You say hate comments will be deleted but you say any woman that doesn't agree with feminism loves oppression and hates their gender lol. If you start a debate by already assigning things to the other side people won't take you seriously. If you don't understand something ask in a way that leaves the possibility open that you don't know everything and they might have a valid reason for thinking the way they do that comes across a lot better.
Because the left only loves strong independent women when they agree with their narrative. And strong independent women that go with their narrative only matter until there's a male competing in womens sports as a women. Then all of a sudden real women don't matter and it's annoying. That's why I hate feminism.
No it's because based on the sole criterion of production of reproductive cells, there are two and only two sexes. Now I'd appreciate it, if you'd take your asininity somewhere else.
No one is shoving labels if your birth certificate say male or female that is what you are. End of story. I've said it once and I'll say it once more. Take your fatuity elsewhere. Clearly you have a cerebral disability that impedes your understanding. And that can't be helped.
You'd think preventing men from competing in women's sports would be something the feminists would be all for. 😂 That right there should show anyone how shit-diculous feminists are
Read her sign. She's not a victim. I'm a big supporter of first wave feminism. Women are men's equals, voting rights, right to work, equal protection under the law, etc.
The extreme wing of the latest wave of feminism frames women as victims and men as oppressors. It champions a woman's right to choose as long as their choices are in line with the movement's message of injustice and male oppression. They criticize women who choose traditional roles or don't think how they think.
Unfortunately, it is always the extreme wing of any movement that shouts the loudest.
The meaning of it itself is skewed by many people over time, so there are very extreme sides to it.
Obsessing over singling out gender-specific terms like "feminists" and "patriarchy" will probably pull our society backwards even further. Feminism would probably only work temporarily for one sided places like Afghanistan.
Why not egalitarianism and ignore gender when it comes to merits, rather than putting our grandmas efforts in vain and achieving something at least equitable? Actions speak louder than words sometimes.
Because they identify 3rd wave feminism as petulant, biased, hypocritical, intellectually dishonest and ultimately detrimental to women worldwide.
Worthwhile women aren't anxiety ridden losers who cry from the safety of their bedrooms. Actual successful women go to school, get PhDs, get a good career, outperform the shit out of men academically and professionally by their own merit, because they identify that it is how you secure your own worth in the world.
Those women don't support feminism because feminism actually undermines their achievements. Feminism doesn't believe in self-determinism, merit or personal accountability. Feminism is about crying and rolling yourself on the floor until things are served to you on a silver platter.
Feminism in its most basic and fundamental form is about choice. The choice to either work and have a career or to be a homemaker and raise a family. It is impossible to do both equally well simultaneously. What I think has happened is that a very vocal minority of feminists are perceived to have hijacked the movement and leading it more towards entitlism and misandry. Men have realized this and are hence decreasing their interaction with women, especially long-term relationships (LTRs) and marriage.
So women are finding it harder to become financially stable without the safety net of marriage. Now just like men, women are looking at the prospects of homelessness, having to work beyond retirement age, and living alone. So, there is a backlash against the radical advocates of feminism, to return it back to what it originally was, choice.
Because I don't need to be a part of a movement for rights we already have, and I'm not actively engaged with the feminism of other countries. Sure there's moments of sexism, but both ways. I stand up against either when I see it happening in front of me. And this is just why I don't need it for myself. When it comes to feminist of the western world, most of them are obsessed with incorrect facts, victimizing themselves, and putting down men. It's like being a part of the kkk and saying "oh I'm for everything except the racist stuff"
I think that some women are interested in traditional gender roles and logically doesn't want to have people mostly feminist attack them.
While others are actually feminist and prefer making their own decisions and not be stuck having to rely on others so it is mostly depends on the women what they want in life.
I think they are aware how the 4th wave of feminism is bluring the line between feminism and misandry. And know having a husband is better than not having any. Plus the fear guys are willing to go gay over dating women is probably the largest reason. And the fact feminism points out issues but is very lack luster when it come to coming up with actual solutions to the massive number of claimed issues. Also feminism sets a dangerous precident that men should fear women which is only going to make the dating scene even more difficult. When the guy will literally bolt like you are a freak after saying you are a feminist it's pretty much clear at that point what the issue is.
