Couple of things I find interesting about this poll. The fact that not vaccinated but support the mandates is non-zero is not unexpected I guess, but still weird, unless they were misclicks. However, the amount of people who are vaccinated and for the mandates are equal to who are vaccinated and aren't for the mandates. I knew there would be "defectors", but I didn't think it would be that high.
But the takeaway, and I expect it to be reflective of the population at large even though this is a self-selected online poll is that the mandates are unpopular. And that gives me some hope.
Iv noticed that many peoples views are driven by cognitive biases. If a big established company says it = it must be true. If its on the Mainstream news a lot = it must be important. If they say we need to get the vaccines that = they are safe and effective. People are simply not examining the truth. They are just following the plays and narrative given to us
@Nick473 I don't disagree, but remember that it can cut both ways. There are people on the "non-establishment" side can be just as liable to fall into group-think. I think the more important thing to highlight here is that the difference between the establishment and non-establishment is that the establishment voices are continuously censoring discussion and de-platforming dissidents and are attempting to enforce a top-down managerial version of the narrative that will obviously favor those setting the narrative in the end, while the non-establishment is an open marketplace of ideas and are more or less a rowdy bunch of individual voices, where people can be more liable to be swayed by the loudest voices, even if they may be wrong.
If it sounds like I'm dissing the latter, I'm not. I absolutely despise the international, managerial elites and I do not trust that they have my best interest at heart at all. I know they're lying to me. The mob may be loud, raucous, and maybe even wrong, but I know that they're much more likely the say what they believe to be true.
Thats true it is everywhere but its good to do the research and find out what camp is standing on the truth before settling into group think. I guess i just hope that people would dig deeper into The things that have been on the news for the past year or so with the vax, covid and mandates. Its all very important but a lot of people will not accept the idea of an establishment or a deep state government. They think this is all organic and that they are being saved by the good guys however there intentions are evil
Yes. I also don't understand people who are against vaccination. We are facing a global pandemic right now and there are still people who do not trust vaccines. What else do these guys do? Vaccines were developed from every country and presented to people. Why are these ignorant people rejecting these vaccines? Do they think they have poison in the vaccine or something? Do not be afraid, people like you did not produce these vaccines, produced successful scientists in the field. The only thing I'm wondering is; are you against other vaccines as much as you are against this vaccine, anti-vaccine people smart people? (They are planning to destroy this laboratory virus with a vaccine produced in the laboratory against a virus that has already been made in the laboratory environment. And God knows what kind of viruses they will produce after Covid 19.).
Other vaccines took years to develop and not rushed out in 6 months without all the proper trials either. Mostly it is distrust of the government. Seeing as the vaccine doesn't really keep you from still getting covid it is all a bunch of hooey to me. Do you see anyone come out with vaccines for STD's? And look at all the people who have died from them over the years and how it is spreading like a wildfire. It's all about control.
I'm against the vaccine.
I took it just for the sake of degree. The professor was on the verge of creating this whole ruckus.
Why are people so paranoid?
It's not a fucking Cape, and stop treating it like a shield! If you don't want to catch corona, stop giving the hospital staff a fucking tough time! Get out, if you want to talk to your patient, call not visit! Want more? How about cutting back on your festivals for the time being?
Hell no. I'm tired of all these idiots in the media acting like the unvaxed are more of a danger to the vaxed than the actual virus. Or that the unvaxed are a bigger threat than the virus in general. How does that make any sense? If the vaccine actually works, then the unvaccinated are only a danger to themselves. The vax isn't magic. Vaxed people still get infected and still spread the virus just like the unvaxed. They have to wait for the current covid variant to mutate before they can make a shot for it, and by that time it's already spreading like wildfire. I'm not going to take those bullshit shots once or twice a year forever. I just decided I'm not going to take it at all. It's my body.
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I got the shot because I thought that it would bring about the end of the pandemic. It was the right decision for me. However I believe that is everybody's choice whether or not to get it. The government's job is to educate people so they can make the best decision possible. Forcing people to put something kin their bodies they do not want. The Biden administration failed on both fronts. Forcing something on Americans will just make them dig ion deeper and Dr Fauci has been either lying or just plain wrong about just about everything so the information that the government supplies has no real credibility.
