far and include people who just hate others.

To be fair I agree with alor of thiwr points and far to often I'm used by women who often dangle sex or a relationship with no intent to really do either.

As far as girl thinking guys only want sex well its cause women only look for that and cause most guys have a higher sex drive we walk into their mental trap.
Most women have sex once a month or just get turned on during thier period. Other than that no sex drive.
Most guys on the other hand feel the urge once a week generally so guys usually want it 3 times as much.
Also to many girls just want sexual attention and a close relationship but never give the guy anything.
Cause guys want things that the girl does not she hates on him for wanting things when she is happy being a constant friend who uses him for attention.

[10dsw]

They do have some points (such as the whole men getting wringed out in divorce settlements) but in general I would stay away from MGTOW. The problem I have noticed with a lot of MGTOW men are that they are massive hypocrites (no different from feminists)

[Asker]

How else should guys be happy alone?

[10dsw]

Well you have male friends, you can do hook ups, you can find an friends with benefits, etc... I guess this is another good point - a lot of MGTOW people are self-deprecating. They complain about women but don't realize that there are a ton of other options that don't involve the risks of marriage or long term relationships...

[Asker]

I have nothing agaisnt marriage or relationships, I just want to stop wanting people who don't want me.

[Asker]

I don't think women are doing anything wrong. If they were wrong they would have a hard time finding men

[10dsw]

Then don't "want" them. Distract yourself with other women. You're the perfect example of a guy who needs to be talking to 5-6 women at a time to keep himself from dumping all his eggs in one basket

[Asker]

If I can't even get a girlfriend how can I even think about getting laid

[karahiri]

plenty might say that kind of thing, but if they meet a nice guy, there's always that little bit that believes in the real thing that'll rise to the surface.

[Asker]

Why should I put up with girls calling me a pig and aneomanjzer even though I'ma virgin?

[Asker]

Like I understand "guys make the first move" sure okay, but why do I need to accept those projections? If I sit in a coffee shop alone, no girl will ask me out. If a girl sits there she probably will and because she has an abundance of chocue, she can be picky about who she accepts or not.

[Asker]

I understand there's a game, but the rules suddenly change when the guy is tall and blonde. I understand, he's a attractive that's fine but why it be honest and say "I don't like you because you're ugly" instead of "all guys are pigs, it takes special men to be with me, coincidentally they're all hotter than you thought"

[Asker]

Though*.

[Astoriana]

Aren’t you doing that by giving up and becoming a bitter asshole etc?

[Asker]

I'm not bitter. I don't resent girls. Its not like I'm gonna cut off freindships.

[Asker]

I don't like the system of having to play from a losing position based on nothing I've done.

[Asker]

It's not the girls fault, it's how they think and they're emboldened by society to think that way, I feel like if they feel I'm a sex thirsty pig, it would be better for me to do have to go through trials to change a hardstuck opinion, and better for the girls, one less "asshole" to deal with in their search for a partner.

[Astoriana]

Doesn’t seem like you actually know that many women very well if you actually think most women believe all men are horrible slathering beasts.

[Asker]

When I go out with freinds who are girls they start yelling that out and other girls back them up

[Astoriana]

Are they drunk when they do this?

[Asker]

Sometimes. Read posts on here too, girls stand in solidarity on that front.

[Astoriana]

And boys on here say that all women are slutty gold diggers, but you don’t see girls behaving like pissbabies because they’re getting a little negative press.

You need a thicker skin, vaquero.

[Asker]

I see girls say all men want sex and are pigs.

[Asker]

I take that back. You're right all men are wrong, all girls are right.

[Asker]

You win, what now?

[Astoriana]

Child, did you see me say that? No, you didn’t. Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s childish.

People respond to genuine people. If you’re having problems with women, it’s most likely because you come off as fake as hell.

[Asker]

Can you give me an example of my life where I asked out a girl in afake manner?

[Asker]

It's odd that you are able to know personal encounters that I've had. Judging one person's entire life on a conversation about a certain topic, preciously a reason why maybe I'm better off not bothering subjecting my self to such judgements

[Astoriana]

Wow, you really are made of porcelain, aren’t you?

You are better off without women. But more importantly, women are better off without you and your brittle skin.

[Asker]

I concur. I feel I'm better off from women because I don't want to subject myself to standing trial to prove I'm something I never was. I don't see why the right to call all men pigs and all men accepting it is so important, but that's your thing, it empowers you and you'll have your men.

