What you think about the Supreme Court ruling against vaccine mandates from Biden and OSHA?

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whirled_up_girl · Accepted Answer

So I work in health care and I'm not going to get into whether I think people should choose to be vaccinated and all the of the controversy about that. However, in this subject on constituationality of federal mandates I'm alittle confused as to why the majority opinion on the supreme court is that it's unconstitutional for OSHA or the Biden administration to make a mandate but not unconstitutional for Centers for Medicare and Medicaid to make a mandate of health care workers. That makes a little nervous because when I worked in Long Term Care (nursing homes) many residents could get ill from other residents living in the nursing home does this mean CMS can mandate that nursing home residents be vaccinated as well, stating resident safety? Like I said I'm referring only the the constitutionality of mandates by federal agencies. They are using patient safety as the argument as if Covid is the only patient safety risk a health care worker could have to patients, what about health care workers that are colonized with MRSA, they post a risk to patients particulalry if standard precautions are not utilized but so far there are not federal mandates that MRSA colonized healthcare workers cannot work in healthcare etc. and would be difficult to know if they utilized the appropriate precautions every time. And so far this is just Covid were talking about has CMS mandated other vaccines that put patients at risk, they must not have because some hospitals did not require every employee to be vaccinated with flu vaccine. So that's just my two cents on this subject.

CrazyGirl2 · Accepted Answer

I think it is in line with the constitution. I mean forcing people to take a medicine that is STILL experimental… I am fully vaxxed, my whole family is. But my mom is a doctor and she understood how it worked, and knew that it’s not going to “change” your DNA, that it was safe, and the benefits outweighed the risks from contracting Covid 19. But most people don’t have that luxury. I don’t agree with the vax hesitant people, but I DO understand their concerns, (which are born out of medical ignorance, mostly). So maybe instead of mandating we take the vaccine or be banned from working or getting an education, the government should have done a better job of communicating the risks and benefits? I’ll say this…. This BS of telling us once we are vaxxed we can return to a full, maskless life like before, then reinstate the mask mandate, (even though the head of CDC, Rochelle Wollinsky, called masks little more than “facial decoration” on CNN) and then require private employers to fire anyone without full vaccination certainly seems like an end run around the constitution, and apparently the supreme court agreed! I’m ALL in favor of getting vaxxed, I just question the authoritarian way that they went about it. Oh god! Let the trolls begin their attack!

Dmony45 · Accepted Answer

Ok um I don't want to offend anyone so this my opinion and it's quite long Joe fucking Biden can kiss my ass Trump 2022 and the hole COVID-19 is a scam just like the fake people that scam real people for money and other stuff and the vaccine is not safe it kills people lots of people yeah u can say all u want but nothing u r going to say will change my mind and that's another thing the reason that our world is so upside down and divide is because of the God damn media they would they can't keep their 👃 out of other people's business that is why our world is not safe anymore and pretty soon our the media will be going through people's SSN and other deeper personal shit like who did u have sex with last night I mean come on don't u see if keep this up we will just have to shoot ourselves dead anyways this not the way I want my life to be I want to be able to go outside nude and not have to worry about what the fuck other people think u know we used to live in a free world now we don't so if u don't like what I'm saying then please keep your opinions or comments to yourself and or better yet In the famous words of Thumper if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all

Amur8711 · Accepted Answer

I am happy it was deemed Unconstitutional. No one should be forced to get the vaccine. People have learned nothing from history. This is exactly what the Germans did with the Jews. Also the vaccine doesn't work, and I know 2 people that were killed by the vaccine and my uncle almost had a heartattack becauseit caused fluid to build up around his heart, and I know 2 people that died from the health complications after getting over covid. With that said I still believe that all this mask and vaccine stuff is not working or even possibly making it worse. Also why arnt Doctors letting people who get covid that are over the age 40 know about the monoclonal antibodies? They need administered before 10 days after symptoms develope. Both that died from the complications after covid were not told by their Doctors about it, they didn't know about it and we had to tell them, then they asked their Doctors, then the doctors said "oh yeah we can schedule you for that".

I smell lots of Doctors are in on making covid look as deadly as possible for incentives from the government or at least the pharmaceutical companies or the left.