What mandate?
I don't follow news and stuff. I haven't gotten any shot and I haven't been told I have to. So I don't know.
If I do eventually get told I have to, then I just won't. Idc what they do or say. I'm not getting a shot. I don't even get the flu shots. I'm not gonna get it.
They say cases of people having bad reactions to the shots is rare. But my brother in prison has seen more then enough people get those shots and end up going to the med unit and not returning, for me to not wanna get the damn shot.
With my damn luck I'ma be one of those people that have a bad reaction to it. No thanks.
Consider this... if the vaccine was effective, who cares who is vaccinated and who isn't?
But they know it's not working well and there are now studies that prove people who have the vaccine can be just as contagious as those without. Also, there's growing evidence that spike protein used in most of these vaccines significantly inhibit DNA damage repair. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34696485/
In the past, "believe the science" has meant everything from bloodletting to smoking is good for you.
mandate means no freedom to choose.
When you dont have freedom to choose.
That means you have no freedom
See the vaccine mandates and passports should be compared to yellow Stars of David from the Holocaust in Nazi Germany
Why are women overwhelmingly the ones who support tyranny? Let me explain something to you... if you try and FORCE something in someone else’s body AGAINST THEIR WILL then they have the right to defend themselves with ANY AMOUNT OF FORCE THEY DEEM NECESSARY. Get it? So you wanna support people violating my bodily autonomy? Maybe I’ll violate your bodily autonomy and see how you like it. I believe that everyone should try psychedelic substances at least once in there life and maybe it’s the only way to save our species. So by your logic I should just inject you with LSD yah? And sure lots of people go crazy from high doses, but fuck it, it’s for the greater good. Enjoy your trip
I’m vaccinated and I don’t support it.
It's definitely not okay! It's also none of your business whether someone you know has taken the vaccine or the reasons why they have/haven't taken it.
none of those options, include my opinion
I find it damn wrong for any Federal agency to mandate or pass legislation forcing it's citizen to undergo ANY medical procedure.
In regards to the vaccine.. well to each their own.. I protect me from it.. not my government
There's a famous slogan that gets slang around all the time it's my body it's my choice I'll be it for a different reason it's still the same it's my body it's my choice. If you will read the actual research of this virus it has been exploded and over exaggerated to to Infinity. Mark my words Dr fauci will go to prison for his lies. Date this and refer back to it when it happens because I told you so. News just broke today that vouching withheld all the information of the gain of function research in Wuhan the fact that he was responsible for helping fund it and he knew the whole time that that's where the virus came from yet withheld all the information from the Trump administration and he's still doing it today to the bad administration. But his Web of lies are beginning to unravel.
Im vaccinated and support it with hesitancy.
I honestly thought "we can convince most people to get vaccinated because of the science and it's the right thing to do" but I'm at the point where I believe MOST, not all but MOST, non vaccinated people just don't want it because their identity is built on defiance. They don't believe the science just because other people believe in it. You can't treat them like reasonable people. You can't treat them like they'll change. You can't convince them with any number of facts, figures, data, science, or studies.
I'd rather everyone get a choice but these people are 100% willing to watch others die.
Science is phooey! They change their minds every couple of years what is true and what we thought was true isn't. It's also just a complete distrust of our lame ass government. You certainly see enough instances where they don't wear masks themselves and are just hypocrites.
I don't understand how it's the "right thing to do". Also, "these people are 100% willing to watch others die"? Please explain..
You do realize you need to come in contact with someone who is infected to get the virus, right? If you can still spread and get the virus while being vaccinated.. then the smarter thing to do is to social distance and don't go out sick.
As for defiance, and not listening to scientists.. The creator of the MRNA vaccine openly said to only vaccinate at risk people, and his videos were removed from youtube. I guess some people are just subservient.
@Daniela1982
Cry harder.