[Asker]

Just answer me this, would you spend time effort and money to attempt to inoress a man who openly says "all girls are gold diggers and whores"?

[Asker]

I'm choosing to be alone, and I'm not bitter towards women and I feel I have thick skin, I could scream yell shout at women who reject me, but in understand they have personal preferences. That is fine I get it. But like I said multiple times, I don't want to apporach girls who have an opinion who think all men are woninizers and pigs and prove I'm not that when I give no evidence o being that except for that I'm a male.

[Asker]

I want to be alone to be happy, you want me to be alone out of spite. Think about that. I don't wish harm or I'll feelings on anyone.

[jontron504]

Stfu Astoriana, I have seen your other comments, you're just a mouth breathing thot.

[Astoriana]

Asker, you’re definitely bitter. Everything you have said has been bitter. You definitely don’t have a thick skin either because you fly off the handle at the slightest provocation.

[Asker]

I think I've kept my compsure and aticulated my points, I'm sorry you feel otherwise.

[Asker]

You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

[Astoriana]

You haven’t though. If you kept your composure, you wouldn’t have a) spammed me when you didn’t agree with something or (b) jumped to ridiculous conclusions every time I tried to make a suggestion.

Be alone, then, dude. You’ve created a reality in which women hate men. Doesn’t make it true.

[Asker]

Would you put in time effort and money to convince a man to give you chance at dating after he yells "ALL GIRLS ARE WHORES" in a bar?

[Astoriana]

Would you take the words of a person who is slurring their words and swaying at face value?

[jsdfreedom]

They have some valid points (marriages aren't very beneficial to men, divorces GROSSLY favor women, alimony and child support in their current state are bullshit, and child visitation is a joke that only allows dads to see their kids 4 days per month).

They also point out a lot of societal double standards between men and women.

However they get so overwhelmed with fear and anger that they grow to violently and viciously hate all women. They have become the toxic, mirror-image counterpart of the neo-feminists.

Don't get me wrong, there are some absolutely, horribly shitty women in the world. But there are also shitty men. And many of the women I know personally are very sweet, caring, hardworking, loyal, smart, just all-around wonderful people.

Extremist MGTOW would deny the existence of these wonderful women, and they truly believe any human with a vagina is a selfish, hateful, demonic creature.

[FinalVow]

Guys do the same thing to women but I do understand what you mean. I currently have 0 interest in sex and no interest in a shallow ass relationship I want a meaningful one that is serious. But as a 22 year old male if I don't want to sleep around and be a manwhore or I don't objectify women, or I don't degrade them I am apparently gay according to most "men"

[NerdInDenial]

It's a good strategy for men who want to protect themselves in this gynocentric society. It's actually a good positive route for men who are "bitter." MGTOW is also not third wave feminism; people involved in MGTOW do not care to change the laws and realize they cannot.

[Anonymous]

No they don't have a point.

I see way more guys say girls say all men are pigs than actual women saying all men are pigs. Yes some women hate all men just as some men hate all women. Get over it. MGTOW are middle aged ugly dudes who are too anti-social to go out and act pleasant around women to attract a woman and they blame women for their own horribleness.

[Pineapple_Boy]

Bro the majority of women don't think that way. If you actually have one on one conversations with women in real life , you'll realize this. So stop reading/believing dumb shit on the Internet, which is written by a small percentage of bitter women.

[jay001]

There are some fantastic girls out there who dont believe any of thst nonsense, just unfortunately these people like to get their voices heard so people start making generalisations about all women

[BroncoBill]

MGTOW is a knee-jerk reaction to the 3rd wave feminism. A black pill if you will. Ironically, saying what you want up front may have some walking away, but is the basis for a much better relationship.

[RegularTK421]

They have some valid points, but too many go overboard. I think they are on point about alimony and divorce laws though.

[Asker]

Not even for that, just starting to date is a trial in it's self. At this stage in miltlofe I'm alone, and I rather make it alone by choice instead if feeling lonely

[Aroso]

Mgtow is a bunch of nice guys who love being men and are confident even without the Company of men.

[Krumpir]

Yeah, they do. Point when they are playing football, basketball, tennis...

[ThePundertaker]

Every side has its own point. They can be good and bad

[Anonymous]

Nah, girls don't give a damn. Neither can you. This is just the way it is. Just learn not to give a damn because they don't. And they won't. Figure out how to get yours and then move on.

[Tohhru]

3rd wave feminism but for guys

[hasrett]

No one really cares.