MelissaMarie9614 · Answer

The Supreme Court made the right choice! Can't force people to get the vaccine if they don't want it or don't believe it really works. I'm not vaccinated, but that's because of personal reasons and I don't believe it really works that well. I'm not getting it unless I know more info on it or there's gonna be a better one eventually. I also just had covid recently and I'm doing well now. Mine didn't even last that long. Sure the first few days were rough and I l couldn't get out of bed, but after about a week I started to get my strength back slowly but surely and it just felt like a regular head cold. When I came back to work after having covid, I got a letter from HR about the mandate and I was sooo scared that it was really happening and that meant I had to choose between the vaccine or a weekly covid test which obviously I'm still NOT getting the vaccine. I was already choosing to get the weekly test and that it was gonna start next month, but then literally the next day after my shift ended and was about to go to bed, that's when I heard that the Supreme Court is now against it. I felt sooo relieved! It's a miracle! When I saw an article about it, I was like "FREEDOM!!!" Because if they still went with it, that would mean going against our freedom and rights. Now I know that there's still hope! And that they do care about our freedom and rights. It's not my business if you choose to get it or not. We're allowed to make our own choices and decisions! Now I can also go to work without having to worry about the mandate. Honestly it's a huge relief that they're against it! Now they gotta get biden out of the office!

NamerOfStars · Answer

It's something that EVERYONE should be breathing a sigh of relief over. Even if you're somehow in favor of the mandates, allowing it to pass would be setting a precedent more horrifying than the Dredd Scott case. We'd be halfway to China in the space of one ruling.

WalterBlack · Answer

It is a delicate issue. There is no easy solution to deal with COVID, despite what the so-called experts claim. However, this world is becoming more authoritarian every day. I'm glad to hear that the Supreme Court is still upholding some personal freedoms. As a side note, I work in healthcare. EVERY patient I've seen with severe (life threatening) COVID symptoms in the last 2 months has been unvaccinated. I want people to have a choice. I also hope that people make the right choice to get vaccinated unless they have a good reason not to do so.

Screenwriter · Answer

Conservative court will give conservative opinions. The court is occupied by anti government-interventionists. Less government is good.

However, their opinion makes no logical sense. Childhood vaccines are mandated nationwide for children to go to school. This is a vaccine for people to go to school and to work and to prevent spreading sickness.

It would have meant 82 million people would've had to get vaccinated or provide weekly PCR tests. That might've gotten us up to the 70 percent mark that has been so highly touted, but we'll never get to...

it's tiresome.

youngmix · Answer

Yeah, I don't think the government should hold that kind of power. I think individual businesses have that right, and can implement whatever mandates they like. If you don't like a private company's policies, whether they be pro or anti vaccination, then move on.

JessicaEarl · Answer

This is the right call. Maybe it would be different if the vaccines had passed stage IV of the FDA approval process, which usually takes 5-10 years. It should be up to the person whether they risk the disease or the jab because we don’t fully understand either. Not to mention the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread anymore. And omicron deaths are extremely low. So I the MANDATE is not necessary, not effective and not legal. But I do think people should get the vaccine generally to avoid hospital strain. But hospitals need to get their employees back…. which is a whole different issue

Brainsbeforebeauty · Answer

I agree with it.. The minute you start letting the government mandate people's healthcare decisions, we're fucked as a nation.. Well even more than we already are 🤷🏼‍♀️

BCA6010 · Answer

It was the obvious outcome, though the fact they upheld the mandate on healthcare workers at facilities receiving funding for Medicaid and Medicare was a weird move since it essentially leaves the door open to pass the same or other mandates through other means, most notably simply passing it through the house and Senate. Ultimately, the fact the same measure had already gone through that process and floundered in the senate was the primary argument used against OSHA to prove it had overstepped itself. Optimistically, this will result in other government agencies having their authority revised, but it's pretty doubtful. Unfortunately, barely half of the justices seem to even pretend to approach issues from a constitutionality standpoint, Roberts just wants to be on the majority/winning side of a debate regardless of outcome, and the liberal appointees are basically there just to support whatever their party tells them to.

Citizenkirk · Answer

Not familiar with it, and even though I am in support of people getting vaccinated, I'm not sure how I feel about forcing vaccines on unwilling parties. Polio had it's share of lost life before vaccines were available, and would still be claiming lives if people didn't take advantage of the vaccines, my parents included, taking me to the doctor too get vaccinated as a child and teenager. People don't remember polio, but it's still around, and treatments still are not as effective as vaccines are. How much resistance are people going to continue to have against a tiny shot that can do so much in protection against pandemics from yesteryear or today?

Leonharted · Answer

There's only two answers you're gonna get from this question. People who do not like government controlling private enterprise (one of the literal definitions of fascism) will be happy. People who are totalitarians (fascists, communists, socialists) will see this as an inefficiency, and justification as to why the State needs more power.