@Hypnos0929 Are your lips chapped from kissing the government's ass? Well pucker up and use some chap stick. What do you not understand about still getting Covid even if fully vaccinated? Plus you forever need boosters. No one is telling you not to get the vac so please don't tell others to get it. It isn't your choice.
@Daniela1982
Cry extra hard.
@Hypnos0929 I can see you have been hypno- tized to believe that stuff. Just another flunkie believing everything the government tells him. I bet you even have Biden's pictures on your wall. One of his butt so you can kiss it every morning. ha ha ha
My body my choice right? I have serious reservations about a vaccine when they try to push it so hard, and there are so many cases where people still get Covid after they are vaccinated. I've had covid and it wasn't even one of the worst colds I've had in the past few years and most people I know that have gotten it say the same and none have died.
I don't see another way to stop useless discussions about whether the Covid is a worldwide hoax, or spread on purpose for some obscure reasons, or a conspiration. It doesn't matter in practice where the Covid comes from and how dangerous it is if everyone is vaccinated.
I encourage people to get it, it works to strengthen your immune system against COVID but it is also crucial that we keep that choice open for everyone and not force it on people. I chose to get the two dose Pfizer shot, but I am not getting any boosters, that seems a bit laughable. If we give the government the power to force vaccines into us, who knows what else they can get away with later on.
I am fully vaxed and I support it for care and medical staff, like is happening in UK. These people are supposed to be caring for their residents and patients. Part of the care should be minimising the risk of passing it on to those they are looking after.
My roommate is a covid case manager for my city. The truth is, all the vaccine does is lower the risk of covid being fatal. It won't really prevent you from getting it if your in contact with the virus. Since covid is usually only fatal in elderly and people with serious medical conditions, I think people in that bracket should be vaccinated. Healthy people will get it and recover without the vaccine, and they will have memory T cells that might help them against future variants.
I got vaccinated as soon as it became available for my age group. I strongly do NOT support mandated vaccination. If people don't want to get vaccinated then they don't want to get vaccinated. That should be the end of it. The government should not have the authority to mandate ANY medical treatment.
Unvaccinated, but even if I were vaccinated, I would oppose the mandates with all my heart and blood. The idea that anyone (let alone OSHA) has the right to impose such explicitly authoritarian measures is so wrong, so profoundly unethical, so antithetical to justice, freedom, and righteousness, that I would proudly shed blood in the fight against it. I will never comply, and I damn to hell anyone who tries to force me.
I support it.
However, I keep an open mind.
If they really want to push the "my body my rules" thing, then we push "my store, my rules" and "my company, my rules" - with "my" being majority of the shareholders.
Unvaccinated people should not cry when a store/office doesn't let them in.
People will legitimately throw tantrums over masks.
Even at our restaurant where we will let you wear practically any face covering, even a durag if needed, has people willing to cry. I had to give up a table because one lady said "I'm vaccinated, I don't need a mask". I kept trying to explain I don't make the rules, it's the owners policy that everyone needs one including our staff. She just kept getting madder like I'd change the rules just for her, like no lady.
I am vaccinated but definitely I don't suport it since all sorts of vaccines haven't been tested out properly in very short period of time which is impossible. We are also forced to get vaccinated due to several restrictions imposement. I am not against well-studied vaccines, I am against just uncertain liquids called as "vaccine".
The problem is that there are studys but they are not being looked at because they reflect negatively on the vaccine. If they could produce a good vaccine i dont think they would need to force it and the people that take it would actually be immune instead of getting the bs of having to continually get boosters for the rest of your life
Across the board no, but I do support a bemployer's right to require it in there terms of employment, especially if the business is in the health field. Vaccine mandates are not new and have been around for year. You can't become a nurse or an EMT if you don't get one. If it's really that big of a deal to you then find a job were it isn't required. Some people are just so stubborn and selfish.
So then women who want an abortion are stubborn and selfish too? Either it is your body your choice for all or it is for none, and that includes jabs.
@Daniela1982 those two things aren’t remotely the same hon..
