Could a woman "hitting the wall" be a man's ultimate revenge fantasy?

[MzAsh]

I recently published an article titled, Why Some Men Are So Infatuated With Women "Hitting The Wall"

In it, I gave a basic explanation about what "hitting the wall" means and why some men often like to use it as an attempt at a power grab over women. (Mostly men associated with mgtow, incels, and the red pill community)

"In this context, for those of you who don’t know, “hitting the wall” refers to when a woman has reached a point in her life where she is no longer as attractive as she used to be, often due to aging or lifestyle choices. It is said to be around this same time when she realizes that she can no longer compete in the dating market with younger, more attractive women."

I shared a quote from one man who confessed to why he used to bash girls he dated and "cackled maniacally" as they gained weight and lost their sexiness.

"The Wall is a badge of pride. When we talk about the women who reject us, string us along, and hurt us to the point where we are forced to reflect upon ourselves, there seems to be a common phrase along the following lines dropped it response:

“Well, wait until SHE hits the wall. She has it coming, the bitch.”

This phrase is nothing but a bitter mask to hide behind ourselves. A way to brace for the rejection, embarrassment, and difficulties of having beautiful women in your life, whether it be a harem or a single long-term relationship. Truthfully, it’s nothing but a self-defense mechanism, or hell, a wall, to protect ourselves and our masculinity.

I realized it was nothing but a way to protect my fragile ego, because my own inner self and confidence couldn’t handle a woman treating me the way they sometimes did. In a bitter state, such as after being screwed over by a girl, it’s easy to fill with rage and hope that you can channel that energy towards sending a woman head-on into The Wall."

Does this sound like the ultimate revenge fantasy for a jilted man with a fragile sense of self worth?

[AynonOMouse]

Not revenge, just reality. Many men that want a relationship and to have kids will lose interest in a woman after she passes 30. the main reason is the likelihood of the future kids not being as healthy as they should be.
For example, if she is 30 when they first start dating, they date for one year, then live together another year to see if it may work long term and last to avoid having kids with a broken home. So then she is 32 before they even start trying to have their first kid. If she somehow gets pregnant very quickly she would be 33 by the time they actually have their first kid. Then take a year off for recovery in between each kid. If they want 3 kids
That would mean she would be 37 when having their third kid if they got together when she was 30. The likelihood of it having problems is already higher, and that is assuming she was a good person during her life before and never used drugs or alcohol to damage her eggs beforehand.
That is another concern. Many people end up ding drugs or drinking lots of alcohol. It is unfortunate, but women already have their eggs so the things they do to themselves with substances can affect future children even if she hasn't done that stuff for a while.

There are plenty of women in their 30s that are physically attractive, the "wall" at least from my view, is based on biological factors and the possible health affects on future children. That is why many men that don't have kids yet but do want some are less interested in women passed 30.

I think women passed 30 would have a much better chance at a relationship if they go with a guy that already has children so that isn't much of a factor in who he wants to be with.

I don't know why someone would purposely date someone they weren't really interested in and make fun of them. That just seems unnecessarily mean.

[TonyMetal_86]

I'll keep loving my future wife the way she looks, i don't care if after decades of marriage she added weight or became less beautiful and got cellulites or her boobs not firm like they were... etc

Nothing will change for me, in contrary, her body became like that as much as she worked at home to keep my clothes clean, to keep the house tied up and clean to cook delicious food for me, to give me babies, to give me sex anytime, to raise the kids... etc

I'll appreciate it more, this lady will be forever loved by me, i prefer every wrinkle in her body on a sexy tight girl because each wrinkle in her shows how much she loved me and gave me from herself...

[Aphrodite801]

Incles and MGTOW dudes are the only ones who say that, because no woman wants them at any age. So yeah it’s their false fantasy lol

[Anonymous]

I have no doubt it is a revenge fantasy for a few guys, but for the vast majority it is just a statement of fact. Hitting the wall is a real thing and a serous issue for many women, so it's important to talk about it openly and realistically so women are not caught off guard when it happens and they can plan for it in advance.