People forget the meaning and cause. Therefore hate it or change it's narrative into hate then it's helped by extremists such as Red Pill and Scum Manifesto. A smart person ignores that hate and keeps true to the meaning. Suffragettes are great, feminism is great.
They're probably against modern feminism because they can see how oppressive it is towards the men they love. Modern feminism only cares about women recieving special treatment. No longer equal treatment because they've already achieved that when they were needed. Now that they're no longer needed in America, they've resorted to the only thing they could. Demonizing men so that those men will fight back against said demonization and then modem feminists can use that to claim that men are oppressing them. They also make up false definitions of what it means to be a feminist today. You can't attack something that sounds righteous without being the bad guy.
What you don't understand. LOL. oppression? sure if woman are treated less... But it's 2022. We're all equal now.. feminism is now no longer needed, so that's why they would leave this feminism movement, it's un-needed, simply leaving the group won't cause oppression LOLIt's now become a supremacy hate group, sort of like the KKK,. feminists think woman are better than men and want more rights, they are becoming toxicThat's why you will see many decent woman leaving this movement, they don't wanna be a part of a negative toxic hate group that is no longer needed.
It's very easy to look at a vague definition of feminism and think it's arbitrarily a good thing. The problem though is that modern feminism has basically nothing to do with empowering, promoting, or defending women and spends much greater effort actually destroying femininity entirely while also attacking men or even other women who don't fully concede. It has nothing to do with equal protection by law or any other measure, it only vaguely "supports" women by demanding special treatment, and is overall much more in line with a grift that exploits useful idiots for the enrichment of a select few at the top on the foundation of a manipulative lie, which unfortunately is the reality for the majority of so-called social justice activist groups.
Hell, I'm a man and I can't tell why more men aren't feminists. Closing the pay gap, for one example, sure would help with the bills every month for dual income households...
Because modern feminism is embarrassing as fuck. Like why on earth would it be offensive to call women "females" or have a man open a door for you? I want NO PARTS in whatever the fuck these women are arguing about nowadays. Feminism is just a joke now. It's what small minded women use to complain about any and everything that isn't relevant.
No kidding this is my thoughts exactly people keep going on about this small majority well every girl I met who is a feminist has a very atypical view of men. And a fair few of them are also lesbians and it's like my god it makes me sick.
I still remember us talking about walking dead and various other zombie movies and how the girls are all hot and running half naked and in the next sentence was saying about how hot Thor is in the shower scene. When I said aren't you angry that he's half naked purposely put there for girls and gays to ogle him. No so he should be - like what? She was talking to me for half an hour about girls shouldn't have their tits out in movies but then is happy to watch a male do it. And it's people like that is the reason I hate the word or association of feminists, I can't stand it.
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The same reason some men are against patriarchy.
A lot of people link feminism to misandry, and in some cases they are right. Too many women assume though that to be a "good" feminist you must be lesbian or a misandrist.
That flies in the face of reality. Sure, things are not ideal for all women. But for most, things are a lot better, and improving, than they were, say, 50 odd years ago.
Because now some women have flipped feminism to hating men, real feminism is equality of the genders, they really ruined it, I’m a feminist in the real way EQUALITY not man hating
Honey, honey. You seem to mistake killing for murder. They aren't the same thing. Also you don't get to ignore the definition of something just because it contradicts your bullshit
Murder: the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.
Killing: the act of ending a life, sometimes deliberately.
For abortion to be murder, it would have to clear a few hurdles.
1. It would need to be illegal to do, which it is not. So right there it couldn't be murder, even if the other hurdles were met.
2. For malice aforethought, it would require a mindset and mentality to cause a death via anger or hatred. Those seeking abortion only want an end to pregnancy, which is not malicious.
3. A legal excuse is not required, as it is their human right to reproductive choice.
Like it or not, abortion is not murder. It is merely killing. Continuing to claim it is murder is literally wilful ignorance and rather stupid. Call it what it is, or just honestly shut up about it and don't argue with people who know more than you do.
