Whom do you think would have handled Ukraine crisis better... Trump or Biden?

[normandi]

Would trump done a better job or Biden

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+1 y

Biden so far not showing real leadership and assertion

[normalice]

Trump helped cause the crisis by being soft on Russia, by extorting Ukraine by denying them military aid unless they helped him win re election, and by obstructing the transition to the new administration. Indeed, the whole GOP had a hand in that. Biden has managed to reunite NATO and, some extent, and got a substantial chunk of the GOP to remember that Rusdia is not an ally.

Now it's also true that any time anyone ever stands up to bullies it requires sacrafice, and the more people who participate, the less sacrafice for each person. Biden will definitely not be able to get those Republican voters who want a crisis to sacrafice even so much as paying for a yellow ribbon, whereas trump would have forced everyone to sacrafice more than necissary with no concern over whether or not it resulted in more civil unrest - but that presumes trump would have done anything at all against Putin, instead of joining him.

[Avicenna]

You're not even any good at propaganda, despite all your efforts. Time to do something about these voices in your head.

[normandi]

So u think Biden is better
The problem is that Biden doesn't display the image of strong assertive leader

[normalice]

No one is fooled by "the image of a strong assertive leader," least of all the former leader of the KGB.

[Slingblade1126]

Jesus Christ! Just admit you're a right winger trolling stupid liberals. You don't fool me!

[normalice]

Huh?

[Slingblade1126]

A Liberal isn't that misinformed and stupid to believe the crap you spew! I read the things you post and I'm convinced you're a poser. You're probably farther right than Tucker Carlson.

[normalice]

No you're not 😅

[Slingblade1126]

After that reply, I now realize you're just insane.

[normalice]

No you don't 😊

[DWornock]

It wouldn't matter because, contrary to appearence, the president doesn't make those decisions. The president will obey our masters that allow him to be in office. And, that is not limited to the president; it includes congress and governors. That is why, although they talk a different talk to get elected, once in office, the democrats and republicans vote alike. There a few for hot button issues such as abortion and flag burning where they dont vote the same. However, those issures don't matter to our trillion aire masters; probably the international bankers that own the federal reserve and other central banks.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

It'll seem crude but Trump can & will appeal to Putin's better judgement.
Biden, assuming he and his staff finally get the correct intel, might not necessarily understand what they're looking at.

[normandi]

So you agree with trump when he says sleepy Joe?

[DeeDeeDeVour]

I don't need Trump to describe Biden as 'Sleepy Joe' but, yes, I agree with a vast majority that our current "President" doesn't seem to have a grasp of his reality.

[normandi]

That is heavy

[Agape93]

Lmao neither. Trump was friends with putin by his own admission and Biden has the backbone of jellyfish. I could do a better damn job.

[normandi]

Backbone of a jelly fish... that is Original

[Agape93]

And correct

[OlderAndWiser]

Trump could not do worse than Biden ont his issue, and he probably wuld have responded more forcefully.

[normandi]

May forcefully but with mayhem

[OlderAndWiser]

Not as much mayhem as Biden's Afghanistan!

[normandi]

Got a point there

[Lionman95]

No because Trump is an admirer of Putin he would just talk with Putin.
Putin he doesn't need to fear the US in terms of the Ukraine anyways.
Because the US entering the war at the side of the Ukraine is vastly unpopular Putin keeps doing whatever he plans.

[normandi]

Not clear

[Anonymous]

If Trump was the president, we wouldn't even be talking about this. I just watched Biden's speech, and he was too cowardly/feeble-minded to take questions from the media. This guy is seriously just a puppet. I don't know who's pulling his strings, but it's obvious that head is filled with Jell-O.

[normandi]

Give the guy a break

[Opinion Owner]

Guy?

[normandi]

Yeah Guy... why

[Opinion Owner]

The My Pillow guy?

[Anonymous]

It wouldn’t have happened with Trump in office. Not because Trump is some big, scary guy that Putin doesn’t want to cross or anything.
He’s not interested in making Trump look bad. Otherwise Trump
may have started trusting his own intelligence over Putins word.
Why would Putin want that?

[ChrisMaster69]

Neither

although it would have been dark humour funny with Corby as prime minister and Trump as president.

two people who hated each other but both grovelling to their Russian task master

[normandi]

Come on😜

[Avicenna]

Right now, every indication is that it's been blown way out of proportion, so sure Trump would have been better, but keep in mind that the State Department and the military-industrial complex is the same pit of vipers no matter who is President.

[normandi]

Agree

[WhiteSteve]

Trump had this very weird submissive reverence to Putin. I feel like this would’ve been super weird under Trump, haha

[normandi]

Dono

[exitseven]

Trump no question. If he was president it never would have got to this point.

[normandi]

What would he have done?

[exitseven]

He would have put real sanctions on Russia and he would have done it a couple of weeks ago. Also if he was still president we would be still energy independent and would be exporting oil to Germany and other allies.