Like I said, if you believe we have the right to an abortion because it is your body than I have the right not to get vaccinated because I have that freedom of choice too. Or at least we used to have freedom.
@David_Kek It really doesn't. I'm not sure if anything but social distancing will help.
@Daniela1982 That or natural selection. If even vaccinated nurses wearing full scrubs gear can get it and pass it on, then all of this is one giant political circus of people refusing to accept that sometimes shit just happens and people with weak immune systems occasionally die just because that's life, mixed in with a bit of corporate greed that's got politicians on the pay roll.
I'm vaccinated and I am against the mandate.
My logic is simple:
(1) If it works, I am basically safe, regardless of vaccination status of others
(2) If it does not work, I am no less safe than pre-vaccination
Thus, with vaccines, the danger of the situation did not worsen. At worst, it has remained the same. At best, it is now as safe as can be.
or, it mutates.
@Sabretooth Either the vaccine protects me from mutation or it doesn't. Mutations will occur even if Canada is fully vaccinated. How do we know this? Because the Delta Variant originated in Great Britain. A mutation in another country came to us. Unless we close off to all non-fully vaxxed countries, mutations will spread to us too. Considering most of Africa is totally unvaxxed, plus many other countries in various continents, this would mean being cut off from parts of the world for the next few years. Many countries are unable to vaccinate their populations, so there is just no way they'd manage to do it in a short period of time.
If you have to force something it's probably not in everyone's best interest
So should we stop forcing people to follow the law? Should we stop forcing drivers to get a license? Should we stop forcing kids to go to school? Should we stop forcing drug addicts to go to rehab? Should we stop forcing nudists to cover their bodies? Should we stop forcing restaurants to follow health standards? Should we stop forcing fathers to pay child support?
The list goes on and on, there are plenty of examples where forcing someone can and is in their best interest.
Then nobody is forced to get the vaccine lmfao.
And you're evading the conversation. You aren't forced to take the vaccine any more than you are forced to follow the law. It's crazy that you thik you're forced to take the vaccine, yet you seem to think following the law is a choice.
To be clear, the vaccine is not technically mandated in most places. In most situations, people can do a weekly COVID test in lieu of the vaccine, which is fair in my opinion. If people don't want to get vaccinated, that is their choice. They have an option to not get the vaccine, but they choose to cry over the fact that they have to get tested instead.
Because the test swab is sterilized in ethylene oxide so either they want they are putting their BS in your body. It is a scam.
@JackpotThree7s omg ok. Go ahead and be a conspiracy theorist.
Google it moron. They sterilize the test swabs in ethylene oxide. If you choose to put that up your nose like an idiot you deserve whatever you get and if you choose to take a toxic injection you deserve whatever you get from that too. I am done playing with retards such as yourself. I been living my life like normal for months. No mask and never getting the clotshot.
Whenever anybody goes against the mainstream narrative and presents facts all you can say is conspiracy theorist. Do you understand how dumb you are? You give no kind of valid argument just an insult that is used to try to discredit anyone who has been telling the truth about the government's lies since the 1960s.
@JackpotThree7s Do you understand how dumb you are? To even think that this entire global pandemic was some huge conspiracy to poison the entire world population is just completely ridiculous and unbelievably absurd. But go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. By the way, I've always wondered how comfortable all the unvaccinated people would REALLY be if we put thousands of them all in one room together... just sayin.
Nope everyone should have complete autonomy over their own body. At the end of the day people never came to the USA to be safer, but more free. That's what was supposed to distinguish us from the old world. These days, more of the same...
Fk no!!
You clowns haven’t figure this out?
That this is ain’t about health!
Bible warned us against the day of the rollout mark of the beast.
I’m still shocked the high numbers of extremely incompetent people. Who are all dunning-Krugers.
Yes, because stupid people need to be told what to do.
And most people are fucking stupid - this pandemic has shown it in ample amounts.
Then again I wish if the anti-vaxxers got a good taste of polio... oh wait, that was eradicated by vaccines...
the fact that we need one is absurd!