Here are a few facts that play into it. During their 20s women hold most of the power in the dating game. They are young and attractive and have all the things men value in a mate. The table turns 180 degrees at about age 30 and suddenly men hold all the power because women their age have lost much of their appeal and men now have all the things women value in a man... maturity, stability, an established career and a solid income. Add to that the fact that younger women tend to be attracted to older men, and older men tend to be attracted to younger women. That leaves single women in their 30s in a really tough spot because they are older and less desirable than they were, plus they are now competing with younger, more desirable women who happen to be going after the men in the older women's age group. Also, most good guys who are family oriented and looking for a like minded woman have already married and settled down before age 30, making the options for 30 something women that much slimmer.

So "the wall" is a real thing for sure. It's something some incels will use as a talking point but it's certainly not just a fantasy. I'm happily married to a good girl so I don't fall into that group, and have had this discussion with lots of other guys who are definitely not the incel type. This is just a fact of life.

[MzAsh]

Maybe I’m an anomaly here but in my 20s I was certainly not looking at men older than 25, and that was pushing it.

Most guys I dated were younger. Mature, but younger. I firmly believe most women into older guys are in it for the opportunity to live better since he’ll have more money. They want to skip the struggle of dating and settle down fast. But very few men are more attractive at 35 than they are at 25.

Not that it’s their fault. I mean, we’re all human and we all age. It’s ok.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh That's a convenient belief pushed by women, because they attempt to discredit double standards that dont benifit them. Reality is men are valued for their resources and majority of men dont get resources until their 40's. What happens is as women start to age they lose value so they try to move the goalpost. That's why the only women that share this kind of advice are old women. They've past their prime and dpnt receive the attention they used to, so they have to come up w/ an excuse to keep themselves relevant.

[MzAsh]

You’re right that men are primarily valued for their resources, yet look at how unhappy women are with men. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Men focus on getting money and sex, and that’s pretty much it. And most women aren’t properly commanding men to shape up otherwise. Like mgtow men, they think dipping out will be easier than challenging their own value and odds with the opposite sex.

[Opinion Owner]

Properly commanding men? Lol

[MzAsh]

Yes. Someone who did it very poorly was Tomi Lahren when she threw her hissyfit on Facebook about how men are trash. Completely wrong approach. I understand her frustrations but girl needs to understand what a good man looks like and how to qualify him instead of ranting publicly.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh I hereby command you to stop spreading nonsense. :)

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh That's partly because a women can't command a real man to do s***t. You may convince some loser w/ no options but a man of value isn't going to waste it on some women that brings little to none. in my opinion deep down most women understand that they are annoying, so their strategy is to limit mens opportunities, in the hope's that he will tolerate them out of lack of better options. You are correct there are a ton of unhappy womeb and I tell guys this all the time a women's unhappiness is not a mans responsibility to fix. Many women are so unhappy because they refuse to take accountability for their flaws and think they can pass their problems on to men. This is why an abundance mentality is so important because once you recognize this in the women you can drop her and seamlessly move on to the next.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh I saw that rant on FB and it kind of proves my point. She's talking to men as if we haven't heard this B. S b4. She also like most women made the mistake of believing that since she is upset, we care. Reality is that video was a great teaching tool for guys like KS and myself who were able to use that to truly expose how devious a lot of women are. Think about it she's complaining about how her and her girlfriend's are so special yet it's mens fault they're single?

[MzAsh]

My point about her rant is that of making that video and giving low quality fuckboys more attention they don’t deserve, she could have hired a coach like myself to help point her in the right direction about how and where to find a decent man. Then she could have maintained a relationship with him for a while and came out on top by making an example out of him. It’s a basic success and impact strategy. Understand your mistake, correct it, then show off and show receipts.