ManOnFire · Answer

No one should be forced to get a vaccine if they're not comfortable with it. Does the vaccine help? Maybe. Although a lot of people who have it have still been struck with COVID, some even fatally. I'm vaccinated and even I am sick of all these jabs trying to be forced on people. If someone doesn't want it they shouldn't be man-handled into getting it.

Roxxy99 · Answer

Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion on vaccine mandates, those OSHA rules were never meant to address public health issues. States can mandate vaccines but the federal government cannot. Biden was attempting to creatively interpret those rules to achieve what he can’t directly do.

eagle1951 · Answer

I believe it's a Government of the people by the people and for the people.   no Government should have that kind of power,

Northernlights25 · Answer

The mandate would be equal to claiming something which evidently isn't true. That the only thing we need do to be safe from covid is vaccinate. But even people with a third shot are now spreading among themselves. Further, as I read people for medical or religious reasons in healthcare staff would've been exempt in any case. This could be hundred of thousands of people which seems to nullify the point of a mandate to me regardless. Overall, people have a right to decide what does and does not go into their system, especially concerning half-cooked and fallacious vaccines of which a multitude of variances with unpredictable results depending on the person, now seem to circulate.

RolandCuthbert · Answer

The Biden administration overstepped. But they were testing the boundaries.

The Federal government has no right to dictate to private businesses when it comes to vaccination policy.

That power resides with the States only. Each state has a right to decide whether or not they will mandate companies to comply. Some companies may see fit to punish companies that do. Others may seek to punish those that don't.

But that is a States' rights issue.

bean2k21 · Answer

Key takeaways:
• Another hypocritical idiot asshole Democrat Nazi who thinks they know what's best for society
• Thank God the Founding Fathers established three branches of the Federal government to make it difficult for one person to gain too much control
• And people called Trump a dictator?

abc3643 · Answer

Your question is incorrect.

There were 2 vaccine mandates.

1. One was for large employees. That was the one that the SCOTUS ruled against.

2. The second was for healthcare organizations like hospitals. That was supported by the SCOTUS.

Outofthegrey · Answer

Good. Regardless of my feelings on if people should or shouldn't be getting vaccinated, it's unconstitutional to mandate an individual undergo a medical procedure as a prerequisite to access to the guaranteed rights of all American citizens.

matchrestore · Answer

It left the door open for more targeted approaches to vaccine mandates. I won't be surprised when a whole long list of new targeted mandates come out. Employees who are exposed to the general public regularly, employees who are in regular contact with 10 or more co-workers for more than an hour a day, employers providing goods or services necessary to the national defence, employers who contract with the federal government? Probably going to see mandates soon. And they'll probably stick.

awkward_author · Answer

As pro-vaccination as I am, I disagree with a mandate that will force everyone to be vaccinated.

FýrdracaDócincel · Answer

Good. This joke has gone on long enough. It wasn't funny when it started and it's still not funny now.

jshm2 · Answer

It was a largely meaningless case as the the mandate still is in place for health workers and those who took federal funding... which is pretty much all businesses.

All that happens now is that the government can't be overt in taking action against those who do not comply.

But Americans are all about underhanded tactics anyway.

SexyAsian · Answer

I'm happy about the decision they made. It is a personal choice. The government has no right what to tell i should put in my body.

adidas0169 · Answer

Moat people think its a good idea to mandate but everyone forget that we are a nation of choice not a nation of force amongst there people. more you force us to do something more we are going to fight. I find it very odd that certain polictians are buying stock in the vaccine companies and in the the last quarter one of the companies made 37billion dollars thats in 3months and they want to mandate it. come on people wake up its not about making people safer its about money and that is it.

Wester1967 · Answer

You live in a slave gulag society filled with super entitled adult toddlers. You see it on these pages every day. Day in day out. Butthurt little boys and girls whining and crying over any inconvenience. Go out, go make money and die for your job. They don't give two fks about you. If you die, they write off your stupid arse from their taxes and replace you within 48 hours. Enjoy the flea dumb that 40 years of ultra right wing republicans packing the court has gotten you.

BCRanger10 · Answer

It is a very good thing that the mandates were struck down.

LingyRolls · Answer

It's the right call but for the wrong reason. They didn't go far enough because they left open the possibility of congress allowing this. This should be ruled unconstitutional.

Caunsos · Answer

It doesn't matter any more covid is too strong and the only ones with balls to do what need to stop it is China. A full global quarantine for 6 weeks. No one leaves their houses. Those that are enforcing it, people deliver food and medicine and medical care work would be allowed out with regular testing.