You would think that... but even people on their deathbed from this shit deny what is happening.
But that's what you get when you kill off science education. Good for the politicians tho - as they can just use this as leverage over fucktards.
that's a mixed bag.
Oh. So the rabies vaccine, which also does not give you immunity, is also not a vaccine? Then I say you don't take it if you get bittem by a stray animal.
I am vaccinated and don't support it because there are people who their doctors say that they are ineligible for it and they would have to be punished for something they have no control over. One person losing their livelihood over this crap is one too many.
I’m vaccinated, but I still feel like it should be people’s own choice whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I don’t support the vaccine mandate.
Vaccinated, and don't support it. It's more of a political tool than anything. We have it here, and who has to use it or not makes absolutely no sense. You can have a big mall who don't have to use it, and then a small restaurant just next to it who has to.
You're goddamned right I do.
Otherwise, 35% or so of the country would continue to put us at risk.
"My body, my choice". Yea, too bad you motherfuckers can't remember that when it comes to abortion.
For staff In hospitals, urgent care medical facilities, hospice, nursing homes, and anyplace else focused on providing moderate to intensive medical care - yes.
Do I think it should be mandatory to go pump iron or rent a book? Not really.
I am vaccinated because I wanted to get vaccinated. I can’t imagine forcing someone to get vaccinated if they don’t want to be. That’s extremely wrong. Your body your decision.
You do realize that dozens of vaccines are compulsory by law. Against nice diseases like dyphteria. Why don't people protest against those?
Oh, wait...
Why did i choose answer in question mandatory we humans are not evolved and developed to obey mandotory situations but humanlike creaters whom produced and developed by Orion star aliens in their laboratary they like to mandotated like animal becouse they dont have brain soo
I support no such thing; the vaccines in my country aren't good enough to warrant it.
The government has no right to force an injection on anyone, make anybody wear a mask and tell anybody they can't get an abortion. Health matters are not their business especially when they are lying to us about health as they do it.
Vaccine mandates are criminal. You don't mandate a leaky shot with serious side effects that doesn't prevent you from spreading a disease.
@shanesc30 oh, ok. We should probably install speed governors on your car when you go to work also. Speeding may lead to your death.
Anything mandated or forced it’s pure evil but we have to accept evil to live that’s why evil backwards is live!
I support. Getting vaccinated but a mandate is illegal and unconstitutional. If our legislature was balanced, mandates would be banned.
Yes, why should other people die because of a small percents stupidity
Yes.. www.cdc.gov/.../fully-vaccinated-people.html
It cuts the rate of transmission in the delta variant and also reduces extreme symptoms if you do end up getting covid
Are women insane?
It's against the law! And the medicine is ineffective! It does not work!
What good is it?
Not vaccinating means you're taking away the rights of others because you feel entitled to your fear and ignorance.
You are a fucking moron
I think it's inappropriate to mandate that people have the jab and demonstrates a failure in imagination that they feel they need to.
No. I'm sick of these damn mandates. Forcing people into a medical procedure is crossing a line.
B. Biden has no business telling people what they can and can not do with their bodies. Think about it, that ass hat favors abortion and claims to be a catholic.
@exitseven He's one and done, and hopefully is useless VP is too.
@exitseven So true.
I'd strongly support it. At the very least it should be mandated for all kinds of jobs, especially anything related to the medical field, but also any job that includes close contact with many people.
I'm vaccinated and I support vaccine mandates. Maybe what we need to do is scrap the constitution as it's impeding us from applying force against those who are refusing to take it.
No, no one should be forced to inject some foreign substance into their body. It should be optional. Mask mandate ok fine but vaccine no!
i support giving people free choice and letting natural selection pick the survivers that were right about their choice...
Problem is, that this may cost the life of those who can't have the vaccine...
I know, that's also natural selection, but seriously..
@FireFox001 that's an idiotic argument. Im not blaming you or attacking you personally to make this argument. I know you just heard it in the media somewhere and appeals to empathy and makes it easy to frame everyone who doesn't agree as asshole who has no empathy. So I'm not calling you an idiot. I just think that this argument you borrowed isn't good.