[normandi]

Good points

[Waldoe]

Trump... he understands "Peace through Strength"... Biden believes in "begging and pleading"

[normandi]

True but irrelevant

[Waldoe]

the choice was between Trump or biteone... sorry that Logic is irrelevant to you, you are just looking for peopel that hold the sae opinion as you... maybe you should just Talk To Yourself

[WhiteBoyChill]

There would have been no Ukraine crisis if Trump were still President

[normandi]

Explain

[WhiteBoyChill]

Russia would not have felt emboldened by witnessing American weakness in Afghanistan

[normandi]

Good point

[Citizenkirk]

Hard too say. Trump probably, because him and Putin are on such good terms. Than again, Trump is known for overlooking Putin's many indiscretions.

[Anonymous]

Hmm biden or trump?
As a non-american I don't like either of them and just want to make an unbiased comment; I think uncle trump has a more ambitious and determined nature than uncle biden.

[normandi]

Uncle?

[Opinion Owner]

they are older. and it's a address.

[UsernameXLTX]

Define what is better. What is the ideal outcome to say "better". From the looks of things , Biden wants Russian to invade Ukraine. It's all he's been saying the last 2 weeks.

[normandi]

Better to halt the invasion

[XXblack88]

We wouldn't be were we are if Trump was still in office

[normandi]

True but may be in worse

[XXblack88]

I doubt it

[joeldalton]

It’s hard to imagine someone handling it worse than Biden.

[normandi]

May be Carter😁

[Anonymous]

Putin waited until trump was out of office because he was too unpredictable

[normandi]

Lots of truth in that

[888theGreat]

We know , Trump. Putin wanted all this in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

[Anonymous]

lets think about this when trump was president was russia invading ukraine? NO.. since biden's president has russia invaded ukraine? YES

[normandi]

U vote for trump

[Opinion Owner]

look at the facts logically both past and present actions did russia invade ukraine when trump was president no did russia invade ukraine when biden is president yes

[normandi]

But during Trump there was no descion to add Ukraine to nato

[Opinion Owner]

look do yourself a favor and get your head out of the whining liberal democrats ass and quit being so brainwashed and look at the hard facts stuff i said in my last two statements. if you want to continue being a brainwashed psychopath then that's entirely up to you but i'm through talking about this nonsense. keep believing what mainstream shit soro media will tell you and see how far it will get you

[Anonymous]

The answer would be Not Biden. This has been going on for years, though. It didn’t just start in 2021. Russia has been trying to expand for decades.

[normandi]

I don't think it is a desire to expand as much as fear of Ukraine joining Nato

[Opinion Owner]

I didn’t even think of that. That’s possible too. Is Putin actually afraid of NATO though? I assumed he was intimidating the EU with the takeover of Ukraine.

[normandi]

When Ukraine joins.. Nato will station some weapons there and that is a putin red line

[MCheetah]

The Trump administration.

[josephinelcajon]

It would have never happened under Trump

[normandi]

Why?

[josephinelcajon]

Trump is a businessman he makes deals big deals by being firm but friendly. Knowing this balance is an art! Trump has had a lot of success and failures doing this. Biden provoked and deliberately escalated this by saying Putin was going to invade. In reality Putin put a show of force on every year there and this year was just another year until Biden started provoking Putin. Biden lied about Putin's plans. Putin then had to respond to fix the image Biden put out. It's a long-complicated mess deliberately created by Biden.

[normandi]

May be created by Biden but I am not sure it is deliberatel

[FunkyMonkee]

He sure as fuck would have!!

[normandi]

Who?
...

[tartaarsaus]

Biden handled it perfectly fine tbh.

[normandi]

I wouldn't be this sure at this stage

[tartaarsaus]

Why not?

Clearly, military action is out of the equation from the beginning, which leaves sanctions and deploying to NATO allies. So deploying to NATO allies, went perfectly fine. And the sanctions themselves need to be coordinated with allies and consider domestic interests, which will also lead to strong sanctions. For example, Italy will still need go import nearly 50% of its gas from Russia, which won’t happen if Russia is kicked off SWIFT. And no, you cannot source this much elsewhere.

Meanwhile, on the diplomacy side of things and constantly exposing plans of Russia, that went perfectly fine as well.

Because thenUSA cannot commit to military action and finite sanctions (because you have allies to consider as well), they never get to decide whether Russia invades or not.

[tartaarsaus]

No sane American president would have gone further than economic sanctions, to be entirely frank.

[normandi]

Trump would have

[tartaarsaus]

And that would have been utterly stupid

[tartaarsaus]

We can point to North Korea where Trump threatened with “fire and fury the world has never seen” to stop nuclear program, went on a few meetings with Kim Jong Un, while North Korea never even considered to denuclearize like Trump wanted him to.

And Russia is far more dangerous than North Korea

[KostasKouvalis]

Orange Man, 100%

[normandi]

What

[Pohjolan]

Trump objectively DID handle it better.

[normandi]

Nothing like this happened during Trump tenure

[Pohjolan]

Precisely.

[anylolone]

Well, this wasn't happening under trump.

[normandi]

But circumstances changed

[anylolone]

Yeah, the guy in the white house came back again as another putin's, Xi's, soros' and schwab's bitch.

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[Pterodon]

There wouldn’t have been a crisis under Trump

[jimmy2]

Trump a hell of a lot better

[normandi]

Proud boys?

[Godsvengeance]

Trump

[normandi]

Reasons being...

[Godsvengeance]

He was more respected as not being weak by Putin.

[JesseJayNeak]

Trump