Don't like it? Oppose it? Cool, you do you. I'm not here to change your opinion, I'm teaching you correct vocabulary so you don't sound like someone from a trailer park.
Malice or not changes nothing. So if a woman kills het infant because she decided that she has different plans then it is not murder because it was not out of anger or hatred?
Correct it is my opinion. But they feed off us, like a fetus, because they're both parasites. That is a biological fact. But of course you'll disregard or argue that too.
Lol reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I see. I literally just told you that biologically, a fetus IS a parasite. Yet another fact you disregard, and I called it when I said you'd argue it and disregard it. Thanks for being predictable
Killing a parasite is not murder. Killing the unborn is murder because it is a human being. Using its mother's nutrients doesn't make it a non human being. It has 2 human beings DNA
Correct killing a parasite isn't murder, just like abortion.
Honey, truly, pay attention. I literally just said that being a parasite doesn't mean it isn't human. I suggest actually reading before replying:) because otherwise you're just letting others see just how ignorant you are.
Honey I don't need to address it because that was never contested to begin with. I said repeatedly that it was human, and repeatedly that parasitism doesn't make it non human. Do pay attention.
Correct finally, but that only applies to born humans or fetuses in third trimester when they become viable outside the womb, when abortion is not performed unless necessary to save the woman's life.
I love watching you grasp at straws. It's hilarious lol
In some circumstances, correct. But not always, as has been repeatedly explained to you. But abortion is not one of those circumstances. If it was, I would be in jail a few times over. But here I am, free as a bird.
No you really haven't lol I'm just tired of your repetitive nonsense and constantly going off topic. So, you'll either learn something or you'll have your shit removed.
Be glad, I don't usually waste my time teaching the ignorant.
It doesn't need any convincing, because I've never murdered anyone. But hey, you do you. I sleep like a baby knowing I'm not bogged down by some brat I don't want.
I said that slavery was legal but did legality make it fine? So bringing up legality of abortion is not a good argument that abortion is fine just because it is legal.
You're thinking in terms of coin toss, the life you're giving is either good or bad, when in reality good life is just one of the possibilities... And the probability is reduced when the parenthood isn't a planned one
@marish01 we don't "think", we "know". Workaholics, minors, abusers etc would become shit parents. It's not a movie where they can achieve happy wholesome endings, nor is it trial error experiment on a live doll
So you're teaching kids how to be survivors of abuse? Lmao.
And what about mother's life? You'd agree there a shit ton your mommy sacrificed to raise you (considering she wanted you, or was forced to have you lol).
My mom never got an abortion and she is very proud of keeping her babies. But even if she was forced to give birth to me or was abusive to me I would still choose to live.
I'm saying don't bring them to world. Don't do your experiments.
Where would your pro life mentality would go when they commit suicide after some time? Would you find satisfaction in knowing you tried? And should people exist for you to say you tried, just for your relief?
I told you that I value my life because I LOVE LIFE. If I were raped I would still think I deserve life. No scumbag can make me think my life is not worthy. Abuse never diminishes one's right to life.
We should let all abused, bullied, raped people know that they deserve love and that what happens to them doesn't diminish their right to life. We should also shame abusive women like we shame rapists.
Think about how everyone knows what's going on in the catholic church but yet the church keeps denying it and defending pedophiles. 99,9 % of Christians themselves hate pedos just as much as everyone else does, but the fact that the church itself goes so far to cover it up and refuses to do anything about it makes non-Christians extremely wary of the entire religion. It's like that. When the majority of feminists who AREN'T extreme completely ignore the bad apples and continue to let them use that term to justify their own bigotry without ever calling them out, people - both men and women - are going to start distancing themselves from the ideology.