And I'm by no means trying to get the poor people who can't get the vaccine killed. But truth is, those peoples live is in severe danger already. They have to live with that danger daily.
Let me just ask you this question, to get you to reflect on the argument that you just made: why do we not force people to get flu shots to protect those people you just talked about? Why do you not take every possible vaccine in existence to protect that group of people?
I see this as a shocking trend in politics. For legitimation of political decision, we look for tiny minorities and construct a case in which they are harmed if we don't do what the politics decided.
If your immune system is so weak, that you can't take a vaccine, you must change your life in such a way that you can survive. We can not change the entire society for them.
And just as the final nail in the coffin of your argument: this vaccine does not at all prevent or reduce the chance of the vaccines person infecting others. It protects only the vaccined person. So rip that argument. Hope you help killing this idiotic arguments so that others stop making it.
... by protecting you from getting harsher symptoms, you are offloading yourself from the strained medical system = less covid beds = other diseases can be treated.
Flu is a bit different, as the average infectivity and mortality rate is way less. Furthermore, if you get infected, the need for intensive care is marginal compared to covid cases.
Last, but not least: the vaccine protects most people from even catching the disease. So my argument for the greater good stands.
@FireFox001 ok, those arguments are a little bit better than the last one.
"by protecting you from getting harsher symptoms, you are offloading yourself from the strained medical system = less covid beds = other diseases can be treated." that's the fairest point for the vaccine that there is. though if you wanna "force" people to get a vaccine so they "offload the strained medical system", then you HAVE to consider the following: covid cases are a extremely minor strain on the medical industry. it can be a bit challenging around the flu wave but it always is. every year the flu wave brings the medical system (in some countries) to max of it's capacity. so then IF you want to force people to "offload" the medical system, why not start with the biggest strain to the medical system instead? like people being hospitalized for nutrition based health issues like obesity and diabetes. or like cancer problems of smokers. those people are actively taking a crap on their own health to end up being a drain that jeopardizes the health systems integrity to help those that got in medical need innocently... those are people who end up in hospital because of "their free choice". and those are a very big number of people compared to covid hospitalizations. so if you wanna take the freedom of choice away from people, why not start where it actually makes a big difference?
the mortality rate of flu is exactly the same as covid. that has been proven and even published by the WHO. the danger in this disease is it's high infectiousness, so it spreads very fast. the individual risk to need intensive care or die is in fact very much the same as the flu.
the vaccine reduces your individual risk of having a severe case. it does not reduce your chance to carry and spread the infection. it only reduces your risk of being effected negatively. so no, the greater good argument does not stand.
i think it's ironic that we let people "live they wanna live" when it comes to nutrition, even though forcing them to have better nutrition would improve their health and themedical systems load significantly.
but we are ready to force people to take a vaccine that can definitely harm them...
If i want to take it, i will. I dont need the government to force me
Yes, our CEO said "I'm comfortable with the fallout", couldn't have said it better.
Nope!!!
There are numerous reasons not to get vaccinated.
I oppose vaccine mandate because I strongly believe a person should consult with their doctor to decide if the Covid vaccine is right for them.
How are we still forcing people to do shit in this day and age? Get that shit out of here.
I am vaccinated but I don't want to force anyone to get it.
Dumb Idea, I has just been shot down by the 5th Circuit Court
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sZrhDwpi_9Y
I am vaccinated, and i absolutely do not support it.
I got Covid before there was a vaccine so I'm covered. And then no the mandate is unconstitutional.
I support it as a public health issue. We have the same “mandates” for showering and being clean. It’s just not politicized.
I'm treating it like a necessary evil like the small pox, measles, etc. vaccines kids have to take to go to school.
Unconstitutional edicts are not a necessary evil. They're just evil.
I don't think people should be mandated.
If you want the shot, take it.
Whoever is for mandating vaccination should be deported to Russia, China or north Korea. They'll love being there.
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