Did Trump Try To Overthrow The Election, Or Did Joe Biden and Dominion/Election Fraud Goons cheat?

[WilliamPamer446]

Trump Tried to Overthrow the Election and Undermine Democracy

Joe Biden, Dominion, Election Fraud Goons all conspired to overthrow the Election

Dont know

Who cares

[MCheetah]

I can't believe how many people are stupid enough to believe Trump tried to overthrow the election despite the mountains of evidence showing election fraud happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKagkbVwdHc&list=PL27C5745FF7FC0477&index=1&t

[WilliamPamer446]

Show me election fraud evidence in a private message, please. I knew I wasn't crazy. I asked this question in a neutral way to see what people thought and see if I could ask a neutrally, civilly balanced question, because I know this is liek the most contentious topic of asll time

[MCheetah]

It's literally all in the video I posted. And the source isn't a fan of Donald Trump, either.

[I_Can_Help]

@mcheetah if there was fraud, the recounts, audits and court cases would have revealed it. We are over a year away from the election now. Stop spreading lies. You are sinning with every lie you tell.

@WilliamPamer446 Why would you believe a lying stranger on the internet? C'mon dude, get your life together.

[MCheetah]

@I_Can_Help
You're clearly Special Needs, so either watch the video or leave me alone.

[Kstiz2287]

They are both crooks and America is perpetually in a deathgrip between two parties that are churning out more and more radical supporters all the time with no viable alternatives. Much bigger changes than either of them would ever even think of doing has to happen for it to make a significant difference, and hopefully before the USA gets so polarized that things fall apart.

[WilliamPamer446]

Its gonna split in two man, or three our four or five, the less radical people need a place to move if things get really really bad during the divided states division, and then it will be the Red States of America and the Blue States of America and the alternative people like the racist alt right people who wanna occupy the Midwest and the others like me the Libertarian Liberal Traditionalist

[taylorallen]

Who cares. In reality there's always someone above the presidents and either way, the same shit happens regardless of whichever president is in control. There's always someone telling them what to do. Doesn't matter what happened.

[WilliamPamer446]

Yeah but Trump was bypassing them the best he could, and had his own deep state to fight them off

[WilliamPamer446]

Joe BIden is just a complete puppet

[WilliamPamer446]

Some presidents actually tried to be free. Like John F Kennedy. And thats why he was killed.

[supercutebutt]

Zero proof that the election was stolen. All lies and shameful propaganda. Trump is a clown and his cultists are babies. :) Fat Boy lost in a landslide. :)

[WilliamPamer446]

Alright, but I think its kinda funny that there's zero proof for anything Joe Biden says

[supercutebutt]

Joe Biden tells you that getting vaccinated will help prevent you from dying or getting seriously ill from COVID. He is right. He is also right that Donald Trump is a filthy liar.

[WilliamPamer446]

Alright, but is anything else he said correct, or not a half truth?

[supercutebutt]

Joe Biden doesn't spend his days lying to us. That's what Trump did. Trump is just a fatter, oranger Nixon.

[WilliamPamer446]

Alright you can talk the talk but im asking you to show me proof.

[supercutebutt]

Proof of what, that Joe Biden won the 2020 Election?

[WilliamPamer446]

No that joe biden never lies. I'm not ready to debate that until I can gain and share more information.

[WilliamPamer446]

No that joe biden never lies, and that Trump always lies. Im not ready for that debate. I'm autistic and overwhelmed, please be respectful. I asked this question to see what you guys thought to civilly discuss, not to be berated. Im not saying you disrespected im just asking you to because im overwhelmed

[supercutebutt]

This is what you need to know: Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in the 2020 US Presidential Election. Anybody who says Trump won is a liar. Why? Because he lost. OK?

[WilliamPamer446]

This is my question and you dont get to say "this is what happened because"

[WilliamPamer446]

You have to explainyourself dont get cocky and condescending onmy post Iwasbeing respectful and you are not

[God_of_Thunder]

Until/unless widescale cheating can be proven, and multiple audits, lawsuits, and recounts have been unable to do so, Trump tried to overturn a legitimate election.

[WilliamPamer446]

Fair point. I am hoping we can all come together to civilly discuss this, I know this is a contentious topic with a lot of strong feelings one way or the other.

[God_of_Thunder]

I'm all for civil discourse, myself.

I don't personally identify with the Left or Right, but I'm definitely no fan of Trump's. I do understand that others are, though, and I respect their opinion, even if I disagree with it, as long as they respect mine.

That being said, I don't believe the election was fraudulent, but if evidence emerges that were to prove there was legitimate cheating, I would agree that something should be done about it.

Even though I vehemently dislike Trump, I accepted the results of the 2016 election, and would have accepted his re-election, should he have been declared the winner in Nov '20, or if fraud were to be found.

I just think that, after all this time, if legitimate fraud had occured, it would have been discovered by now. Thus, I think the election was lawful, and over with at this point.

[WilliamPamer446]

Ok can we continue this convo in private message I feel more comfortable doing that there. I'm autistic and I get stressed out when people see me say certain stuff.

[God_of_Thunder]

You're welcome to send me a message, if you'd prefer. I can understand not wanting to be stressed.

I'm happy to talk, but I don't know how much more I can add to what I've already said. 🤷‍♂️

[jshm2]

That's a false dichotomy, kiddo. Get a reality check

Trump DID try and bring unproven claims to court, and was thrown out each time.

Biden and Dominion were never found to be in breach of any election rules.

[Anonymous]

[WilliamPamer446]

This countrys gonna go out of buisness if we keep playin with the bad guys and dont take them out

[Anonymous]

At this point who cares? The last 2 elections the losing side immediately accused the other of cheating. At this point time has passed it's like trying to argue Bush vs Gore in 2000.

[WilliamPamer446]

I care because this great contentious issue has great consequences for our civilization, moving forward or backward.

[WilliamPamer446]

If it was like Bush vs Gore id just let it go

[Opinion Owner]

Why is the Bush vs Gore cheating debacle not worth fighting over but Russia fraud in 2016 and Dominion voting fraud in 2020 worth fighting for?

[WilliamPamer446]

All fraud is worth fighting for when it affects our civilization in a negative way.

[WilliamPamer446]

I mean, its worth fighting against. You kinda tricked me there

[OddBeMe]

I’d say Trump’s intellectually deficient brain prob thought he actually won, but made decisions to break the law, like ordering Georgia to “find” him votes.

[I_Can_Help]

Trump has been a narcissist and a liar his entire life. You do the math.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Unknown. I don’t look into stuff like this. I’m usually busy making my own stuff the look into. Just began making my own Dinosaur Card Game, and Fan Dabby Dozy if I do say so myself.

[msc545]

Trump is a mentally ill criminal and behaved that way.

[JohnK123]

We didn’t cheat Bc y’all closed polls where dems were

[FunkyMonkee]

Joe cheated!! No two ways about it!!

[emperor90]

No who cares