In India a famous actress and feminist ( pseudo- feminist to be exact) named Neha Dhupia berated a male contestant who claimed to have slapped his girlfriend for cheating on him and her reaction was 'It's her choice'. According to her a girl can have boyfriends as many as she wants but a male partner has to be loyal with her and he can't accuse her of having many boyfriends. She is very hypocritical about her statement. Her critics accused her of misrepresenting what feminism and gender equality stand for. This is exactly what today's feminism Is. Government already gave many rights to women, in todays world a women can do whatever she wants from education to job, business to atheletes. I think there is no need for feminists now in developed countries like America. Feminist are needed in developing and underdeveloped countries.
And I have a question why feminists talk about the conditions of women in middle eastern countries. Some so called feminist take the whole Twitter for pity issues but when it comes to Islamic countries and conservative countries then they are nowhere to be seen.
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You say hate comments will be deleted but you say any woman that doesn't agree with feminism loves oppression and hates their gender lol. If you start a debate by already assigning things to the other side people won't take you seriously. If you don't understand something ask in a way that leaves the possibility open that you don't know everything and they might have a valid reason for thinking the way they do that comes across a lot better.
Because the left only loves strong independent women when they agree with their narrative. And strong independent women that go with their narrative only matter until there's a male competing in womens sports as a women. Then all of a sudden real women don't matter and it's annoying. That's why I hate feminism.
Not true
Sorry but it kinda is. Remember what sephora did to Amanda Ensing?
Dunno
We don't specifically love the strong ones, we just pay more attention to them because naturally, society is on its way to crush them
Well it isn't fair to real women who want to succeed
I'm sorry I lost you when you used "real"
Well a man cannot be a women science clearly states that. Just saying. ''trust the science''
Do elaborate
If you can't figure out why a man can't be a women you need to go back to school
No I don't. I can just go out and tell men about this and insult them.
Because being called a girl is the greatest insult to a man lmao
No it's because based on the sole criterion of production of reproductive cells, there are two and only two sexes. Now I'd appreciate it, if you'd take your asininity somewhere else.
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Nailed it! Absolute truth.
So you'd shove labels down their throat. Who's to blame, chromosomes?
No one is shoving labels if your birth certificate say male or female that is what you are. End of story. I've said it once and I'll say it once more. Take your fatuity elsewhere. Clearly you have a cerebral disability that impedes your understanding. And that can't be helped.
It is an absolute travesty that men are dressing up like women and taking away women's achievements in sports.
We're at a point where society is denying biological reality.
You'd think preventing men from competing in women's sports would be something the feminists would be all for. 😂 That right there should show anyone how shit-diculous feminists are
@Heartache0405 #facts
@Juxtapose it's sad
Read her sign. She's not a victim. I'm a big supporter of first wave feminism. Women are men's equals, voting rights, right to work, equal protection under the law, etc.
The extreme wing of the latest wave of feminism frames women as victims and men as oppressors. It champions a woman's right to choose as long as their choices are in line with the movement's message of injustice and male oppression. They criticize women who choose traditional roles or don't think how they think.
Unfortunately, it is always the extreme wing of any movement that shouts the loudest.
The meaning of it itself is skewed by many people over time, so there are very extreme sides to it.
Obsessing over singling out gender-specific terms like "feminists" and "patriarchy" will probably pull our society backwards even further. Feminism would probably only work temporarily for one sided places like Afghanistan.
Why not egalitarianism and ignore gender when it comes to merits, rather than putting our grandmas efforts in vain and achieving something at least equitable? Actions speak louder than words sometimes.
Because they identify 3rd wave feminism as petulant, biased, hypocritical, intellectually dishonest and ultimately detrimental to women worldwide.
Worthwhile women aren't anxiety ridden losers who cry from the safety of their bedrooms.
Actual successful women go to school, get PhDs, get a good career, outperform the shit out of men academically and professionally by their own merit, because they identify that it is how you secure your own worth in the world.
Those women don't support feminism because feminism actually undermines their achievements.
Feminism doesn't believe in self-determinism, merit or personal accountability.
Feminism is about crying and rolling yourself on the floor until things are served to you on a silver platter.