[MzAsh]

Men are designed to be influenced by what women demand of them. Everything down to the way you dress, act, talk, think, and breathe. That’s why there was a whole movement (pua) to help wom get men, because most men NEED help. Women don’t because women naturally draw in the attention. That’s just how it is. Where women need help is in refining those options.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Unfortunately her rant and your strategy only highlight the flaws and contradictions in your methods. At the core you both are acting from a place and insecurity and hurt all in attempt to "come out on top". The reality is you guys never come out on top and the reason is you only understand one side of gender relationships while men who are successful w/ women have to understand both and a woman like TL can only be w/ a man like that. She is never going to pay you money for you to tell her to date the guy making $10/hr at the grocery store. Why would she need you to do that? And the man that she wants has already seen these games. You just proved my point from an original conversation when I explained to you all the tricks women use to try to keep men like me, at the time you claimed you wouldn't have to resort to such tactics so now are u saying you do teach women how to play games?

[MzAsh]

There’s a difference between mindfulness/strategy and playing games. I wouldn’t advise women like her towards a man like you because you’ve said yourself you’re not relationship minded. She’d be wasting her time.

[Opinion Owner]

@Vegasrunner I didn't take the time to read through all of the exchange here, but I read far enough to know you are exactly right about men of value. No self respecting man who knows his worth is going to do anything more than laugh at a woman who thinks she is going to "properly command" him to do anything. If a woman wants a low value man who has no spine and no self respect, I suppose it's good advice because that's exactly what she'll get, nothing more.

Likewise, any man who "commands" his woman to do something is either going to find himself single or with a low value doormat for a woman. And again, if that's the kind of woman a man wants, then telling him to "command" his women to do something is reasonable advice. Otherwise, it's just really, really dumb advice, for anyone.

@MzAsh You are comical.

[MzAsh]

I’m not talking about commanding as in ordering a man to do something. A woman can’t be bothered to act like a man’s mama anyway. I’m talking about when a man is enticed by a woman. When he feels compelled to yield and cooperate with her wishes and desires, and he does so willingly and gladly. For example, through history men are commanded to protect and provide for women because they know what’s what women want. And they gladly volunteer to step up and be the man women want. That’s how women command men.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh, I see. You meant entice, not command. I can see how you would get those two terms confused. Lol

[MzAsh]

The context in which I use the term is inspired by a leader I’ve followed in my area of work: Demanding Respect vs. Commanding Respect www.drchristianconte.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

It seems you misread your source there. Lol

[MzAsh]

How so?

[Opinion Owner]

To command respect means to earn it, to be deserving of it. A woman who commands respect is respectable. There is a world of difference between being respectable and "commanding" someone to do something. Women who try to "properly command men to shape up" are commonly known as cat ladies.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Your biases see a difference, simply switch the gender and you would be talking about how many games men play. Ty, because the second you tell a women there's a man she shouldn't have, that's the exact man she wants, unfortunately you dont know this because of your lack of experience. How many women have you dated?

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Agreed, however I urge guys to listen to women like @MzAsh especially when in written form, because she's giving insight into how women especially those who have been hurt act. If you go back and read, her platform is based off the fact that she was hurt in her younger days and now she's attempting to "get back at men" there are a lot of women like that out there and you need to recognize their traits and philosophies so you know how to do w/ them. I try to ask her as many questions as possible because it's free insight into the mind of a particular type of women.

[MzAsh]

To say that I’m attempting to “get back at men” is a rather paranoid and defensive position. My objective is to help relationship and marriage minded women get rid of the riffraff and become valued and respected by quality men, which are men who are above all else, relationship/marriage minded, loyal, emotionally stable, and cooperative.

[MzAsh]

And, I believe I am qualified to pursue this mission of mine because I, unlike most people, have actually maintained a harmonious long term relationship for over 15 years and have professional training as a coach and consultant.

[Opinion Owner]

@MzAsh Forgive me because I find it very hard to believe anyone trained as a dating coach would actually think it's ok to tell their clients they should "command men" to do something. That should be self evident to anyone with any common sense. It's horrible advice that will backfire with any quality, self-respecting man. As I said, if a woman wants a low value, spineless man with no self-respect then it's fine, but for most women and the type of man they want, it's horrible advice, obviously.