Bl0n6eguy · Answer

A victory for those against authoritarianism and institutional discriminatory malpractice. One could also claim the Dems' attempt was racist, because it would disproportionately impact minority workers too.

Madhatter920 · Answer

It's a bad call, I think. Going to cost a lot of lives unnecessarily. A lot of lasting damage. Allowing a selfish few moronic science deniers to completely screw over everyone else. No logic behind it. Just pure lunacy.

Lliam · Answer

Finally some support for the Constitution and human rights.

XXblack88 · Answer

I think the supreme court is right on this one. The gov has no business telling me what I need to put in my body. If I want it to live in country ran by dictators, I would move too China.

Paige90 · Answer

I agree 100%. The vaccine and masks should not be mandated.

libsaretards · Answer

It was definitely the right move. Had the Supreme Court allowed this, they would have set up a precedent where OSHA could bully businesses through mandates.

genericname85 · Answer

i think it's funny how everyone thought trump was trying to fuck the country. when he did more for america than most other presidents before him.

biden is just the representative of the capitalist oligarchy.

Dinklex3 · Answer

Question is kind of misleading as it was aimed at businesses with 100+ workers.  It was either vaccine or weekly tests. Unless this isn't the one you were referring to.

AviatorTom · Answer

It was the correct ruling. The federal government overstepped its authority.

Heartache0405 · Answer

I think of it as a good thing. As well as dropping the mask mandate for businesses too. We are not a fascist country. So Biden's fascist laws will not prosper here in this country.

AllThatSweetJazz · Answer

He found out that he didn’t have the power to oppress people, so he had to beg the states to implement the mandates anyway. What someone who respected liberty would do is ask the people directly and accept those who refuse.

r2cute · Answer

id say good but im not to opinionated on it. while i do think people should get the vaccine i dont think it should be forced by the government if anything it just makes the antivaxers more hesitant to get it

RebeccaBI2000 · Answer

Hopefully this applies to companies that are forcing you to get them or be fired

Massageman · Answer

Whomever is running this circus FAR overstepped their boundaries of Constitutionality. It just got steered back into at least a tiny bit of sanity.

sarahlumpkin · Answer

I conferred with boyfriend about this question. He tells me it is a matter of the 10th Amendment vs interstate commerce.

saffoler · Answer

They should have also upheld an injunction on the healthcare mandate. Federal funds don't take away people's rights.

Gwenhwyfar · Answer

Rn it’s just a preliminary injunction. They haven’t heard the case on the merits yet, nor has the full court voted.

NYCQuestions1976 · Answer

I agree with both decisions. I'm vaccinated and pro-vaccinations, but against the mandates. However, working in the medical community is different, which is why I agreed with the second decision.

molonski2 · Answer

Not suprised , but its a VERY foolish decision , although they judge on law , not the topic. Should have done same with lockdowns.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

Support it. We can't be letting a virus that has nearly a 100% survival rate control our lives nor live our lives in fear with a virus that's basically a cold or mild fever.

BeMuse · Answer

It opens the path to remove most of government/secret societies. It's a big win, and has been planned for years. Checkmate.

bgreek · Answer

The Supreme Court has "Bejing"Biden Now they need to toss him jail For refusing to put MPP back in place When Biden was ordered to do so

Jersey2 · Answer

I think people should get vaccinated. I also think it is their right not to and the government can’t force them. I am vaccinated and have had the booster.

VikingWarLord · Answer

This whole thing is one big SHAM  We should've already had a worldwide revolution by now, but rettarrds are still buying the BULLSH*T

joeldalton · Answer

It is horseshit they kept the mandate for healthcare workers.

exitseven · Answer

They support the 4th amendment of the Constitution. People will be secure in their bodies.

convo_king89 · Answer

its bull shit, you getting sick at work is a danger to my life. either test or vaccine. im not into the honor system of being vaccinated

notwoke · Answer

you already can't get a covid test. How does anyone with half a brain think we are going to produce another 100 million Covid tests a week to test half the country weekly. this is beyond stupid

emperor90 · Answer

I think it is good for people who dont want to be forced to be vaccinated

TheSpaceGnome · Answer

I think mandates are a sign we the people aren't in charge.

007kingifrit · Answer

the SCOTUS did the right thing. but it ultimately doesn't matter as biden probably knew it would fail. he just wanted to look good to his base

CuriousMufuxka · Answer

We still have a bit of freedom. Granted this whole debacle could have been perpetrated years ago with swine flu and level one SARS..

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