Feminism in its most basic and fundamental form is about choice. The choice to either work and have a career or to be a homemaker and raise a family. It is impossible to do both equally well simultaneously. What I think has happened is that a very vocal minority of feminists are perceived to have hijacked the movement and leading it more towards entitlism and misandry. Men have realized this and are hence decreasing their interaction with women, especially long-term relationships (LTRs) and marriage.
So women are finding it harder to become financially stable without the safety net of marriage. Now just like men, women are looking at the prospects of homelessness, having to work beyond retirement age, and living alone. So, there is a backlash against the radical advocates of feminism, to return it back to what it originally was, choice.
Because I don't need to be a part of a movement for rights we already have, and I'm not actively engaged with the feminism of other countries. Sure there's moments of sexism, but both ways. I stand up against either when I see it happening in front of me.
And this is just why I don't need it for myself. When it comes to feminist of the western world, most of them are obsessed with incorrect facts, victimizing themselves, and putting down men. It's like being a part of the kkk and saying "oh I'm for everything except the racist stuff"
I think that some women are interested in traditional gender roles and logically doesn't want to have people mostly feminist attack them.
While others are actually feminist and prefer making their own decisions and not be stuck having to rely on others so it is mostly depends on the women what they want in life.
Oh and I forgotten about the women who just doesn't care for feminism because they exist too.
Of course.
I think they are aware how the 4th wave of feminism is bluring the line between feminism and misandry. And know having a husband is better than not having any. Plus the fear guys are willing to go gay over dating women is probably the largest reason. And the fact feminism points out issues but is very lack luster when it come to coming up with actual solutions to the massive number of claimed issues. Also feminism sets a dangerous precident that men should fear women which is only going to make the dating scene even more difficult. When the guy will literally bolt like you are a freak after saying you are a feminist it's pretty much clear at that point what the issue is.
People forget the meaning and cause. Therefore hate it or change it's narrative into hate then it's helped by extremists such as Red Pill and Scum Manifesto.
A smart person ignores that hate and keeps true to the meaning. Suffragettes are great, feminism is great.
They're probably against modern feminism because they can see how oppressive it is towards the men they love. Modern feminism only cares about women recieving special treatment. No longer equal treatment because they've already achieved that when they were needed. Now that they're no longer needed in America, they've resorted to the only thing they could. Demonizing men so that those men will fight back against said demonization and then modem feminists can use that to claim that men are oppressing them. They also make up false definitions of what it means to be a feminist today. You can't attack something that sounds righteous without being the bad guy.
What you don't understand. LOL. oppression? sure if woman are treated less... But it's 2022. We're all equal now.. feminism is now no longer needed, so that's why they would leave this feminism movement, it's un-needed, simply leaving the group won't cause oppression LOLIt's now become a supremacy hate group, sort of like the KKK,. feminists think woman are better than men and want more rights, they are becoming toxicThat's why you will see many decent woman leaving this movement, they don't wanna be a part of a negative toxic hate group that is no longer needed.
But only non decent woman will stay in this hate group. Nice people would leave and if I was a girl I would too
It's very easy to look at a vague definition of feminism and think it's arbitrarily a good thing. The problem though is that modern feminism has basically nothing to do with empowering, promoting, or defending women and spends much greater effort actually destroying femininity entirely while also attacking men or even other women who don't fully concede. It has nothing to do with equal protection by law or any other measure, it only vaguely "supports" women by demanding special treatment, and is overall much more in line with a grift that exploits useful idiots for the enrichment of a select few at the top on the foundation of a manipulative lie, which unfortunately is the reality for the majority of so-called social justice activist groups.
Hell, I'm a man and I can't tell why more men aren't feminists. Closing the pay gap, for one example, sure would help with the bills every month for dual income households...
Good example! 👏
The pay gap is a lie.
Every western country has equal pay laws.
The differences in pay are because men work longer hours, have greater workload, etc.
And why would men support a group that so clearly hates them
Because modern feminism is embarrassing as fuck. Like why on earth would it be offensive to call women "females" or have a man open a door for you? I want NO PARTS in whatever the fuck these women are arguing about nowadays. Feminism is just a joke now. It's what small minded women use to complain about any and everything that isn't relevant.
indeed I love this straight to the point and true.