[Asker]

Thanks for your input.

[hasrett]

You're welcome.

[Asker]

I'm understand your in the power position, so nothing of this will affect you, but guys have feelings and lives of their own, there are some people who do care even if you don't. I appreciate your opinion and reply though.

[hasrett]

Guys who decide they don't want to have anything to do with women because they were rejected few (or more than few) times are crybabies.
That's all.

[Asker]

Would you put effort in trying to ask out a man who openly says "all girls are cheating whores"?

[Asker]

I would gladly put effort into someone who would judge me as a person not on my gender.

[hasrett]

Do you really expect any other answer except no?

[hasrett]

I see where you're going with that though.

[hasrett]

But since I answer is directed only towards one specific type of person, and your is dirsected towards half of the population, I'd say it's not really comparable.

[hasrett]

my*, not I

[Malik00]

You do realize you're not helping your case by blatantly attacking them right?

[hasrett]

Don't worry, I know exactly what I said.

[Asker]

I asked it like that to show you what it looks like from my point of view. As a girl you don't really have to put yourself out there to be rejected in order to date, I hear plenty of times girls try asking out a guy, get rejected and say "I'll never ask a guy out again" but guys still ask them out. That doesn't happen for guys. If a girl does ask me out, I would consider dating her, but the chances of that happening are extremely low.

[Asker]

I know she isn't "attacking" me. She thinks I'm being a baby, but I'm trying to explain to her my thinking on why I think these things.

[Asker]

I understand why she thinks I'm a baby, "he hasn't a girlfriend so he's just trying to spin it instead of trying again" she's partially correct , but there's more to it, and I'm hoping I can convey that to her.

[Malik00]

I wouldn't waste your time.

[hasrett]

If a guy asks me out and I don't like him I will say no. I see no problem with that.
If a girl asks you out and you'll say yes just because maybe you'll never get asked out again after that is idiotic to me.
I'm sorry but I can't pity you for that. MGTOW might have a few fair points (divorce, alimony, child custody etc.), but I see your only reasoning is girls rejecting you when you ask them out. Which is ridiculous especially considering your age.

[Malik00]

I think you're missing the point... it has more to do with the fact that when it comes to relationships women pretty much hold all the cards.
Eventually Women are gonna eventually be able to get with someone just because they are women, Men kind of have to strut around like a peacock and prove that they are worth their time like its some sort of prestigious honor to date this woman.
I mean lets be real here how much harder do women have to work then men to get hooked up with someone?

[hasrett]

Yeah it's really not a concearn of mine.

[Asker]

It has nothing to do with a girl rejecting me for not liking me, that's completely fair. It has to do with me having to prove to them I'm not what their preconceived notion of what I am.

[Malik00]

Right of course it isn't...

[Asker]

She said "no one cares" and she's absolutely correct.

Why would or should she care about a system where her opinions (fact based or not) help her get what she wants.

If a girl likes tall guys and says "all short guys are demonic creatures and should die off" she'll end up with a tall Man and have a happy life.

[Asker]

In under Malik00, I figured this out while talking to her. Girls will think what they want, you can't change their mind, they are always right

[hasrett]

Look, both of you.
Stop whining.

[Asker]

I'm not whining, I'm defending your opinion.

[Asker]

He feels you're being unreasonable, I think your point is valid.

[hasrett]

Awesome then.

[Malik00]

I'm gonna be honest You're the kind of woman i would honestly wanna avoid, so you wouldn't have to worry about me trying to ask you out anyway.
And just to save us some time I'm gonna predict what you're gonna say which will likely be something along the lines of "Good, I don't wanna waste my time on a crybaby like you anyway" Or something along those lines.

[hasrett]

@Malik00 honesty appreciated.

[jontron504]

You care enough to reply. So your logic fails.

[hasrett]

@jontron504 You have a point there.
Let me rephrase myself: 'Outside of internet, no one really cares'.

[jontron504]

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know, nor do i care what the opinion of the lesser sex is.

[hasrett]

@jontron504 still you cared enough to reply.

[jontron504]

No I care about the subject. But not your personal opinion.

[hasrett]

My personal opinion is what you replied to.

[Pineapple_Boy]

@hasrett 💪😂😂😂
Wanna go out for some skittles?

[jontron504]

Yes, I replied, that does not mean i care about it, i care about the topic at hand, we been over this.

[hasrett]

@Pineapple_Boy you know I do. 😄💪

[lsaiah]

It has no point or direction