[MzAsh]

That’s why I said before that isn’t what I meant in the first place. Though, there are couples, such as mine where feminine leadership has its place, but it’s welcomed and respectful. I wouldn’t coach clients to order their partner around like a child, but some collaborative guidance is appropriate.

[englisc]

Those guys obsess over it precisely for that reason. They love the idea that those women who rejected them eventually "lose" in the dating game.

They think like this a lot. Some of them even fantasise about a day when the large majority of men go MGTOW and abandon women and somehow women then begin to "need" men again. Then men will get their revenge on that day. It's ridiculous of course.

Most people have similar ideas though I think, men and women. Christians believe in heaven or hell. Others believe in karma. People like to delude themselves into thinking that some outside force will punish those who they think have wronged them in some way, usually when they feel powerless to do so themselves. That's all this is.

[Passinggas]

Revenge? NO... I don't care really except I find it ironic how men have to earn their sexual market value (smv) with time and effort while women have their smv handed to them right away (probably at 15) and they seem to piss it away and then have to pay the Pied Piper later. Does it really make sense that some women are freezing their eggs? Nature is a cruel bitch.

[Liam_Hayden]

What is really funny is how the ones who push this are usually total losers who could not get a woman if they were handing out pardons on a women's death row.

[0112358]

Sure.

It's also the flip side that for most guys, to some extent, when they hit the dating world in teens/early 20s, they … don't do great, and they actually have to work on themselves before they get more success. That can leave them feeling a little bit jaded. You can see the same thing with, for instance, women who lose weight and suddenly get more attention. It's good, but also a little … cheap.

[Max_SS]

Call it a revenge fantasy if you want. Many men feel that they're brutally rejected or used by women when they're younger and so once they see these women, who once rejected them start chasing after them, they can't help but feel upset or feel a sense of satisfaction.

[Vegasrunner]

If that's the definition of hitting the wall than it's hist reality. A young, broke, dumb 21 year old woman had more value to society than a smart, financially stable, 35 year old. It's just a standard relationship double standard it's just that women struggle to accept double standards that dont benifit them.

[MzAsh]

A young, broke, dumb 21 year old *girl* may be more “valuable” to a weak, low quality male who wants sex or babies with a woman too foolish to know she can do better. But that is the the only way she holds more value than an older, smarter, or financially stable woman.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh They're more valuable because society values them more. You see this a lot in a television news mediums, the male anchors host are usually in their 40's 50's while female host are usually in their 20's and are looking to be replaced as they reach their late 30's and 40's. You can use any emotional rhetoric you want to make you feel better, however this is how society operates. There are plenty of double standards that benifit women and no one bats an eye, yet a man is weak because he has standards? Also claiming that a hypothetical women "can do better" highlights why so many women are miserable. Every loser in Vegas thinks "they can do better" reality is your ability to attract a HV lies in your beauty and youth and as that fades so does your value. in my opinion you're holding on to this false belief that HV men are sitting around just hoping to take any women when the reality is men like myself have more options than ever allowing us to pick and choose the women we want. You see this in the news w/ Ume the Boston Celtics HC (a former teammate of mine by the way) everyone is all shocked that he cheated on Nia Long except for Nia Long and all the other people involved in Basketball who understand that he is going to look to replace her as soon as she starts aging. I can see why it frustrates your business model but it's the reality of the world. Live w/ it is lose.

[MzAsh]

In the article, I refer to a man who plainly admits to being weak and vengeful when it comes to his views on women and the wall. I firmly believe his view is the standard among men who have this point of view. Women aren’t sitting around placing value on the opinion of weak men who just want to see women who once rejected them fail later in life. That’s the exact type of man women don’t find attractive.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh I can certainly understand why you place value on his view, because it aligns w/ yours. This is a common trait of weak people regardless of gender. I've provided you my POV and based on what you said you have no more connection to that man than you do to me, yet you've chosen to take his as more valid. Also you've contradicted yourself, you claim women aren't placing value on weak men, yet you literally are posting an article and validating the open of a self admitted weak man.