Very well said, @Melanin_royalty
No kidding this is my thoughts exactly people keep going on about this small majority well every girl I met who is a feminist has a very atypical view of men. And a fair few of them are also lesbians and it's like my god it makes me sick.
I still remember us talking about walking dead and various other zombie movies and how the girls are all hot and running half naked and in the next sentence was saying about how hot Thor is in the shower scene. When I said aren't you angry that he's half naked purposely put there for girls and gays to ogle him. No so he should be - like what? She was talking to me for half an hour about girls shouldn't have their tits out in movies but then is happy to watch a male do it. And it's people like that is the reason I hate the word or association of feminists, I can't stand it.
The same reason some men are against patriarchy.
A lot of people link feminism to misandry, and in some cases they are right. Too many women assume though that to be a "good" feminist you must be lesbian or a misandrist.
That flies in the face of reality. Sure, things are not ideal for all women. But for most, things are a lot better, and improving, than they were, say, 50 odd years ago.
Because now some women have flipped feminism to hating men, real feminism is equality of the genders, they really ruined it, I’m a feminist in the real way EQUALITY not man hating
Hell if I know. Reminds me of anti choice women, happy to have their own rights and bodily autonomy removed, as well as every other woman out there
Yeah... Blows your head doesn't it? Baffling
I am against abortion because it is murder. That means I won't get it.
Except it literally isn't murder. Pick up a dictionary honey, or would you like me to do that for you?
Roasted 😆
Dictionary makes no difference.
It is a muder because it kills a human being.
Like I said I can't be for something that is murder.
Honey, honey. You seem to mistake killing for murder. They aren't the same thing. Also you don't get to ignore the definition of something just because it contradicts your bullshit
She kills her own offspring. Therefore it is murder.
It is a very cruel act. And I can't support it.
Define it whatever you want.
No, it really isn't. You'd know that if you read a dictionary for once. But as you made clear, you ignore facts when it doesn't suit your argument.
You don't have to support it, but don't call it something that it isn't. That's just lazy.
How is it not murder?
It kills a human being.
I not only don't support it but I oppose it
Good for you, I don't care if you support it honey.
Do you want me to read you the definition and explain it, or are you going to disregard facts again?
If you don't care then why do you care to change my opinion by dictionary bs.
Abortion kills the unborn human being.
Define it however you want it doesn't diminish the crulty of the act nor does it make abortion cool.
Murder: the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority.
Killing: the act of ending a life, sometimes deliberately.
For abortion to be murder, it would have to clear a few hurdles.
1. It would need to be illegal to do, which it is not. So right there it couldn't be murder, even if the other hurdles were met.
2. For malice aforethought, it would require a mindset and mentality to cause a death via anger or hatred. Those seeking abortion only want an end to pregnancy, which is not malicious.
3. A legal excuse is not required, as it is their human right to reproductive choice.
Like it or not, abortion is not murder. It is merely killing. Continuing to claim it is murder is literally wilful ignorance and rather stupid. Call it what it is, or just honestly shut up about it and don't argue with people who know more than you do.
Don't like it? Oppose it? Cool, you do you. I'm not here to change your opinion, I'm teaching you correct vocabulary so you don't sound like someone from a trailer park.
Legal or not it doesn't change the fact that it kills the umborn human being.
So in countries where abortion is not legal you consider it murder?
Malice or not changes nothing. So if a woman kills het infant because she decided that she has different plans then it is not murder because it was not out of anger or hatred?
I never said it didn't kill. Nobody has ever claimed that here lol
Legally yes, because the law says it is murder. Ethically? Nope, no worse than removing a tapeworm.
See again you're confusing shit lol infants have nothing to do with abortion. Try again xD stay on topic
That is your opinion that killing the unborn is like removing a tapeworm.
The unborn is a human being.
Tapeworm are not human offsprings. We don't give birth to them
Correct it is my opinion. But they feed off us, like a fetus, because they're both parasites. That is a biological fact. But of course you'll disregard or argue that too.
Still parasites are not unborn human beings.
Lol reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I see. I literally just told you that biologically, a fetus IS a parasite. Yet another fact you disregard, and I called it when I said you'd argue it and disregard it. Thanks for being predictable
Again the unborn is not a parasite. It is the youngest human being. It has 2 people's dna just like born people.
Good job yet again ignoring facts because it goes against your argument.
Also parasitism doesn't mean it isn't human. It literally just means that they take nutrients from another organisms body to survive.
Killing a parasite is not murder. Killing the unborn is murder because it is a human being. Using its mother's nutrients doesn't make it a non human being. It has 2 human beings DNA
Correct killing a parasite isn't murder, just like abortion.
Honey, truly, pay attention. I literally just said that being a parasite doesn't mean it isn't human. I suggest actually reading before replying:) because otherwise you're just letting others see just how ignorant you are.
Deliberarely ignoring my argument won't help you.
Unborn has 2 human being's DNA. Just like born people.
Honey I don't need to address it because that was never contested to begin with. I said repeatedly that it was human, and repeatedly that parasitism doesn't make it non human.
Do pay attention.
So how killing a human being not out of malice is not murder?
I've already explained it to you, not my fault you have trouble understanding it.
And I explained why your explanation made no sense. I brought up the example of infant killing NOT out of murder
And like I said, once again, stay on topic (abortion in case you forgot). Infanticide has nothing to do with abortion.
So again, it isn't my fault you have difficulty understanding basic things, nor that you repeatedly and deliberately refuse to acknowledge facts.
You said killing out of malice is not murder
Honey, reading isn't hard. I said for something to be considered murder, it needs to be done with malice as one of the legal requirements.
Murder not out if malice is not limited to unborn humans. Born people can be killed not out if malice. It is called manslaughter.
Correct finally, but that only applies to born humans or fetuses in third trimester when they become viable outside the womb, when abortion is not performed unless necessary to save the woman's life.
I love watching you grasp at straws. It's hilarious lol
You are trying to convince yourself that I find your argument convincing.
Viable or not it is the deliberate killing of a human being.
I don't care lol im not trying to change your opinion. I'm simply teaching you.
Good job! You finally said killing a human instead of murder! You're finally learning!
Killing a human is murder.
In some circumstances, correct. But not always, as has been repeatedly explained to you. But abortion is not one of those circumstances. If it was, I would be in jail a few times over. But here I am, free as a bird.
Every time you go off topic again, or repeat the same bullshit again, I will remove it.
Remove all you want. You removed because I destroyed your argument.
No you really haven't lol I'm just tired of your repetitive nonsense and constantly going off topic. So, you'll either learn something or you'll have your shit removed.
Be glad, I don't usually waste my time teaching the ignorant.
It was on topic. I showed you that legal doesn't mean right.
But keep convincing yourself you are not a murderer. I could never sleep knowing I killed my own children.
No, slavery has nothing to do with abortion.
It doesn't need any convincing, because I've never murdered anyone. But hey, you do you. I sleep like a baby knowing I'm not bogged down by some brat I don't want.
I said that slavery was legal but did legality make it fine?
So bringing up legality of abortion is not a good argument that abortion is fine just because it is legal.
Correct which has nothing to do with abortion.
Honey that wasn't an argument for abortion, that was me correcting your vocabulary. I haven't even touched on arguments in favor of abortion.
Agape, she would literally give a child shitty life rather than aborting the whole ordeal.
So giving a child good life is not an option?
It's either killing them or making them suffer by giving life?
And I would never kill my child.
You're thinking in terms of coin toss, the life you're giving is either good or bad, when in reality good life is just one of the possibilities... And the probability is reduced when the parenthood isn't a planned one
Killing is never a better choice than giving life.
Any suicidal would tell you how the quality of life is what matters
Do you justify the choice of suicide?
Depends on the case. I don't think it's "selfish" but yeah it's quite terrible that someone doesn't want to live anymore.
But free will exists. In the end, it's individual choice.