[MzAsh]

The purpose of my post was to say, you see these men obsessed with women hitting the wall? Could it be a revenge fantasy? Likely, and here’s one man that eventually grew the balls to admit it. He may be stronger than most.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh The fact that you could only find one person too even acknowledge this invalidates your belief. In addition you've chosen to ignore anyone else who provides you w/ a different perspective. So if one person tells you the sky is green does that make it green?

[MzAsh]

I’m sure I could find more if I wanted to. This guy’s testimony fell in my lap. It’s not that I ignore all other opinions. I acknowledge them. I just don’t necessarily believe them all.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh That's my point. His opinion falls in line w/ your personal belief. Options that dont you either ignore or discredit. What I find most ironic is typically when you're presented w/ info that doesn't benifit your belief you respond w/ typical female emotional buzzwords insecure, weak etc. Yet ironically the man that shares your POV somehow havs value?

[MzAsh]

It has value because he shares a truth that so many refuse to share.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Lol, that is false. He is sharing his POV and that is all. If that was true then by definition you have to except anyone's opinion as the truth. What you are doing is specifically searching for someone who shares your opinion and then trying to pretend as if it is a "truth". The truth regarding this subject is actually what I initially told you, the proof is literally every visual medium in the world. If women dont lose value at that age, why are they replaced on television by younger women? Why do we let younger women get into clubs for free, while forcing women in their 30's and up to wait in GA lines (It's an actual nightclub policy at the top clubs around the world). While do bars like Hooters, Twin Peaks etc have age expiration dates for only the female servers in their contract? These things are called evidence. Yet yours is 1 anonymous persons opinion?

[MzAsh]

Whoops guess this one got lost in my notifications. I don’t go clubs unless I’m being paid to be there for my LED or fire performances, so I wouldn’t know anything about that as a common club goer. He’s not an anonymous person. I know him and I actually used to collab with him.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh That's the standard response women who have hit the wall make no one mentioned anything about you going to clubs, in fact to my point at your age you dont have any value to the club anyway so no one is asking you to go. The fact that you know him makes him even more of an outlier as his POV is coming from a man that voluntarily spends time w/ a misandrist.

[MzAsh]

I don’t need “value” to go to a club. I could go to have a good time if I wanted to. However, I only go as the entertainment. I don’t pay to get in. They pay me.

[Vegasrunner]

@MzAsh Nice attempt to move the goalpost, however the club anology is simply one anology that contradicts your POV. Also whether you personally go to clubs is irrelevant as at your age you don't have any value to the venue anyway. But once again look at the contradiction. Someone says something you like, they are to be believed at face value, someone says something you dont like and let the justifying and backpedaling began. Honestly you do a better job validating my point than your own. Is there any other part you dont like that you would like to personalize?

[DWD94]

I guess you could look at it as a 'revenge fantasy'. I think its a form of ultimate karma though when it happens to women who acted like they're hot shit, and acted stuck up and like they were God's gift to men. You can't deny that it's satisfying seeing those type of women fall from grace.

[HereIbe]

Some women become divas, queens, matriarchs, and GILFs. They never hit the wall. Other women hit the wall, and they usually made choices that put them right up on it.

Now, if some woman who wronged me in the past manages to fix her issues and become a diva, I'm not unhappy. If, instead, she keeps making bad choices and hits the wall, I might have a bit of naughty pleasure, but not much--only a smirk's worth.

[almondcake]

Can I ask are you here for material or do you benefit from the advice and friendship you find too. Is it ok to ask you this?

[MzAsh]

I come here to share advice, content, ideas, build clientele, friendships, and mess around when I have free time too.

[almondcake]

Ok thats cool , I was just curious ☺

[Dolemite510]

I just think it’s funny if a girl was a hot brat that got whatever she wanted when she was younger now she has a couple kids and guys don’t want her 🤷‍♂️

[Anonymous]

Who cares? I mean really. Who even pays any attention to women who have hit the wall? No one really notices her or cares. Gosh.

[TadCurious]

Yeah it does. It's a sick thing.

[esotericstory]

I think its mainly meant for trolling.