Yes which is why we shouldn't kill our babies because we think they will have a bad life.
@marish01 we don't "think", we "know". Workaholics, minors, abusers etc would become shit parents. It's not a movie where they can achieve happy wholesome endings, nor is it trial error experiment on a live doll
There are many abused people who choose life every day. Let's not decide for them that they better never have existed than exist.
So you're teaching kids how to be survivors of abuse? Lmao.
And what about mother's life? You'd agree there a shit ton your mommy sacrificed to raise you (considering she wanted you, or was forced to have you lol).
So you teach abusive children to kill themselves instead of living?
Not to mention how you justify abusive mothers.
My mom never got an abortion and she is very proud of keeping her babies.
But even if she was forced to give birth to me or was abusive to me I would still choose to live.
I'm saying don't bring them to world. Don't do your experiments.
Where would your pro life mentality would go when they commit suicide after some time? Would you find satisfaction in knowing you tried? And should people exist for you to say you tried, just for your relief?
So I should kill them in case they commit suicide later in life?
Abusive people choose life more than they kill themselves. They CHOOSE life.
@marish01 that's easier said because she was willing mother and loving.
You can't imagine what abuse truly feels like. I've seen it happen.
I told you that I value my life because I LOVE LIFE.
If I were raped I would still think I deserve life. No scumbag can make me think my life is not worthy. Abuse never diminishes one's right to life.
Good for you.
I believe if something is not convenient, and can have long term negative consequences, I'm getting rid of it 😀
We should let all abused, bullied, raped people know that they deserve love and that what happens to them doesn't diminish their right to life.
We should also shame abusive women like we shame rapists.
Of course.
But just because a woman is a good person, doesn't mean you shove a child at her
A good person doesn't kill her child
Says you
Lordy this convo blew up over night lol
I'm really enjoying her conservative views lmao
Lol its hilarious isn't it?
Yeah, she totally said that ones morality is defined by whether they want to keep a kid or not
A good person doesn't kill her child.
Call killing not keeping it doesn't change the fact that she kills her own child.
Yeah, we got that. You want to lead a guilt free life, and for that you'd use your kid's suffering
Claiming children will suffer is your shitty justitication for killing them.
Most do when the parenthood is unwanted and unplanned
Most abused people choose life
It's like talking to a baboon
Agreed anon lol its fascinating
Think about how everyone knows what's going on in the catholic church but yet the church keeps denying it and defending pedophiles. 99,9 % of Christians themselves hate pedos just as much as everyone else does, but the fact that the church itself goes so far to cover it up and refuses to do anything about it makes non-Christians extremely wary of the entire religion.
It's like that. When the majority of feminists who AREN'T extreme completely ignore the bad apples and continue to let them use that term to justify their own bigotry without ever calling them out, people - both men and women - are going to start distancing themselves from the ideology.
In India a famous actress and feminist ( pseudo- feminist to be exact) named Neha Dhupia
berated a male contestant who claimed to have slapped his girlfriend for cheating on him and her reaction was 'It's her choice'. According to her a girl can have boyfriends as many as she wants but a male partner has to be loyal with her and he can't accuse her of having many boyfriends. She is very hypocritical about her statement. Her critics accused her of misrepresenting what feminism and gender equality stand for.
This is exactly what today's feminism Is. Government already gave many rights to women, in todays world a women can do whatever she wants from education to job, business to atheletes. I think there is no need for feminists now in developed countries like America. Feminist are needed in developing and underdeveloped countries.
And I have a question why feminists talk about the conditions of women in middle eastern countries. Some so called feminist take the whole Twitter for pity issues but when it comes to Islamic countries and conservative countries then they are nowhere to be seen.
Please don't take it in a wrong way, all I am talking is about pseudo feminist not about true feminists.
Okay. She was in the wrong I admit.
Hell needs more feminists too
@Anonuser838383 As does earth. And oh! Less men like you.
Why are you mad. Cuz i dont wanna see the human race become like hyenas?
@Anonuser838383 because of your other comments...
And if Robin overgeneralises, it still makes sense.
Why are you?